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Anonymous No. 16271529

Why do scientist need money to do things like go to space or cure diseases? It's not like money magically creates resources we have all the tools to pretty much do whatever we want, why would money be a factor?

Anonymous No. 16271532

>>16271529
Because we need money to live, and if you aren't making money, you are losing money.

Anonymous No. 16271539

>>16271529
because scientists like to cum and poop on everything

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Anonymous No. 16271689

>>16271529
Most get programmed by the school system to only move unless money is involved

Pretty sad really, its so stamped into them that they grow to fear the ones who decidecnot to be coin operated automatons

Anonymous No. 16271690

>>16271529
You are free to do it for free.

Anonymous No. 16271724

>>16271529
Scientists usually don’t use the same shitty equipment that the average high schooler encounters in a science class. If the money for expensive equipment comes out of the scientist’s pockets, how are they supposed to buy necessities to live?

Anonymous No. 16271731

>>16271529
Money is just an accounting system to keep track of things, its not a limiting factor on anything. Even a full soviet command economy where some king decrees things to get done would require an accounting system.
Soviets tried to ditch money by planning production and consumption strictly in terms of physical inputs. Like they would have recipes of what resources it took to build a truck or a house, and then plan budgets in terms of ingredients and man-hours rather than some money abstraction. Then they would order things to "get done". Existing resources and labor would get mixed at the planned recipe-formulas and products were physically created.
The initial idea was to then just give people physical compensation, like housing, clothing, bags of food, rather than money.
This idea is still used today at least for analysis of economies, and for non-central planning. Called input-output models.
Now, the soviets had A LOT of scientists, they alloted many physical resources to science, so essentially the farmers and factory workers had to hand over more of their physical production to SCIENCE

Anonymous No. 16273792

>>16271529
Why do you need internet forums to post your thoughts?
It's not like forums magically create ideas, you have all the tools to pretty much think whatever you want, why would internet forums be a factor in your retarded musings?

Anonymous No. 16275511

>>16271529
they want to get money without earning it because they're greedy, simple as

Anonymous No. 16276879

If scientists are so smart, why can't they figure out how earn the money they claim they need instead of greedily demanding handouts like a helpless welfare case?

Anonymous No. 16276996

>>16276879
Greedily demanding handouts is the smart thing to do. I don't make the rules.

Anonymous No. 16277041

>>16276879
That isn't what they do though, they do like elon and secure funding in exchange for huge promises that won't have to be delivered until the the promiser and promisee are long dead.

Anonymous No. 16277182

>>16271529
This sounds like a 6 y/o kid asking stupid questions to his parents.

🗑️ Anonymous No. 16278291

>>16277041
>whataboutism

Anonymous No. 16279875

>>16271529
>science in 1890: i need $10 million dollars to invent the flying machine
>*proceeds to invent nothing*
>a couple decades later two farm kids from rural nowhere who never even went to high school invent the flying machine using less than $100 of their own money

Anonymous No. 16280377

>>16271529
Materials to build things cost money
Machines to make things out of material cost money
Eating, drinking and shelter cost money
Electricity costs money
Internet and phone costs money
Papers "cost money"


What do you think we live on photosynthesis?

Anonymous No. 16280517

>>16276879
>why can't they figure out how earn the money they claim they need instead of greedily demanding handouts like a helpless welfare case?
Because scientists are workers, not financiers, and workers are not responsible for procuring their own capital. Workers get capital to work, they add the work and the product of work+capital belongs to the financier.
Ther workers on their own are free to ask for capital or just go where the capital is. What scientists do is what all workers do, they dont beg for handouts but for capital to work.

Anonymous No. 16281987

>>16280517
>scientists are workers
no they aren't. publishing replication crisis papers isn't work. workers produce something of legitimate value, scientists don't

Anonymous No. 16282044

>>16281987
>t. retard who doesn't even understand the technology produced by multitudes of scientists that he is using right now to make his retarded opinions known by a worldwide audience

Anonymous No. 16282153

>>16271529
sorry I will remember to draw some magic circles next time and just materialise a space ship.
How silly of me to buy the parts and materials needed for construction and paying my workers so they don't starve

Anonymous No. 16282172

>>16282153
Be like Nike and just do it. You are morbidly obese, eating isn't your problem, eating too much is.

