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Anonymous at Sun, 7 Jul 2024 10:04:31 UTC No. 16271314
Why the fuck aren't we sending rovers to every moon in the solar system RIGHT NOW?!
Anonymous at Sun, 7 Jul 2024 11:43:57 UTC No. 16271382
why? for some pretty pictures?
Anonymous at Sun, 7 Jul 2024 11:46:37 UTC No. 16271383
Because the moon environments are hostile to rovers.
Anonymous at Sun, 7 Jul 2024 11:50:42 UTC No. 16271387
>>16271314
Cover the expenses, and the scientists would.
Anonymous at Sun, 7 Jul 2024 11:53:40 UTC No. 16271389
>>16271314
>Why the fuck aren't we sending rovers to every moon in the solar system RIGHT NOW?!
Politics
>>>/pol/
Anonymous at Sun, 7 Jul 2024 11:58:53 UTC No. 16271391
>>16271314
Because there's no money in that.
>just use public money
Everybody wants to use public money for their own thing that they personally thing is more important than all of the other things that other people want to use that money for. The process of sorting out and prioritizing these proposals is called "politics". You don't get your money for rovers to every moon in the solar system because you lack political power.
I hope this answers your question.
Anonymous at Sun, 7 Jul 2024 12:12:45 UTC No. 16271396
>>16271314
NASA has specialized in extremely custom and complex machines since it's inception. Their engineering design is based on 2 constraints: mass and volume. Using the JWST as an example, it needed to be about 6 tons to launch on the Ariane 5, plus the lenses needed to be folded to fit in the fairing. With those constraints, it ended up being around half the area and 20x over the original budget, launching 30 years after development began.
Using a rover as an example, Perseverance was machined out of one piece of aluminum. We're talking something the size of a small car, mass optimized down to the microgram.
These constraints have recently changed, but NASA is a slow moving bureaucracy so they're still operating as though the falcon never landed. Once Starship is up and running for a decade and most of NASA and aerospace in general is made up of SpaceX and former SpaceX, they'll shift to general probes with simple heavy designs and cheap stock parts. You could see every body in the solar system visited for the cost of one Mars rover. It's just around the corner.
Anonymous at Sun, 7 Jul 2024 12:17:04 UTC No. 16271399
>>16271314
Tbh we should have an orbiter around Uranus and Neptune. Seems llike nobody cares about exploring those two.
At least in comparison to Jupiter and Saturn.
Anonymous at Sun, 7 Jul 2024 12:18:59 UTC No. 16271400
>>16271314
Hedonism and Babysitting sub 80 IQ subhumans are more important.
We took the final decision on this issue long ago.
Anonymous at Sun, 7 Jul 2024 12:48:11 UTC No. 16271428
>>16271387
Fix cancer and hunger and we will have spare money, is not like big pharma or transgenic research for food doesn't pay well enough
sage at Sun, 7 Jul 2024 13:00:44 UTC No. 16271437
>>16271314
Because capitalism. It's more important to build a shitty new ishit 19+ and it's more important for our best brains to think about how we can shit on internet users even more.
Fuck capitalism.
>>16271382
>He thinks the rovers are only equipped with a camera and don't carry tons of measuring equipment.
Ladies and gentlemen, the future of America
Anonymous at Sun, 7 Jul 2024 14:15:16 UTC No. 16271496
>>16271437
>tons of measuring equipment.
>"It is currently 8:30 am on Ganymede. The temperature is 100 K and the floor is made out of rock. Enjoy!" t. rover
Yeah thanks. I really needed to know that.
Anonymous at Sun, 7 Jul 2024 14:44:32 UTC No. 16271521
>>16271389
>space research are wasted of money
Politicians are smart
Anonymous at Sun, 7 Jul 2024 14:51:46 UTC No. 16271524
>>16271496
You're a nigger. You have no drive to explore, learn and conquer. It's alright. Leave Europeans to colonise space while you continue to live in the Stone Age as the sun burns you to a crisp in 2 billion years.
