🧵 How harmful is sunlight for you really?
Anonymous at Fri, 12 Jul 2024 15:13:08 UTC No. 16278851
Mainstream health advice is telling us that any amount of sun exposure is harmful and carcinogenic and therefore we should wear sunscreen or UV blocking clothing at all times. The US and Australian governments officially endorse this belief, and probably other governments as well I can't remember at the moment.
How true is it really?
I have trouble believing that any amount of sun exposure is potentially harmful considering how modern this view is. For millennia people did not all die of skin cancer and many thought sun exposure was good for you. While health authorities sometimes accept that some amount of sun exposure is good for you, they always say it's only a little bit of sun exposure and insist you still wear sunscreen.
Something else I know is that in the past several decades myopia rates have been greatly increasing, and myopia can be caused by a lack of time outside. Could our discouragement of going outside be causing myopia?
Anonymous at Fri, 12 Jul 2024 15:28:53 UTC No. 16278877
>>16278851
Medical doctors always talk about risks and how to minimize them. Even if prevalence of skin cancers would be 0.00001% in people who do not go out at all and 0.001% in people who go out, there's still a 100x increased risk in the other group.
As far as I've understood, every time the skin burns red, there's a marked increase in cancer risk. This mainly happens if you live mainly indoors and then suddenly expose your body to a lot of UV radiation. People in the ancient times had pretty much constant exposure.
Anonymous at Fri, 12 Jul 2024 15:55:41 UTC No. 16278903
>>16278851
>Mainstream
That's a already a red flag, but I'll bite anyway.
>For millennia people did not all die of skin cancer
They didn't live long enough
We have a lot of data nowadays, both on cancer inducing and of just skin aging.
But it's useless for people skeptical of anything "too modern" and I have better things to do.
Anonymous at Fri, 12 Jul 2024 17:31:19 UTC No. 16279014
>>16278851
Not much. You're looking at living to 70 instead of 85. Much like asbestos the danger isnt that great in the grand scheme of things.
Anonymous at Fri, 12 Jul 2024 18:57:23 UTC No. 16279136
>>16278851
>For millennia people did not all die of skin cancer and many thought sun exposure was good for you.
For millenia people thought 35 was a venerable age.
Anonymous at Fri, 12 Jul 2024 21:15:04 UTC No. 16279362
>>16278903
>>16279136
Disproven, average life expectancy at birth was dragged down by how many people died in infancy and early childhood. https://www.bbc.com/future/article/
Anonymous at Fri, 12 Jul 2024 21:43:04 UTC No. 16279407
And for millennia, the average life expectancy was like 30? Your point?
Anonymous at Fri, 12 Jul 2024 21:50:56 UTC No. 16279417
>>16279362
>Not everyone agrees. “There was an enormous difference between the lifestyle of a poor versus an elite Roman,” says Valentina Gazzaniga, a medical historian at Rome’s La Sapienza University. “The conditions of life, access to medical therapies, even just hygiene – these were all certainly better among the elites.”
>In 2016, Gazzaniga published her research on more than 2,000 ancient Roman skeletons, all working-class people who were buried in common graves. The average age of death was 30, and that wasn’t a mere statistical quirk: a high number of the skeletons were around that age. Many showed the effects of trauma from hard labour, as well as diseases we would associate with later ages, like arthritis.
>Men might have borne numerous injuries from manual labour or military service. But women – who, it's worth noting, also did hard labour such as working in the fields – hardly got off easy. Throughout history, childbirth, often in poor hygienic conditions, is just one reason why women were at particular risk during their fertile years. Even pregnancy itself was a danger.
>Childbirth was worsened by other factors too. “Women often were fed less than men,” Gazzaniga says. That malnutrition means that young girls often had incomplete development of pelvic bones, which then increased the risk of difficult child labour.
>“The life expectancy of Roman women actually increased with the decline of fertility,” Gazzaniga says. “The more fertile the population is, the lower the female life expectancy.”
Disporven, lol. Of course anon doesn't even read their own article but likes to be a contrarian. Classic 4chan
Anonymous at Fri, 12 Jul 2024 21:52:08 UTC No. 16279420
>>16279362
That also has very little to do with the risk to health from sun. Cancer was and still is not that great a killer of younger people. We all generally live sufficiently long now that exposure to sun is liable to cause health issues for you. It is unlikely you will suffer any ill affects until your later years. Sun exposure also visually ages the skin quite a lot. Which is something you might consider as that is surely associated with a host of skin issues.
