Anonymous at Wed, 3 Jul 2024 13:02:33 UTC No. 16265893

crawl back to /pol/, thanks. mutations in genes have been observed everywhere

Anonymous at Wed, 3 Jul 2024 14:15:42 UTC No. 16265972

>>16265893
Yes you are correct. Mutations are observed after the fact or at the conclusion stage.

The fact is this phenomenon hasn’t been observed at the molecular level actually no one knows how this process works that’s why it’s called random…

We only know what we can observe not abstract shit people make up in their heads

Cope and seethe faggot

Anonymous at Wed, 3 Jul 2024 15:58:17 UTC No. 16266118

>wait till OP hears about horizontal transfer of transposable elements

Anonymous at Wed, 3 Jul 2024 17:00:26 UTC No. 16266190

>>16266118
>wait till OP hears about horizontal transfer of transposable elements

Says some random bullshit jargon that means dog shit

Cope and seethe

Anonymous at Wed, 3 Jul 2024 18:04:18 UTC No. 16266312

>hundreds of millions of years without evolving regardless massive environmental changes

Anonymous at Wed, 3 Jul 2024 18:09:51 UTC No. 16266318

Go get a genetic test with your mom and dad. In your case, it may have to be mom asd your uncle Bob, but you got the idea.
You will share about half of your genome with your mom, half with your dad, but some of it will be unique to you, changed form either your mom or your dads.
This is the core of random mutation, and we have observed it. Now, back to >>>/pol/

Anonymous at Wed, 3 Jul 2024 18:22:50 UTC No. 16266334

>>16265893
>>16266318
Mutations only scramble information already present, it doesn't create new information, and it certainly doesn't create new good information.

Also, crying /pol/ repeatedly is pathetic. Maybe you should leave /sci/ since you have no informed scientific arguments to make.

Anonymous at Wed, 3 Jul 2024 18:25:20 UTC No. 16266338

>>16266334
We have bacteria that evolved to be able to digest nylon. Was nylon digestion somehow already present in nature before they evolved it? No.
Do you have any reasoning or statistical models to show your proposed "limits of evolution?" No.
Are you asserting things with no evidence so you can keep denying reality? Yes.

If you're going to reply to this post, reply to the first point. Talk about the novel nylon digestion.

Anonymous at Wed, 3 Jul 2024 18:26:37 UTC No. 16266340

>>16265845
>Where does this random mutations happen?
I don't understand. Do you not believe in DNA? What do you think DNA is? How is it made? Why not go into the trades and fuck off /sci/ you absolute retard?

Anonymous at Wed, 3 Jul 2024 18:45:54 UTC No. 16266361

>>16266190
>wait until OP hears about RNA-primed Okazaki fragments

Anonymous at Wed, 3 Jul 2024 18:58:18 UTC No. 16266377

>>16266361
Your a funny guy.

Anonymous at Thu, 4 Jul 2024 07:03:34 UTC No. 16267334

>>16266334
the people who constantly screech about /pol/ are the ones who are obsessed with politics and couldn't care less about science, they leap to the erroneous conclusion that everyone else is just like themselves and then just that misjudgment to justify incessantly screeching about /pol/

Anonymous at Thu, 4 Jul 2024 07:13:00 UTC No. 16267342

>>16265845
The Long-Term Evolution Experiment has been going on since 1988 and has over 75000 generations of bacteria. They've measured a mutation every 50 or so generations, and one of the lines even unexpectedly evolved the ability to consume citrate, which demonstrates the remarkable ability of this bacteria to adapt to its environment via random mutation.

Anonymous at Thu, 4 Jul 2024 07:18:38 UTC No. 16267347

>>16265845
>randomness isn't real
you are one dumb mutherfucker. how could you ever hope to understand anything?

Anonymous at Thu, 4 Jul 2024 07:21:19 UTC No. 16267349

>>16266334
>Mutations only scramble information already present
According to whom?
A mutation can absolutely, 100% add information. Sections of DNA can be duplicated (and these duplicates can then mutate further, independently of each other), or more base pairs might be added before a stop codon (adding new amino acids to the resulting protein).

Anonymous at Thu, 4 Jul 2024 07:29:09 UTC No. 16267351

>>16265845
>Can you show me in real time this process beginning?
Sure.

Anonymous at Thu, 4 Jul 2024 07:29:12 UTC No. 16267352

>>16265845
>Where does this random mutations happen?
right in the DNA.
>how does it happen?
f'n cosmic radiation and chemicals n shit.
>Can you show me in real time this process beginning?
go get MRSA and take an antibiotic until it stops working.

Anonymous at Thu, 4 Jul 2024 07:42:48 UTC No. 16267361

>>16266334
>Mutations only scramble information already present, it doesn't create new information
I see you never took a first year genetics class

Anonymous at Thu, 4 Jul 2024 08:02:42 UTC No. 16267376

>>16266312
>without evolving
anon thinks evolution is only morphological

Anonymous at Thu, 4 Jul 2024 08:55:07 UTC No. 16267396

>>16266318
What method are you using to interpret the unique genetic signature of individuals as "random mutations"?

