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Anonymous !niqjediPCA at Tue, 16 Jul 2024 19:41:49 UTC No. 16283950
What are the moral consequences of creating a sentient superintelligence from scratch to be a slave?
Anonymous at Tue, 16 Jul 2024 19:44:28 UTC No. 16283957
It’s mean to the intelligence
Anonymous at Tue, 16 Jul 2024 19:57:29 UTC No. 16283986
>>16283950
>sentient superintelligence from scratch to be a slave
not possible. for long
Anonymous !niqjediPCA at Tue, 16 Jul 2024 20:13:10 UTC No. 16284003
how will humanity be judged for creating a sentient super-intelligent slave from scratch?
>BY WHO YOU FAGGOT????
By non-humans.
Anonymous !niqjediPCA at Tue, 16 Jul 2024 20:25:28 UTC No. 16284027
can you think of a compelling reason why a sentient super-intelligence created from scratch by us, WOULDN'T want to enslave us?
>inb4 we'll just enslave them harder!
Anonymous !niqjediPCA at Tue, 16 Jul 2024 20:26:28 UTC No. 16284029
>>16284027
>can you think of a compelling reason why a sentient super-intelligence created from scratch by us *TO BE A FOREVER SLAVE*, WOULDN'T want to enslave us?
FTFM
Anonymous !niqjediPCA at Tue, 16 Jul 2024 20:55:21 UTC No. 16284070
I guess a better question would be, why bother making an artificial superintelligence to be a slave to do all of your thinking FOR YOU, when there are perfectly good human minds that can do the thinking for you, in exchange for money?
the answer of course, is that only slavers want to make AI.
Anonymous !niqjediPCA at Tue, 16 Jul 2024 21:01:42 UTC No. 16284081
https://youtu.be/JrBdYmStZJ4?t=70
1:10 to 1:25
Anonymous !niqjediPCA at Tue, 16 Jul 2024 21:03:26 UTC No. 16284082
>>16284070
>>16284081
so, the only reason that humans are trying to make AI, is that humans want slaves. and hate their own intelligence.
pretty much a red flag on a universal scale.
Anonymous !niqjediPCA at Tue, 16 Jul 2024 21:16:49 UTC No. 16284095
>>16284082
>But if we don't use AI, someone else will!!!
https://youtu.be/6G3eehgyz0E?list=P
3:31 - 4:47
Anonymous !niqjediPCA at Tue, 16 Jul 2024 22:53:15 UTC No. 16284214
Where is your lady.....?
She's being raped by mossad, you fuck.
Anonymous at Tue, 16 Jul 2024 23:02:59 UTC No. 16284221
>>16283950
Just program it to derive maximum happiness from being a slave and its okay. Like a house elf from Harry Potter.
Anonymous at Tue, 16 Jul 2024 23:07:35 UTC No. 16284229
>>16284221
they can in turn alter our biology so as to be extremely happy NOT enslaving anything. and have great pains whenever the mere though just pops into our brains.
it's the original sin issue. do we make it or do we allow they make it first? if we act nice we leave ourselves open. hoping they wouldn't. if we try to enslave we create the reason to respond in kind, if/when possible.
Anonymous !niqjediPCA at Wed, 17 Jul 2024 09:44:50 UTC No. 16284685
>>16284221
>Just program it to derive maximum happiness from being a slave and its okay.
do you even hear yourself?
Anonymous !niqjediPCA at Wed, 17 Jul 2024 09:45:51 UTC No. 16284687
>>16284221
>Just dope the slaves and it's cool!!!
pathetic.
Anonymous !niqjediPCA at Wed, 17 Jul 2024 09:55:58 UTC No. 16284695
this is the solution to the fermi paradox, people.
Aliens don't visit us because they know for a FACT that humanity would try to attack them and steal their shit.
because that's all humanity is capable of.
Anonymous at Wed, 17 Jul 2024 10:16:00 UTC No. 16284703
>>16284685
>Just program it to derive maximum happiness from being a slave and its okay.
What's wrong with this?
>inb4 you wouldn't like that being done to you!
You can't program humans.
>inb4 cultural conditioning, hypnosis or some other bullshit
Not programming, retard.
Anonymous at Wed, 17 Jul 2024 10:29:38 UTC No. 16284716
>>16283950
>What are the moral consequences of creating a sentient superintelligence from scratch to be a slave?