Anonymous at Fri, 12 Jul 2024 22:19:08 UTC No. 16279461
>>16278851
I have been staring at screens 12-16 hours a day for the last 25 years and still have 20/10 vision bilaterally, so idk about the vision shit. But if I go weeks without skin exposure, I tend to start getting little skin infections a lot more.
🗑️ Anonymous at Sat, 13 Jul 2024 01:24:33 UTC No. 16279677
>>16279407
false. thats a misleading statistic because most people died in childhood until antibiotics were invented. people who survived childhood lived just about as long as people do currently.
Anonymous at Sat, 13 Jul 2024 05:02:28 UTC No. 16279897
>>16278851
Just look at people on the streets, faggot. Who seems to look more healthy?
Anonymous at Sun, 14 Jul 2024 06:49:45 UTC No. 16281068
people get skin cancer from rubbing toxic sunblock creams into their skin, not from exposure to sunlight
Anonymous at Sun, 14 Jul 2024 10:57:14 UTC No. 16281247
>>16278851
>I have trouble believing that any amount of sun exposure is potentially harmful considering how modern this view is. For millennia people did not all die of skin cancer and many thought sun exposure was good for you.
Lmao have you ever been severely sunburned? What is your definition of harmful?
For millennia, if you lived in sunny areas, you either were black or you covered your skin from the sun. All desert cultures are either black skinned or have skin coverings that they wear most of the time. It's how it's always been.
Anonymous at Sun, 14 Jul 2024 21:44:31 UTC No. 16281657
>>16279461
idk, staring at a CRT too long as a kid damaged my eyes. more than one optometrist has asked if I had a CRT after looking at my eyes. apparently some used to leak radiation way more than advertised
Anonymous at Mon, 15 Jul 2024 22:26:12 UTC No. 16282922
>>16281068
TSMT
nobody ever got skin cancer before >muh scyence invented carcinogenic sunblock products
Anonymous at Mon, 15 Jul 2024 22:34:57 UTC No. 16282936
>>16278851
the bigger issue is that it ages you and makes you look gross prematurely. most skin cancers are easily detected and excised if you're not retarded
Anonymous at Tue, 16 Jul 2024 20:31:30 UTC No. 16284038
>I'm a pasty friendless loser nerd virgin who is destined to be a genetic dead end and I never go outside because the sun is unhealthy
>Chad who is tanned, physically fit and will have a plethora of children is unhealthy because he exposes his skin to the sun
Is there a name for this cope? Why do genetic dead ends always want to imagine that they're some how superior to people who lead successful lives?
If genetic dead ends didn't devote themselves to coping mechanisms they'd have the possibility of improving themselves to the point that they didn't end up as genetic dead ends, yet instead they insist on developing fantasies and copes that prevent themselves from self improvement and condemn themselves to being genetic dead ends, why?
Anonymous at Wed, 17 Jul 2024 14:45:18 UTC No. 16285070
>>16279417
This is why you are here dear anon, to spend little time and give us something to think about
Anonymous at Thu, 18 Jul 2024 07:16:36 UTC No. 16286146
>>16284038
why do ugly losers even want to live long lives? i'd kys if I wasn't a tanned muscular chad
Anonymous at Thu, 18 Jul 2024 09:20:05 UTC No. 16286526
>>16278851
Sunlight is essential for the function of dozens of pathways
Anonymous at Thu, 18 Jul 2024 09:22:51 UTC No. 16286539
>>16278851
The sun is only bad because it makes you brown, not for any health reasons. If you don't mind being brown and under the sun, go for it.
Anonymous at Thu, 18 Jul 2024 10:49:23 UTC No. 16286860
sunlight makes your blood flow better
Anonymous at Thu, 18 Jul 2024 10:51:32 UTC No. 16286866
lol sci got raided bump
Anonymous at Fri, 19 Jul 2024 04:09:12 UTC No. 16288045
>>16286146
>i'd kys if I wasn't a tanned muscular chad
based
nerds don't go outside because they're (correctly) ashamed to be seen
Anonymous at Sat, 20 Jul 2024 01:14:40 UTC No. 16289081
>>16286860
This. If sunlight were bad for you then humanity would have developed to be nocturnal, but the size of our eyes has shrunk substantially since the neanderthal days.
