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🧵 Should We Terraform Mars?

Anonymous No. 16277314

>A desert moss could be the key to terraforming Mars, according to a recent study published by Chinese scientists
>Due to its extraordinary resilience, Syntrichia caninervis (S. caninervis), a moss found in extreme desert environments from Tibet to Antarctica, has been touted a "pioneer plant" for establishing a livable environment on Mars. Basically, scientists believe this plant could enrich the planet's rocky surface to enable the growth of other plants
>The scientists subjected whole S. caninervis plants to conditions typically found on Mars: high doses of gamma radiation, low oxygen, extreme cold and drought. They report that the plants could withstand combinations of these conditions, even losing over 98% of their water content and still bouncing back within seconds —"drying without dying” is the term that was used. Perhaps even more astounding is the plant's ability to recover and grow new branches after being stored in a freezer at −80 degrees Celsius (-112 degrees Fahrenheit) for five years or in liquid nitrogen (-195.8 degrees C; -320.44 degrees F) for one month
>"Unique morphological features of S. caninervis, such as twisted leaves, conserve water by minimizing surface area and reducing transpiration, and the awns provide efficient photoprotection from intense UV radiation, extreme temperatures and water loss," wrote the team. "Meanwhile, the cell wall, cell membrane, and chloroplast and its membrane structure remain intact even in a completely dehydrated state."
>Under stress, S. caninervis enters a state of "selective metabolic dormancy," strategically preserving key metabolites — products of cellular metabolic pathways — needed for its speedy resurrection.

Anonymous No. 16277318

>>16277314
>“Your popsci people are so preoccupied with whether they should, they didn’t stop to think if they can.”

Anonymous No. 16277624

>>16277314
Now try growing it at Mars' atmospheric pressure.

Anonymous No. 16277642

>>16277314
Any mention of the moss withstanding or changing the toxic perchlorate content of the Martian soil?
The #1 thing preventing us from growing plants there

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Anonymous No. 16277648

>>16277314
Dew it

Anonymous No. 16278068

>>16277624
>>16277314
>Planetary gravity catapult
Venus too

Anonymous No. 16278096

>>16277314
Isn't there some sort of international treaty that forbids this?

Anonymous No. 16278105

>>16277314
We will need to terraform Earth soon if they continue to pollute et destroy it.

Anonymous No. 16278106

>>16277314
They should terraform it with LK-99. Maybe hit the surface with pure concentrated Bullshittium.

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Anonymous No. 16278133

>>16277314
Should we build a gigalaser that can pierce the mind of god and reveal the fundamental truths of the universe?

Should we perform a ritual to turn ourselves into hot immortal futa succubi?

Should we breed mutant fish-insect-goat-man hybrids to be our slaves and develop video games for our amusement?

The answer to all these questions is moot, because it's completely impossible nonsense. Like terraforming Mars.

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Anonymous No. 16278138

the world is sprinting towards a massive technological regression due to monumental demographic shifts, the nuclear arsenal will be in the hands of wholly unfit people in about a century or two and some people are ignorant enough to think that we're gonna be terraforming another planet at any point

Anonymous No. 16278143

>>16278138
Chatbots will fix it

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Anonymous No. 16278164

If climate change is such a pressing issue, shouldn't we be terraforming Earth to be able to cope with its effects before worrying about Mars?

Anonymous No. 16278252

>>16277314
you can terraform it all you like, it still wont be habitable. The gravity is too little for humans to live there without having their bones severely weaken by the time they reach earth.

🗑️ Anonymous No. 16278260

>muh cringey narcissistic world building fantasy life where I get to play god and imagine myself with unlimited resources and power
>thread #9001
narcissistic power fantasies are a coping mechanism that losers employ as a means of ignoring the dissatisfaction they feel with the true reality of their impotency in actual IRL reality, if you engage in these fantasies it is as much as admitting that you are a total loser

Anonymous No. 16278366

disassemble Mars and use the material to build lots of O'Neill cylinders

Anonymous No. 16278368

>>16277314
>Should We Terraform Mars?
no

Anonymous No. 16278427

>>16277314
no, imagine creating an ecosystem with trillions of retarded sentient beings whos life mostly consists of suffering. only humans should be on mars and maybe animals for who we can make sure that they can have a good life.

Anonymous No. 16278745

>>16278368
I supported Venus terraformed mega project

Anonymous No. 16279771

Oh boy

Anonymous No. 16279892

>>16277314
Right now there is no point. In the distant future maybe, but we might just as well find out shit that will make this pointless as well. You wouldn't care about this shithole if you had FTL.