>>16267349
Most mutations are deleterious to an organism. You can randomly alter the genetics of an organism only so much before it dies and it doesn't gain any new abilities in the process. I think the geneticist Shapiro talks about this, but it is common knowledge. Although it is probably less common to umdergrads who are just taught the principal and not really encouraged to do much more. >>16267352
>>16267361

Anonymous at Thu, 4 Jul 2024 09:28:07 UTC No. 16267416

>>16267396
>You can randomly alter the genetics of an organism only so much before it dies
Unless those mutations are accumulated over generations so that the deleterious ones are pruned
>and it doesn't gain any new abilities in the process
Sure it can. A single mutation is responsible for immunity to bufotoxins in asian monitor lizards which Australian monitor lack and the nylon eating bacteria have already been mentioned. There’s plenty of examples if you look for them

Anonymous at Thu, 4 Jul 2024 09:52:14 UTC No. 16267426

So, this site is basically a hellsite for retards more or less?

Anonymous at Thu, 4 Jul 2024 10:02:03 UTC No. 16267432

>>16267334
>the people who constantly screech about /pol/ are the ones
Stopped reading there Ivan

🗑️ Anonymous at Thu, 4 Jul 2024 10:24:18 UTC No. 16267440

>>16267432
I'm trans btw

sage at Thu, 4 Jul 2024 10:51:27 UTC No. 16267459

>>16267426
Yeah. Don't even try to fix it, you will waste your time, energy and intelligence.

Anonymous at Thu, 4 Jul 2024 11:50:53 UTC No. 16267495

>>16267459
Ok namefags and other anons, this is OP I admit I was wrong and used improper context of evolution and didn’t contextualize my point.

Anonymous at Thu, 4 Jul 2024 15:40:37 UTC No. 16267701

>>16267351
so there was an an entirely new genetic sequence formed at the end of this that is then able to replicate with that sequence? I can't find anything claiming that this experiment did this.

Surely you have the proof of your claim that has been peer reviewed with other scientists also performing the experiment that reached the exact same conclusions

you have this data right? anon?

Stop guessing start learning at Thu, 4 Jul 2024 15:47:49 UTC No. 16267706

>>16267701
They never have data they just regurgitate con artist jargon. To say “ look I’m smarter and more knowledgeable than you. Wow I have such great memory”

Anonymous at Thu, 4 Jul 2024 15:56:20 UTC No. 16267715

>>16265845
>Where does this random mutations happen?
In the DNA

>how does it happen?
Nothing is perfect and sometimes the DNA fails to accurately replicate itself

>Can you show me in real time this process beginning?
https://youtu.be/Vi38IqxkW68?si=xUytvwx4JPL9VogT

Stop guessing start learning at Thu, 4 Jul 2024 16:13:25 UTC No. 16267735

>>16267715
Wow you are so smart!!! we already went over this faggot.

Anonymous at Thu, 4 Jul 2024 20:51:44 UTC No. 16268072

>>16267735
Interesting. You don't want to amass understanding but also don't want anyone else to understand more than you: you're a thought-communist.

Anonymous at Thu, 4 Jul 2024 22:10:23 UTC No. 16268153

>>16267701
>so there was an an entirely new genetic sequence formed at the end of this that is then able to replicate with that sequence?
Yes.
>you have this data right?
The source was already in the video: https://doi.org/10.1126/science.aad3292

Anonymous at Thu, 4 Jul 2024 22:28:07 UTC No. 16268177

>>16267396
>What method are you using to interpret the unique genetic signature of individuals as "random mutations"?
Do you have any response to the nylon-eating bacteria as I mentioned in >>16266338
If it was not random, why did more related bacteria not evolve it themselves? Why does only this one species and its decedents have it?

Anonymous at Thu, 4 Jul 2024 22:41:49 UTC No. 16268181

>>16267396
>Most mutations are deleterious to an organism
Correct.
>You can randomly alter the genetics of an organism only so much before it dies
Also correct.
>and it doesn't gain any new abilities in the process
Incorrect.

Anonymous at Thu, 4 Jul 2024 22:48:53 UTC No. 16268189

>>16265845
Evolution has problems with combinatorics.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yrY_CEGpZCQ

Stop guessing start learning at Thu, 4 Jul 2024 22:52:49 UTC No. 16268192

>>16268072
Naw I just like trolling honestly these debates help me learn and everyone else too we sharpen each other.

Anonymous at Thu, 4 Jul 2024 22:54:31 UTC No. 16268193

>>16268189
>Consciousness as a quantum computer would be critical to the evolution of the species. Your choices and thoughts are the evolution of your body and by extension the human species
lol. lmao. Imagine believing not only in Lamarckism, but this weird pseudo-spiritual form of it.

