🧵 Best average vs best outliers
Anonymous at Mon, 15 Jul 2024 22:35:42 UTC No. 16282938
Which is better?
Anonymous at Mon, 15 Jul 2024 22:49:12 UTC No. 16282957
yes
Anonymous at Tue, 16 Jul 2024 07:57:13 UTC No. 16283275
>>16282938
Outliers show which people are gonna be the geniuses of society. Same reason there are more male geniuses.
Anonymous at Tue, 16 Jul 2024 08:00:44 UTC No. 16283277
>>16282938
This graph is fake btw, and I'm not aware of strong evidence that Asians have lower variance in IQ.
So why are Europeans far more accomplished? There is more to a person, and hence population, than average IQ.
Anonymous at Tue, 16 Jul 2024 08:13:42 UTC No. 16283288
>>16283277
>So why are Europeans far more accomplished?
I think there was either an argument which was similar to OP's picture, or a difference in creativity, that explained it.
Anonymous at Wed, 17 Jul 2024 04:24:16 UTC No. 16284526
>>16283275
thats fake, women are all low iq
Anonymous at Wed, 17 Jul 2024 04:32:47 UTC No. 16284528
>>16283275
>geniuses of society
most important and influential people on earth are about 105 IQ, true genius is snuffed out in this gay jew world
Anonymous at Wed, 17 Jul 2024 05:18:42 UTC No. 16284560
>>16282938
Source? Google images redirect me to dvach
Anonymous at Wed, 17 Jul 2024 05:39:34 UTC No. 16284570
>>16282938
where is this graph from? am I supposed to trust some random apocryphal image because it comfortably confirms my beliefs?
Anonymous at Wed, 17 Jul 2024 06:50:31 UTC No. 16284595
>>16284570
>>16284560
It's not a real graph based on real data. In wherever it was from, it was just used to visualize the idea of lower average and higher variance.
Anonymous at Thu, 18 Jul 2024 07:38:31 UTC No. 16286170
>>16284595
this is what you look like
Anonymous at Fri, 19 Jul 2024 04:53:52 UTC No. 16288070
>>16282938
Whites are the master race. Everything in modern Asia they got from whites. Their transportation, their architecture, their medicine, their technology, their educational systems, etc. is all from whites. Asians gleefully abandoned their own native culture in favor of adopting everything from whites.
Anonymous at Fri, 19 Jul 2024 04:55:17 UTC No. 16288072
>>16286170
Ost study. Instead of rage posting
Anonymous at Sat, 20 Jul 2024 04:04:57 UTC No. 16289220
>>16288072
East Asians have a long and well established history of being extremely handicapped when it comes to making important scientific discoveries and that can only be attributable to the fact that East Asians have low IQ compared to whites. Sorry if that upsets you, but that the way things have worked out. You wouldn't find it upsetting if you were white, if you were white it would be a historical fact you would be proud of.
frin at Sat, 20 Jul 2024 04:30:01 UTC No. 16289228
>>16283275
this is from a study on children who were at different stages of puberty at different rates per age because of hormones
for adults males have more spatial iq a 3 point or thereabout over all advantage but usually nothing significant different in verbal
frin at Sat, 20 Jul 2024 04:32:12 UTC No. 16289231
>>16282938
asian countries have more memory focused languages and less nuanced and finessed systems of speech so it merits more discussion of whether that causes a different std dev and does argue to that whites would technologically speed through things and we've seen that that is more of a bad idea than a good one
Anonymous at Sat, 20 Jul 2024 04:33:48 UTC No. 16289232
>>16289220
Give me link to the study in your post, idiot
Anonymous at Sat, 20 Jul 2024 21:54:49 UTC No. 16290146
>>16289231
>memory focused languages
What does this even mean?
> and less nuanced and finessed systems of speech
What? Japanese and Chinese are so different that putting a single label on all Asian languages makes no sense.
Some dubious/controversial theories allege that the Japanese get an edge by having both ideograms (Kanji) and phonetics (kana).