Anonymous No. 16282574

>>16281987
>. publishing replication crisis papers isn't work
Yes it is
>>16281987
>workers produce something of legitimate value,
The labor theory of value was proven to be a sham. The market has valued Science! as a high value product and pays for it. Quiet simply, rich people pay scientists to work for them, they provide them with the neccessary tools and pay their salaries, as they believe that scientific work is worth a lot more than what it costs to pay scientists and their tools.
Your preferences here dont matter, the market has spoken

Anonymous No. 16283981

>>16282153
you're not a scientist and you aren't building a spacecraft
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fantasy_(psychology)#Narcissistic_personality_disorder
>Two characteristics of someone with narcissistic personality disorder are:[28]
>A pervasive pattern of grandiosity (in fantasy or behavior)
>A preoccupation with fantasies of unlimited success, power, brilliance, wealth, beauty, or ideal love.

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Anonymous No. 16285964

>>16271529
the like to waste other people's money because doing so is considered a status symbol amongst scientists. the attached book will explain it all to you

Anonymous No. 16286360

money inflates itself

Anonymous No. 16287592

>>16285964
>the like to waste other people's money because doing so is considered a status symbol amongst scientists.
Scientists only use the capital that is given to them by investors, whom give them money for the same reason that jews give aspiring rappers money, some of them will strike gold and pay them back all of the money spent.
Without scientific research profits would be much smaller. Scientific research is risky, like funding a rapper, yet the rapping business as a whole makes money no matter if 99% of rappers never make money.
The scientist is just a wagie of the financiers, working for the financiers. He gets his salary and capital to work, but the profit is form the financier.
In summary, they dont waste money, they produce money, on average, same as any other worker

Anonymous No. 16287952

>>16271532
Why does the Linux operating system exist for free without money

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Anonymous No. 16287969

>>16271532
scientists don't make money, thats why they need to live off welfare gibes grants from the government

Anonymous No. 16288914

>>16287969
this, science is populated by leeches who expect to be supported financially by society for doing nothing better than uselessly playing extremely expensive sandbox games, they even compete to see who can waste the most money on their ridiculous sandbox games the more money wasted the bigger of status symbol it is.

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Anonymous No. 16290077

>>16288914

Anonymous No. 16290368

>>16287969
>scientists don't make money,
Lies, they make profits for their financers
>>16287969
>thats why they need to live off welfare gibes grants
Not gibs, but capital and working compendation given to them, exactly the same as any other worker gets. All workers get capital to use and a salary. I for instance use machinery worth about 2 million dollars, it isnt mine but i use it, plus i get a salary and my boss gets profit. Thats a typical worker-financier arrangement.

Anonymous No. 16290384

>>16287952

Because Linus T. created it for free in his basement, giving us his time for free. Prior to that, the Unix operating system Linux is based on was created by Bell Labs for AT&T. 70s era Phone bills paid for Unix.

Anonymous No. 16290393

>>16287969
People with say this shit straight faced and then totally ignore the number of enormous defense contractors that live almost entirely off of government handouts.

Anonymous No. 16290996

>>16290393
contracts are not handouts, neither are salaries nor is supplying workers with capital a handout
Handouts are gifts given with nothing expected in return. Literal charity, while one expects a return from scientific research at least statistically, not from every single scientific work

Anonymous No. 16291868

>>16290393
>whataboutism
you're incapable if justifying useless soientists living off government welfare just life ghetto negroes
if the soientists produced anything of value you wouldn't need to resort to whataboutism to try to justify their existence.

Anonymous No. 16292221

>>16291868
I told you scientists dont get gibs, they get salaries and capital like any other worker. Stop your dumb defamation

Anonymous No. 16293026

>>16292221
>scientists dont get gibs
what are government research grants? they're free money from the money printer that the government hands out in exchange for getting nothing in return and the recipients would starve to death without their government gibes because they're incapable of surviving off the dole.

Anonymous No. 16293130

>>16293026
They get reports and data in return, though, its not just for nothing.

