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Anonymous at Sun, 14 Jul 2024 02:43:31 UTC No. 16280926
Is it possible to calculate the odds of a bullet missing a target by this close?
Anonymous at Sun, 14 Jul 2024 02:49:10 UTC No. 16280930
>>16280926
it's not an odds thing or it missing or any of that, he jerked his head to the right just as the trigger was being pulled, if he hadn't it would have got him in the back of the head
Anonymous at Sun, 14 Jul 2024 03:22:21 UTC No. 16280963
>>16280926
No, because there are too many unknown parameters. For instance, was the shooter an excellent shot or a lousy shot? Maybe the shooter normally would have made this shot easily and so he got extremely unlucky. Or maybe the shooter normally can't hit the broad side of a barn and so he got extremely lucky to even miss this closely. We don't know these or many other factors, so it's meaningless to guess at probabilities.
Anonymous at Sun, 14 Jul 2024 03:26:53 UTC No. 16280969
>>16280926
It was obviously staged, so the odds of missing were 100%
Anonymous at Sun, 14 Jul 2024 03:33:26 UTC No. 16280979
>>16280926
The odds are high.
High adrenaline, fear, far enough distance, non-profesional setup, short time frame for setup, etc
Anonymous at Sun, 14 Jul 2024 03:56:57 UTC No. 16280990
>>16280963
back in the old days guys like lee harvey oswald had the advantage of growing up with super cheap ammo, which allowed him to practice shooting as much as he wanted to and really hone his skills. you'd have to be a multimillionaire to do that kind of thing these days. i read a book by a guy who grew up out west in the 1920s and his dad gave him his first rifle when he was young and just let him loose, he ended up practicing shooting the blossoms off flowers that were swaying in the breeze until he could nail them every time, must've taken thousands and thousands of shells to acquire that skill.
theres nobody around who can shoot like that anymore.
Anonymous at Sun, 14 Jul 2024 04:10:43 UTC No. 16280995
you'll probably get a vacation from /k/ if you ask there. What I want to know is how much the wind deflected the bullet, which it definitely did. Assume a 55 grain spire point bullet moving at 2800 fps at the muzzle, and 8 mph wind directly perpendicular to the bullet's path. I think the wind saved his life.
Anonymous at Sun, 14 Jul 2024 05:07:33 UTC No. 16281018
>>16280926
a much more interesting question is can anyone calculate the shutter speed, ISO, and frames per second that make this odds of legitimately capturing this still photo of a bullet in flight not astronomically impossible.
🗑️ Anonymous at Sun, 14 Jul 2024 05:09:14 UTC No. 16281019
>>16280926
Odds aren't really a meaningful thing to calculate here. It's not like the bullets were raindrops that could have hit anything in the area and just happened to land close to his head. Trump lived because of a combination of 1) heads being small moving targets which are difficult to engage without lots of training, 2) the shooter being a fuckup retard whose plan amounted to "pop up over the roof and mag dump," 3) moving his head at just the right time, and 4) luck.
>>16280995
It was a 135 meter shot, at those ranges wind plays little factor unless it's really fucking strong. Most likely he just jerked the trigger due to nerves since he was trying to snap up over the rooftop and fire before getting hosed by the Secret Service.
Anonymous at Sun, 14 Jul 2024 05:39:05 UTC No. 16281032
>>16280926
Yes, approximately 3.6 roentgen
Anonymous at Sun, 14 Jul 2024 05:42:35 UTC No. 16281036
>>16281019
How about the Coriolis effect
Anonymous at Sun, 14 Jul 2024 05:44:48 UTC No. 16281037
🗑️ Anonymous at Sun, 14 Jul 2024 06:09:53 UTC No. 16281048
>>16281036
Nigga what?
At 1000 meters, the Coriolis effect might cause a round to be off by a few inches. At the distance this shooting took place at it's a non-factor.
Go rent an AR and blast some targets sometime. An average, untrained person practicing decent fundamentals can learn to hit man-sized targets out to 300 meters or so in an afternoon. Shit's not hard, you're thinking of this whole thing as some kind of super difficult sniper shot when it wasn't.
The retard who tried shooting Trump probably never even tried practicing, or his nerves were fried, and he had little time to get stable or line up his shot since he tried popping up over the roof and firing immediately, which is why he failed.
>>16281037
Does it matter, either way?
Anonymous at Sun, 14 Jul 2024 06:11:53 UTC No. 16281050
there were people noticing him and shouting "gun" before the shooting
https://is2.4chan.org/gif/172092877
there is also an interview with a tipsy man who's saying he and the people he was with had been trying to alert secret service/police to the rifleman for a few minutes
https://is2.4chan.org/gif/172091861
im thinking the shooter panicked because he was found out and did not have proper time to set up his first shot, plus according to the last briefing, according to state police, the rest of the shots by the shooter were scattered. Hopefully the inspector general or whomever is writing up the report for this does a really good job because i want to read it.