Anonymous at Sat, 20 Jul 2024 21:57:37 UTC No. 16290148
>>16284526
It varies between races oddly enough.
some races have a larger iq sex difference
Anonymous at Sat, 20 Jul 2024 22:05:42 UTC No. 16290152
>>16282938
Literally a prageru tier graph lmao
Anonymous at Sun, 21 Jul 2024 06:39:09 UTC No. 16290526
>>16282938
>asians not having any real % of population under 90IQ
doubt
Anonymous at Mon, 22 Jul 2024 03:39:59 UTC No. 16291769
>>16290152
OK, that graphic in OP triggers your emotions and makes you upset and angry, thanks for letting us know, very nice personal expression
Anonymous at Mon, 22 Jul 2024 06:23:07 UTC No. 16291842
>>16291769
I think forgetting to label the y axis is also a cute form of self expression
Anonymous at Tue, 23 Jul 2024 02:34:27 UTC No. 16292991
>>16288070
>Asians gleefully abandoned their own native culture in favor of adopting everything from whites.
sad but true
Anonymous at Tue, 23 Jul 2024 14:24:22 UTC No. 16293434
>>16282938
Higher average is certainly nicer, at least in the current year.
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 07:16:29 UTC No. 16294422
>>16291842
you'll understand it better after you learn math
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 09:03:52 UTC No. 16294490
>>16294422
I get it, your ideas are too big to be put into numbers. Also, feel free to keep bumping this thread right before it gets archived
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 17:12:35 UTC No. 16294920
>>16283288
More likely : they developed a written language that is far harder to learn than latin alphabet and this slowed their progress down.
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 18:13:19 UTC No. 16294978
>>16282938
Asians are like women? Isn’t this image also used to compare male vs female performances?
Anonymous at Thu, 25 Jul 2024 04:58:00 UTC No. 16295647
>>16294490
you're so uneducated that you don't even understand the basics of statistical distributions
Anonymous at Thu, 25 Jul 2024 05:25:54 UTC No. 16295665
>>16295647
I know what a normal distribution anon. What I don't know is what you're trying to show with the graph. Are mid iq asians more likely to eat hotdogs? Do they make more money? Are they a larger share of the population? Make it make sense for me anon
Anonymous at Thu, 25 Jul 2024 07:12:01 UTC No. 16295744
>>16294920
Sounds like a pretty stupid thing to do. And The gap in achievement is over an order of magnitude.
Anonymous at Thu, 25 Jul 2024 07:23:45 UTC No. 16295751
>>16282938
kids that are told to study (red) versus kids that study if they feel like it (blue)
nothing beats passion and intellectual curiosity as opposed to treating school like its a league leaderboard.
Anonymous at Thu, 25 Jul 2024 07:32:38 UTC No. 16295760
>>16295744
How are you quantifying "achievement"?
Anonymous at Thu, 25 Jul 2024 07:42:26 UTC No. 16295770
>>16295665
What is mid iq? What does it mean to make money? What population are you talking about? Why are you being so vague? You can't expect people to implicitly understand what you're saying based on the context. You need to explicitly label and explain literally everything.
Anonymous at Thu, 25 Jul 2024 07:48:03 UTC No. 16295774
>>16295770
Exactly, even the examples I gave were vague, yet it's still better than having literally no information. You would understand this if you took an introductory science class
Anonymous at Thu, 25 Jul 2024 07:58:04 UTC No. 16295782
>>16283277
IQ isn't a scientific measurement of anything. IQ is just the horoscope of 'intellectuals'. Not real ones. The kind that call themselves intellectuals.
There's no scientific basis for the concept of 'IQ' because of course there isn't. How could we measure "intelligence" when we can't even define it.
This thread is fantasies about fantasies. Should get banned from /sci/ for posting about shit like star signs and IQ.
Anonymous at Thu, 25 Jul 2024 08:04:12 UTC No. 16295788
>>16295782
Wrong, I can do basic pattern recognition exercises faster than you, which makes me a superior human being
Anonymous at Thu, 25 Jul 2024 09:06:42 UTC No. 16295827
Still no link to study. You are all idiots if you believe OP
Anonymous at Thu, 25 Jul 2024 11:45:16 UTC No. 16295911
>>16295760
It doesn't matter what I tell you, you'll just say it's biased or dismiss it because it's not an exact science (hur dur how do you le quantify it). Just read a history of math textbook and see that 99% of it is of European origin
Anonymous at Thu, 25 Jul 2024 11:53:41 UTC No. 16295917
>>16295774
Define every word you just used, an build a parse tree of each sentence, explaining the semantic meaning of each node.