Anonymous No. 16293567

>>16293026
>what are government research grants?
Offerings of capital and working compensation, given by a financier to workers, in the exact same way as in every capitalist relationship.
>getting nothing
The government gets scientific research, which is extremely valuable. Without it there would be zero technology
>without it scientists would die
Likely they would work for someone else or in a different profession, this comment is particularly idiotic. Most scientists dont work as scientists, they graduate and go do something else

🗑️ Anonymous No. 16294151

Hey hicks! You all are hard workers with real gumption, those baristas are lazy, and work a job thats not as gruff as yours! Vote for lower taxes and free trade where the strongest (you) will benefit!

>Turns out rough and tumble machismo middle American jobs have no value in the market economy because any uneducated hick can do them lol. HR chicks make bank closing down your dumb ass factory.

Noooo, uhhh the Government has overtaxed me. (pays next to no taxes) Muh hard work, the educated class who brutalize me at will are on uhhh gibs. Ya thats right, why is my money (lol) going to scientists! Sob

Anonymous No. 16294169

>>16280517
>but for capital to work
Sorry capital is buying real estate instead so that line go up because line went up because line goes up. They'll never make more land but you can always find someone to make more science.

Anonymous No. 16294172

Because the only way we know how to get people to do work is to give them money or enslave them.

Anonymous No. 16294258

>>16293026

A portion of grants goes to the university, who uses it to pay salary for employees including non-research staff, and non-research expenses including infrastructure and upkeep.

Researchers use grants to purchase scientific equipment and services. Majority of these are provided by private companies.

Anonymous No. 16294285

>>16294169
>Sorry capital is buying real estate instead so that line go up
Capital is many things, real estate is capital but other things too, like equipment, machinery, materials, etc. You keep making all these idiotic comments that are so easy to debunk, what do you get from that?

Anonymous No. 16294294

>>16271529
Just covering expenses. That's it.

Anonymous No. 16294307

>>16271529
Go buy all the workers working on those projects food and housing for years with your no money.

Anonymous No. 16294887

Resources, equipment, land and labor exist but dont belong to you. Gigadictators can somehow muster only some small percentage of the resources of society, the bulk of wealth and effort are spent on basic maintenance of society like not starving.

Anonymous No. 16295654

>>16271529
if you're doing something useful and valuable then you don't need to beg for gibes to do it, performing the task, whatever it is, will generate the income needed to sustain it. its only if you're doing something of no value that you need to demand gibes

Anonymous No. 16295706

>>16295654
>no value
*no immediate value
Nice try short term thinker, but with your limited mindset we would not be taking advantage of the vast hydroelectricity being produced by the hoover dam since it took many decades before the investment started paying off instead of generating income as construction was being performed.

Anonymous No. 16296853

>>16295706
thats a false comparison because hoover dam produces something useful valuable while scientists produce worthless replication crisis papers.

Anonymous No. 16296869

>>16296853
>while scientists produce worthless replication crisis papers.
Scientists produced every single piece of scientific knowledge that exists. Their research is the basis for every technology that exists, this knowledge is mixed up with some fake research but its no major issue discarding that garbage, mostly because its impossible to use fake research in producing technology.
The replication crisis just reduced the financial efficiency of scientific research, not nullifies it. Is this too nuanced for you?

Anonymous No. 16297181

>>16296853
First, the value was not immediate, so would not happen under your limitations where only immediately profitable things should be pursued and second, scientists produced the tools and knowledge that allowed for the hoover dam to be constructed in the first place, retard.

Anonymous No. 16297206

>>16296869
I am sorry, but what peer reviewed journal invented the lathe?

Anonymous No. 16297334

>>16297206
>but what peer reviewed journal invented the lathe?
The lathe is thousands of years old, and was invented and improved over that time by thousands of researchers a.k.a people doing research. It doesnt matter if they published a paper or not.
If you have a grudge against institutional research in state institutions just say so rather than broadly attacking scientists. A person following the scientific method is a scientist, this includes whoever tinkerer made the first wooden lathe millenia ago.

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Anonymous No. 16298478

>>16297334
>A person following the scientific method is a scientist
modern scientists don't follow the scientific method, they use peer review as a means of circumventing the scientific method.
you don't even know what the scientific method is because you've never read the relevant texts

Anonymous No. 16298872

>>16298478
>modern scientists don't follow the scientific method
Yes they do, those who dont are simply not scientists. Anyone who does science is a scientist

Anonymous No. 16298873

>>16298478
>you don't even know what the scientific method is because you've never read the relevant texts
The scientific method is just checking. You have an idea? Ok then check it, Try it IRL, thats the scientific method

Anonymous No. 16299931

>>16298873
thats not what it is, you're ignorant are a result of having never exposed yourself to the relevant texts

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Anonymous No. 16301027

>>16298478
Non-Christians are incapable of adhering to or executing the scientific method. The scientific method is a subset of Christianity, without the prerequisite adherence to Christian values and rules, making use of the scientific method is not possible.