So >>16280926 , i think the odds were almost zero for missing, except things outside of his control caused him to panic. dont know the odds for that.
Anonymous at Sun, 14 Jul 2024 06:12:03 UTC No. 16281051
>>16280926
>>16281037
It is the top part of his right ear which was injured, the bullet I OPs pic does not seem on target for that.
Anyway, our boy got lucky.
Anonymous at Sun, 14 Jul 2024 06:32:14 UTC No. 16281063
>>16281050
>Hopefully the inspector general or whomever is writing up the report for this does a really good job because i want to read it.
They won't, enjoy ur Warren commission sack of bullcrap
🗑️ Anonymous at Sun, 14 Jul 2024 06:49:58 UTC No. 16281069
>>16280926
Don't worry anon, we'll get him next time.
Trump rallies are now high-risk events.
Anonymous at Sun, 14 Jul 2024 07:21:52 UTC No. 16281093
>>16281069
'I Like People Who Weren't Shot At'
Anonymous at Sun, 14 Jul 2024 07:41:38 UTC No. 16281110
>>16280995
NO chance the wind had an effect at 130m. Just google wind effect on a bullet. It's negligible at that range.
Anonymous at Sun, 14 Jul 2024 08:12:55 UTC No. 16281121
>>16280926
The shooter was trans. There was a 41% uncertainty whether he shoots himself instead of the target.
Anonymous at Sun, 14 Jul 2024 08:29:14 UTC No. 16281125
>>16281110
the smaller the bullet, the easier it is to push it off course. I usually shoot at about that range because it's hard to get consecutive hits but fun to try, and I see my rifle-fired .38 specials drift up to maybe 4" from a particularly robust gust of wind; however they are moving 3x slower, but are also 3x heavier. Big shells fired from tanks have effectively zero wind drift in any condition, because they weigh so much compared to the air they're pushing out of the way. There is an effect at that range, no matter how little you want there to be. The math is there, someone has it, just not you or me.
Anonymous at Sun, 14 Jul 2024 08:56:26 UTC No. 16281141
>>16281050
>panicked
No he didn't. He had several minutes to ready his shot, since the secret service just ignored the random civilians pointing at the shooter and telling them to neutralize him. They just stood around not doing anything, until he fired 5 shots, despite having a rifle aimed at the former president.
Makes you think.
Anonymous at Sun, 14 Jul 2024 09:17:35 UTC No. 16281153
>>16281141
we have a whole other board for discussing the non-science aspects of this event. Guns and bullets are very physics-y though, and the board for guns bans you for talking about political events, so bullet physics discussions go here instead of the racebait board. That said, there was a tree blocking the roof police sniper's view of the shooter, and him jumping with fright shows he needs more training.
Did you know a bullet fired perfectly level out of a gun and a bullet dropped from your hand fall at the same rate? Most guns are sighted in to throw the bullet up a couple inches though, to increase the range at which you hold the sights dead on the target, beyond which you have to aim over the target.
Anonymous at Sun, 14 Jul 2024 09:59:34 UTC No. 16281197
50/50
either it hit him or it didnt
Anonymous at Sun, 14 Jul 2024 10:20:51 UTC No. 16281216
100% was using some cheap ass walmart bullets instead of matchgrade
Anonymous at Sun, 14 Jul 2024 10:47:56 UTC No. 16281239
>>16281153
>instead of the racebait board
but this is the racebait board?
Anonymous at Sun, 14 Jul 2024 11:08:47 UTC No. 16281252
>>16281018
>>a much more interesting question is can anyone calculate the shutter speed, ISO, and frames per second that make this odds of legitimately capturing this still photo of a bullet in flight not astronomically impossible.
Dozens of photographers and their cameras take ten photographs a second. For ONE of them to capture an image of the bullet is not unlikely.
Anonymous at Sun, 14 Jul 2024 11:09:32 UTC No. 16281253
>>16281037
Fake news.
🗑️ Anonymous at Sun, 14 Jul 2024 12:31:56 UTC No. 16281318
>>16281153
>Did you know a bullet fired perfectly level out of a gun and a bullet dropped from your hand fall at the same rate? Most guns are sighted in to throw the bullet up a couple inches though
No.
Three things, first, bullets are spin-stabilized and can generate a non-negligible amount of aerodynamic lift, so 9.8 m/s^2 is the maximum rate that they'll drop; in reality it's going to be less.