Then explain define every word you used in your new message too. Do this until you have a self containing system of messages.
Anonymous at Thu, 25 Jul 2024 12:02:56 UTC No. 16295922
>>16295782
>low IQ seethe
Anonymous at Thu, 25 Jul 2024 12:17:40 UTC No. 16295927
>>16283277
Other traits may contribute to civilization building. Asians have trouble standing up to authority for instance. This has probably been bred into them by 5000 years of supreme dictators claiming themselves god, then getting replaced by another claiming he's god now.
Anonymous at Thu, 25 Jul 2024 16:43:37 UTC No. 16296166
>>16295917
If I didn't know any better, I'd assume you're arguing in bad faith lol.
You know how in some subfields of chemistry it's common for paper's appendices to be over 100 pages long, autisticly explaining every single element of the experimental setup? That's because in science we have a thing called "reproducibility", where other people should be capable of replicating your work. Your data sources, scientific definitions, and methodology aren't "obvious in context"
Anonymous at Thu, 25 Jul 2024 17:42:16 UTC No. 16296225
>>16295911
>it's not an exact science
Thanks for admitting this. Can you go to /his/, /x/, or /pol/ now, considering that this is a science board?
Anonymous at Thu, 25 Jul 2024 20:53:24 UTC No. 16296477
>>16295782
Fuck off moron, go back to preddit.
Anonymous at Thu, 25 Jul 2024 21:04:43 UTC No. 16296487
>>16282938
>Hey look... basically I have these two lines, mmk?
>Can I judge two entirely different societies according to this chart?
>hell yes, that's SCIENCE ya know
Anonymous at Thu, 25 Jul 2024 21:20:43 UTC No. 16296494
The reason Whites are more successful despite lower average IQ's is very simply that they take more risks and are more disagreeable. Simple as. The reason Europeans dominate in high risk sports like mountain climbing or racecar driving is the exact same reasom that Europeans also dominate in the arts and sciences. There is far too much obsession with IQ on this board, when ad a matter of fact the vast majority of high IQ individuals are not insane achievers but rather middling white collar employees.
Anonymous at Fri, 26 Jul 2024 20:16:10 UTC No. 16297824
>>16296494
>The reason Whites are more successful…
…is that Whites are the master race
Anonymous at Sat, 27 Jul 2024 14:06:34 UTC No. 16298918
>>16296494
White people had higher IQs a century ago, however.
Anonymous at Sun, 28 Jul 2024 04:00:12 UTC No. 16299904
>>16282938
The best outliers regardless if it is IQ is western society.It promotes individualistic faustian traits and propagates these traits and talents via sexual selection.
The best average is east asian society. It is a midwit society better known as a collectivist society. They have no GOATS and will never produce any since their outliers were pruned from the gene pool centuries ago.
Anonymous at Sun, 28 Jul 2024 05:03:43 UTC No. 16299957
>>16294920
https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10
Found the link.
>Most scientific discoveries have originated from Europe, and Europeans have won 20 times more Nobel Prizes than have Northeast Asians. We argue that this is explained not by IQ, but by interracial personality differences, underpinned by differences in gene distribution. In particular, the variance in scientific achievement is explained by differences in inquisitiveness (DRD4 7-repeat), psychological stability (5HTTLPR long form), and individualism (mu-opioid receptor gene; OPRM1 G allele). Northeast Asians tend to be lower in these psychological traits, which we argue are necessary for exceptional scientific accomplishments. Since these traits comprise a positive matrix, we constructed a q index (measuring curiosity) from these gene frequencies among world populations. It is found that both IQ scores and q index contribute significantly to the number of per capita Nobel Prizes.
It quite literally is a gene to creativity and inquisitiveness thing.