Anonymous at Sat, 20 Jul 2024 21:22:31 UTC No. 16290106
>(((((science)))))) says the sun is bad for you because they want to sell you a bunch of toxic sun creams and expensive cancer screenings
>nature and a billion years of evolution clear disagree with (((((science)))))) about sun being bad for you
Anonymous at Sat, 20 Jul 2024 21:23:47 UTC No. 16290109
sterols from plants and a few other compounds cause sun burns
Anonymous at Sat, 20 Jul 2024 23:32:48 UTC No. 16290256
Depends on your diet
Anonymous at Sun, 21 Jul 2024 00:50:24 UTC No. 16290298
>>16278851
Its harmful in excess.
Like literally everything else.
Anonymous at Sun, 21 Jul 2024 03:28:45 UTC No. 16290375
>>16290298
Yes. Common sense.
Especially if not acclimated, you get 10 min of blazing sun and get out (before noticable issues) or cover up, and then later in the day or next morning, - reassess.
If you get red and feel fevere, you do less.
If not you do a bit more the next day.
In this manner you have the benefits w/out poisoning yourself.
Anonymous at Sun, 21 Jul 2024 14:43:35 UTC No. 16290874
>>16279014
The long term study with 27k participants in sweden has shown that people who avoid the sunlight had the life expectancy lower. The difference between those who avoid the sun and those who don't is the same as between those who smome and those who don't. In other words, it's the people who avoid the sunlight would live till 70 on average, while the ones sunbathing or being in the sun would reach 85.
Anonymous at Sun, 21 Jul 2024 14:48:57 UTC No. 16290878
>>16278851
thought provoking vid from max gulthane
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MLB
Anonymous at Mon, 22 Jul 2024 10:16:38 UTC No. 16291957
>>16290106
this.
people who think the sun is bad for you don't believe in evolution.
desert tortoise is one of the most long lived creatures, how come it doesn't die of tortoise shell cancer from being in the sun all day errrry day? evolution is why
Anonymous at Tue, 23 Jul 2024 08:02:43 UTC No. 16293186
>>16282936
>makes you look gross prematurely
only people that are attractive to begin with have to be concerned about that
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 02:46:21 UTC No. 16294267
>>16290874
it seems the study you're referring to just looks at sun exposure. could just be vitamin d deficiency no?
Anonymous at Thu, 25 Jul 2024 01:56:13 UTC No. 16295510
>oy vey don't go outside goy
>nature is bad for you
>stop being healthy goy
why does science hate the natural world?
Anonymous at Fri, 26 Jul 2024 01:31:53 UTC No. 16296777
sunlight is good for you, thats why everyone gets sick in winter.
>get cold/flu during winter
>take (((medicine)))
>recovery takes weeks
>get cold/flu during winter
>get on the next plane to somewhere tropical, lie on the beach
>fully recovered in 2 days
try it sometime if you're not a poorfag
Anonymous at Fri, 26 Jul 2024 22:18:58 UTC No. 16297988
>>16296777
I have experienced this phenomenon on multiple occasions. Going to the tropics for a week in December seems to grant about 6 weeks immunity to cold/flu season.
Anonymous at Fri, 26 Jul 2024 22:53:04 UTC No. 16298027
>>16278851
With enough sunlight, you can be cured of anything!
Anonymous at Sat, 27 Jul 2024 01:34:50 UTC No. 16298243
>>16278851
>How harmful is sunlight for you really?
Do you realize that EVERY single human that has ever been exposed to sunlight has died or will die!!!!!
Anonymous at Sat, 27 Jul 2024 01:41:52 UTC No. 16298248
>>16278851
>keep your sun exposure early or late in the day
>take enough vitamin D supplements
>take astaxanthin
>burn off any new moles with an IPL device or laser
>use sunscreen for mid-day exposure
This is overall my sun strategy. Once had a huge mole appear on my hand from driving over the Sierra-Nevada mountains without sunscreen. Shut was uggo as fuck and I burnt it off that week. That was years ago and it never came back. So it can have short-term very negative effects and give you cancer if unchecked, but you can outsmart bad sun exposure pretty well.
>also, sun does a great job of curing cutaneous infections without antibiotics, so there is that.
Anonymous at Sat, 27 Jul 2024 02:27:03 UTC No. 16298294
i hate the sun
Anonymous at Sat, 27 Jul 2024 03:24:27 UTC No. 16298353
Wear sunscreen unless you want to age at warp speed like scottie scheffler
Anonymous at Sun, 28 Jul 2024 01:33:46 UTC No. 16299796
>>16298353
sunscreen causes skin cancer
Anonymous at Sun, 28 Jul 2024 22:29:19 UTC No. 16301000
>>16298353
>t. sunscreen inc. AI bot