Anonymous No. 16280349

mars is, and will continue to be, uninhabitable due to the inability to support an atmosphere and the fact that the gravity would destroy visitors bodies over time (caridovascular, skeletal, muscular systems all wrecked). it also has absolutely no meaningful natural resources to sustain complex life, and the cost, complexity and energy required to send resources that would be consumed extremely quickly are such a poor return on investment. anyone trying to eke out an existence on this planet would have quality of life so poor, they would almost certainly become incredibly depressed, trapped in a poorly lit martian tunnel, completely unable to escape. this is why nobody has been to mars, nobody is going to mars, and nobody ever will.

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Anonymous No. 16280361

>>16277314
I imagine bioengineering people to be born capable of breathing Martian atmosphere through CRISPR or whatever would be the most plausible solution to the colonization issue

Anonymous No. 16280368

>>16280349
>fact that the gravity would destroy visitors bodies over time (caridovascular, skeletal, muscular systems all wrecked)
This is a cope because life isn't infinite so the quantity of years don't matter that much. Not much of a difference between living to 55 instead of 85 so who cares. You made a very religious and not a scientific argument.

🗑️ Anonymous No. 16281136

mmmnoyes

Anonymous No. 16281159

>>16277314
It's not about growing a plant, it's about installing ozone layer.

Anonymous No. 16281268

>>16277314
Lmao no. You can't just create water and atmosphere from nothing.

Anonymous No. 16281303

>>16280368
>Not much of a difference between living to 55 instead of 85 so who cares.
I would say the 90% of people who live to be significantly older than 55 care quite a lot.

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Anonymous No. 16281312

>>16277314
Yes, we should terraform Mars. We should also drop a few asteroids on earth and force humanity to migrate to space.

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Anonymous No. 16281342

>>16280349
there will be verdant fields under a plastic sky spanning the hellas basin. children born there will look at earth and thank god they aren't stuck there

Anonymous No. 16281469

>>16277314
Terraforming isnt real. You cant terraform, theres no way to do it. Mars in particular has too low of a gravity to hold to any atmosphere or water vapor.
Do you think you can just import quadrillions of tons of water to Mars and just dump them to make seas? Ha, it will steam away into space

Anonymous No. 16281563

>>16281469
Mars literally does have an atmosphere and clouds; though rare. There's no realistic way to terraform it without it going byebye over a couple thousand years though. Not even considering radiation because of no magnetic shielding.
I think we should be spreading live out as much as we can though, just in case it is actually rare and the Earth goes boom.

Anonymous No. 16281567

>>16281563
>There's no realistic way to terraform it without it going byebye over a couple thousand years though
Yes there is. Just turn down whatever mechanism you used in the first place to replace losses. Maintenance is way easier than doing it to begin with

Anonymous No. 16281571

>>16281567
I welcome the day retards like you are sterilized before you reach puberty.

Anonymous No. 16281573

>>16281571
very angry at how obviously correct I am, I accept your concession

Anonymous No. 16281576

>>16277314
Its not a should question. Its a when question and by who.

Anonymous No. 16281587

>>16281342
You hate Earth because of your own repulsive personality, you've ruined your own life through your own stupidity and now you dream of escaping from the hell you've imposed upon yourself.
lol

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Anonymous No. 16281596

Yes but Elon is still a moron.

(obviously he didnt come up with the whole Mars objective as an ideology. Thats coopted from Robert Zubrin, or before him Carl Sagan etc)

The reason he is a moron is because he thinks that this is a plan to somehow safeguard civilization from chaos in Earth, and he is currently brownosing some of the shittiest Collectivist Big Governments in existance (and/or their supporters) for twitter likes and "support".

But doesn't realize that the delta-v to merely "hit" Mars from Earth (rather than land) is fairly trivial. (in fact for an optimum trajectory/window, its less than landing on the Moon. Remember, I said "hit", not capture or slow down)

This means that if someone can already make it to the Moon (Russia/China) they can hit Mars.

The idea that if there is "Chaos" on Earth, governments that are so hateful that they destroy others near them (Ukraine/Taiwan) would live Mars alone to play space empire moronic.

So it takes a huge amount of payload and effort to kickstart a martian city, not to mention one that would even begin terraforming, and a relatively tiny "interplanetary ICBM" to do huge damage to make all fancy inflatable things on the surface concetrated somewhere go pop.