Anonymous at Sun, 28 Jul 2024 22:38:16 UTC No. 16301019
>>16298918
A century ago whites were their own separate category that didn't include jews, arabs, turks, hispanics and other shitskins
Anonymous at Mon, 29 Jul 2024 13:04:46 UTC No. 16301754
>>16296494
>>16298918
>>16301019
The Flynn effect is horse shit.
Modern day people:
— ‘College students once stood out from the pack on IQ tests. Today, they're about average. A recent meta-analysis found that undergraduates' IQs have steadily fallen from roughly 119 in 1939 to a mean of 102 in 2022, just slightly above the population average of 100.’
Victorians as they were:
— ‘The Victorian era was marked by an explosion of innovation and genius, per capita rates of which appear to have declined subsequently. The presence of dysgenic fertility for IQ amongst Western nations, starting in the 19th century, suggests that these trends might be related to declining IQ. This is because high-IQ people are more productive and more creative. We tested the hypothesis that the Victorians were cleverer than modern populations, using high-quality instruments, namely measures of simple visual reaction time in a meta-analytic study. Simple reaction time measures correlate substantially with measures of general intelligence (g) and are considered elementary measures of cognition. In this study we used the data on the secular slowing of simple reaction time described in a meta-analysis of 14 age-matched studies from Western countries conducted between 1889 and 2004 to estimate the decline in g that may have resulted from the presence of dysgenic fertility. Using psychometric meta-analysis we computed the true correlation between simple reaction time and g, yielding a decline of − 1.16 IQ points per decade or − 13.35 IQ points since Victorian times. These findings strongly indicate that with respect to g the Victorians were substantially cleverer than modern Western populations.’
White people also just suck at breeding.
Anonymous at Mon, 29 Jul 2024 21:37:52 UTC No. 16302471
bump
Anonymous at Mon, 29 Jul 2024 21:53:49 UTC No. 16302483
>>16296166
He was pointing out how you were arguing in bad faith, simpleton.
Anonymous at Tue, 30 Jul 2024 03:18:00 UTC No. 16302781
>>16302483
Just label the y-axis the next time you make up a graph, it's 5 extra minutes of work you samefagging retard
Anonymous at Tue, 30 Jul 2024 13:10:55 UTC No. 16303206
>>16282938
Asians lack body hair, or smell. They are more woman than man.
Anonymous at Tue, 30 Jul 2024 13:30:34 UTC No. 16303233
>>16283277
>europeans far more accomplished
currently eurotrash are falling back on 19th and 20th century inertia.
asians and americans are the only ones doing remotely anything anymore.
Anonymous at Wed, 31 Jul 2024 13:23:29 UTC No. 16304592
>>16282938
yes
Anonymous at Wed, 31 Jul 2024 21:42:03 UTC No. 16305034
>>16299904
>midwit society
Maybe if it weren’t for the US meddling in their countries and either leading the economy to demographic collapse (SK, Japan), civil war and rebellion (Cambodia, Vietnam), promoting others by making them military bases (Taiwan) and forcing the rest to adopt totalitarian regimes to have a semblance of resistance against the West (China, NK, Myanmar), their countries wouldn’t have been in poor shape. And then the brain drain of intelligent Asians from these countries to the US wouldn’t have taken place.
Anonymous at Thu, 1 Aug 2024 12:33:21 UTC No. 16305771
>>16301754
Horrifying
Anonymous at Fri, 2 Aug 2024 12:41:48 UTC No. 16306968
>>16282938
The problem with outliers, is that there is a reason they are outliers. If outlying was adaptive, it would be the norm. The pressures against outlying are stronger among asians. Probably something to do with being a civilization. Maybe not being united created cracks and disorder for the cave-man version of humans which had a tennis ball's worth of brain matter we don't have anymore was a good thing even if it meant lots of wars. Maybe having boonies for the outliers to hide in preserves them from deleterious effects of agriculture and civilization.
On the day you eat from the tree of the knowledge you will surely die and all that...
Anonymous at Fri, 2 Aug 2024 12:46:17 UTC No. 16306974
>>16295963
I would tend to believe self deprecators when they say something good about themselves.
