Anonymous at Thu, 11 Jul 2024 20:32:00 UTC No. 16277817

It means they can increase the number of people buying vegan fake foods like fake meat instead of actual food.
For the companies that make that toxic processed crap it means they can make more sales.

Anonymous at Thu, 11 Jul 2024 20:34:28 UTC No. 16277821

>>16277801
LMAO, the fact the population living there didn't dismember and burn alive all their politicians and billionaires is enough evidence they were born to be slaves.

Anonymous at Thu, 11 Jul 2024 22:10:43 UTC No. 16277920

>>16277801
>Raising crops with tractors has a much higher CO2 emission rate than raising livestock does
Same hell. And don't forget that livestck have to eat and drink too.

And we can't live without crop. We can live without livestock.

Anonymous at Thu, 11 Jul 2024 22:57:40 UTC No. 16277961

>>16277801
>Raising crops with tractors has a much higher CO2 emission rate than raising livestock does.
Incorrect.

Anonymous at Thu, 11 Jul 2024 23:31:46 UTC No. 16277993

>>16277801
>Raising crops
80% of current crops is used up by livestock

Anonymous at Thu, 11 Jul 2024 23:40:10 UTC No. 16277997

>>16277993
that's a misleading statistic

Anonymous at Thu, 11 Jul 2024 23:49:41 UTC No. 16278016

>>16277801
>How does forcing everyone to be vegan prevent global warming? Raising crops with tractors has a much higher CO2 emission rate than raising livestock does.

What do the livestock eat? Most agriculture feeds animals.

If I start a garden and eat the crops directly, I get more energy than if I fed the crops to rabbits then eat the rabbits. Animals require more farmland and energy waste. We use them because they taste good and they make nutrition easier.

Anonymous at Fri, 12 Jul 2024 05:18:47 UTC No. 16278253

>>16277993
Livestock is the world’s largest user of land resources, with pasture and arable land dedicated to the production of feed representing almost 80% of the total agricultural land. One-third of global arable land is used to grow feed, while 26% of the Earth’s ice-free terrestrial surface is used for grazing.

Anonymous at Fri, 12 Jul 2024 05:35:24 UTC No. 16278275

>>16277997
You're right. Since livestock (other than chickens which are almost 1:1, albeit with an associated water cost) convert crops to calories at a much shittier rate than crops directly eaten by humans do, that land usage is actually much worse than it sounds, since a much smaller area would be used if we didn't consume animals.

Or are you one of those "actually it's all pastures for grazing and none of that land is actually crops grown for animals to eat" motherfuckers who acts like nobody knows what corn-fed beef is?

Anonymous at Fri, 12 Jul 2024 06:51:08 UTC No. 16278370

>>16277801
>vegan
plant-based diets aren't vegan diets, dummy

Anonymous at Fri, 12 Jul 2024 06:52:32 UTC No. 16278373

>>16277801
>forcing
you own image says "RECOMMENDS"

Anonymous at Fri, 12 Jul 2024 09:26:22 UTC No. 16278499

>>16277993
>>16278275
is that in australia? i think cattle is generally grain finished during the last 100 or so days.
would it be better if the land wasn't utilized for cattle? there is probably not much other use for it. you can't grow crops there. this way cows are eating mostly "grass" and then finished with grain that people probably don't want to eat anyway

Anonymous at Fri, 12 Jul 2024 11:30:14 UTC No. 16278587

>>16277920
>And don't forget that livestck have to eat and drink too.
dumb piece of shit. They have pastures for days in Australia.
>nooo, animals drinking/pissing is hecking killing the planet
retard
>And we can't live without crop. We can live without livestock.
go raise rice on that dried up grassland then, fuckwit

Anonymous at Fri, 12 Jul 2024 11:34:36 UTC No. 16278592

>>16277920
>And we can't live without crop
why not?

Anonymous at Fri, 12 Jul 2024 12:09:00 UTC No. 16278635

>>16278499
>grain that people probably don't want to eat anyway
Wat?

Anonymous at Fri, 12 Jul 2024 12:10:50 UTC No. 16278639

>>16278635
i'm guessing it is the shittier grain

Anonymous at Fri, 12 Jul 2024 12:18:46 UTC No. 16278644

>>16277801
With no mass extinction events, humans would not have evolved. Climate change isn't necessarily a bad thing. It'll create opportunities.

Anonymous at Fri, 12 Jul 2024 12:30:35 UTC No. 16278655

>>16277801
They want to rule over a brown, retarded and weak subhumanity unable to revolt, forever.

Anonymous at Fri, 12 Jul 2024 12:49:30 UTC No. 16278669

>>16278639
For argument's sake it is the shittier grain, why would the shittier grain have to be grown if we weren't feeding animals? Why not grow less shitty grain in its place?