Anonymous No. 16281739

>>16278138
the nuclear arsenal has always been in the hands of unfit people.

Anonymous No. 16281749

>>16281596
the point isn't just to get to mars, the point is to create an robust space cargo transport economy.

If we can do that, we can go to other places and land there softly, millions of times.

fag

Anonymous No. 16281772

>>16278133
what about just futa without the immortality?

Anonymous No. 16281792

>>16281596
>months vs minutes of warning
shitty retard reddit space post

Anonymous No. 16282169

>bothering with Mars when Europa exists

Anonymous No. 16282186

>>16277314
Okay that's cool and all but how is the moss going to remelt the core and make it spin again

Anonymous No. 16282276

>>16277314
No. Stop asking this question. If you must terraform, try Venus. But right now, just don't in general. Focus on Terra and Luna for now.
>>16277318
This.

Anonymous No. 16282696

>>16281772
i'm sure being wrinkly and arthritic on purpose is also an option

Anonymous No. 16282746

>>16282169
what's so great about Europa? Almost no atmosphere and it's a 5 years long flight

Anonymous No. 16282810

>>16281567
Theres just nothing to gain from the effort. Just live in a hollow asteroid. You can have billions of those.

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Anonymous No. 16283147

>>16278133
>turn ourselves into hot immortal futa succubi

i wish

Anonymous No. 16283436

>>16277314
Yes. Planting a seed to possibly spawn an ecosystem where there's none isn't of any moral consideration.
Just go ahead, the sooner the better.

>>16282276
>Focus on Terra and Luna for now.
Moving matter from our planet is much more of an ethical dilemma. It won't be of use to future civilizations on Earth. It can be regarded as theft of valuable resources from the only life-sustaining planet we know of.

Anonymous No. 16283440

>>16282810
See it like spreading life, impregnation , having kids. It's what we do, even should do. To minimize the risks associated with having only one livable planet.
We won't get punished for failing, but rather awarded for trying.

Anonymous No. 16283441

>>16283436
You can't terraform Mars with seeds, you dumb faggots. You need multiple seas, rivers and other water phenomena; clouds; tree ecosystem; and more. You space freaks are the bane of humanity. Inb4 some dunce-fold academic posts a nonsensical reply in his retard language disagreeing with this.

Anonymous No. 16283446

>>16283441
It was metaphorical, you dumb faggot. Sterilizing equipment to not spread germs is autistic beyond comprehension.
If life can get a foothold beyond Earth it is as much of an success as finding already existing extraterrestrial life.
Don't be so neurotic.

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Anonymous No. 16283456

>>16281576
No one and never. Humanity is a cancerous disease and is on a trajectory of self-terminating.

Anonymous No. 16283458

>>16283456
Kill yourself.

Livestream link pls

Anonymous No. 16283463

>>16283441
And you also need the mechanisms to sustain them; active geology, plate tectonics, a carbon sink/cycle, a magnetosphere, and countless more prerequisites.

Anonymous No. 16283464

Space colonization is better done wide and sloppy, hit or miss, Chad way, than by the scientific method of planning, postulating and careful follow-ups.
Throw fistfuls of single-cellular life and its spores around and just wait thousands of years for something to spawn.
>WHAT IF IT ENDANGERS THE MARTIAN BETA BACTERIA THOUGH!!!
Life... finds a way.
The evolutionary background would likely be traceable to Earth and if it mixes with anything present it just means we contributed with something beneficial - diversity.

Anonymous No. 16283472

>>16278133
>impossible nonsense. Like terraforming Mars.
this
>>16283456
nonsense. (some) humans will change form, rather quickly in the grand scheme of things.
btw Nobody Wants to Die comes out tomorrow.

Anonymous No. 16283490

>>16283441
>>16283463
You sure know much about life in the only way we have observed it.
Life has existed here under very different circumstances however and in every new hostile environment explored we find it. EVERYWHERE on this planet!
It'll only spread from here from a devastating heavy impact throwing its simplest, hardiest building blocks out into space for it to dissipate in new places.
We have a responsibility do that ourselves when exploring.
>what if it comes back to eat or poison us in 44444444 years THOUGH?
At least we spawned it.