Second, the shooter was maybe 200 feet away. If we assume .223 ammunition (just a guess) with a muzzle velocity of 3250 feet per second, that gives the bullet slightly less than 62 milliseconds of air time, in which it will drop less than 3/4ths of an inch. The kinematic equation in play here is:
[math]x_{drop}=\frac{1}{2}g\left(\f
, where [math]x_{drop}[/math] is the bullet drop, [math]g[/math] is 9.8 m/s^2, [math]d[/math] is the shooter distance, and [math]v[/math] is the bullet velocity.
Third, assuming Trump's ear was actually clipped by the bullet, that means the bullet was at the correct height and the shooter missed laterally. So the bullet drop didn't play a role in missing the shot.
Anonymous at Sun, 14 Jul 2024 13:02:57 UTC No. 16281330
>>16280990
>you'd have to be a multimillionaire to do that kind of thing these days
>>16280990
>must've taken thousands and thousands of shells to acquire that skill
that's only like a few thousand to ten thousand dollars now, no need to be millionaire...
the rifle might crook first tho, be sure to buy high quality rifle.
🗑️ Anonymous at Sun, 14 Jul 2024 14:01:28 UTC No. 16281360
>>16281141
HOLY SHIT TRUMP NEEDS TO FIRE HIS SECRET SERVICE DETAIL NOW AND HIRE ONLY PROUD BOYS
Anonymous at Sun, 14 Jul 2024 15:23:05 UTC No. 16281413
>>16281330
"yeah man just spend
>a few thousand to ten thousand dollars
shooting daisy's"
🗑️ Anonymous at Sun, 14 Jul 2024 15:34:44 UTC No. 16281415
>>16281141
From watching footage of the event, it seems to me that the first three shots were from the shooter. The secret service had their sights on him but for some reason didn't fire, and seemed to initially think that the shooter was firing at them (the secret service) rather than Trump. After the initial three shots, there was a 1-2 second pause, and then three more shots in rapid succession. I believe those were the return fire shots from the secret service that killed the shooter.
So, six shots in total; three from the shooter, then three from the secret service.
Anonymous at Sun, 14 Jul 2024 16:46:54 UTC No. 16281463
>>16281252
>not unlikely
>no calculations to back up his empty opinion
if you don't know just don't say anything retard.
Anonymous at Sun, 14 Jul 2024 17:03:16 UTC No. 16281477
>>16281463
Let's see your calculations, faggot.
Anonymous at Sun, 14 Jul 2024 17:27:20 UTC No. 16281493
>>16281050
that british phenotype.
Anonymous at Sun, 14 Jul 2024 17:37:09 UTC No. 16281503
>>16281477
I realize you're too retarded to follow a reply chain but I'm not the one that made the assertion.
Anonymous at Sun, 14 Jul 2024 17:44:47 UTC No. 16281507
>>16281413
that's not much different from shooting beer cans or some random shit in your backyard. and the few thousands spending is just a once and done. once you acquire a good shooting skill you don't need that much practice anymore.
those massive gunfaggots spend tens of thousands on random rifles every year so it's not that big of a deal spending ten thousands to train their own sons to know how to shoot things.
Anonymous at Sun, 14 Jul 2024 17:46:56 UTC No. 16281510
>>16280930
So he can basically dodge bullets. That's kinda impressive.
Anonymous at Sun, 14 Jul 2024 17:48:21 UTC No. 16281512
>>16281413
A few thousand dollars for your hobby over the course of several years isn't that much. You see retards working in fast food joints with thousands of dollars of tattoos. They could have spent that money on ammunition instead, if target shooting was what they liked to do.
🗑️ Anonymous at Sun, 14 Jul 2024 17:55:10 UTC No. 16281515
>>16281050
>trump injured
what kind of a fucked up terminology is that?
a workplace injury? are they woke or just british?
Anonymous at Sun, 14 Jul 2024 18:26:59 UTC No. 16281541
100% guaranteed the shooter was also a global warming activist
Anonymous at Sun, 14 Jul 2024 19:47:29 UTC No. 16281585
>>16280990
>theres nobody around who can shoot like that anymore.
if you want insane amounts of practice on the cheap, pick a .177 airgun these days
Anonymous at Sun, 14 Jul 2024 20:11:17 UTC No. 16281603
Staged. That's professional wrestling stuff and he used a ketchup packet
Inb4 medsss
Anonymous at Sun, 14 Jul 2024 20:12:03 UTC No. 16281605
>>16281603
take your med
Anonymous at Sun, 14 Jul 2024 20:39:00 UTC No. 16281615
>>16281608
Just a coincidence. What are the odds?
Anonymous at Sun, 14 Jul 2024 20:40:28 UTC No. 16281616
>>16281603
I bet either Sleepy Joe recruited him through some Trump PAC, or Trump recruited him through some Sleepy Joe PAC.