Anonymous at Fri, 12 Jul 2024 13:00:39 UTC No. 16278684

>>16277993
>80%
Source for this figure please

Anonymous at Fri, 12 Jul 2024 13:05:14 UTC No. 16278689

>>16278669
feed wheats and culinary wheats have different properties, farmers tend to prefer high yield over specific constituemts essential for bread or pastry making
but the reason this wheat or other cereal is fed to cattle is that it allows a higher energy supply to bring the animal to a fattened state for finishing, the proportion of this grain ration is a small fraction of their total lifetime forage consumption because it's cheaper

Anonymous at Fri, 12 Jul 2024 13:22:11 UTC No. 16278702

>>16278669
i'm guessing they don't deliberately grow shitty feed grade grain. but the shitty grain that does grow will be feed, and that includes the byproducts and waste from food grade grain such as the chaff

Anonymous at Fri, 12 Jul 2024 13:23:58 UTC No. 16278704

>>16278689
>the proportion of this grain ration is a small fraction of their total lifetime forage consumption because it's cheaper
Lol no. They're fed tons of fodder. The stocking densities are always too high for grazing alone to be able to support the animal. The closest thing any American gets is "free ranging" in the states where it's other people's responsibility to keep your cows from jumping their fence and eating all their silage, but that's trespassing and theft, not grazing.

Anonymous at Fri, 12 Jul 2024 13:24:59 UTC No. 16278708

>>16278702
>and that includes the byproducts and waste from food grade grain such as the chaff
Nope.

Anonymous at Fri, 12 Jul 2024 13:29:45 UTC No. 16278714

>>16277801
>>16278370
>>16278373
OP is a disingenuous piece of shit idiot.
Fuck off OP

Anonymous at Fri, 12 Jul 2024 13:30:54 UTC No. 16278719

>>16278708
nope what?

Anonymous at Fri, 12 Jul 2024 13:32:18 UTC No. 16278721

>>16278704
this is in australia

Anonymous at Fri, 12 Jul 2024 13:32:41 UTC No. 16278722

>>16278704
How illiterate are you?

Anonymous at Fri, 12 Jul 2024 13:35:27 UTC No. 16278726

>>16277801
it doesn't, veganism is about being nice to animals for emotional, political, philosophical, or even religious reasons, they only latched onto the climate angle because that's popular as well

Anonymous at Sat, 13 Jul 2024 01:17:24 UTC No. 16279674

yarra city council is a joke amongst australians. don't tar us all with the same brush bros

Anonymous at Sat, 13 Jul 2024 01:40:12 UTC No. 16279687

>>16277801
You know, that'd be a good point if any of this was based in reality to start with. The big money pushes the narrative. There is hardly causation between global temperature and CO2. And if you scream in fear with the wild graphs of recent temperature records, frosty they are intentionally heightened by measuring near asphalt instead of areas that reasonably represent actual temperature. And also, old historical data is digitally filtered by a low-pass averaging because as soon as you need to take carbon dated samples, you have a plus or minus some massive timeframe to deal with so the idiots in the research papers always add a bunch together and average them to get a more confident result. Unfortunately this has the massive downside of averaging over a window of time which removes all high frequency noise from the historical data. Whereas today we can go wildly up and down in comparison because we have the "realtime" data, even as manipulated as it is.

Anonymous at Sat, 13 Jul 2024 01:44:03 UTC No. 16279692

It does in a vacuum, but we do not primarily raise livestock via freeranging. The same agricultural system producing crops for human consumption is also producing feed for animal consumption. Think of livestock as a higher trophic level to relate it to the basic middle school science classes we all go.

Anonymous at Sat, 13 Jul 2024 01:48:50 UTC No. 16279695

>>16277801
>the plan recommends residents switch to a plant-based diet
>forced
/pol/ teir thread

Anonymous at Sat, 13 Jul 2024 02:32:16 UTC No. 16279732

>>16278719
>>16278721
>>16278722
Ah, yes. Lush and fertile Australia, known for its rich pastures. Are you all retarded? Why don't you learn about how cattle are actually raised instead of falling for the dumbest shit imaginable.

Anonymous at Sat, 13 Jul 2024 02:49:20 UTC No. 16279749

>>16279732
they are "grass" fed and grain finished. australia has big cattle stations with not a lot of cows in them. it doesn't have to be very fertile as cows move around. it makes the land suitable to raising cattle and not crowing crops

Anonymous at Sat, 13 Jul 2024 03:18:59 UTC No. 16279787

>>16279749
>Put cows in a dry ass pasture
>Install water trough
>Import hay from halfway around the world
>"Look! They're pasture raised! I'm doing regenerative agriculture!"

Anonymous at Sat, 13 Jul 2024 04:04:39 UTC No. 16279837

>>16279787
?

Anonymous at Sat, 13 Jul 2024 04:31:14 UTC No. 16279862

>>16279787

Anonymous at Sat, 13 Jul 2024 04:33:37 UTC No. 16279866

>>16279732
>Lush and fertile Australia, known for its rich pastures
Sure, Australia has out of control herds of camels, emu, wild pigs, rabbits and all sorts of other creatures overrunning it's wilderness because there is just nothing at all for animals to eat in the outback.

Anonymous at Sat, 13 Jul 2024 05:01:34 UTC No. 16279895

>>16279862
invasives vs natives

Anonymous at Sat, 13 Jul 2024 05:04:13 UTC No. 16279899

>>16279837
You'll understand eventually.

>>16279862
See
>>16279787

>>16279866
Interestingly no cattle on that list. You'd think that if cattle could be supported by the Australian outback there'd be some population of wild cattle like the Nazi cows in the US. They're strangely absent.