Anonymous No. 16283806

>>16283441
I think you are missing the point here. No properly educated person in their right mind would consider terraforming Mars plausible. As an academic exercise its interesting to examine as it brings a host of disciplines together, if only to arrive at the foregone conclusion. But that's not the only reason why we shouldn't entirely discount discussion on the topic, as I will explain.

There's a phrase "A little education enables stupid people to think of even stupider things". This is exactly the case here. Subhuman intellects, deriving their scientific knowledge from the back of cereal boxes, enamored by popsci, and the wild internet lies, will immediately jump on any bandwagon that promises them an escape from the mediocrity their massive profusion has bestowed upon this planet. Herein lies a great opportunity to undo the damage caused by the proliferation of ignorant peasants over the past two centuries. Send them to Mars. Let them buy into the terraforming nonsense, instead paint them great vistas of greening a brave new world where they leap around in 0.38 G while masturbating furiously to the sight of huge domed cities with a myriad of hoverboards zooming overhead like a cloud of sand-flies.
Now of course actually sending the bottom half of the bell curve to Mars would be too expensive. So instead we just take a train and decorate the outside of it to look like some sort of futuristic spaceship. Say its taking them to Mars. Make up some slick CGI videos to sell them on the idea, just say it was invented by Musk. We could probably get the stupid fucks to buy a ticket. Then drive the train through a tunnels where lasers firing intense gamma radiation bursts incinerate the occupants down to their constituent molecules. Air out the train. Rinse and repeat. Then, again using the latest AI and CGI, have our happy occupants send messages home "wish you were here" appearing as if they were actually on Mars rather than being a molecular gas cloud. Easy.

Anonymous No. 16283839

>>16283806
You know life doesn't require intelligence to be an amazing phenomenon.
If man-made space probes drop samples of the hardiest life forms in the least hostile areas of extraterrestrial bodies we have come a long way. Instead smart-assed neurotics like yourself seems to believe we must have the theoretical knowledge of exactly what life should look like for a different environment.
What if a handful of the spores from a mushroom that doesn't germinate on Earth could have germinated on the south pole of the moon, Mars, Europe etc. If we never get our D wet we're never going to spread from here.

Anonymous No. 16283852

>>16281587
I hate nothing but the ossification of a world with no where else to grow. Mars will grow and progress under a population of necessarily self selected engineers. It will be a place where children feel hope about the future.

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Anonymous No. 16284045

>>16283456
1. "Homo" is a Latin word and "techne" is a Greek word. This does not follow proper scientific naming conventions.
2. "Techne" is a noun, not an adjective. This means "Homo Techne" does not follow proper naming conventions.
3. You're a pseudointellectual faggot.

Anonymous No. 16284080

>>16283839
Again you are missing the point. Just imagine of we could over the course of generations eradicate the penis brained inhabitants of this planet, such as yourself, by sending them on fake Mars missions. Then the rest of Humanity could get on with real science without you retards regurgitating 70 year old planet seeding scifi memes as if it were some wonderful new revelation.
Imagine a world without you dumb cunts. It would be a paradise.

Anonymous No. 16284131

>>16277314
We should leave it alone, until we're absolutely certain that no form of life is present in it's caves.

Anonymous No. 16284170

>>16284045
Also spoke Homo Faggoticus.

Anonymous No. 16284198

>>16284170
>no u
Kill yourself, reddit transplant

Anonymous No. 16284519

>>16277314
>Should We Terraform Mars
Yes. But only as an amusement park for disabled black kids.

Anonymous No. 16284539

>>16278096
Who cares? It'd be done no matter what if it could be, but we're as close to terraforming Mars as we are to building a fucking warp drive.

I'd love it if it weren't so, but Mars is an inhospitable hellhole that makes Antarctica look habitable. At least that place has Earth's gravity. It's so far beyond our capabilities to make it livable that we'd be better off focusing on the warp drive, as at least then we could just plonk on somewhere without having to spend thousands of years to make it decent.

Anonymous No. 16284543

>>16280361

Why bother? This is a planet that can't even support fucking moss and you wanna put PEOPLE on it?

That's just cruel. Even Siberian prison colonies are less shitty than Mars. Nobody should be so unfortunate as to liive there.

Anonymous No. 16284545

>>16277314
I know it's not MY tax dollars, but what's the point of paying these expensive PhDs to wonder about "terraforming" some barren rock with a shitty atmosphere and next to no radiation protection?
just put these chinks on to work towards better batteries and magnets.