Anonymous No. 16302037

>>16299931
>thats not what it is,
Thats exactly what it is and you are just embarrassing yourself. Nobody find your contrarianism to be clever or amusing.
The scientific method is just checking ideas IRL. Sure you can formalize this with le formal series of steps or some 300 page essay, but all it is is checking.

Anonymous No. 16302040

>>16299931
>relevant texts
Nigger, there are no relevant texts here. The scientific method is just checking, its just an idea and no one owns it. I dont care whos your favorite philosopher that wrote a 300 page essay on checking things for yourself.

Anonymous No. 16303969

>>16302040
the n word is racist

Anonymous No. 16305361

>>16294172
Scientists don't do work. Work is productive. Playing sandbox games is not productive, its playtime

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Anonymous No. 16305427

Who Knows, Hopefully You have more than one answer in this threads replies that's valid

Anonymous No. 16305439

>>16305361
>Scientists don't do work. Work is productive
Scientists produce scientific research, which is the basis for all technology. Their work is extremely productive and useful but only on average. A lot of scientific research turns out to be lies or not a lie but useless, yet on average its still useful.
Just discard the bad research and keep the gems. Its the same in any industry BTW, its called quality control, not everything produced in a production line can be offered for sale, products get tested and the bad ones get destroyed or sent back for repairs.
In science theres two methods for quality control: Peer review before publication of research, which is broken, but theres ongoing peer review after publication, by literally everyone that reads papers.
It can take many years to catch some lies, even a generation, but they get discovered in the end because nothing in fake research can be reproduced by others.

Anonymous No. 16307478

>>16305439
>Scientists produce scientific research, which is the basis for all technology.
no it isn't, stop taking credit for things you didn't do and didn't produce. technology is produced by people trying to create something useful, its not made by accident by letting overaged schoolchildren play sandbox games with other peoples' money, grow up

Anonymous No. 16307623

>>16307478
>stop taking credit for things you didn't do and didn't produce. t
Im not taking credit
>>16307478
>technology is produced by people trying to create something useful,
Its created by many types of people, mostly scientists.
>>16307478
>sandbox games
Irrelevant slander, you have no arguments left

Anonymous No. 16309294

>>16307623
>mostly scientists.
Scientists publish lies in the replication crisis journals, they don't do anything useful.

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Anonymous No. 16310411

>>16297206
>I am sorry, but what peer reviewed journal invented the airplane?
it was invented by uneducated bicycle salesmen, not scientists
>I am sorry, but what peer reviewed journal invented the computer?
it was invented by the lyonnaise textile manufacturers, not scientists

there are a million examples like this, scientists are always trying to take credit for other people's accomplishments because they have none of their own to bring about

Anonymous No. 16310413

>>16271529
Scientists are huge welfare queens

Anonymous No. 16310420

>>16310411
You might not realize this but airplanes have come a long fucking way from the wright brothers. They also didn't invent the internal combustion engine, airfoils, or the materials used.

Modern material science for jet engines and RAM coating like on the f-35 took decades of research.

Anonymous No. 16310466

>>16271529
Because money recruits the required resources? You can do it without "money" per se it just involves extra steps.

Anonymous No. 16311857

>>16310420
>They also didn't invent the internal combustion engine, airfoils, or the materials used.
You're completely ignorant of history, they were the first to build an engine out of aluminum, their lightweight piston engine was the key to the success of their design. They also used their home made wind tunnel to figure out the correct airfoil cross-section needed to generate the most lift with the least possible drag.

Anonymous No. 16311996

>>16311857
>Charles Taylor, considered the father of aircraft mechanics, built it for them
They didn't invent the internal combustion engine you fucktard, they just made it out of different materials.

They also didn't invent airfoils, they were a known effect. They just tested their own.