Anonymous at Sat, 13 Jul 2024 05:07:53 UTC No. 16279903

>>16279899
>Interestingly no cattle on that list.
there is lots of wild cattle

Anonymous at Sat, 13 Jul 2024 05:12:38 UTC No. 16279908

>>16279903
You're joking, right? All of the wild cattle in Australia are on a tiny northern peninsula in a wildly different climate from the average Australian climate or the climate in this image >>16279749

Anonymous at Sat, 13 Jul 2024 05:22:37 UTC No. 16279915

>>16279908
see >>16278499
cows are farmed on the bits that support cows. they are largely grass fed, and then finished with wheat from australia that is not suitable for people. not sure why this bothers you so much. you should be happy that raising cattle is more efficient than just crops

🗑️ Anonymous at Sat, 13 Jul 2024 06:38:08 UTC No. 16279968

🗑️ Anonymous at Sat, 13 Jul 2024 06:44:28 UTC No. 16279971

>>16279749
>cows move around
Thats what makes raising animals require so much less fuel to be burned compared to raising crops. They walk themselves to their food, they walk themselves to their water, they walk themselves back home at night if they're being kept in a barn, they'll even walk themselves to the slaughterhouse. Plants need to have everything brought to them and they need to be harvested, processed and then shipped to get where they're going, all of which is done with tractors and trucks

Anonymous at Sat, 13 Jul 2024 08:25:38 UTC No. 16280034

>>16279732
>Ah, yes. Lush and fertile Australia, known for its rich pastures.
are you kidding mate? Australia has some great dairy ground

Anonymous at Sat, 13 Jul 2024 09:12:28 UTC No. 16280056

>>16279895
Wow, you can identify invasive vs native plants from one low-resolution picture? Are you a botanist specialising in Sub-Saharan africa grasses? Have you spent a lot of time in South Africa?

🗑️ Anonymous at Sat, 13 Jul 2024 09:19:13 UTC No. 16280065

>>16280056
>""""environmentalist""""" when seeing a much field of plants: "REEEEEE THEY'RE NOT NATIVE!!!!!!"
>""""environmentalist""""" when seeing a foreigners overrun white nations: "hooray they're not native!!!!!"

Anonymous at Sat, 13 Jul 2024 14:22:38 UTC No. 16280268

>>16277993
Livestock eat what we would consider waste product. It's not like we're feeding cows fresh apples and green beans.

Anonymous at Sat, 13 Jul 2024 22:58:14 UTC No. 16280768

>>16277801
No, but it will help ensure that you and your progeny remain small, so that they can control and rape you easier and pretend you are children. Hard to learn, I know, but it is the truth.

Anonymous at Sun, 14 Jul 2024 01:12:24 UTC No. 16280877

>>16279908
ferral cattle are one of the major invasive species in australia, they're highly prevalent, just not as famous as the emus, pigs, camels and rabbits

Anonymous at Sun, 14 Jul 2024 04:11:15 UTC No. 16280996

Getting rid of cows would cause all sorts of unintended consequences, it would be just like when Mao caused a massive famine by trying to get rid of birds

Anonymous at Sun, 14 Jul 2024 04:12:21 UTC No. 16280997

>>16277993
source?

Anonymous at Mon, 15 Jul 2024 04:40:07 UTC No. 16281995

>>16280997
my headcannon from my vegan brain thats in a state of decay due to the nutritional deficiencies I force on myself

Anonymous at Mon, 15 Jul 2024 16:06:56 UTC No. 16282529

>>16278016
>If I start a garden and eat the crops directly, I get more energy than if I fed the crops to rabbits then eat the rabbits.
Wrong. Herbivores make a lot better use of plants than us. Not only are their bodies more efficient at breaking down plant matter, a lot more of the plant is edible to herbivores.

Anonymous at Tue, 16 Jul 2024 02:12:14 UTC No. 16283094

>>16277801
What difference does it make when the developing world is increasing faster than we can decrease?

Anonymous at Tue, 16 Jul 2024 04:41:28 UTC No. 16283164

>>16283094
It's all virtue signaling. Most of these so-called "environmentalists" and "vegans" don't think beyond their immediate feelings.

Anonymous at Tue, 16 Jul 2024 04:42:41 UTC No. 16283165

>>16277821
Literally this.

Anonymous at Tue, 16 Jul 2024 04:46:08 UTC No. 16283168

Australia literally has some of the largest cattle ranches and shit on the planet.

Anonymous at Tue, 16 Jul 2024 14:46:24 UTC No. 16283544

>>16283164
Yeah, I am watching a few animal rights activist channels and they are all the same type of emotions driven person. They also don't give a shit about laws or other people. They believe they are morally right and can therefore do anything they want.All critiques are immediately swarmed by emotional sandbags.

Anonymous at Tue, 16 Jul 2024 15:12:54 UTC No. 16283570

It doesn't

Anonymous at Tue, 16 Jul 2024 18:17:09 UTC No. 16283829

>>16277801
CO2 is good and we should release as much as we possibly can as fast as we can.

