Anonymous at Tue, 16 Jul 2024 20:55:52 UTC No. 16284071

>>16284069
because you're a faggot

Anonymous at Tue, 16 Jul 2024 20:59:35 UTC No. 16284078

>>16284069
Trillion trillions of sperm per person x billions of people is more than ants

Anonymous at Tue, 16 Jul 2024 21:09:18 UTC No. 16284086

>>16284078
I'm not a sperm, retard

Anonymous at Tue, 16 Jul 2024 21:19:08 UTC No. 16284098

Fags

Anonymous at Tue, 16 Jul 2024 21:23:36 UTC No. 16284106

More questionably, why aren't you a pant? As in pants... LOL the universe is strang

Anonymous at Tue, 16 Jul 2024 21:27:02 UTC No. 16284110

>>16284069
People win the lottery all the time. You're just one of the winners. Be a winner, champ.

Anonymous at Tue, 16 Jul 2024 21:31:27 UTC No. 16284121

>>16284069
The stereotype of Chinese citizens qua ants has much more to do with the settler-colonialist PRC government than it has to do with the minds and souls of its subjects.

Anonymous at Tue, 16 Jul 2024 22:14:12 UTC No. 16284185

>>16284069
In the grand scheme of things, you are probably the equivalent of an ant.

Anonymous at Wed, 17 Jul 2024 01:42:09 UTC No. 16284383

>>16284069
you were an ant.

Anonymous at Wed, 17 Jul 2024 02:43:24 UTC No. 16284443

>>16284069
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vertiginous_question

Anonymous at Wed, 17 Jul 2024 02:55:50 UTC No. 16284456

>>16284069
you sure do seem to like talking about yourself on social media

Anonymous at Wed, 17 Jul 2024 06:43:15 UTC No. 16284589

hey op, look up 'vertiginous question'

Anonymous at Wed, 17 Jul 2024 06:46:26 UTC No. 16284592

>>16284086
But you in part WERE though, that's the thing.

Anonymous at Wed, 17 Jul 2024 06:49:57 UTC No. 16284593

>>16284069
If you were an ant, you wouldn't find yourself an ant, as you won't be conscious

Anonymous at Wed, 17 Jul 2024 06:53:15 UTC No. 16284598

This isn't really /sci/ related but yeah, you are extremely lucky to be born as a human

SN 56.48.1-2
>“Mendicants, suppose the earth was entirely covered with water.
>And a person threw a yoke with a single hole into it.
>The east wind wafts it west; the west wind wafts it east; the north wind wafts it south; and the south wind wafts it north.
>And there was a one-eyed turtle who popped up once every hundred years.
>Would that one-eyed turtle, popping up once every hundred years, still poke its neck through the hole in that yoke?”
>...
>"That’s how unlikely it is to get reborn as a human being."

Anonymous at Wed, 17 Jul 2024 07:15:23 UTC No. 16284608

>>16284069
>Nobody finds themselves as an ant because ants don't have any conscious experience.
I dreamed of it already. My awareness decoupled from my body and became formless, and then zoomed over the the wilderness and zoomed into an ant. I perceived myself as an ant, but I felt like I was still 'full sized'. Then I prayed a lot because wtf else could I do? Then God sent the holy spirit to me and moved my awareness back into its position as a human, and he told me that I wouldn't reincarnate into forms that are less evolved than what I already achieved.
As for why I could be the ant, its because my consciousness has evolved to the point where it can release its hold onto human form, and then grasp onto other life forms. Its not exactly at will, but I set up the conditions of its existence by channeling my sexual feelings of life into empty space and following them outside my body into the the electromagnetic field surrounding me.
That is all metaphysical.

What I really believe is going on, is that awareness is a type of energy, similar to light, that life itself is cultivating through its own existence. Think about the structure of the tree of life, each form of existence is improving upon itself, but there are different branches. When the awareness reaches a point of development within one branch it begins again in another branch, gaining additional traits. I think these traits are something like a genetic imprint into the field of space that is 'awareness', and when the awareness crystallizes the realization of these traits it no longer requires the dna of a body to exhibit them, and so it can move to a new body and gain new traits.

There is no different electronic force between each life form, no different em field, no different nuclear force. Its all the same force in every life form, acting throughout all of space. My life is not just this body, its also all the interactions of my being broadcasting each ripple of thought and movement across the universe.

Anonymous at Wed, 17 Jul 2024 07:21:39 UTC No. 16284611

>>16284078
So I had a higher chance of being human than any other being? Animal and insect sperm counts are that low and gay?

Anonymous at Wed, 17 Jul 2024 07:36:40 UTC No. 16284617

>>16284069
>why I happen to find myself to be a particularly intelligent, imaginative human, rather than a stupid and unimaginative human
I tend to disagree since your greatest ambition in life is to be a hive bug.

