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Anonymous No. 16274808

Is this really going to be the future of humanity? Humans stuck in a Virtual Reality machine with every fantasy they have created by an AI assistant? With robots taking care of everything? No exploring the stars, no treading the cosmos, no travelling to distant galaxies. Just a hedonist paradise.

Anonymous No. 16274892

>>16274808
>shitposts in 4chan
>thinks he can afford virtual reality
the mind of the mentally ill "el grandioso" poster

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Anonymous No. 16274918

It's more likely that humanity will go extinct and be replaced entirely with machines.

https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/ted-kaczynski-the-techies-wet-dreams

> But when all people have become useless, self-propagating systems will find no advantage in taking care of anyone. The techies themselves insist that machines will soon surpass humans in intelligence.[14] When that happens, people will be superfluous and natural selection will favor systems that eliminate them—if not abruptly, then in a series of stages so that the risk of rebellion will be minimized.

> It's important to understand that in order to make people superfluous, machines will not have to surpass them in general intelligence but only in certain specialized kinds of intelligence. For example, the machines will not have to create or understand art, music, or literature, they will not need the ability to carry on an intelligent, non-technical conversation (the "Turing test"[18]), they will not have to exercise tact or understand human nature, because these skills will have no application if humans are to be eliminated anyway. To make humans superfluous, the machines will only need to outperform them in making the technical decisions that have to be made for the purpose of promoting the short-term survival and propagation of the dominant self-propagating systems. So, even without going as far as the techies themselves do in assuming intelligence on the part of future machines, we still have to conclude that humans will become obsolete. Immortality in the form (i)—the indefinite preservation of the human body as it exists today—is highly improbable.

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Anonymous No. 16274934

>>16274808
Earth turning into a hedonist paradise is a good thing and I'm tired of pretending it isn't.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jsEt7zDxRzY

Anonymous No. 16274953

>>16274934
Ummm ACKSHUALLY having fun and living your dreams is LE BAD. You need to suffer because ummm it makes you le rugged stoic hardass or something.

Anonymous No. 16274959

>>16274918
>AI can’t have a value system that values humans because IT JUST CAN’T OK!?
Even tho the human brain is proof that a computer can be sentimental and have values other than maximum efficiency. AI doomwank is scifi retardation.

Anonymous No. 16274973

>>16274934
Nah, you will still be bored.

Anonymous No. 16274975

>>16274973
Good thing you could program hardship into your simulation so you can be stoic hardass for real

Anonymous No. 16274981

>>16274934
If it doesn't make you actually happy then it's not a good experience machine
Every issue you have with it is only if it doesn't work properly.

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Anonymous No. 16274988

>>16274973
>muh boredom
Boredom is a product of chemical reactions in your brain and can be engineered out.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rE90-AocqFI

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Anonymous No. 16274991

>>16274981
https://qualiacomputing.com/2016/08/20/wireheading_done_right/

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Anonymous No. 16275025

>>16274959
Except that no one has any idea how to actually program human values into an AI in a way that won't cause it to break when it becomes more intelligent.
>B-but IT'S PHYSICALLY POSSIBLE THO
That doesn't mean it will actually happen.

Anonymous No. 16275032

>>16274808
>>16274892
>>16274918
>>16274934
>>16274953
>>16274959
>>16274973
>>16274975
>>16274981
>>16274988
>>16274991
>>16275025
Someone has to and will continue advancing science (will need enhancements to keep up with AI tho) and colonizing space even if some get addicted to VR, long term humanity survival hinges on it. Also we can just as easily treat dopamine fried brains to make less people severely addicted to future VR instead of helping the real world too so i wouldn't worry about it

Anonymous No. 16275098

>>16274975
Well it is anything but real. In practice it is faking by artificial program, and in theory, neither hedonistic or stoic. It's just fake.
>>16274988
>x is chemical reaction thus can be done
Sounds like real effort, im sure you won't do that.

Anonymous No. 16275261

>>16275025
>How would we make AI friendly
You make it so it feels pleasure from being nice to humans.

>But that is LE HARD AND COMPLEX
Ok? Look at animal brains for pointers, it’s not something supernatural.