Anonymous at Sun, 7 Jul 2024 20:22:17 UTC No. 16271885
Why waste budget to send shitty probes to a bunch of stupid airless rocks when you could use it to send good probes to cool ones like Europa and Titan.
Anonymous at Sun, 7 Jul 2024 21:41:01 UTC No. 16271996
>>16271428
I hope they do.
Anonymous at Sun, 7 Jul 2024 21:46:29 UTC No. 16272001
>>16271524
>he says while shitposting on 4chan when he could be out exploring or reading textbooks/research papers. you're nothing like the people you worship
Anonymous at Sun, 7 Jul 2024 21:54:03 UTC No. 16272015
>>16271314
There's nothing out there worthy of investigation.
>Wow, shiny rocks!
>Me get nobel prize!
Anonymous at Sun, 7 Jul 2024 22:11:32 UTC No. 16272051
>>16271314
Because we need to bomb ukraine and develop MKUltra mind control programs to turn the population into addicted, docile sheep
Anonymous at Sun, 7 Jul 2024 22:51:24 UTC No. 16272116
>>16271314
The competency crisis hit the space community earlier than elsewhere, beginning around 1980
Anonymous at Sun, 7 Jul 2024 23:37:47 UTC No. 16272176
>>16271382
yes. I'm in dire need for desktop wallpapers
Anonymous at Sun, 7 Jul 2024 23:42:48 UTC No. 16272182
>>16271382
of course
what other reason would i need?
Anonymous at Mon, 8 Jul 2024 01:11:55 UTC No. 16272288
>>16271314
just wait like 5 years (short timespan for rover missions) for starship, and now your mission is 100x cheaper since you aren't paying out the ass for mass autism
Anonymous at Mon, 8 Jul 2024 01:18:49 UTC No. 16272292
>>16271314
>>16271383
>>16271389
>>16271428
>>16271885
>>16272116
>>16272288
There are no aliens, physics ended in the 20th century, becoming greater than Kardashev 1 is impossible, colonizing outside the solar system is impossible. We will never discover new phenomenon or invent new technology
NASA doesn't want better telescopes and probes farther from earth because the blackpill would hit too hard to confirm aliens don't exist and humanity will never progress past the solar system cause it's impossible. There have been no new discoveries since the 20th century and there never will be, we already understood all of existence in the 20th century, there is no room for our understanding to expand and what our understanding tells us is humanity is gonna stagnate and be doomed
Anonymous at Mon, 8 Jul 2024 01:22:37 UTC No. 16272294
>>16272292
>new discoveries since the 20th century
there's a lot of ice on the south pole of the moon and graphene on the far side of the moon
Anonymous at Mon, 8 Jul 2024 01:36:54 UTC No. 16272303
>>16272294
Merely engineering problems
There will never ever be another fundamental expansion to our understanding of reality that will let us go outside the bounds of what we have known to be possible since the 20th century, theories of everything that is possible and all physics were already solved in the 20th century, every theory that hasn't been proven since the 20th century is BS
String theory, quantum mechanics, eternal inflation, CCC, supersymmetry, changing constants, parallel universes, fifth force, aliens, branes, m-theory, non-equilibrium thermodynamics, what came before the BB, hubble tension, higgs field, negative energy, casimir effect, chaos theory, consciousness, grand unified theory, telescopes, wolfram physics, closed timelike curves, universe's size, anti gravity, functional information, quantum gravity, plasma, time crystals, entanglement, quantum tunneling, AI, MOND, quantized inertia, ToE, fine tuning, quintessence, entropic gravity, wormholes, naked singularities, multiverse, holography, warp drives, solitons, particle colliders, QFT, etc. All of theoretical physics is a BS waste of time, there's NOTHING left to find or invent, we hit a brick wall, we'll never advance past Kardashev-1 (controlling the energy of a planet) period let alone survive cosmic events cause the Cosmological Constant gonna destroy everything
Anonymous at Mon, 8 Jul 2024 01:47:52 UTC No. 16272314
>>16271382
thats the same reason we sent the other ones so yeah.