Anonymous at Tue, 16 Jul 2024 18:18:31 UTC No. 16283830

>>16278275
>calories
lmoa
This thinking is why everyone is fat and stupid. Calories is the worst measure of food quality, usefulness, or necessity possible.
Almost any other gauge, even color of the food, is a more valuable measure than "calories."
Pleb on.

Anonymous at Wed, 17 Jul 2024 05:26:47 UTC No. 16284564

>>16283829
The faster the grass grows the more steaks we can eat and moar co2 will make the grass grow faster and healthier.

Anonymous at Wed, 17 Jul 2024 05:36:54 UTC No. 16284567

>>16277801
dumbass
this one point destroyed their entire document.

Anonymous at Wed, 17 Jul 2024 10:32:13 UTC No. 16284720

>>16277801
>forcing everyone to be vegan

Anonymous at Wed, 17 Jul 2024 12:19:54 UTC No. 16284840

>>16279915
>grass fed
By hay imported from around the world. The cows do not feed themselves by grazing. They aren't ever on enough pasture for that. "Regenerative agriculture" is just creative accounting.

Anonymous at Wed, 17 Jul 2024 12:20:55 UTC No. 16284842

>>16282529
Retard.

Anonymous at Wed, 17 Jul 2024 12:36:04 UTC No. 16284859

>>16284840
Beef cattle in Australia start off grass-fed, grazing on pasture that farmers may supplement with grains or hay in times of shortage. About 50 per cent stay grass-fed their whole lives. The other 50 per cent spend most of their lives on grass. Then they move to a period in feedlots to bring them to market weight faster. This is also known as finishing. There they’ll typically receive some grain that humans could also eat.

Our research shows typical Australian grain-fed, or grain-finished, beef has a net protein contribution of 1.96. In other words, they create almost twice the human-edible protein they consume.

Anonymous at Wed, 17 Jul 2024 12:38:42 UTC No. 16284864

>>16284842
The feedlot sector increasingly uses by-products that humans can’t eat, while still meeting the nutritional requirements of cattle. Examples include spent grain from bio-alcohol, feed-grade grain and cottonseed.

Grass-fed cattle (that may eat very small amounts of grain) produce almost 1600 times the human-edible protein they consume. Cattle that graze only on grass or hay their whole lives don’t eat any human-edible protein at all. Their net protein contribution to the human nutritional supply is so high it's literally off the scale.

Anonymous at Wed, 17 Jul 2024 12:41:28 UTC No. 16284866

>>16278253
Part of the efficiency equation for Australian beef is that cattle mainly graze on land we can’t grow crops on. This is because of its terrain or soil type. In fact, Australian Bureau of Statistics' land use data show that since 2010 less than four per cent of Australia's agricultural land is used for growing crops.

A cow needs to eat around 25 kilograms of feed to produce one kilogram of beef. But us humans can eat none or only some of that 25 kilograms. So in terms of human-edible protein – one kilogram in and 1.96 kilograms out – the perspective looks quite different.

All up our work suggests that cows can be a good use of agricultural land for contributing valuable protein to our food supply.

Anonymous at Wed, 17 Jul 2024 13:54:55 UTC No. 16284985

>>16277801
Global warming is a spook to get people to consent to less freedom. TPTB do not care about the environment; they simply want to take away your food, aka meat. And they want you sick and confused, hence the push for veganism. They're quite literally shutting down farms in Europe as we speak. There's no logical reason for this other than to forcefully reduce meat consumption.

Anonymous at Wed, 17 Jul 2024 14:23:28 UTC No. 16285044

>>16277801
But you need more square meters of land, to raise lifestock, and also more CO2 because you need to feed it, also cow farts are greenhouse gasses.

Anonymous at Wed, 17 Jul 2024 14:50:26 UTC No. 16285078

>>16284985
This man wants the government to ban porn and he's lecturing you on consenting to less freedom.

Anonymous at Wed, 17 Jul 2024 14:52:27 UTC No. 16285080

>>16284864
Retard.

Anonymous at Wed, 17 Jul 2024 14:53:27 UTC No. 16285085

>>16284859
>may supplement with grains or hay in times of shortage.
Which is from the day the pasture is stocked.

>"Look mom! I'm doing regenerative agriculture!"

Anonymous at Wed, 17 Jul 2024 14:54:23 UTC No. 16285087

>>16285080
sorry, veganbrain. but aus cows are a protein multiplier

Anonymous at Wed, 17 Jul 2024 14:56:51 UTC No. 16285094

>>16285085
wrong. only in shortage are they supplemented with hay. 50% are grass fed exclusively. the science is settled.

Anonymous at Wed, 17 Jul 2024 14:58:12 UTC No. 16285098

>>16285094
Pork don't eat grass. Pork is evil, chicken also doesn't eat grass but it's not so evil. Islam is sometimes right.

Anonymous at Wed, 17 Jul 2024 15:08:05 UTC No. 16285119

>>16285078
No one mentioned porn except you

Anonymous at Wed, 17 Jul 2024 18:07:35 UTC No. 16285322

>>16284859
>There they’ll typically receive some grain that humans could also eat.
technically, but the type of grain you tend to feed to cattle tends not to be what humans want to eat

Anonymous at Wed, 17 Jul 2024 18:15:13 UTC No. 16285343

>>16279899
>>16279787
>>Install water trough
Hey it's you, that utterly butt blasted faggot from a couple of months back, I remember spending a while trying to figure out how much water grazing cattle could introduce to a system.
If I remember right even in the best case scenario of high yield dairy cows grazing dense pasture you were looking at somewhere around or below a milimetre total per year which is basically nothing and there would be way way less than that for a low feed value rangeland.

