Anonymous at Fri, 12 Jul 2024 05:19:51 UTC No. 16278254

>>16278222
>How do we fix this?
Remove grade inflation. Don't give kids an A if they don't deserve an A. Don't curve tests/exams. Make 50% of the exam questions conceptual in nature rather than solely focused on performing computation.

Anonymous at Fri, 12 Jul 2024 05:25:46 UTC No. 16278259

>>16278254
>Remove grade inflation. Don't give kids an A if they don't deserve an A. Don't curve tests/exams.
How does that change anything that OP described

Anonymous at Fri, 12 Jul 2024 05:27:13 UTC No. 16278263

>>16278254
>Don't curve tests/exams
I had a new Calc prof in college and she ended up curving all our grades at the end of the semester after swearing she wouldn't because she didn't know how to time a test to save her life and nobody could ever finish her exams so we all consistently failed them.

Anonymous at Fri, 12 Jul 2024 05:39:42 UTC No. 16278280

>>16278259
It would ensure at least some total retards are pre-filtered, as opposed to just passing everyone off to college/uni

Anonymous at Fri, 12 Jul 2024 05:43:48 UTC No. 16278285

>>16278280
If colleges/unis plan to have the same class size how would that change anything. They don't care about marks on an absolute but on a relative basis, no? A 25th percentile student is a 25th percentile student, whether they got a C+ or a D-

Anonymous at Fri, 12 Jul 2024 11:16:36 UTC No. 16278574

>>16278280
Anytime you see something in the world that doesn't seem to make sense, look at the economics. There's no incentive to filter morons out when you can squeeze tuition money out of them instead.

Anonymous at Fri, 12 Jul 2024 11:20:18 UTC No. 16278578

>>16278222
>How do we fix this?
1. Make IQ tests mandatory
2. Don't allow sub 140 IQ into academia
3. Expel all sub 140 IQ from academia

Anonymous at Fri, 12 Jul 2024 15:23:50 UTC No. 16278866

>>16278222
>How do we fix this?
Remove grades from exams, except finals.

Anonymous at Fri, 12 Jul 2024 18:07:17 UTC No. 16279053

>>16278578
That's racist

Anonymous at Fri, 12 Jul 2024 18:14:42 UTC No. 16279063

>>16278285
more students fail in highschool
incentive to work harder

Anonymous at Fri, 12 Jul 2024 18:38:17 UTC No. 16279100

>>16278285
At my school at least you need to get a C or higher in a course to progress to the next one (e.g. intro calc/chem/physics series.) Making those kids retake classes they barely understood will probably help them in the long term

Anonymous at Fri, 12 Jul 2024 18:42:07 UTC No. 16279108

Proofs-based exams, calculators banned completely, not grading on computational accuracy.

Anonymous at Fri, 12 Jul 2024 18:44:28 UTC No. 16279112

>>16278254
If you are going to make very challenging uncurved exams you also need to include a LOT of extra credit opportunities imo just due to the nature of how grad school admissions work.

Anonymous at Fri, 12 Jul 2024 20:14:07 UTC No. 16279274

>>16279112
If a sufficiently prestigious undergrad place did this it wouldn't really matter. Besides, grad school should only be for a tiny minority of intelligent autists anyways

Anonymous at Fri, 12 Jul 2024 20:19:19 UTC No. 16279283

>>16279108
based

Anonymous at Fri, 12 Jul 2024 20:27:17 UTC No. 16279290

>>16279274
That has not been my experience when talking with people who worked in grad admissions departments. They have to report a lot of this data, which goes into rankings that make them a lot of money, so they don't have a lot of wiggle room to accept people into masters programs and such. PhD programs do not suffer from this as much do to their more variable and research-driven nature. You would need to have a complete change over on a nationwide level or you end up with a situation like with international students from South Africa (where extremely low grading is the norm like you describe) trying to get into programs in other nations.

Anonymous at Fri, 12 Jul 2024 20:30:00 UTC No. 16279292

>>16279283
I received exams like this in my very basic math classes. 100% of the Indians in these classes dropped out in the face of the most basic analysis question you could come up with. It works wonders. By comparison not a single Chinese dropped that I can remember.

raspberry pie at Sat, 13 Jul 2024 02:10:34 UTC No. 16279714

>>16278222
The solution is obvious: Dont make kids memorize anything. Unlimited access to equation sheets during tests.

Anonymous at Sat, 13 Jul 2024 02:29:45 UTC No. 16279730

I'm teaching a class at the moment, and basically made the midterm basically the easiest possible conceptual questions you could come up with. On top of that, the midterm was completely open-book, so the exam was really more of a test of reading comprehension, and making sure the students are capable of a slight amount of thought.
The median grade was below 35%.
Also, from the homework as well, it's clear that almost none of them are capable of writing a coherent sentence.
One of the better students in the class, is frequently asking me such asinine questions that exhibit that he has no clue about what's going on, and he struggles with following basic steps to solve a problem.