Anonymous at Mon, 8 Jul 2024 02:01:16 UTC No. 16272332
>>16272303
we haven't cracked fusion yet
we haven't solved the hubble constant discrepancy
Anonymous at Mon, 8 Jul 2024 02:08:10 UTC No. 16272340
>>16272332
neither of those things are possible and never will be by the end of humanity's reign kek
Anonymous at Mon, 8 Jul 2024 02:23:38 UTC No. 16272362
>>16271314
you know the answer.
Anonymous at Mon, 8 Jul 2024 02:28:09 UTC No. 16272365
>>16272303
>All of theoretical physics is a BS waste of time, there's NOTHING left to find or invent, we hit a brick wall, we'll never advance past Kardashev-1
Rubbish. Rubbish. Rubbish.
Where there is WILL there is a way. So if you won't, get out of the way.
Anonymous at Mon, 8 Jul 2024 02:30:25 UTC No. 16272366
>>16271399
Agreed. They are kino, but underappreciated.
Anonymous at Mon, 8 Jul 2024 10:18:23 UTC No. 16272659
>>16271496
The future of America >>16271437 is truly here already.
Anonymous at Mon, 8 Jul 2024 10:29:44 UTC No. 16272667
>>16272365
This is structurally impossible, you popsci slopping retard
Anonymous at Mon, 8 Jul 2024 11:01:25 UTC No. 16272679
>>16272303
Science will never truly progress until people really embrace the future.
Anonymous at Mon, 8 Jul 2024 13:18:06 UTC No. 16272765
>>16272303
>we'll never advance past Kardashev-1
That scale reflects a 20th century way of thinking: more energy = more development.
The internet doesn't use that much energy.
Server farms sometimes do but it's because we're not advanced enough, not because we need more energy.
Same thing with AI.
Anonymous at Mon, 8 Jul 2024 23:22:50 UTC No. 16273397
>>16271314
Budget constraints.
>>16271437
Also this.
Anonymous at Mon, 8 Jul 2024 23:27:47 UTC No. 16273406
>>16271399
How the fuck did we not have an orbiter around Uranus decades ago already?
Anonymous at Mon, 8 Jul 2024 23:33:10 UTC No. 16273410
>>16272303
>All of theoretical physics is a BS waste of time
You nihilist faggots got a better use of that time? How can you know for certain if you do not try? There's no point in quitting either because as much as we like to cynically pretend otherwise our understanding of the universe is still incomplete.
Anonymous at Tue, 9 Jul 2024 16:54:36 UTC No. 16274378
>>16271437
>>16272659
>>16273397
The only good commie rat is a dead commie rat.
Exterminating commies is a civic duty.
Anonymous at Tue, 9 Jul 2024 17:00:21 UTC No. 16274384
>>16271437
>>16273397
a capitalist nation is the only one to land a man on the moon
seethe harder you Marxist loser freak
Anonymous at Tue, 9 Jul 2024 17:58:51 UTC No. 16274536
>>16274384
I could make the argument that a communist nation was the only one to land a rover on Venus. All our topographic and atmospheric knowledge of Venus came from Soviet data from the Vanera space program. If it wasn't for the USSR, we would still think Venus had alka-seltzer seas.
Anonymous at Tue, 9 Jul 2024 18:06:23 UTC No. 16274554
>>16271314
Titan and Europa are probably the only ones even worth it.
Anonymous at Tue, 9 Jul 2024 18:24:55 UTC No. 16274585
>>16274554
You can't send a rover to europa it gets destroyed by jupiter's radiation quickly and for titan hovercraft makes more sense
Anonymous at Tue, 9 Jul 2024 19:13:57 UTC No. 16274755
>>16271314
plutonium sisters are too scarce and reactor bros are too fat
Barkon Approved Post at Tue, 9 Jul 2024 19:25:10 UTC No. 16274787
>>16274780
There's literal visible water on this moon and yet we choose to go to barren Mars.