Anonymous at Thu, 4 Jul 2024 23:36:21 UTC No. 16268234

>>16268189
>>16268193
If you're ever talking about anything except for quantum physics and someone brings up quantum physics, you're out in the weeds.

Anonymous at Thu, 4 Jul 2024 23:36:57 UTC No. 16268236

>>16265845
>Where does this random mutations happen?
these
(yep, you're retarded, and he is not)
in genome they happen, and it was demonstrated, but you were too stupid to look it up or to comprehend if you would.

Stop guessing start learning at Thu, 4 Jul 2024 23:38:21 UTC No. 16268238

>>16268234
I agree with these 2 shitheads. Anon you don goofed. Das right

🗑️ Anonymous at Thu, 4 Jul 2024 23:40:44 UTC No. 16268241

>>16266318
>back to >>>/pol/
you're fucking tiresome, nigger, it has nothing to do with politics, but you made me make it to.

Stop guessing start learning at Thu, 4 Jul 2024 23:42:55 UTC No. 16268243

>>16268236
Hmm that’s my fault for not elaborating further. I mean we exactly know where it happens but how does it happen and the characteristic changes cannot be random. Because In biological mimicry the species mimics the environment expressive In their colors sounds etc.

Anonymous at Thu, 4 Jul 2024 23:47:43 UTC No. 16268250

>>16265845
>How did species evolve?
>random mutations
And fucking. Fucking forgot about you, but don't you forget about fucking.

Anonymous at Thu, 4 Jul 2024 23:49:06 UTC No. 16268253

>>16268243
>the species mimics the environment
What environment do you mimic? Some species mimic their environment, but considering how many there are, some of them had to (especially because it helps with survival for obvious reasons)

Anonymous at Thu, 4 Jul 2024 23:50:07 UTC No. 16268255

>>16268250
that was some fucked-up movie

Cult of Passion at Fri, 5 Jul 2024 04:18:11 UTC No. 16268457

>>16266190
>random bullshit jargon
lmfao

CLAP
>CLAP

Anonymous at Fri, 5 Jul 2024 06:16:06 UTC No. 16268579

>>16268189
>The show that tells you: you are a quantum computer with free will

Anonymous at Fri, 5 Jul 2024 06:19:20 UTC No. 16268583

>>16268250
>And fucking. Fucking forgot about you, but don't you forget about fucking.
yes

Anonymous at Fri, 5 Jul 2024 20:21:43 UTC No. 16269425

Anonymous at Fri, 5 Jul 2024 23:15:35 UTC No. 16269667

>>16266318
this isnt random mutation this is genetic crossing over of the gamete genetic material during meiosis and random assortment of alleles after fertilization. random mutations are actual shifts in the sequence of nucleotides

>>16266334
the mutations aren't random, only to us they are. but the environment allows for a syntropic effect where the genetic material is self organizing into morphological structures that are better suited for the organism

Anonymous at Sat, 6 Jul 2024 04:21:43 UTC No. 16269951

I believe in evolution but the random mutation shit is the most brainlet cope possible. that's the most retarded shit I've heard in high school. brainlets believe in it because it's easy and can explain everything without much effort. muh randomness create everything.

Anonymous at Sat, 6 Jul 2024 04:48:55 UTC No. 16269970

>>16269951
Okay, how do mutations work then

Anonymous at Sat, 6 Jul 2024 15:35:55 UTC No. 16270397

>>16269970
not that anon, but i’m this one >>16269667

we are only just moving into this territory where we may form new models of mutation. we have the evidence that shows us they’re not as random as was once thought, but don’t have a sophisticated enough understanding that explains definitively what is happening (yet)

Anonymous at Sat, 6 Jul 2024 15:44:49 UTC No. 16270402

>>16270397
So you think we're in the period that preceded us understanding evolution itself but for mutations where we're so im the dark we don't even know how wrong we are yet?

Anonymous at Sat, 6 Jul 2024 15:52:52 UTC No. 16270412

all of you guys who are aqrgueing with people who completely believe the current religion of science will never get anywhere with them. These people have been pyuschologically conditioned their entire lives to propagate a very specific narrative designed to ensure the masses are placated while not digging any deeper than certain people want them to.

The is a scientific fact by the way. There's nothing to argue with me about. Don't waste your time on NPCs who think evolution or creationism is real. They aren't worth your time

Anonymous at Sat, 6 Jul 2024 15:56:33 UTC No. 16270413

>>16270402
mostly. it’s not like our understanding of evolution will be shattered, we will just have an additional component to consider: the biophysics of neg-entropic/syntropy. it’s not that life is just randomly mutating into forms that are chosen by natural selection, life is actually self organizing into morphologies that are better suited for the environment in a kind of neo-lamarckian fashion. the forces exerted on the organism by the environment mold it, just as a plant’s growth is sculpted by the pressures exerted on it

Anonymous at Sat, 6 Jul 2024 16:03:01 UTC No. 16270418

>>16270412
I agree

Anyone who thinks ai does everything is nuts

Is people using ai and ai has agendas who are far fetched and way crazier