The fact that you are still pushing this crap juist proves you are a complete retard to be honest.

But one would expect that of your wrestched kind.

Anonymous at Wed, 17 Jul 2024 18:19:44 UTC No. 16285350

>>16277801
>demands

This justifies the death of everyone on the city council.

Anonymous at Thu, 18 Jul 2024 07:59:29 UTC No. 16286227

make the underclass unable to function?

Anonymous at Thu, 18 Jul 2024 09:28:29 UTC No. 16286562

Who gets the money?

Anonymous at Thu, 18 Jul 2024 23:36:54 UTC No. 16287872

>>16284842
Pelt farming turns inedible fish rests and almost rotten meat into high quality clothing.

Anonymous at Fri, 19 Jul 2024 04:02:04 UTC No. 16288040

>>16284859
>they’ll typically receive some grain that humans could also eat.
Australian exports massive amounts of grain to Africa, so when you say "some grain that humans could also eat." what you're really saying is "some grain that would have otherwise gone to exacerbating overpopulation in Africa, which in turn would result in African immigration to civilized nations"

Anonymous at Fri, 19 Jul 2024 21:47:59 UTC No. 16288910

>>16288040
good catch
if you can't compete with a cow do you deserve to reproduce?

frin at Sat, 20 Jul 2024 04:37:29 UTC No. 16289242

>>16277801
it's actually to reduce methane which is still really bad

it drives up temperatures leading to more of the runaway stuff

Anonymous at Sun, 21 Jul 2024 06:28:29 UTC No. 16290514

vegan diets cause massive flatulence

Anonymous at Sun, 21 Jul 2024 10:28:18 UTC No. 16290694

Why are they vegans like this?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cz7e88rz3wko

Anonymous at Sun, 21 Jul 2024 13:40:39 UTC No. 16290833

>>16277801
Environmentalism is about control and justifying infringing other's rights.

Anonymous at Sun, 21 Jul 2024 13:41:41 UTC No. 16290835

>>16277920
We can live without environmentalists/leftists.

Anonymous at Sun, 21 Jul 2024 13:43:02 UTC No. 16290836

>>16278373
>nothing more permanent than a temporary government intervention
You've outed yourself as low IQ and extremely manipulable.

Anonymous at Sun, 21 Jul 2024 14:28:30 UTC No. 16290865

>>16290836
You've outed yourself as illiterate. There is no government intervention. They literally just put out a statement for people to follow or ignore at their own discretion with no incentives or penalties.

Anonymous at Sun, 21 Jul 2024 14:52:19 UTC No. 16290880

>>16290865
Tell me about the mcovern report and the subsequent dietary guidelines...
tell me why do recommendations for fat and animal product consumption keep getting pushed lower despite no evidence that improves health outcomes and in many cases the inverse is true

Anonymous at Sun, 21 Jul 2024 18:35:26 UTC No. 16291120

>>16290880
Tell me what any of that has to do with the OP, you illiterate mong. You're making shit up and grasping at straws because you don't understand the difference between a statement and a law.

Anonymous at Mon, 22 Jul 2024 06:59:37 UTC No. 16291860

>>16290833

Anonymous at Mon, 22 Jul 2024 12:42:04 UTC No. 16292048

>>16277801
The false dilemma of "Eating vegan" vs. "Livestock" is a perfect example of a binary thinking trap, where we're led to believe that there are only two options:
a plant-based diet or a diet that involves raising animals for food.
However, this binary thinking neglects the complexity of the issue and the nuances of each option.

>Mass animal factories bad
>Monoculture crop bad
>vegan supplement """enhanced""" """foood""" bad and required a huge supplychain of chemicals

The way the system currently operates, with large-scale industrial animal farms, is undeniably problematic. Factory farming is a major contributor to greenhouse gas emissions, deforestation, water pollution, and antibiotic resistance.
Furthermore, these farms often prioritize efficiency and profit over animal welfare and environmental sustainability.

However, this does not mean that all animal agriculture is inherently bad.
In fact, when done right, livestock farming can be a powerful tool for environmental regeneration and ecosystem services.
One of the most significant benefits of animal agriculture is its ability to convert "waste" into nutrient-dense food. Ruminant animals, like cows, sheep, and goats, can digest cellulose-rich plant material like grass and convert it into high-quality protein, fat, and micronutrients in the form of meat, dairy, and eggs.
This process not only produces food for humans but also creates fertile land and improves soil health through the natural cycle of grazing, manure deposition, and soil disturbance.

Local, regenerative farming practices that integrate animals into the landscape can:

1. Bioremediate contaminated soils by using plants that absorb toxins and heavy metals.
2. Improve soil structure, fertility, and biodiversity through natural grazing and manure deposition.
3. Support ecosystem services like pollination.
4. Enhance biodiversity by creating habitat for beneficial insects, birds, and other wildlife.