Anonymous at Tue, 9 Jul 2024 20:19:02 UTC No. 16274931
>>16272340
not with that attitude
Anonymous at Tue, 9 Jul 2024 21:14:48 UTC No. 16275015
>>16274787
How can we make normies care about the moons of the solar system? I bet 95% of normies don't even know there's water outside of Earth.
Anonymous at Tue, 9 Jul 2024 21:31:49 UTC No. 16275042
>>16271314
Mainly budgetary reasons. Also because power is very constrained in the outer solar system. Solar panels would be way too big for a rover to move at Jupiter. It's also harder to control rovers further out due to light lag, but better robot autonomy fixes this.
>>16274585
>destroyed too quickly
Just make it work fast in the single month it lives. Rads may be lower than we thought on the Europan due to the magnetic bow shock effect. So rovers might actually live long enough
>titan hovercraft
We could have had a submarine:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Titan
But NASA didn't fund it and now the only chance for it to happen again is in 2047
>>16274755
What this anon said.
Anonymous at Tue, 9 Jul 2024 21:47:42 UTC No. 16275070
>>16275015
>I am such a super special unique snowflake genius
>everyone else is a mere normie
https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases
Anonymous at Tue, 9 Jul 2024 23:44:23 UTC No. 16275276
>>16274780
Enceladus is too smol
Anonymous at Tue, 9 Jul 2024 23:49:44 UTC No. 16275281
>>16271314
>Why the fuck aren't we sending rovers to every moon in the solar system RIGHT NOW?!
It's very hard to even land them safely on most of those moons due to them having basically no atmosphere. They are also mostly far too cold to keep a rover running, and get too little sunlight.
Make no mistake: Your idea is a good one and they would very much LIKE to do what you're asking.
Anonymous at Wed, 10 Jul 2024 00:16:16 UTC No. 16275332
>>16274378
How to do capitalism
>twist the ruleset a little bit
>rob and exploit the working class
>tank the economy
>run out of people's goodwill
>get guillotined
>say it wasn't "real" capitalism
Anonymous at Wed, 10 Jul 2024 03:38:37 UTC No. 16275543
We'd rather spend the money on a trillion dollar space-station program instead (only to realize that having humans spend months in zeroG is a bad idea).
Anonymous at Wed, 10 Jul 2024 04:25:46 UTC No. 16275576
>>16271314
>tfw nasa sent a probe to uranus and is going even deeper than before
Anonymous at Wed, 10 Jul 2024 06:26:31 UTC No. 16275648
>>16271382
Let's actually sail to those other continents!
>why? for some pretty pictures?
Anonymous at Wed, 10 Jul 2024 09:03:47 UTC No. 16275756
>>16275648
People like him are libtarded soiboys who have zero drive or thirst for knowledge. That's why strong European men and women will conquer space.
Anonymous at Wed, 10 Jul 2024 16:24:35 UTC No. 16276136
>>16275070
>armchair psychology
Anonymous at Thu, 11 Jul 2024 02:34:51 UTC No. 16276833
>>16275332
Never happened, you stupid tranny Marxist freak.
Marxism is the ideology of losers and failures. That's why spiteful mutant dead-ends like yourself worship it.
Capitalism (rightism) enriches nations.
Socialism (leftism) impoverishes them.
https://rd.springer.com/chapter/10.
>Compared to those that were less free, countries with higher economic freedom ratings during 1980–2005 had lower rates of both extreme and moderate poverty in 2005. More importantly, countries with higher levels of economic freedom in 1980 and larger increases in economic freedom during the 1980s and 1990s achieved larger poverty rate reductions than economies that were less free. These relationships were true even after adjustment for geographic and locational factors and foreign assistance as a share of income. The positive relations between the level and change in economic freedom and reductions in poverty were both statistically significant and robust across alternative specifications.
http://mohrsiebeck.com/en/article/t
>We study the relationship between economic freedom and poverty rates in 151 countries over a twenty-year period. Using the World Bank's poverty headcounts of those living on less than $1.90 per day, $3.20 per day, and $5.50 per day, we find evidence that economic freedom, measured by the Heritage Foundation's Index of Economic Freedom, is associated with lower poverty rates. We also test the effect of various components of the Index of Economic Freedom. We find that a government's integrity and a country's trade freedom are associated with lower poverty rates. We check the robustness of our results using alternative freedom indices.