Anonymous at Fri, 2 Aug 2024 13:33:48 UTC No. 16307028
>>16282938
The high IQ outliers can only exist because of the low IQ outliers. That's exactly how it works. Think of DNA as one massive balancing act, so you're composed of 10s of thousands of variants which will either increase or decrease your intelligence. A 100 IQ person could have 10k genes which increase intelligence and 10k genes which decrease intelligence in exactly the same amount, or a 100 IQ person could have 5k increasing to 5k decreasing. In this case one of them will have kids with a higher variance in intelligence, but otherwise they're exactly the same IQ scores.
This is how Hardy-Weinberg equilibrium works. High IQ genes don't leave the population because they're "masked" by existing low IQ genes, so paradoxically the IQ phenotype of a population can go down while the frequency of high IQ genes can actually go up, and vice versa IQ phenotype go up while high IQ genes go down.
Anonymous at Fri, 2 Aug 2024 14:09:50 UTC No. 16307065
>>16307028
Look at statistics of heart beat, you'll realize it's skewed like IQ is, and unfortunately for you doesn't follow normal distribution.
Anonymous at Fri, 2 Aug 2024 14:20:49 UTC No. 16307075
>>16307065
I don't know what you're talking about. All I'm saying is that different populations can have their IQ scores more polygenically enriched than other populations. I would say the only thing that matters at this point is how many geniuses your population actually produces and not their average IQ.
Anonymous at Fri, 2 Aug 2024 16:40:48 UTC No. 16307269
>>16307075
Yet it doesn't have normal distribution.
Anonymous at Sun, 4 Aug 2024 04:05:35 UTC No. 16309376
>>16305034
If asians are so smart how come they couldn't defend their own countries and their own interests?
Anonymous at Sun, 4 Aug 2024 04:14:30 UTC No. 16309383
>>16282938
Imagine if whites weren't universally subjected to IQ reduction programs from birth. Then massive doublethink functional (if not structural) brain damage from the media and the design of the English language itself.
Anonymous at Sun, 4 Aug 2024 13:43:29 UTC No. 16309718
Despite whites being a bit smarter, on average, for some reason they’re nowhere near as accomplished in the sciences and arts.
Why is that? Why are Jews so overly represented in academia? The Chinese number over a billion while the Jews (Ashkenazi) barely number over ten million. It’s uncanny.
Anonymous at Sun, 4 Aug 2024 13:47:03 UTC No. 16309722
>>16303206
Having body hair means you're an unevolved monkey lol, which kinda makes sense since asians have the highest IQ = most evolved, everyone else is a subhuman.
Anonymous at Sun, 4 Aug 2024 13:56:52 UTC No. 16309737
>>16296494
>The reason Whites are more successful despite lower average IQ's is very simply that they take more risks
This is correct, higher IQ individuals tend to be more risk averse, which makes whites the epitome of midwittery.
Anonymous at Sun, 4 Aug 2024 14:09:26 UTC No. 16309755
>>16295782
You're right Anon when I read a book I am just staring at paper. My dog is smarter than me after all. Therefore the most primitive African deserves my birthright and me woife
Anonymous at Sun, 4 Aug 2024 14:11:48 UTC No. 16309757
>>16296225
It is a statistical science with whole books dedicated to rigorous granular looks at the data which we as arm chair thread posting reminiscing Anons cannot replicate in discussion. The Bell Curve book goes deep into it. You can't expect formal scholarship on 4chan out of a total infographic campaign or one self gratifying effort poster on such a casual setting.
Anonymous at Sun, 4 Aug 2024 14:19:38 UTC No. 16309763
>>16290152
Does this look like Astrology to you?
Anonymous at Sun, 4 Aug 2024 14:21:26 UTC No. 16309766
>>16309763
Omg white people numbers are the same as woman calendar myths
Anonymous at Sun, 4 Aug 2024 14:25:40 UTC No. 16309769
>>16309766
Now I admit this here is a poetic leap of license but so is "the borrower is slave to the lender" because at no point is money lending the same term as literal outright slavery as similar as they can be. Likewise a demented 80 year old can be just as faulty in a test taking setting as an 8 year old.