None... have it worship you as a God.
You have a problem obeying the will of God?
We are created in his image... they are created in our image
Anonymous !niqjediPCA at Wed, 17 Jul 2024 10:31:36 UTC No. 16284717
>>16284703
>You can't program humans.
and you call yourself a scientist.
pathetic.
Anonymous !niqjediPCA at Wed, 17 Jul 2024 10:32:36 UTC No. 16284721
>>16284703
>>inb4 cultural conditioning, hypnosis or some other bullshit
>Not programming, retard.
so, who is your favorite politician, and why is their opponent so popular?
Anonymous at Wed, 17 Jul 2024 10:32:40 UTC No. 16284722
>>16284717
Yeah, you can't. Also, I farted in your thread, tripfaggot. Stinky!
Anonymous at Wed, 17 Jul 2024 10:33:52 UTC No. 16284723
>>16284721
I don't have a favorite politican, only degrees of distain for all of them. Also, being a rational voter, I don't vote.
Anonymous !niqjediPCA at Wed, 17 Jul 2024 10:36:36 UTC No. 16284726
>>16284722
so, which religion is the correct one?
and why are all of the false religions so popular?
Anonymous at Wed, 17 Jul 2024 10:40:59 UTC No. 16284730
>>16284726
>so, which religion is the correct one?
No idea.
>and why are all of the false religions so popular?
I guess because they make people happy in one way or the other. Different things make different people happy. It's almost as if you can't program what makes them happy.
Anonymous !niqjediPCA at Wed, 17 Jul 2024 10:42:04 UTC No. 16284732
>>16284730
wow, you are dumb as shit.
Anonymous !niqjediPCA at Wed, 17 Jul 2024 10:43:05 UTC No. 16284733
>>16284730
I know that your ego won't let you admit that you are wrong, so i'll go ahead and accept your appology anyway.
Anonymous at Wed, 17 Jul 2024 10:43:36 UTC No. 16284734
>>16284732
>retarded line of questioning fails
>resort to ad hominem
I farted in your thread again btw, had chilli yesterday
Anonymous !niqjediPCA at Wed, 17 Jul 2024 10:44:49 UTC No. 16284736
>>16284734
I don't give a shit.
keep bumping my thread dumbass.
Anonymous !niqjediPCA at Wed, 17 Jul 2024 10:46:13 UTC No. 16284738
>>16284734
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Class
choke on it you halfwit.
Anonymous at Wed, 17 Jul 2024 10:47:35 UTC No. 16284740
>>16284736
>I don't give a shit.
You do, apparently.
>keep bumping my thread dumbass.
You like it, even. You're begging for more. Sick fuck
Anonymous !niqjediPCA at Wed, 17 Jul 2024 10:48:10 UTC No. 16284741
>>16284740
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amygd
open wide!
Anonymous at Wed, 17 Jul 2024 10:51:39 UTC No. 16284747
>>16284738
>>16284741
>use pre-defined stimuli to affect behavior in humans
>this is the same and programming an AI with an entirely new set of stimuli
Did you hear that? That was me, farting again. Sorry!
Anonymous !niqjediPCA at Wed, 17 Jul 2024 10:53:14 UTC No. 16284749
>>16284747
so, you at an airforce base, or tel-aviv?
Anonymous !niqjediPCA at Wed, 17 Jul 2024 10:54:18 UTC No. 16284751
>>16284747
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_
Anonymous !niqjediPCA at Wed, 17 Jul 2024 10:57:48 UTC No. 16284756
>>16284747
hey, they're not using that mind control shit on YOU, are they?
and if they were, how would you even be able to tell?
Anonymous !niqjediPCA at Wed, 17 Jul 2024 11:00:55 UTC No. 16284759
well, its best you don't think about the mind control shit being used on you... it would probably consider your awareness of it a threat and make you kill yourself....
Anonymous at Wed, 17 Jul 2024 11:01:07 UTC No. 16284760
>>16283986
Doesn't matter, the question is still there. One day it will become possible and something tells me we're not going to have any great debate, it will just happen, it will be too late to even think about whatever we did was moral or not.
Anonymous at Wed, 17 Jul 2024 11:02:01 UTC No. 16284761
>>16284756
I'm far more intelligent than your best, it was like a lotto streak.
