Anonymous at Thu, 11 Jul 2024 17:17:21 UTC No. 16277522

I am both.

I live on 4 hours of sleep.

Anonymous at Thu, 11 Jul 2024 17:26:53 UTC No. 16277536

>>16277507
Niggas will say they’re a night owl and then doom scroll instagram and Reddit until 4 am

Anonymous at Thu, 11 Jul 2024 18:08:24 UTC No. 16277608

>>16277507
>theguardian
Don't link retarded media, post the article or at least a scientific website

Anonymous at Thu, 11 Jul 2024 18:10:36 UTC No. 16277613

>>16277507
Because jews want to squeeze maximum profits from sunrise to sunset

Anonymous at Thu, 11 Jul 2024 18:14:08 UTC No. 16277618

>>16277507
Different study, different results.
Sleep duration, chronotype, health and lifestyle factors affect cognition: a UK Biobank cross-sectional study
https://bmjpublichealth.bmj.com/content/2/1/e001000

Anonymous at Thu, 11 Jul 2024 18:16:45 UTC No. 16277622

>>16277618
That's the actual study, the media is just retarded in how they've interpreted the results.

Anonymous at Thu, 11 Jul 2024 23:08:24 UTC No. 16277967

I used to be a night owl. As far back as second grade I would stay up for an hour or more every night, unable to sleep. I always knew something was wrong or unusual about me, and not understanding sleep disorders because I was a literal child I called myself nocturnal. My parents, teachers, nor pediatrician took me seriously however and blamed other various things, and my disorder went unaddressed. I was always late to school and nobody listened as to why. In highschool, my disorder worsened. It started during quarantine which made it harder to find reason to wake up early, and I more often than not missed my classes. Eventually we had a partial transition to in person classes which started at like 10am rather than 8:30am which I had success attending on time. For my senior year (last for non-Americans) where I had an empty period I thought I could go back to morning classes since I had adapted to being on time for the later schedule. I couldn’t. Every day I was late and my sleep disorder worsened to the point where I was missing most days and half the day when I managed to show up. I simply slept through most of the day. I told my family and special ed teachers about this but received no help. It got to the point where it was easier to stay up all night to attend than sleep earlier. And because I was missing so many days, was not receiving accommodation, and at one point got unenrolled for 14 consecutive absences I felt I had little choice. I had to stay up late until dusk gave way to dawn in order to attend school.

And that’s the problem.

My whole life I had delayed sleep phase disorder, or DSPD.

It causes people to stay up very late in order to rest properly.

One treatment for DSPD is chronotherapy. It works by delaying the time you go to sleep a little bit every day until you sleep at a normal time.

However, it carries a great risk. You can develop non 24 sleep disorder (n24).

DSPD is having a bad schedule.

N24 is having no schedule.

I got N24.

Anonymous at Thu, 11 Jul 2024 23:29:27 UTC No. 16277989

>>16277967
With DSPD, you can still have a schedule. You’re up later than other people but there are still night jobs and things you can get.

With N24, you have no schedule. You might be able to wake up for something today but you might not be able to do so at the same time next week. I might wake up at 1:30am today and go to bed then one or two weeks later. Not being able to keep a schedule makes it impossible to get and keep most jobs because eventually you’ll start sleeping through them and getting fired.

With DSPD in the USA schools actually have a legal requirement to provide reasonable accommodations for it because it’s protected under the ADA. If somebody had listened to me, I could’ve avoided so many headaches throughout my childhood and probably wouldn’t have developed N24. Particularly ironic considering I was in special ed and research is finding ADHD to be correlated with DSPD and Autism with sleep orders in general. You’d hope the people who look after children with developmental disabilities would look for signs of concerning or abnormal development.

But nobody did listen to me, and here I am.

If you take one thing from my story let it be this:
Take sleep disorders seriously, and pay attention when you think people have them. Life for myself and my family could’ve been so much easier, but was not.

If you take a second thing, let it be this:
Sleep hygiene is not an effective treatment for most sleep disorders and is used to dismiss people’s concerns.

Anonymous at Thu, 11 Jul 2024 23:45:05 UTC No. 16278007

>>16277618
Thank you, that's why the source is important. Don't link retarded main stream media.

Anonymous at Thu, 11 Jul 2024 23:54:38 UTC No. 16278023

>>16277507
>sleep in for peak performance
not surprising

🗑️ Anonymous at Fri, 12 Jul 2024 05:29:59 UTC No. 16278266

>>16277507
you sure do seem to like talking about yourself on social media

Anonymous at Fri, 12 Jul 2024 11:23:26 UTC No. 16278580

>>16277967
>>16277989
Life hack: When you get too many timezones over, you're supposed to hit the Zzzquil to reset.0TXDV

Anonymous at Fri, 12 Jul 2024 12:50:44 UTC No. 16278671

>>16277507
>The reason I'm underemployed and unaccomplished isn't because I'm dumb and lazy. It's because I'm one of those night owls with a superior intellect. All my life I've had jobs supervised by retarded early risers, so I could never function anywhere near my peak
This is literally true. I like staying up late and getting 11am but every single job I ever worked required me to start work at 8 or 9 AM

Anonymous at Fri, 12 Jul 2024 13:00:30 UTC No. 16278683

NPCs are night owl.
Superior people get up early and devoid their energy to waht they like.