Anonymous at Mon, 22 Jul 2024 12:51:21 UTC No. 16292059

>>16292048
Retard take

Anonymous at Mon, 22 Jul 2024 13:09:56 UTC No. 16292074

>>16292048
Now, let's examine the flip side – the drawbacks of modern crop agriculture. The majority of arable land is dedicated to growing grains, which are essentially seeds high in starch and sugar content.
While grains are necessary for human consumption, the scale and methods used to produce them have significant environmental consequences:

1. Monoculture farming leads to soil degradation, erosion, and loss of biodiversity.
2. Intensive use of pesticides, herbicides, and synthetic fertilizers contaminates water sources, air, and soil.
4. Large areas of land are used to produce oil-rich seeds, which are often refined into unhealthy seed oils.
5. The very same grains are often milled into nutrient-depleted flour, further exacerbating health and environmental issues. The consolidation of agricultural land leads to habitat destruction and habitat fragmentation, negatively impacting insect and bird populations.


The ethical management of livestock, on the other hand, represents the circle of life: animals eat, poop (producing natural fertilizer), and conveniently produce food during the process. This approach acknowledges the interconnectedness of species and the ecosystem services that animals provide.

Anonymous at Mon, 22 Jul 2024 13:11:20 UTC No. 16292077

>>16292074
Even more retarded take

Anonymous at Mon, 22 Jul 2024 13:22:43 UTC No. 16292089

>>16292077
The classic "this is a retarded take" retort – a rhetorical device that simultaneously displays one's intellectual laziness and desperate attempts to dismiss opposing views.

Why do people resort to this tactic?
1. Lack of understanding: They may not grasp the complexity of the argument or the ecological and economic costs of the vegan food trend.
2. Cognitive dissonance: The idea that veganism, often seen as a virtuous choice, could have unintended negative consequences challenges their worldview, leading to discomfort and dismissal.
3. Emotional vested interests: People may be heavily invested in the vegan lifestyle or identity, making them resistant to alternative perspectives.
4. Argumentative convenience: Dismissing a nuanced critique with a simple insult saves them the trouble of actually engaging with the points raised.

When someone responds with "this is a retarded take," it's not only a sign of intellectual laziness but also a missed opportunity for meaningful discussion.
By dismissing critiques without addressing the substance of the argument, they fail to engage with the complexities of the issue and sabotage the possibility of mutual understanding and growth.

Anonymous at Tue, 23 Jul 2024 03:17:25 UTC No. 16293035

>>16291120
The first donation to the American Heart Association came from seed oil inventor Procter & Gamble under the advice of ((Edward Bernays)). Soon after, the AHA promoted Ancel Key's flawed theory of cholesterol causing heart disease, which was based on the correlation found in Dr. Key's cherry picked "Six Country Study" that ignored countries like France and Germany because they did not fit his model.

Modern scientific research on heart disease often uses cholesterol lowering as a surrogate end point to studies based on the false cholesterol model of heart disease because they are institutionally wedded to the cholesterol model.

Read around the topic and you will understand just how fucked up the whole system is

At one point the American association of pediatrics were one of the only large medical groups opposed to the theories being promoted by keys et al, because there work wasn't tainted by the animal fat = heart disease dogmka since their core focis had been on actually replicable scientific studies looking at optimal health and growth in young children, but eventually they managed to infiltrate even them with Key's acolytes and the AAP switched from recommending a diet rich in nutrient dense animal fats to a policy of dissuading animal at consumption above like 25% of total calories to avoid heart disease in later life.

It will take decades to undo the damage the anti fat dogma of the of the AHA has done to the field of nutrition

And after more that half a century of the AHA shilling the anti fat dogma, zero progress has been made on heart disease in America, it is still the leading killer of Americans and that pretty much proves that the AHA's dogma is incorrect.

Anonymous at Tue, 23 Jul 2024 10:38:32 UTC No. 16293287

>>16290865
How naive are you? Politicians constantly bring up talking points to push for laws and changes of regulation. If a government body proclaims a guideline or a strategy paper regulation usually follows. The government has a lot more means at its disposal than just passing laws.

Anonymous at Tue, 23 Jul 2024 10:58:53 UTC No. 16293298

>>16277801
Animal fat and protein is extremely important to brain development, muscular strength and general health. They don't want you smart, strong or healthy. They want to dominate you and sell you medication for your nutritional weakness.

Anonymous at Tue, 23 Jul 2024 11:06:07 UTC No. 16293304

>>16278275
Grazing is an extremely economical and environmentally sustainable land use. It supports biodiversity and allows for wildlife to coexist.

🗑️ Anonymous at Tue, 23 Jul 2024 11:27:32 UTC No. 16293312

>>16277801
>How does forcing everyone to be vegan prevent global warming?
Raising the meat you eat requires enormous amounts of energy, feed (for the meat) and the destruction of whole areas of land.

Raising the meat you eat requires enormous amounts of energy, feed (for the meat) and the razing of whole tracts of land.


Add to this the transport used between the place of rearing and your plate, and the kilo tons of unnecessary marketing to package and sell a piece of meat.