Anonymous No. 16284657

>>16284543
I disagree. I can think of plenty of people who should be sent to Mars. Flat earthers. Religious fundamentalists. Evolution deniers. And especially the fuckwits who talk about terraforming Mars. I think they should all be sent off to Mars to give it a go. Without spacesuits. It would be worth the expense.

Anonymous No. 16285260

>>16284198
why so triggered anon-kun?

Anonymous No. 16285278

>>16277314
No. Build O'neill Cylinders instead. Such a project would cost more in time, money and resources than every other Earth-based megaproject in history put together but it would still be pocket change compared to a terraforming project. Quicker too. The difference between a century and a millennium.

Anonymous No. 16285959

>>16285278
Good idea. Then fill them with the shitheads who want to terraform planets and set the cylinder on an irreversible course for the sun.

Anonymous No. 16285967

>>16277314
Why do people talk about colonizing Mars and shit when it would be infinitely easier to colonize places like Antarctica and the bottom of the ocean?

Anonymous No. 16286065

>>16285967
Colonising the bottom of the ocean makes less sense than colonising Mars

Anonymous No. 16286094

>>16281567
Mars has limited water resources, and solar radiation will always eventually strip away a thick Martian atmosphere.

Anonymous No. 16286423

where can we go with it?

Anonymous No. 16287282

>>16285967
Colonizing antarctica is unfortunately prohibited by treaty but they did find a whole bunch of oil there so once the treaty lifts expect a scramble for antarctica.

Anonymous No. 16287395

>>16283456
Did you wake up and choose to be an insufferable op-ed for the NYT? Or were you bless by God and all the angels to be a stinky hopeless grouch.

Anonymous No. 16288028

>>16277314
>Should We Terraform Mars
Not until we demonstrate we can terraform Earth.

Anonymous No. 16288038

>>16288028
We have already done that smoothbrain by changing the ecological community of some areas. My state used to have a lot more tall grass prairie but a lot of that has disappeared into oak and hickory forests.

Anonymous No. 16288118

>>16286065
There can be no doubt that you are far too stupid to understand what a hopeless fucktard you are.
>>16288038
You are probably the same fucktard. But if not then take a moment to reflect upon your incredible levels of imbecility and shut the fuck up.

Anonymous No. 16288423

>>16283440
Yes but you can have billions of hollow asteroids, each with millions of people. You can travel to the stars inside a hollow asteroid, close the hatch for 20.000 years

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Cult of Passion No. 16288468

>>16278745
Based fellow death-world enjoyer.

Venus has always been a Russian planet, comrade.

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Cult of Passion No. 16288470

>>16288468
>68
>(not quite talkin')
>"We think that Venus is a Russian planet, so we shouldn't lag behind," Rogozin, a former deputy prime minister, told reporters"
Yeah, I dont speak bourgeois destinations, Holy Borg.

Anonymous No. 16288722

>>16277314
Why terraform when you can just dig a big hole and do all the same shit for less money and time underground?

Anonymous No. 16289322

>>16278138
>the nuclear arsenal will be in the hands of wholly unfit people in about a century or two
you meant a decade or two, right?

Anonymous No. 16289361

You need a molten lead core so you can get magnetism so it will stop the solar winds from cooking everything. Also if you watch an up to date documentary on the Moon we wouldn't be here with out it.

Anonymous No. 16289630

The idea of colonizing Mars serves as a very useful copium for people of poor education and low intelligence. Its is amusing though to hear their fantasies, like watching the antics of some primitive tribe

Anonymous No. 16289911

>>16277318
They can, gigaton nukes to melt the permafrost under the soil and vaporized rocks into new atmosphere

Anonymous No. 16290136

>>16278096
What are you going to do, call the space police?

Anonymous No. 16290284

>>16278096
We never signed that treaty, Jodl.

Anonymous No. 16290293

>>16281563
> A couple thousand years
You're off by a factor of a hundred.
Atmospheric erosion via solar winds is an exceptionally slow process.
Lack of a magnetosphere and low gravity are far more pressing challenges for short-term habitation.
Long-term habitation is a pipe dream. With roughly 20% the mass of Earth, Mars is simply not similar enough to our homeworld to be a viable candidate for terraforming.

tl;dr: Mars might make for a decent outpost, but would be a poor colony.

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>>16278138

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Anonymous No. 16291661

>>16278366
Asteroids will be easier to mine, but I'm with ya, bro.

Anonymous No. 16291667

>>16278745
Duckweed in Venus' atmosphere might eat a lot of CO2.