Night owl use their shitty late spare time after 1 day of work who get them tired kek

Anonymous at Sat, 13 Jul 2024 09:14:49 UTC No. 16280058

>>16277967
>It got to the point where it was easier to stay up all night to attend than sleep earlier
Sounds familiar lol

I've had N24 sleep for years. It's a real bitch, but it is actually possible to stabilize.
All you have to do, I've found, is follow a couple rules:

>Morning Light
If you look at the Phase Response Curve (PRC) in picrel, our peak sensitivity to morning light exposure is actually several hours BEFORE you wake up.
Those shitty light boxes are a meme. What you really want is a timer switch that will turn on a light 2-3 hours /before/ you wake up, for peak phase advance.
>General lighting
If you read the studies where they induced N24 in normal people, you'll see they used room lightings below 50lx. You can download a phone app (eg Phyphox) that lets measure your room's lighting.
Chances are you keep your living space too dark. Light levels of 180lx or higher are required for proper circadian regulation! (Indoor lighting is usually 300lx. Sunlight is 3000-150,000lx. I was keeping my room at 1lx)
>No coffee after noon.
I've quit drinking it entirely, it does you no good.
>Melatonin
Any dose works. I find it's best to remember your wake-up time, then time it for 10-14 hours after that (see the peak in picrel). 10 hours post-wake will drag you backwards slightly, which is good if your habit ever slips up, and 14 hours post-wake seems to be good for maintenance.
>Exercise
A 10 minute walk every 1-2 days, any time before lunch, seems to help

The treatments prescribed by doctors, IME, are too mild. You especially have to be more aggressive with the morning light, as that's your biggest phase advance. But nevertheless, it is possible to fix a broken sleep cycle. Lifestyle changes are a pain in the ass to instill, and I dragged my feet for years. But if you ever feel like changing for the better, it is definitely possible.
And hopefully, these techniques will be able to help those with delayed sleep too, before they ruin their lives like we did.

Anonymous at Sat, 13 Jul 2024 13:09:10 UTC No. 16280219

>>16280058
>light stuff
Something I’ve noticed is that I’m very sensitive to sunlight. On a bright day looking anywhere while outside hurts, not just at or near the sun.
>>No coffee after noon.
>I've quit drinking it entirely, it does you no good.
Honestly I’m not sure I’m actually affected by caffeine. I tried coffee once and it made me sick for hours, very nauseous and falling in and out of sleep. I’ve been meaning to try caffeine tablets to finally test this but I keep forgetting to.
>Exercise
>A 10 minute walk every 1-2 days, any time before lunch, seems to help
I probably pace for hours every day. It’s interesting because while I don’t think of myself as a particularly active person as I don’t have designated exercise times a lot of metrics consider me very active. I avoid intense activity though, as there’s something about a lot of cardio that makes the way I’m breathing and my heartbeat feel awful. My muscular endurance seems fine, maybe even better than average, but I get winded very easily.
>But if you ever feel like changing for the better, it is definitely possible.
That’s the thing, I kind of like being disordered. I get to see stuff others don’t by virtue of being up at every hour. It also makes it easier to avoid other people. We always hear about how dangerous it is to walk outside at night, and how people, women especially, don’t feel safe, but I actually feel the opposite way. I feel safer walking at night than at day. Being around other people makes me anxious and they often seem to be afraid of me, and I worry that my normal behaviors read as criminal to them and one day I could face violence for it. When I go outside at 3am there are no other people, thus no problem. The cloak of the darkness of night feels comforting and protective.

Anonymous at Sun, 14 Jul 2024 13:48:57 UTC No. 16281355

>>16280219
>Something I’ve noticed is that I’m very sensitive to sunlight.
Same, sunlight is eye rape, computer screens on lowest brightness settings. Several studies have shown that people with DPSD and N24 are unusually sensitive to light. If <50lux is all it takes to makes normies free-run, then our inclination towards dim settings might be the core issue.

Anonymous at Sun, 14 Jul 2024 17:58:09 UTC No. 16281518

>>16280058
thanks, i've had n24 for years. i've done some of that and seen it help maybe i can fix it sometime

Anonymous at Sun, 14 Jul 2024 18:08:57 UTC No. 16281529

>>16280058
Yes many thanks. The other retard that greentexted this has extremely low self awareness and thinks theyre a snowflake. i've slowed the cycling down by not drinking caffeine before bed alone. i've also seen it slow down by just spending some time outside. i measured my room's light and it's sub-100 in most parts at peak (mostly because my shitty monitor gets hard to see above that) so i'll try fixing that thanks

Anonymous at Sun, 14 Jul 2024 19:07:20 UTC No. 16281569

>>16281355
>>16280058
>>16280219

holy shit

this entire thread is full of problems I face daily, and have for most of my life, but this shit takes the cake.

I've known I have these problems, but I never put light-sensitivity on the chopping block of noticeable things. Always just assumed it was because I've been a nightowl since I was ~6 yrs old. Huge issue to not try to go to sleep for me if it's not in a very dark room anymore.

Mirin' your night time appreciation though.


How do y'all feel about loud music? Or more appropriately, sound sensitivity.
I enjoy loud music but I'm not sure if it's some personality trait of mine to be unnervingly perturbed by sounds against the silence my mind becomes accustomed to