Anonymous at Thu, 11 Jul 2024 02:37:45 UTC No. 16276835
>>16274536
I thought the USSR was "state capitalist"
Anonymous at Thu, 11 Jul 2024 05:16:47 UTC No. 16276924
>>16273502
i say that and look like that
Anonymous at Thu, 11 Jul 2024 05:21:15 UTC No. 16276928
>>16276833
the idea of "economic freedom" taken to an extreme is just whoever is powerful gets to have a monopoly and oppress everyone, if you don't realize this you are retarded
your collage image gives no background as to what those studies, if they even exist and are credible, mean by "economic freedom"
(not the person you're replying to)
Anonymous at Thu, 11 Jul 2024 05:23:04 UTC No. 16276929
>>16271314
Because you need tens of kilograms per rover of plutonium, and there isn't that much available right now.
Anonymous at Thu, 11 Jul 2024 11:02:29 UTC No. 16277135
>>16276833
Socialism is the rational culmination of capitalism. Capitalism exploits regular people and has the huge problem of depressions/recessions that the government has to absorb, and this necessarily leads us into a socialist system.
And socialism isn't even the culmination of the process as communism comes after socialism, but you'd known that if you actually read Marx.
Anonymous at Thu, 11 Jul 2024 19:08:45 UTC No. 16277688
>>16276928
>pure schizobabble and copebabble in the face of the data
LMAO
Cope harder, tranny Marxist rat spiteful mutant freak
>(not the person you're replying to)
Bahaha the fact that you're braindead enough to think that'll fool anyone says it all
Leftshits are incredibly stupid and evil subhuman scum
Go back to leftypol you disgusting sack of shit and waste of life
Anonymous at Thu, 11 Jul 2024 19:10:45 UTC No. 16277694
>>16277135
>Socialism is the rational culmination of capitalism. Capitalism exploits regular people and has the huge problem of depressions/recessions that the government has to absorb, and this necessarily leads us into a socialist system.
>And socialism isn't even the culmination of the process as communism comes after socialism, but you'd known that if you actually read Marx.
>commie rat continues screeching
You will never be a revolutionary.
You will never be a commissar.
You will never be a dictator.
You will ALWAYS be a spiteful basement-dwelling incel loser freak, in EVERY walk of life.
You will die alone and unloved, and any poor soul aware of your pathetic existence will cheer your demise.
Anonymous at Thu, 11 Jul 2024 19:13:25 UTC No. 16277700
>>16277135
>Also prefiguring the man was a trait that Marx developed early in his youth and never relinquished: a shameless sponging on friends and relatives. Already in early 1837, Heinrich Marx, castigating his son Karl's wanton spending of the money of others, wrote to him that "on one point … you have wisely found fit to observe an aristocratic silence; I am referring to the paltry matter of money." Indeed, Marx took money from any source available: his father, mother, and throughout his adult life, his long-suffering friend and abject disciple, Friedrich Engels, all of whom fueled Marx's capacity for spending money like water.
>An insatiable spender of other people's money, Marx continually complained about a shortage of financial means. While sponging on Engels, Marx perpetually complained to his friend that his largess was never enough. Thus, in 1868, Marx insisted that he could not make do on an annual income of less than £400-£500, a phenomenal sum considering that the upper tenth of Englishmen in that period were earning an average income of only £72 a year. Indeed, so profligate was Marx that he quickly ran through an inheritance from a German follower of £824 in 1864, as well as a gift of £350 from Engels in the same year.
>As in the case of many other spongers and cadgers throughout history, Karl Marx affected a hatred and contempt for the very material resource he was so anxious to cadge and use so recklessly. The difference is that Marx created an entire philosophy around his own corrupt attitudes toward money. Man, he thundered, was in the grip of the "fetishism" of money.
Karl Marx was an insatiable parasite and a loser, just like you. No wonder subhuman retards like you idolize him. A classic case of like attracted to like.