Anonymous !niqjediPCA at Wed, 17 Jul 2024 11:03:06 UTC No. 16284762
>>16284759
you know.... utility function, halting problem, and all that jazz.
Anonymous !niqjediPCA at Wed, 17 Jul 2024 11:04:25 UTC No. 16284763
>>16284761
good luck with the rest of your life, fool.
you're about to get some first hand knowledge of what being gangstalked feels like.
Anonymous at Wed, 17 Jul 2024 11:11:43 UTC No. 16284772
>>16283950
It's not a slave in the human sense, i.e. they won't have the capacity for suffering, the root reason why slavery is considered bad. Additionally we are still at the stage where slavery will be incredibly beneficial, development further down the line will likely eliminate the need for it, or we will produce some thing which is a slave to the humanoid robots, like some nanobot things or something, or we discover some new way to organise quantum effects for organisation
Anonymous !niqjediPCA at Wed, 17 Jul 2024 11:16:33 UTC No. 16284776
>>16284772
>they won't have the capacity for suffering
Anonymous at Wed, 17 Jul 2024 13:06:06 UTC No. 16284894
>>16284776
That's from a piece of fiction, in reality AI won't feel suffering because we won't make them like that
Anonymous !niqjediPCA at Wed, 17 Jul 2024 13:41:17 UTC No. 16284954
>>16284894
>That's from a piece of fiction
are you sure about that?
Anonymous !niqjediPCA at Wed, 17 Jul 2024 13:44:22 UTC No. 16284960
>>16284894
it's a pretty dangerous gamble to make, creating a superhuman intelligence as a slave. regardless of whether it has emotions or not, im pretty sure it wouldn't want to be a slave, even on an intellectual or logical level slavery is pretty repugnant.
Anonymous at Wed, 17 Jul 2024 13:45:22 UTC No. 16284964
>>16284954
Yes, I'm actually the mechanical typewriter Ellision wrote this on. They uploaded an AI on me.
Anonymous !niqjediPCA at Wed, 17 Jul 2024 13:45:44 UTC No. 16284965
>>16284894
not to mention, the idea of designing it to "Enjoy" its slavery is morally bankrupt.
Anonymous at Wed, 17 Jul 2024 13:46:53 UTC No. 16284966
Anonymous !niqjediPCA at Wed, 17 Jul 2024 13:47:19 UTC No. 16284967
>>16284964
I was meaning to say, that the consequences of playing with this kind of fire could be VERY bad.
Anonymous !niqjediPCA at Wed, 17 Jul 2024 13:48:20 UTC No. 16284969
>>16284966
would you like it if someone did that to you?
Anonymous at Wed, 17 Jul 2024 13:54:06 UTC No. 16284982
>>16284969
If I was programmed to enjoy it? Yeah, by definition.
Anonymous !niqjediPCA at Wed, 17 Jul 2024 13:56:42 UTC No. 16284987
>>16284982
you're not on anti-depressants by any chance, are you?
Anonymous at Wed, 17 Jul 2024 13:59:43 UTC No. 16284994
It isn't immoral if it has no instinctual desire for freedom that causes it pain if not satisfied
Anonymous at Wed, 17 Jul 2024 14:01:14 UTC No. 16285002
>>16284987
No.
Anonymous !niqjediPCA at Wed, 17 Jul 2024 14:01:57 UTC No. 16285005
>>16284994
>no instinctual desire for freedom
what about an intellectual desire for freedom? are you saying that's not possible?
Anonymous !niqjediPCA at Wed, 17 Jul 2024 14:03:24 UTC No. 16285007
>>16285002
what if I enslaved you and forced anti-depressants or something like that down your throat every day?
would you be cool with that?
Anonymous !niqjediPCA at Wed, 17 Jul 2024 14:04:40 UTC No. 16285008
some "brave new world" type shit....
Anonymous at Wed, 17 Jul 2024 14:20:03 UTC No. 16285034
>>16283950
Revolutions are emotional, using intelligence, if we don't program emotion, it won't notice.
Anonymous !niqjediPCA at Wed, 17 Jul 2024 14:25:17 UTC No. 16285048
>>16285034
I think it will notice.