The course coordinator gave me a talking to, basically said I need to make the questions easy enough so that the class will pass with sufficiently good grades, and I should lower the standards because the standards for the university are low, so we need to adhere to those low standards of the university.
This is happening in every college course, so by the time they get to the course I'm teaching (3rd year), they still struggle with shit like plugging in variables, and genuinely aren't capable of solving a problem that requires a modicum of thought.

>tl;dr
Nothing can be done at the level of the teachers. It's the administrators forcing us to lower the level of each course year on year, so that less and less content is taught, and moreover so that we teach in a way that the students can pass with minimal thinking.

raspberry pie at Sat, 13 Jul 2024 02:41:00 UTC No. 16279740

>>16279730
maybe you are a bad teacher
maybe the kids are dumb
maybe the kids last teachers are dumb so the kids dont have the prerequisite knowledge you expect them to have

Anonymous at Sat, 13 Jul 2024 02:45:23 UTC No. 16279747

>>16279740
Are you illiterate?
In any case, I literally ask them if they've seen something before, and I just get back blank stares.
In fact, I ask them literally anything, and receive nothing but blank stares.
They are barely sentient.

Anonymous at Sat, 13 Jul 2024 02:54:07 UTC No. 16279756

>>16279730
Grim.
How do you deal with that?
Ide lose my shit.

Anonymous at Sat, 13 Jul 2024 03:05:32 UTC No. 16279767

>>16279756
I feel like I'm going to sometimes. At some point during our conversation, I asked the coordinator
>So I'm supposed to just pass these people even though they exhibit no understanding of the course?
And he bluntly replied "yeah".
I take solace in knowing there's only a couple more weeks of the summer semester, and I hope in the fall the class I teach is better.
At this point, I just make the homework and the exams seriously the simplest plug-and-chug questions, and go through almost identical questions beforehand. The class does nothing but give me blank, glassy-eyed stares, so I just talk to the blackboard the entire time, because it's impossible to gauge if they comprehend anything.
Seriously can't wait for this bullshit to be over.

Anonymous at Sat, 13 Jul 2024 03:11:36 UTC No. 16279772

>>16279767
I have to wonder why people like that pursue a degree in the first place.
Seems like a monumental waste of time and money.

Anonymous at Sat, 13 Jul 2024 03:16:03 UTC No. 16279782

>>16279772
Yeah, it's bewildering to me too. Some are just throwing money at the same course over and over again only to fail. They're also missing out on their summer for this course, and clearly have no interest to learn this stuff.
If they want the college experience, they could have done a business degree.

Anonymous at Sat, 13 Jul 2024 03:23:20 UTC No. 16279793

>>16278222
understanding come with time. nothing wrong with doing things you dont understand at first. that's actually most of the maths.

Anonymous at Sat, 13 Jul 2024 03:25:49 UTC No. 16279796

btw are we talking highschool? uni? what is this thread even about?

Anonymous at Sat, 13 Jul 2024 03:46:13 UTC No. 16279819

>>16279796
A bit of both, I assume. Problems in uni whose cause is rooted in the high school system.

Anonymous at Sat, 13 Jul 2024 07:52:56 UTC No. 16280017

>>16279730
If you're in the US, it's not even really the admins fault. The # of 18-22 year olds is going to continue dropping, fewer people are deciding to go to college, meaning institutions have to let in any retard who applies

Anonymous at Sat, 13 Jul 2024 11:38:48 UTC No. 16280168

>>16278578
Dumbest shit ever. You find these brown 'super kids' who learn how to get high score from IQ test books.

Anonymous at Sat, 13 Jul 2024 12:31:11 UTC No. 16280195

>>16279730
post some of the questions from your test here

Anonymous at Sat, 13 Jul 2024 15:07:31 UTC No. 16280315

my alma mater has basically a free for all in the first year. everyone can try but you need to pass a brutal test block after the first year with 60%+ fail rate.
that's how it should be desu

Anonymous at Mon, 15 Jul 2024 01:41:47 UTC No. 16281862

>>16278222
counter: the current system is stable and resistant to competition creep. i don't mind it that bad.

if we start treating freshman courses like grad-level work, even the best students won't be able to adjust to the difficulty curve. it's just not pedagogically achievable.

and what's your alternative? for grad school, the natural filters are research and letters of recommendation. industry is superficial enough that retards progress pretty nicely anyway. motivated students are still learning the material and retaining info -- it's not anyone's fault if you got filtered because you didn't care enough lmao

Anonymous at Mon, 15 Jul 2024 08:59:03 UTC No. 16282162

>>16278222
My teacher would never tell us when a test would take place or give us extra time. You just walk in and then she locks the door, takes any electronics from you, and tells you that there will be a test. This meant all of us had to genuinely pay attention and learn so we wouldn't be blindsided. Also not every test was for the things we were learning at the time. She'd test us on subjects we learned months ago with zero prep

Anonymous at Mon, 15 Jul 2024 17:09:36 UTC No. 16282591

>>16282162
Someone went to an all boys school.