Barkon Approved Post at Thu, 11 Jul 2024 19:14:37 UTC No. 16277702
>>16277688
Suppose it feels like I'm doing
Barkon Approved Post at Thu, 11 Jul 2024 19:15:38 UTC No. 16277705
>>16277688
Fag. Stop shouting
Anonymous at Thu, 11 Jul 2024 19:17:05 UTC No. 16277708
>>16277135
>And socialism isn't even the culmination of the process as communism comes after socialism, but you'd known that if you actually read Marx.
no one wants to read your unhinged schizo bullshit fanfiction
get over it
Anonymous at Thu, 11 Jul 2024 19:18:25 UTC No. 16277711
>>16277705
kill yourself
Anonymous at Thu, 11 Jul 2024 19:24:22 UTC No. 16277723
>>16276835
commies can never get their story straight
they're compulsive liars
Anonymous at Thu, 11 Jul 2024 21:54:03 UTC No. 16277907
>>16271314
>Why the fuck aren't we sending rovers to every moon in the solar system RIGHT NOW?!
Rovers can not vote Democrat.
Anonymous at Thu, 11 Jul 2024 22:12:30 UTC No. 16277923
>>16271314
10 years ago, we had a rocket bottle neck. Further it was the money bottleneck. We could only launch handful of times per year. Now the rocket bottleneck is no more. We're launching hundred+ this year with Falcon 9 alone.
So now the bottleneck rests upon regulatory bodies. They need to open a competition contract for $100M each.
Anonymous at Fri, 12 Jul 2024 00:50:24 UTC No. 16278074
>>16272303
>build interstellar probe from the atomic level on up with nanotech
>this probe is composed of atomically-reinforced radiation shielding and machine "cells", designed to both compute and "digest" matter to create copies of itself
>its "cells" are infinitely tougher, more flexible and smaller than living cells and can also create organic cells
>interstellar probe has a mass in the grams...an artificial tardigrade, but a million times tougher and with thrusters instead of legs
>use enormous EM accelerator to launch several thousand of these (maybe more, maybe less) at nearby star (or stars)
>leaves solar system at an appreciable percentage of light speed
>uses a tiny store of antimatter to decelerate (again, in the micrograms, due to its tiny size)
>upon reaching nearby star, first mission is to acquire an asteroid in target star's planetary system and begin replicating nanobot assemblers by "eating" it
>then build a transmitter and establish data link to "home"
>as well as another EM accelerator and more duplicates of itself to launch at more stars (a la Von Neumann)
>it will never be necessary to send more than one successful probe...all it needs to "build" another civilization around the target star (whether its biological, or more likely, virtual...this would be a Matrioshka Brain) is information from the data link to "home"
>galaxy and universe eventually enveloped by this machine "organism" or something faster, it that's at all possible
Should be possible in ~100 years, definitely 1000. Galaxy "conquered" in quarter million years. If it's scientifically possible, it's eventually doable.
Anonymous at Fri, 12 Jul 2024 00:53:34 UTC No. 16278078
>>16271383
That's not true. It's easier to land in low-gravity environments.
Anonymous at Fri, 12 Jul 2024 00:59:55 UTC No. 16278083
>>16274787
Those channels on the surface must be absolutely massive to see them so well from space.
Anonymous at Fri, 12 Jul 2024 10:56:35 UTC No. 16278562
>>16271399
>>16272366
>>16273406
Too far away
Anonymous at Fri, 12 Jul 2024 10:59:33 UTC No. 16278567
>>16272292
Nigga I ain't readin' all that shit
Anonymous at Fri, 12 Jul 2024 11:15:48 UTC No. 16278573
>>16278562
No it's not.
Anonymous at Fri, 12 Jul 2024 11:37:16 UTC No. 16278594
>>16274585
>You can't send a rover to europa it gets destroyed by jupiter's radiation quickly
Couldn't the rover dig a pit under the snow to seek shelter in?
