Barkon Approved Post at Thu, 11 Jul 2024 19:04:24 UTC No. 16277683

Depends if you use anti-metal or not! LAWL

Anonymous at Thu, 11 Jul 2024 19:12:05 UTC No. 16277698

>>16277681
[math]\frac {Oil \space reserves \space +\space Oil \space extracted}{30 \space million \space years}[/math]
It's a very good and optimistic estimation. Or in other words we are using oil 1 million times faster than it creates. "Alternative" energy is more about (not giving too much power to redacted) avoid the energy bottleneck.

Barkon Approved Post at Thu, 11 Jul 2024 19:22:45 UTC No. 16277718

>>16277698
If you had anti-metal crystals you could replenish all oil within 3 months.

Barkon Approved Post at Thu, 11 Jul 2024 19:23:46 UTC No. 16277721

>>16277718
I... Feel strange... All of a sud---- AAAAAAAGGhh helo

Anonymous at Thu, 11 Jul 2024 19:31:36 UTC No. 16277735

>>16277698
"alternative" is pushed on the west while the new, apparently rising power in the east is using oil, coal and gas without limit.
so is 'alternative' just a way to destroy the west in favor of the east?

Anonymous at Thu, 11 Jul 2024 19:36:07 UTC No. 16277740

>>16277718
I will turn you into oil mfcker

Anonymous at Thu, 11 Jul 2024 19:39:24 UTC No. 16277744

>>16277735
>in the east
China use of coal has plateau in a max since 2010, they're improving efficiency and closing older plants.
>oil
that's related to transport, even so they're by far the largest producer of car batteries and EVs (most of them are for cities only)

>gas
gas is the new meme of current era, both in China and the west.

>to destroy the west in favor of the east?
No, the problem in the west is the depletion of energy sources and the reliance in less than desirable countries. In the same time there're a lot of more stable countries and ways to "direct constructively the energy market" that aren't being taken advantage off because things like biofuels failed and the "hydrogen" economy still isn't real.

Barkon Approved Post at Thu, 11 Jul 2024 19:40:05 UTC No. 16277746

Enough.

Anonymous at Thu, 11 Jul 2024 19:40:54 UTC No. 16277747

>>16277744
China's consumption of coal*

Anonymous at Thu, 11 Jul 2024 19:58:34 UTC No. 16277780

>>16277681
Millions of years...

Anonymous at Thu, 11 Jul 2024 21:08:57 UTC No. 16277866

>>16277744
>China use of coal has plateau in a max since 2010
Seems to be ticking up again

Anonymous at Thu, 11 Jul 2024 21:35:18 UTC No. 16277889

>16277866
>Seems to be ticking up again
Yeah, I searched recent data after posting that, they increased the production in 10-20%, probably related to the energy price inflation.
Wasn't China supposed to be buying cheaper oil from Russia? Maybe their energy intensive industry is backfiring because of plateaued efficiency so they can't keep growing without using more coal.

Anonymous at Thu, 11 Jul 2024 21:40:47 UTC No. 16277894

>>16277681
Coal is made fairly easily. Set a dense forest on fire with lightning and any charcoal buried in the debris is usable coal. You can make coal at home by burning contained wood (maybe dirt or a metal bin). Mined coal comes from the Carboniferous, when organisms at the time weren't able to decompose the newly evolved trees.

Oil comes from the Mesozoic, where the the warm climate and breakup of Pangaea meant there were more shallow waters for microbes like zooplankton, algae, and phytoplankton to thrive, die, then get buried under the soil. Oil is often mined today in those now waterless shallow basins. It takes a long time to accumulate this oil.

Overall, oil has like 50-100 years left. Coal and gas have like less than 200. Nice that renewables have gotten more traction

Anonymous at Thu, 11 Jul 2024 21:43:16 UTC No. 16277896

>>16277866
>>16277889

Anonymous at Thu, 11 Jul 2024 21:44:17 UTC No. 16277901

>>16277894
>Coal is made fairly easily.
Well, that ignores the EROI. Biofuels have a problematic balance right now.

Anonymous at Thu, 11 Jul 2024 22:41:49 UTC No. 16277940

>>16277889
I wonder how accurate the data is. There's a lot of incentive for China to understate it's dirty energy usage.

Anonymous at Thu, 11 Jul 2024 22:50:16 UTC No. 16277950

>>16277744
>China use of coal has plateau in a max since 2010,
Not true, it has increased since 2010, and China now uses more coal than the rest of the planet combined.

Anonymous at Thu, 11 Jul 2024 22:52:28 UTC No. 16277954

>>16277894
>gas have like less than 200
Natural gas is abiotic though. It's produced in the mantle via serpentinization of olivine and other minerals.

Anonymous at Thu, 11 Jul 2024 22:58:43 UTC No. 16277963

>>16277950
the coal component is almost constant since 2011 in that plot. (310 px 2011, 340 2013 to 340 px 2020)

Anonymous at Thu, 11 Jul 2024 23:19:34 UTC No. 16277979

>>16277698
Why does "Alternative" energy need government interference to push, if free market forces will naturally reduce use of O&G as their extraction cost rises?

Anonymous at Thu, 11 Jul 2024 23:29:37 UTC No. 16277990

>>16277979
>need government interference to push,
Because since 1970 energy is related to geopolitics...

> free market forces will naturally reduce use of O&G as their extraction cost rises?
Free market is a overly simplification when irl you can't even make semiconductors for example. Forcing the economy to achieve the own comparative advantage or reduce the others advantages is a thing. Of course, the problem is using that to push agendas suspiciously similar to keynesianism or socialism even.

>Pure free market
Where's my free (of freedom) military? Idealism is ok but you need to be relevant irl. All the discussion of FM explodes one you thing in agents and how incompetent is most of the population.

Anonymous at Fri, 12 Jul 2024 01:40:14 UTC No. 16278110

>>16277718
This. Or if the Vatican didn't hide The Oil Prayer, we could pray oil to replenish and it would.