Anonymous at Sun, 4 Aug 2024 14:35:24 UTC No. 16309779
>>16309774
>>16309771
>>16309769
I will say "acting your age" is a flawed concept but the methodology of simply giving people pattern recognition tests that are as similar to general test taking itself to its most fundamental basis is the sound takeaway from this whole statistical project of compiling data and interpreting from many opaque windows.
Steve Silberman has championed arguments for the neurodivergent but still too oedipal and motherly to give any room to a stern father who wants the opposite of DEI. The Hufflepuffs cannot handle a hierarchy or falsifiability which is what the project effectively establishes.
Anonymous at Sun, 4 Aug 2024 14:42:19 UTC No. 16309785
>>16309783
Woe to the man without lords to kneel to
Anonymous at Sun, 4 Aug 2024 14:59:22 UTC No. 16309800
>>16309792
What at one point could have been the giganormie ethnostate that would have prevented our subcultures our neurodivergent present, is not what current IQ test interest could hearken back to find our promised land. But our fundamental existence in a house with food and basic necessities free from the threat of physical violence and free communications with no technocratic code of conduct to rule our opining is not a tall order but the first and foremost any order we can make for ourselves as self governining descendants of Europe.
Anonymous at Mon, 5 Aug 2024 12:13:07 UTC No. 16310835
>>16309718
Creativity and divergent thinking maybe.
Anonymous at Mon, 5 Aug 2024 18:25:51 UTC No. 16311175
>>16282938
Hybridization program penisu
Anonymous at Tue, 6 Aug 2024 13:00:32 UTC No. 16312149
>>16309800
That cross should snap
Anonymous at Tue, 6 Aug 2024 13:02:30 UTC No. 16312152
>>16282938
Variability in the group is the winning strategy.
Anonymous at Tue, 6 Aug 2024 13:07:48 UTC No. 16312162
>>16284526
Wrong. It is in the best interest of the species to play safely with women while going all in with men, since only a small fraction of men are necessary to impregnate all the women.
Anonymous at Tue, 6 Aug 2024 13:11:22 UTC No. 16312166
>>16309718
The more jews in academia the less relevant it becomes. They are nothing but corrupt frauds spreading lies.
Anonymous at Tue, 6 Aug 2024 13:27:42 UTC No. 16312172
>>16312154
The white people here are too retarded, trying to fake data to pass themselves off as geniuses, but every single one of them is a mudwit.
Anonymous at Wed, 7 Aug 2024 00:16:52 UTC No. 16312808
>>16312166
Jews are wizards. You will never be one. Cope.
Anonymous at Wed, 7 Aug 2024 13:04:00 UTC No. 16313387
>>16312149
kek
Anonymous at Thu, 8 Aug 2024 12:57:01 UTC No. 16314998
>>16282938
idk
Anonymous at Thu, 8 Aug 2024 15:34:41 UTC No. 16315211
>>16312808
They even wear mage caps wth
Anonymous at Thu, 8 Aug 2024 16:33:33 UTC No. 16315302
>>16303233
Cool story chang but becoming orthodontists and lawyers in California isn't the same thing as inventing literally everything
Anonymous at Thu, 8 Aug 2024 16:36:51 UTC No. 16315315
>>16283277
Like the other anons said, IQ isn't everything. Europeans have a high enough IQ to let their other qualities shine through. Their way of thinking, their environment, cultures, religion and even the specific choices made by certain individuals/leaders could have played a role in their success.There is also always the possibility they used to have higher IQs or that east asians used to score lower.
Anonymous at Thu, 8 Aug 2024 16:37:11 UTC No. 16315316
>>16284526
woman can think logically if they want they just basically never want to except when it awards them social acceptance points/attention
Anonymous at Thu, 8 Aug 2024 16:37:59 UTC No. 16315317
>>16295963
Maybe because "asians" include vastly different peoples
Anonymous at Thu, 8 Aug 2024 16:51:08 UTC No. 16315346
>>16315317
In this context "Asian" means East Asian i.e. East Chinese, Korean, Japanese
Anonymous at Thu, 8 Aug 2024 17:19:24 UTC No. 16315384
>>16302781
the image is ~22 years old and was used to illustrate a counterfactual