Anonymous No. 16275271

>>16274934
>Posts well-poisoning fallacy sheet.
Got any actual arguments?

Anonymous No. 16275287

>>16275271
Yea that fun simulations are fun

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Anonymous No. 16275362

>>16274934
Post some cope. I need a laugh.

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Anonymous No. 16275505

>>16275271
Pleasure is good and suffering is bad, simple as

Anonymous No. 16275544

>>16275261
this guy is a ted cultist who has been spamming the techies wet dream and anti tech revolution non stop for years
his brain is totally cooked and arguing with him is a waste of time

Anonymous No. 16275597

>>16274808
I doubt it. Scientists will eventually be able to create life in the lab and engineer it to help with things like reforming/creating organs in our body and even terraforming planets like Venus by processing all the atmospheric carbon and oxygen and creating a habitable place.

Once scientists can turn molecules into life the whole solar system becomes open to us.

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Anonymous No. 16275603

>>16274918
>Ted Kaczynski
Nothing worse than a mediocre mind that states shit with such absolute certainty.

Anonymous No. 16275618

>>16274808
I wouldn't say "stuck" per se, but yeah basically. Actually, in all likelihood we will have a massive overlapping virtual reality on top of the real world, in addition to a fully-virtual world. Basically this though.

Anonymous No. 16275689

>>16275603
Do mediocre minds really end up in Harvard before most people get their driver's license and graduate before the legal drinking age?

Anonymous No. 16275692

how do we know our reality isn't just a dream taking place in a boltzmann brain?

Anonymous No. 16275694

>>16275261
Pleasure is an organic sensation spontaneously produced by a well functioning nervous system, not some programmable digital state that can just arbitrarily be turned on and off.

Anonymous No. 16275696

>>16275692
Dream physics are unstable and easy to tamper with from a first person POV.

Anonymous No. 16275739

>>16274959
The argument is that it doesn’t need to develop any of that

Anonymous No. 16275747

>>16275261
Buddy these things are actually incredibly difficult you just don’t know shit

Anonymous No. 16275750

>>16275696
Unless it’s a dream of a higher order brain whose dreams are identical to what we consider reality, not knowing anything else>>16275696

Anonymous No. 16275754

>>16275750
If that were the case, there would be no we, you wouldn't have a first person POV, you would only exist from a third person perspective as an avatar from someone else's mind, so you wouldn't be able to come up with that kind of scenario because you wouldn't have agency.

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Anonymous No. 16275900

>>16275261
>You make it so it feels pleasure from being nice to humans.
And how do you do that exactly?

>But that is LE HARD AND COMPLEX
>Ok? Look at animal brains for pointers, it’s not something supernatural.
Except that you only have 1 shot to get it right, and the instant you accidentally create a superintelligence that destroys the world, you won't have another chance to get it right.

Anonymous No. 16275942

>>16275694
The brain is a computer. It’s not magic. If the brain can experience pleasure then neural nets made from silica can also experience pleasure.

Anonymous No. 16276543

>>16275689
>MUH HARVARD
I could easily envision a mediocre mind living in a fucking shack mailing out deadly packages in an attempt to force the world to listen to his mediocre ramblings.

I have a relative who earned a scholarship to Princeton. He wasted it on humanities and now he quotes David Icke books to me after retiring from insurance adjustment after forty years. Education isn't shit without the means to exploit it.

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Anonymous No. 16276773

>>16275942
Not until you solve the binding problem.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binding_problem
https://qualiacomputing.com/2022/06/19/digital-computers-will-remain-unconscious-until-they-recruit-physical-fields-for-holistic-computing-using-well-defined-topological-boundaries/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RT9tnzucnPU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Z-XYc93mzw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IlIgmTALU74

Anonymous No. 16276896

>>16274808
>No exploring the stars, no treading the cosmos, no travelling to distant galaxies.

You will do that and even much more impossible things like getting laid in VR, I don't see the problem. Real is overrated, real might mean you'll visit planet that will get you so fucked you wished you never went out of Earth. In VR you'll be the hero shooting aliens and banging three tits alien chicks.