Anonymous at Wed, 17 Jul 2024 07:37:58 UTC No. 16284618

>>16284069
>Nobody finds themselves as an ant
Then why are there so many damn ants and what do they find themselves as?

Anonymous at Wed, 17 Jul 2024 13:16:05 UTC No. 16284908

>>16284618
They don't find themselves at all, they're just bots

Anonymous at Wed, 17 Jul 2024 13:27:24 UTC No. 16284925

>>16284069
anthropic principle. if you were an ant, then you wouldn't be here to think about it and ask that question. maybe ants have consciousness and they're all wondering the same thing, but they can't post on 4chan so we'll never know.

Anonymous at Wed, 17 Jul 2024 13:42:37 UTC No. 16284957

>>16284908
Do atheists really think no other animals are conscious? There is no fundamental difference in the laws of physics that govern the mind of an ant vs the mind of a human.

Anonymous at Wed, 17 Jul 2024 13:57:05 UTC No. 16284990

>>16284069
You're making some assumptions on consciousness here, I'll let you figure out which ones.

Anonymous at Wed, 17 Jul 2024 14:29:54 UTC No. 16285054

>>16284069
Because "you" only exist through the specific configuration of matter which necessitates your existence, this is your only life, after this the specific events and combinations will statistically never happen again and you will be cast into an eternal darkness, never to see the light of existence again.

Anonymous at Wed, 17 Jul 2024 15:25:49 UTC No. 16285143

>>16284957
First of all, I'm not an atheist, I don't know where you're getting that from.

Second of all, the idea that they're bots follows from the argument in the OP. There are two possibilities:
-Ants are conscious, and I won the lottery 1 in a billion to find myself inside a human and not an ant
-Ants aren't conscious, and no luck was involved in not having been an ant
The second possibility is a billion times more likely than the first one, just based on conditional probability.

This is the correct application of anthropic reasoning
>>16284925

Anonymous at Wed, 17 Jul 2024 16:02:28 UTC No. 16285175

>>16284443
OP here, this is the best answer which directly addresses the question as I was imagining it.

The solution I personally imagine to the problem is that there is a constellation of phenomenal lights, but they aren't all the same size. And furthermore, the constellation exists in 4D spacetime, not 3D space, because the lights don't persist in time the same way their creatures do. Consciousness is momentary, not continuous. Right this moment, I find myself being a consciousness-instant which is inside a human at this time and place. But I'm not finding myself as being the same consciousness-instant which was inside this brain yesterday, nor do I have any relation to that one.

The fact that brains of different creatures produce consciousness-instants at differing frequencies and of different densities is what satisfies the statistical likelihood that I find myself inside a certain creature's brain as opposed to another one. For example, an ant's neuron bundle might generate one consciousness-instants per second, whereas an intelligent human brain generates a million consciousness-instants per second. So even though the consciousness-instants of some creatures aren't privileged over those of any others when it comes time for me to randomly find myself being one, there are more of them for me to be inside certain creatures than there are inside others.

Anonymous at Wed, 17 Jul 2024 17:09:37 UTC No. 16285234

>>16284185
Closer to a bacterium

Anonymous at Wed, 17 Jul 2024 17:17:35 UTC No. 16285238

>>16284608
You are close , evolution of awareness didn't stop at humanity there are other more exotic form of lifeforms more aware than us I believe

Anonymous at Wed, 17 Jul 2024 17:21:33 UTC No. 16285246

>>16284592
Weren't you also a simgle egg though l?

Anonymous at Wed, 17 Jul 2024 17:27:39 UTC No. 16285253

>>16284592
Are you saying that the sperm I was experienced quantum immortality and that's why I ended up fertilizing an egg and kept growing into a full woman

Anonymous at Wed, 17 Jul 2024 17:49:43 UTC No. 16285286

>>16284086
This is true

Anonymous at Wed, 17 Jul 2024 18:27:51 UTC No. 16285376

>>16284608
Based post. Have you heard of/read any NDE accounts?

Anonymous at Wed, 17 Jul 2024 18:29:39 UTC No. 16285383

I think a relevant mistake many people make is assuming they're conscious all the time. You find yourself experiencing a subjective experience every time you check, so you assume that someone has been in there experiencing every other moment even in the times when you weren't paying attention. But this is not the case. You're actually usually only conscious a few times per day or a few times per week in the case of a thoughtful person under normal circumstances. Those are all the instances where you took the time to experience subjectivity and your brain was briefly inhabited by what they call a soul. In all the other times, your body was a zombie just going about its business and collecting memories that nobody was looking at.

