Anonymous at Wed, 3 Jul 2024 04:03:44 UTC No. 16265393

They won't go for that one in the end.
The overwhelming majority of the evidence we now have establishes that this universe's constants are vastly, astronomically, inexpressibly too well-tuned to have ever occurred without intelligent intent.
(Basically, in trying to disprove God, atheists accidentally proved He exists.)
Since they can't accept this fact, because they hate God as much as satan does, they need to make up some kind of new theory to excuse the fine-tuning that could never have occurred by chance in a single universe.
So I suspect they will magically announce soon that Marvel Movies are right and that they have "evidence" of a multiverse.

Anonymous at Wed, 3 Jul 2024 04:32:51 UTC No. 16265430

>>16265382
No, if it were some programmed simulation, it would imply something more like many counsels of "gods" over various generations of simulation, not some immortal monotheistic singular creator.

Anonymous at Wed, 3 Jul 2024 04:36:45 UTC No. 16265433

>>16265430
at some point you have to reach the upper part of the simulation (GOD).

🗑️ Anonymous at Wed, 3 Jul 2024 04:37:42 UTC No. 16265435

>>16265393
>inexpressibly too well-tuned to have ever occurred without intelligent intent
>intent
That is a human-biased assumption lol. "Intention" is merely a chemical reaction in our brains. Who is to say god isn't just some similar finely tuned chemical reaction, on a cosmic scale.

Anonymous at Wed, 3 Jul 2024 04:43:56 UTC No. 16265449

>>16265433
No, simulations start at the higher application layer level and work down to the lower physical layers levels and computers aren't made by one person, it takes a literal army of people to make a computer and code the software.

Anonymous at Wed, 3 Jul 2024 04:49:54 UTC No. 16265455

>>16265393
>inexpressibly too well-tuned to have ever occurred without intelligent intent
>intelligent intent
That is a human-biased assumption lol. "Intelligence" and "intention" are merely chemical reactions in our brains. Who is to say god isn't just some similar finely tuned chemical reaction, maybe a massive cosmic computer of sorts. Certainly not what the bible describes, and certainly not personified.

Anonymous at Wed, 3 Jul 2024 04:55:55 UTC No. 16265464

>>16265455
> "Intelligence" and "intention" are merely chemical reactions in our brains.

NTA, but I don't buy the "determinism" arguments that a lot of linguists and Evo psych people make. One large reason for that is the fundamentals of the physics they use to justify this argument are happening at scales where we know for a fact there is stochastic indeterminism (small scale electrical charge propagation like the kinds in your nervous system involves quantum uncertainties, and the chemistry is certainly not deterministic in the thermodynamics outside of the very rare condition where the "local system" is in a thermodynamic equilibrium, which basically only happens when you're dead).

There's no reason to believe at all that our brains are these strictly deterministic chemical automata precisely because strict causal determinism in physical systems is a modeling convention rather than a reflection of material reality.

Anonymous at Wed, 3 Jul 2024 05:32:30 UTC No. 16265509

>>16265464
I wish I was smart enough to understand Einstein's hidden variables and Bell's theorem and shit, but I am a lowly biochemist. I guess I'll just watch a Veritasium video about it and call it a day

Anonymous at Wed, 3 Jul 2024 06:03:59 UTC No. 16265531

atheist= You is real but living in a simulation
buddhist= You is a simulation living in reality

Anonymous at Wed, 3 Jul 2024 06:13:00 UTC No. 16265538

>>16265509
dont worry about it, most of that shit is fraudulent
recent superconductor papers dont even use the four quantum numbers anymore, because theyre insufficient to describe the system
>it was very recently argued that a proper, realistic description of circuits driven via time-varying magnetic fields – an important means for addressing and manipulating superconducting quantum information hardware – requires going way beyond a simple lumped-element picture8

Anonymous at Wed, 3 Jul 2024 06:14:06 UTC No. 16265540

>>16265509
>Bell's theorem
for this you can watch all videos by alain aspect like https://youtu.be/JCfeEPTeSdA

for the hidden variables you can search for articles on arxiv like
https://arxiv.org/abs/1806.09958
https://arxiv.org/abs/quant-ph/0412011v1
https://arxiv.org/abs/2406.19426

there are tons of those

Anonymous at Wed, 3 Jul 2024 06:14:06 UTC No. 16265541

>>16265393
Is there any reason to believe the constants are tuned at all? Any reason to think they're variable in any capacity? Even pre-big bang?
No? Unwarranted assertion, then.

Anonymous at Wed, 3 Jul 2024 06:17:33 UTC No. 16265545

>>16265464
The future may be a fog, impenetrable and mostly unpredictable on larger timescales, but this doesn't mean you have free will. It only means you can't predict the exact future state form the exact now state, but your actions are still based off the chemicals inside your skull.

Anonymous at Wed, 3 Jul 2024 13:10:24 UTC No. 16265901

>>16265541
>Is there any reason to believe the constants are tuned at all?

Not for anyone using their brain, no. If constants didn't allow life no one would be there to talk about them so its obvious that in order to have this conversation at all, we had to be born in the universe that allows it. There was simply no other way.