Anonymous No. 16312148

>>16271529
> It's not like money magically creates resources we have all the tools
Its not that we don't have tools and its more about how we allocate these tools.
>why would money be a factor?
We need money to change ownership of said tool.

Anonymous No. 16312365

>>16309294
>Scientists publish lies in the replication crisis journals
The ones that publish lies are not scientists. You are defaming scientists and the holy temple of Science! by including impostors in your account. See, all you have to do is weed out these frauds and you are then left with genuine concentrated Science! It doesnt stop existing just because some frauds also exist

Anonymous No. 16313835

scientists need to learn how to do more with less, restricting their resources is bound to make scientists smarter and more efficient.

Anonymous No. 16313952

>>16311996
>they just made it out of different materials.
That is still technological development. It only seems obvious now that the feat was done

Anonymous No. 16313963

>>16313835
Science is naturally getting less efficient, the low hanging fruit has been picked and on top of that theres more fraud. So the cost of resources for every barrel of distilled peer-reviewed Science! will be higher now than in Marie Curie's days when you could wave a geiger counter over a rock and discover some new element. Its just intrinsically more expensive.

Anonymous No. 16315552

>>16313963
>theres more fraud.
that because atheists are permitted to be scientists

Anonymous No. 16315793

>>16271529
Are average Americans really that stupid?

Anonymous No. 16316494

>>16287952
Linus is a millionaire
They are funded, google The Linux Foundation.

Anonymous No. 16316598

>>16281987
Most science work isn't research for the sake of knowledge. University research work like that is the dream for a lot of people but the reality is working in a production setting or R&D if you're lucky.

Anonymous No. 16316999

>>16287952
Why does Tanya exist and why does Chabad Lubavitch hands it over for free? It costs money to save souls yet they do it for free. Donate to your nearest Chabad House today, tzedaka is the greatest mitzvah and a great merit in the eyes of Hashem

Anonymous No. 16317035

>>16310411
>it was invented by uneducated bicycle salesmen, not scientists
Sure it was, the Wright brothers did science. They had experiments they tested and improved upon, hypothetical designs that did or didn't work, and eventually produced a machine that could fly.
How is that not science?
One who does science is a scientist. Any other meaning of the word is overbearing and stupid.

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Anonymous No. 16318190

>>16271529

Anonymous No. 16319611

>>16317035
>soience faggots trying to claim credit for other people's success because they have none of their own to boast about

Anonymous No. 16320057

>>16271529
Because human greed makes pure, efficient, nonsugarcoated slavery hard to implement.

Anonymous No. 16320920

>>16319611
Claiming credit for other people's work is intellectual property theft.

Anonymous No. 16322537

>>16287969
>gibez me dat soience munni fo free or u raysis an sheiiitt

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Anonymous No. 16322607

>>16271529
1. People need resources to live
2. People have a limited time to acquire resources
3. Unless there is a way to acquire the needed resources otherwise, People will do so directly.
4. If a person does not acquire resources directly, they must get them from someone else.
5. Other people will have conditions by which they give that person their resources.
6. If the person does not satisfy those conditions he will not get those resources from other people.
7. People such as scientists are not exempt from these factors and nor are anyone else.
8. Thus scientists must meet the conditions required to get resources required for their experiments from other people.
9. Goods throughout the entire world regardless of country are generally distributed according to posession of bartering tokens (money).
10. Other people require money for to get resources to live
11. Thus they will require the scientist to pay them for the resources they need for their experiments.
12. Thus scientists need money.

Now that we've gotten past basic kindergarten economics we can talk about something meaningful.

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Anonymous No. 16324137

>>16271529
Why do people need money to do things like go to work or acquire necessary goods? It's not like money magically creates resources we have all the tools to pretty much do whatever we want, why would money be a factor?

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Anonymous No. 16324627

If scientists are so smart how come the can't figure out how to earn the money needed for their projects instead of greedily thieving that money from unwilling contributors like a bunch of leeches?

Anonymous No. 16324765

>>16324627
Being smart doesn't necessarily mean you can absolutely convince stupid people to behave in non stupid ways and its usually more a matter of morality, sure the scientists could make scam scratchers and photoshopped onlyfans to leech from the stupid people instead of being transparent and asking large organizations, but they would then be guilty and tard rage would likely ensure anyway.

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>>16290077
good pic
its funny because its true