Anonymous at Tue, 23 Jul 2024 17:57:37 UTC No. 16293678

>>16293035
Oh, I see you used my argument about the aap? a pity you didn't fix all of my shitty typos and garbled repetition

Anonymous at Tue, 23 Jul 2024 18:51:51 UTC No. 16293752

>>16277801
I just ate a classic American hamburger with two well-done beef patties, plant-based shitters can go fuck themselves. That shit kept me well fed for the whole day, I did not feel hungry.

Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 07:26:36 UTC No. 16294430

>>16279895
so you agree that all africans and asians should be forced to leave europe

Anonymous at Thu, 25 Jul 2024 04:34:34 UTC No. 16295628

>>16294430
I do

Anonymous at Fri, 26 Jul 2024 03:26:55 UTC No. 16296877

>>16295628

Anonymous at Sat, 27 Jul 2024 04:32:08 UTC No. 16298428

>>16279899
wild cattle are common in australia

Anonymous at Sun, 28 Jul 2024 03:15:55 UTC No. 16299868

>>16294430
ausländer raus

Anonymous at Sun, 28 Jul 2024 22:34:58 UTC No. 16301012

>>16299868

Anonymous at Sun, 28 Jul 2024 23:43:44 UTC No. 16301115

>And we can't live without crop. We can live without livestock.
the absolute state of vegans

Anonymous at Mon, 29 Jul 2024 01:16:13 UTC No. 16301228

>>16283544
Their funniest videos are when someone stops being a Vegan, the levels of vitriol and seething in the comments are off the charts

Anonymous at Mon, 29 Jul 2024 01:18:15 UTC No. 16301230

>>16301228
>the levels of vitriol and seething in the comments are off the charts
any screenshots or quotes?

Anonymous at Mon, 29 Jul 2024 19:19:28 UTC No. 16302257

Anonymous at Wed, 31 Jul 2024 01:59:20 UTC No. 16304043

>>16302257
low iq people are dumb and do and say dumb things and are too dumb to realize how dumb they are because they're dumb, such is the nature of the beast. everyone thinks they're smart, most of them are wrong

Anonymous at Thu, 1 Aug 2024 02:53:24 UTC No. 16305381

>>16293304
>Grazing is an extremely economical and environmentally sustainable land use
Far more so than raising crops is

Anonymous at Fri, 2 Aug 2024 08:59:13 UTC No. 16306766

>humans should eat a diet that they haven't evolved to sustain themselves on
how come vegans don't believe in evolution?

Anonymous at Sat, 3 Aug 2024 05:35:54 UTC No. 16308141

>>16306766
They have stupid and irrational beliefs because their diets cause their brains to decay

Anonymous at Sun, 4 Aug 2024 03:34:24 UTC No. 16309333

>>16277920
>And don't forget that livestck have to eat and drink too.
so do wild animals

Anonymous at Mon, 5 Aug 2024 03:42:50 UTC No. 16310533

>>16309333
Vegans are so dimwitted that they can't think past the idea of removing livestock from pastures far enough to realize that the pastures would just end up occupied by wild animals which fart just as much as cows do.

Anonymous at Mon, 5 Aug 2024 12:43:48 UTC No. 16310855

>>16310533
>>16309333
>>16308141
>>16306766
>>16305381
>>16304043
>>16302257
Retard takes.

Anonymous at Tue, 6 Aug 2024 06:32:18 UTC No. 16311871

Anonymous at Tue, 6 Aug 2024 07:25:27 UTC No. 16311918

>>16277801
>petrol in a car it goes

Anonymous at Wed, 7 Aug 2024 03:31:02 UTC No. 16312975

Anonymous at Wed, 7 Aug 2024 03:48:17 UTC No. 16312992

>>16277920
So do the massive amounts of critters, rodents, birds and other small animals that will occupy such crops. That in turn will cause a dramatic increase in predators and other animal populations. Either that or you'll end up with an ecosystem that needs strict controls, meaning more labor, machines, oil, chemicals, land, etc. to maintain it.
Meanwhile, to meet the new demand you'll have to destroy entire other ecosystems and displace countless other animals from their natural habitat, which will cause a domino effect that requires even more resources to manage.

In a 1 to 1 comparison, meat is vastly more efficient in meeting daily dietary needs than a plant based diet and consumes considerably less resources to maintain.
That is, unless you're perfectly content eating bugs. Which I suspect someone like you would actually be fine with.

Anonymous at Wed, 7 Aug 2024 04:24:10 UTC No. 16313014

>>16277801
if you go along with this, they'll eventually force you to eat shit
https://www.bitchute.com/video/jyPwh4Xaaihj

Anonymous at Wed, 7 Aug 2024 09:32:45 UTC No. 16313214

>>16279732
My grandpa was a cattle baron in the riverina region of New South Wales. There's country there to rival that of merry old England in terms of lushness. Rush to the toilet before you decide to shit all over the keyboard in future.

Anonymous at Wed, 7 Aug 2024 09:46:33 UTC No. 16313218

>>16313214
My grandfather sold south devon cattle to australia back when south devons were a beef and dairy breed before everyone turned to friesians afer that only the beef lines were preserved.
which is a shame because their milk had a better nutrient composition.

What breeds did he run?