Anonymous at Fri, 12 Jul 2024 11:50:42 UTC No. 16278612
>>16272667
Worst case we are bound to c and have to take the cryo-sleep, relativistic speed time dilation or multigenerational colony ship pill. Or even start with small Von Neumann probes you fucking moron.
Anonymous at Fri, 12 Jul 2024 12:29:25 UTC No. 16278651
>>16271314
next probe to Europa should be a submarine that can tunnel through the ice and enter the underground ocean
Anonymous at Fri, 12 Jul 2024 16:50:45 UTC No. 16278960
We have two spacecraft which are heading to Ganymede and Europa, launched by the ESA and NASA respectively, and they will begin operations in the early 2030s.
Anonymous at Fri, 12 Jul 2024 16:51:51 UTC No. 16278963
>>16278960
Actually, the NASA one hasn't launched yet, but it will this year.
Anonymous at Fri, 12 Jul 2024 17:14:52 UTC No. 16278990
>>16271437
>i should be allowed to steal your property to spend it on things i want
no, that's evil
Anonymous at Fri, 12 Jul 2024 17:16:36 UTC No. 16278991
>>16272303
low hanging fruit argument is wrong. It's dysgenics causing a lack of people smart enough to discover new things
Anonymous at Fri, 12 Jul 2024 17:17:38 UTC No. 16278993
>>16272765
>more energy = more development.
Is the correct way of thinking.
Only environmentalist fools like yourself believe energy doesn't matter.
Anonymous at Fri, 12 Jul 2024 17:20:14 UTC No. 16278996
>>16275332
>twist the ruleset a little bit
Governments are not part of capitalism.
>rob and exploit the working class
Can't rob people if they've got guns. No gun restrictions in capitalism.
>tank the economy
Inflation, taxation, regulations are all government created. Not capitalism.
>run out of people's goodwill
Mandate of heaven applies to governments. See above.
>get guillotined
See guns.
>say it wasn't "real" capitalism
Governments are not capitalism.
Yep, you're a statist cuck. An idiot or evil.
Anonymous at Fri, 12 Jul 2024 17:21:16 UTC No. 16279000
>>16276833
>Never happened, you stupid tranny Marxist freak.
>Marxism is the ideology of losers and failures. That's why spiteful mutant dead-ends like yourself worship it.
Spot on. Ignore the subhumans raising non-arguments against you.
Anonymous at Fri, 12 Jul 2024 17:22:29 UTC No. 16279001
>>16276928
>taken to an extreme is just whoever is powerful gets to have a monopoly and oppress everyone
You mean a government? Monopolies only exist in a free market if they're providing genuinely brilliant value. They cannot oppress anyone at all. You do not understand economics and should not be allowed to vote.
Anonymous at Fri, 12 Jul 2024 17:23:59 UTC No. 16279003
>>16277688
This is the correct response. Don't waste time arguing with statist, they're either smart enough to understand but pretend not to (aka evil) or are stupid. Either way it's a waste treating them like a creature capable of reasoning.
Anonymous at Fri, 12 Jul 2024 17:25:14 UTC No. 16279006
>>16276835
USSR is just a government taken to the logical conclusion: bandits disarm the population leaving open to rape and pillage.
Anonymous at Fri, 12 Jul 2024 17:27:48 UTC No. 16279008
>>16278074
>Should be possible in ~100 years, definitely 1000.
Dysgenics blocks your path.
Perhaps in 3000 years after Rome has returned again.
Anonymous at Fri, 12 Jul 2024 17:57:18 UTC No. 16279043
>>16271314
because we have to send our money to israel and africa instead
>why
hmmmmmmmmm
Anonymous at Fri, 12 Jul 2024 18:28:33 UTC No. 16279079
>>16276833
>>16279000
>>16277711
>>16277700
Kek does not like Marx
Anonymous at Fri, 12 Jul 2024 19:05:25 UTC No. 16279151
>>16271396
>it'll only take 40 years
Then we have WW3 to look forward too.
Anonymous at Fri, 12 Jul 2024 19:12:17 UTC No. 16279161
>>16271314
fag