Anonymous at Wed, 17 Jul 2024 18:33:19 UTC No. 16285392

>>16284443
It's nice to see that Existentialism was rediscovered in Anglo-American academic philosophy

Anonymous at Wed, 17 Jul 2024 18:35:16 UTC No. 16285397

>>16285383
>reads Metzinger once

Anonymous at Wed, 17 Jul 2024 18:39:31 UTC No. 16285399

>>16285397
I've only read Chalmers and Bostrom, that idea was original

Anonymous at Wed, 17 Jul 2024 18:53:08 UTC No. 16285420

>>16285399
That's good. You really gotta read Being No One. He goes into great detail about all of times we zombie throughout the day.

Anonymous at Wed, 17 Jul 2024 19:30:11 UTC No. 16285476

>>16285420
On it, thanks

Anonymous at Wed, 17 Jul 2024 19:58:24 UTC No. 16285508

>>16285253
You will never be a woman.

Anonymous at Wed, 17 Jul 2024 20:33:49 UTC No. 16285535

Done faggots.

Anonymous at Wed, 17 Jul 2024 20:37:36 UTC No. 16285539

>>16284069
Statistically me and my dog have 3 legs, anon.

Anonymous at Thu, 18 Jul 2024 03:21:43 UTC No. 16285981

>>16284069
ants aren't made in the image of God, humans are
so it's expected that humans have all the "anthropic measure"

Anonymous at Thu, 18 Jul 2024 05:46:45 UTC No. 16286068

>>16284069
I think because your mom wasn't an ant

Anonymous at Thu, 18 Jul 2024 06:41:41 UTC No. 16286124

>>16284069
>I should find myself being an ant rather than being a human
You were never in position to be an ant. You were always going to be yourself.

Why are stupid people so bad at comprehending probability?

Anonymous at Thu, 18 Jul 2024 12:39:02 UTC No. 16287103

>>16284069
that's not what probability means

Anonymous at Thu, 18 Jul 2024 12:42:00 UTC No. 16287104

>>16284069
>Why aren't I an ant?
Untestable philosophy is off-topic in /sci/
Newton's flaming laser word.

Anonymous at Thu, 18 Jul 2024 17:42:08 UTC No. 16287483

>>16286124
Ironically, you have the lowest IQ in the thread

Anonymous at Thu, 18 Jul 2024 17:47:00 UTC No. 16287491

>>16287104
Thermodynamica, their molecules and collected particles can't simple form and reshape all together by themselves

On the topic, human society behaviours are easily comparable and usually make people dizzy by aplying human thoughts and goals to ants

Anonymous at Thu, 18 Jul 2024 18:13:38 UTC No. 16287522

>>16287104
Anthropic reasoning is statistics, which is math

Anonymous at Thu, 18 Jul 2024 19:01:22 UTC No. 16287575

>>16284957
Ants are too distant, but any other mammal or bird or reptile are basically cousins with more in commonality than differences with humans

Anonymous at Thu, 18 Jul 2024 19:40:53 UTC No. 16287635

>>16284957
Ants don't have a mind or a brain, they just have a bundle of nerves that executes a very simple program. There are no laws of physics which differentiate an ant from a literal microcontroller.

Anonymous at Fri, 19 Jul 2024 11:42:38 UTC No. 16288285

>>16287635
Then why do they have unique personalities, if they are all bots, why do they sometimes behave differently and why do most ants just spend their days laying around the hive?

Anonymous at Fri, 19 Jul 2024 17:19:07 UTC No. 16288579

>>16287635
>a very simple program.
brains are not computers and dont have programs, drop these silly comparisons

Anonymous at Fri, 19 Jul 2024 18:21:03 UTC No. 16288655

>>16284069
Y'all are taking the fantastical view that there's a world in which there are a few opportunities to be self-conscious and you are coming from who knows where into the world such that there's a chance to be this or that here or there in such or so time.

Consider that there's no outside from which you come into the world. You are not granted such an outside perspective.

Anonymous at Fri, 19 Jul 2024 18:34:29 UTC No. 16288668

>>16287635
Have you never sat outside and interacted with ants? They are very aware of their environment, and are very curious creatures.

Anonymous at Sat, 20 Jul 2024 04:39:14 UTC No. 16289244

>>16284069
>Why aren't I an ant?
Consider this. The only difference between my consciousness and yours is that mine has contextual information about my life and you your own. I other words, there is very little about you that makes you "you." In fact, you might say that neither of us belong in a category apart from grains of sand, each of which have contextual, causative information about their own pasts. We're all just... cells of information in a giant tree of causation that we call "the universe."

Anonymous at Sat, 20 Jul 2024 22:46:28 UTC No. 16290200

we are all the ant but we do not primarily perceive as the ant because human is more interdasting. that's speculation; i hope you understand.