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Anonymous at Thu, 4 Jul 2024 23:56:01 UTC No. 16268260
>if you put 1 germ that divides itself in a jar, and then each copies also divides itself, you will fill that jar in one hour
>If you have two separate jars with one germ each, you will have two jars filled, which is 200% in one hour
>But if you put two germs in one jar, you will fill one jar in 59 minutes, saving only 1 minute
>If one extra minute passed, and there was enough space in the jar, you would have the equivalent of 59 minutes of these germens twice, but not twice the equivalent of 60 minutes which represents 200%
Why.
I am dumb, I know
Anonymous at Fri, 5 Jul 2024 01:34:59 UTC No. 16268322
>>16268260
>Why.
I too am dumb.
My 'Greek Philosopher'-tier hypothesis is the germs must go through something similar to the 1 monk can carry 2 buckets of water, but 3 monks will only carry 1 bucket of water.
The germ is entirely and completely efficient in its' task so long as it is by itself, but with the addition of a second germ may bring some added efficiency it also presents the opportunity for inter-personal drama. The germ essentially now has spare time, another germ to distract itself with, etc.. Perhaps some time is spent playing or having sex or arguing about oats.
Anonymous at Fri, 5 Jul 2024 01:40:32 UTC No. 16268327
>>16268260
First jar runs out of resources. If you poured the second jar resources into the first jar, then they would be equivalent if you started with 2 jews in one jar instead of just one in each.
Anonymous at Fri, 5 Jul 2024 03:41:04 UTC No. 16268411
>>16268260
I am OP and I just noticed that I forgot to mention this, that each germ will divide every minute.
Starting with one takes 60minutes to fill the jar.
Starting with two takes 59minutes.
Anonymous at Fri, 5 Jul 2024 03:55:49 UTC No. 16268426
>>16268260
2 germs in 1 jar = 1 germ in 1 jar given 1 minute
So you shave off a minute, skipping the first step
Anonymous at Fri, 5 Jul 2024 05:06:40 UTC No. 16268509
>>16268260
assuming that germs population kinetics is simple, and there are no lag/log phases. the number of germs after some time passes is n*2^c, where n is starting number and c is number of cell cycles. taking teo bacteria and 59 cycles gives 2*2^59 which is the same as 1*2^60, and if you add one more cycle you get those "200%". But fyi, microbial growth goes through different phases, and cells feeling the presence of their kin, lack of space or food, will slow down. Startinf conditions also matter as cultures inoculated with cells at different phases will start off at different rates
Anonymous at Fri, 5 Jul 2024 05:19:20 UTC No. 16268529
>>16268260
Exponential growth.
Look up the formula for it and put it in a graphing calculator (desmos or something). Play around with the numbers.
Here's an example with a and r both set to 1. a represents the initial number, in this case 1 for 1 germ.
Anonymous at Fri, 5 Jul 2024 05:25:10 UTC No. 16268540
>>16268260
>If one extra minute passed, and there was enough space in the jar, you would have the equivalent of 59 minutes of these germens twice, but not twice the equivalent of 60 minutes which represents 200%
????
>If one extra minute passed
So 60min?
>but not twice the equivalent of 60 minutes which represents 200%
You would.
I don't get what you mean. Maybe you explained something wrong. That being said I understand usual confusion with this and the answer is that with one germ the jar is half full at 59 minutes.
Vegan at Fri, 5 Jul 2024 19:36:27 UTC No. 16269374
>>16268411
>>16268260
>>16268260
>you would have the equivalent of 59 minutes of these germens twice, but not twice the equivalent of 60 minutes which represents 200%
Wrong. You would indeed have "59 minutes of these germans twice" as you said. "59 minutes of these germans" (two starting germans) is 2x2^59 (aka 2^60). "59 minutes of these germans twice" is then 2x2^59x2 (aka 2^61)
Where you are wrong is to say that its not equivilent of "60 monutes which represents 200%" but it is.
Start with two germans, wait 60 min = 2^61
Start with two jars, one german each, wait 60min =2^60 per jar =2^61 total
Start with one, wait 60 min =2^60, and 200% of that is 2^60x2 aka 2^61
>I am dumb, I know
yeah, at least you are trying to fix that
Anonymous at Fri, 5 Jul 2024 20:26:50 UTC No. 16269433
>>16268426
Sounds like the answer.
Anonymous at Fri, 5 Jul 2024 20:47:59 UTC No. 16269483
>>16268411
you are missing the fact that at 59 minutes a jar is only half full.
Anonymous at Fri, 5 Jul 2024 22:06:52 UTC No. 16269582
>>16268426
>>16269374
>>16269483
Thx. Know I fully get it