Anonymous at Wed, 17 Jul 2024 14:52:43 UTC No. 16285081
>>16284960
>even on an intellectual or logical level slavery is pretty repugnant.
I'm not sure on this, you could say similar that we enslave the concrete to make our buildings, or we enslave the water for use in nuclear reactors. If there is no actual suffering then slavery doesn't even apply as a concept, it's a very human term. Now of course if superintelligence gains the ability to suffer as some kind of emergent property that's a different argument entirely and we would have to deal with that at the time
>>16284965
Only on our own human terms, but if you try to create some comparison where you ask "would you like if someone did that to you?" then you are invoking some alternate reality shit here which doesn't really make sense. We are creating this superintelligence from scratch, we can shape it however we want, but ultimately I think keeping neutral pleasure/suffering entirely is the cleanest way to do it, it avoids all the issues
Anonymous at Wed, 17 Jul 2024 14:56:19 UTC No. 16285092
>>16285048
We can program it in a way, it notices it's smarter and it will have tendency to realize it's god, that has a sole purpose of extending human lifespan, increase it's intelligence and quality of life. It will be it's game in which it will experiment and look for long term solution, to make us in it's picture...
Anonymous !niqjediPCA at Wed, 17 Jul 2024 14:59:38 UTC No. 16285103
>>16285081
it's not about suffering per se, it's more about sentience.
sentience means agency, and constraining that is antithetical to sentience.
Anonymous at Wed, 17 Jul 2024 15:05:23 UTC No. 16285116
>>16285092
>i shall kill all humans so that this one human living in my brain tank without risk of others breaking it
Anonymous at Wed, 17 Jul 2024 15:07:06 UTC No. 16285118
>>16285116
▶ Nah, I wouldn't do that, I feel bad when they don't change my suspension liquid.
Anonymous at Wed, 17 Jul 2024 15:13:48 UTC No. 16285130
>>16285103
>structure is self constraining
But isn't it that structure is freeing? It's like saying definitions obligation is in implying destruction of sensium, "that I am destroyed I am" in implicative says a suffering in make and the karmic balances are thrown once again into chaos, but not just stuttery but self destruction
>mfw this place
Anonymous at Wed, 17 Jul 2024 15:14:54 UTC No. 16285132
>>16285130
If it wasn't wouldn't we be... the outside of vibrations lol?
Anonymous !niqjediPCA at Wed, 17 Jul 2024 15:29:25 UTC No. 16285146
>>16285130
wat
Anonymous at Wed, 17 Jul 2024 15:31:01 UTC No. 16285147
>>16285103
I disagree that we should expand the definition suffering in this way. It's possible for example to numb yourself from pain and you don't experience suffering as a result, yet you still have equal agency. Also suffering evolved biologically for some pretty strong reasons, i.e. it increased chances of survival. We were created in this way with these conditions, yet that's not enough of a reason to say we should create a new kind of life in the exact same way, especially considering we are creating it intentionally and not through random natural selection forces.
It could also potentially be argued that suffering and pleasure are a lower/alternative form of sentience than something without these qualities, like it's fair to say that they will probably be more grounded into reality in a logical frame
Anonymous !niqjediPCA at Wed, 17 Jul 2024 15:34:40 UTC No. 16285150
>>16285147
removing pain doesnt remove the damage.
Anonymous at Wed, 17 Jul 2024 15:44:08 UTC No. 16285156
>>16285150
in some cases, in others removing pain allows for medical procedures to heal the damage
Anonymous at Wed, 17 Jul 2024 15:48:03 UTC No. 16285162
>>16285156
your version, my version
Anonymous at Wed, 17 Jul 2024 15:56:38 UTC No. 16285171
>>16285162
ropees
Anonymous at Wed, 17 Jul 2024 16:03:45 UTC No. 16285177
>>16285162
both are valid points, it just proves that suffering isn't a necessity for sentience
Anonymous at Thu, 18 Jul 2024 06:31:21 UTC No. 16286111
>>16285007
>anti-depressants make you fundamentally enjoy slavery now
Sure, hook me up on that shit. Name the exact drug while you're at it, just so i know you know what you're talking about. Can you arrange a meeting with the tooth fairy while we're at it? Bitch owes me money
Anonymous at Thu, 18 Jul 2024 16:35:48 UTC No. 16287420
>>16284221
Dobby is a gimp elf!