Anonymous at Wed, 7 Aug 2024 10:01:45 UTC No. 16313225

>>16277801
Adopting a vegan diet can significantly mitigate global warming due to the following reasons:
>Greenhouse Gas Emissions
Livestock Emissions: Animals produce methane and nitrous oxide, potent greenhouse gases. Livestock farming also contributes to CO2 emissions through deforestation for pasture and feed crops.
Crop Production Emissions: While raising crops does produce CO2 from machinery and fertilizers, these emissions are generally lower than those from livestock farming.
>Resource Use
Land Use: Animal agriculture requires much more land compared to plant-based agriculture..
Water Use: Producing animal products requires significantly more water than growing plant-based foods.
>Efficiency of Food Production
Feed Conversion: Animals are inefficient converters of feed into meat, leading to greater overall resource use and emissions.
Caloric Efficiency: Growing crops directly for human consumption is more efficient in terms of calories produced per unit of input compared to animal farming.
>Environmental Benefits of Plant-Based Diets
Lower Emissions: Plant-based diets can reduce food-related greenhouse gas emissions by up to 70%.
Reduced Land Use: Shifting to plant-based diets could free up land currently used for grazing and growing feed crops, which could be reforested to sequester carbon.
Water Conservation: Plant-based diets generally use less water, as I said.
>Counterarguments
Sustainable Practices: Sustainable livestock farming practices can mitigate some negative impacts.
Regional Variations: The environmental impact of agriculture varies by region.
Nutritional Needs: Vegan diets need careful planning to ensure nutritional adequacy.
In summary, promoting veganism can effectively reduce greenhouse gas emissions, conserve land and water, and improve the efficiency of food production, thus helping to combat global warming.

I hope this answers your question as I'm sure you were asking this in good faith and not to start a /pol/ bait thread :)

🗑️ Anonymous at Wed, 7 Aug 2024 10:08:37 UTC No. 16313230

>>16313225
Most of these points are wrong or irrelevant.

If I were to take the time to refute them you would simply ignore my arguments and any supplied evidence because you are motivated by ideology

Anonymous at Wed, 7 Aug 2024 12:27:49 UTC No. 16313353

>>16284842
nice comeback you dunce

Anonymous at Wed, 7 Aug 2024 12:35:11 UTC No. 16313358

>>16313353
It must be very very very complex or hard and the only signal I'm getting of such tech is that which is coming from immense learning rate in ringing signature. When you get X intelligent, you continue to get better every day, learning few lessons about blues and reds per se. There's no clear signals, but I might stumble upon a complexity. I got really good ideas for us.

Anonymous at Wed, 7 Aug 2024 12:37:38 UTC No. 16313362

>>16313358
Leadership is commonly to do with control but for me it's just a time thing. I know exactly what to do for the future.

Anonymous at Wed, 7 Aug 2024 12:40:31 UTC No. 16313364

>>16313225
>Vegan needs chatgpt to form an argument
Lmfao

Anonymous at Wed, 7 Aug 2024 12:41:34 UTC No. 16313365

>>16313362
As soon as we gain stability, we'll trade this painful experience for tens of thousands of centuries(or years as it's called). As said I can breed super anything and things much greater than myself, but we also need money, yada yada.

Anonymous at Wed, 7 Aug 2024 14:24:09 UTC No. 16313453

>>16313364
>Chud has no counterargument, AI generated or otherwise

Anonymous at Wed, 7 Aug 2024 16:23:11 UTC No. 16313583

>>16313453
The counterargument is you're evil and should be killed.

Anonymous at Wed, 7 Aug 2024 18:57:49 UTC No. 16313870

>>16313583
That's not a counterargument

Anonymous at Wed, 7 Aug 2024 22:48:16 UTC No. 16314231

>>16313453
How embarrassing that you need to be told what to think by a propaganda machine.

Anonymous at Thu, 8 Aug 2024 00:49:40 UTC No. 16314408

>>16292048
>>16292074
>>16292089
Utterly delusional brainlet posts. Nobody with a high enough IQ to belong on /sci/ would fall for this.

We all need to stop eating meat and animal products. The science is settled.
Plant based foods with minor supplementation of insect protein is healthy and sustainable. We all have to do our part to prevent the Climate Crisis.

Anonymous at Thu, 8 Aug 2024 01:22:11 UTC No. 16314440

>>16314408
>The science is settled.
>sustainable
>Climate Crisis.

Anonymous at Fri, 9 Aug 2024 02:37:45 UTC No. 16316161

Anonymous at Fri, 9 Aug 2024 02:46:58 UTC No. 16316179

>>16314408
No.

Anonymous at Fri, 9 Aug 2024 22:23:31 UTC No. 16317693

Anonymous at Fri, 9 Aug 2024 22:25:54 UTC No. 16317698

>>16314231
Say that in the mirror every morning.

Anonymous at Fri, 9 Aug 2024 22:26:56 UTC No. 16317700

>>16314408
Obvious false flag post.

>>16314440
>>16316179
Reactionary retards with no informational literacy.

Anonymous at Fri, 9 Aug 2024 22:28:26 UTC No. 16317702

>>16317698
That's the best you could respond with? Just a retarded version of "no u"?
The brain of a vegan, indeed.