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Anonymous at Tue, 23 Jul 2024 03:10:15 UTC No. 16293029
Every academic job application makes me write an essay about how much I love DEI and makes me want to kms
Anonymous at Tue, 23 Jul 2024 03:49:35 UTC No. 16293057
>>16293029
that's because you are a little bitch
Anonymous at Tue, 23 Jul 2024 03:56:10 UTC No. 16293061
just submit a 100gb pdf of "nigger" repeating
Anonymous at Tue, 23 Jul 2024 04:19:32 UTC No. 16293069
>>16293029
Whats your field? Noone signed up to be an acolyte in a priesthood and if your a historian you can easily see how your being set up. Im trying to find individuals with a nerve to do something about it. Begrudgingly writing these papers destroys scientific institution in long run
Anonymous at Tue, 23 Jul 2024 04:41:53 UTC No. 16293080
>>16293029
literally just use AI
Anonymous at Tue, 23 Jul 2024 04:42:11 UTC No. 16293081
>>16293029
>Dear HR person, I liek diverse people cuz I wanna learn new foods to appropriate. sincerely, anon.
Anonymous at Tue, 23 Jul 2024 05:12:56 UTC No. 16293092
>>16293081
god damn
Anonymous at Tue, 23 Jul 2024 05:26:26 UTC No. 16293093
>In closing, I believe that whether you're black, gay, a woman, or normal, you deserve an equal chance to make your way in society.
Anonymous at Tue, 23 Jul 2024 05:32:31 UTC No. 16293095
>>16293029
>apply for grant so i can afford to finish my research and go to a conference this year
>have to include an entire section on how my research into nonthermal plasmas promotes racial diversity and raises awareness about the plight of women in the middle east or whatever
it's all so tiresome... i just want to stare at my glowy gas and geek out over probe sweeps.
Cult of Passion at Tue, 23 Jul 2024 05:35:18 UTC No. 16293096
>>16293057
>Homotechne
Homocorpus.
As in "Two became one flesh."
>A ghost and a shell.
A Spirit and a Vessel.
Anonymous at Tue, 23 Jul 2024 13:29:55 UTC No. 16293400
>>16293029
For low IQ tasks you usually use chatgpt
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 05:25:33 UTC No. 16294364
>>16293095
Same problem in algebraic geometry.
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 05:38:44 UTC No. 16294374
>>16293029
One of the few genuine use cases of AI right now is that chatbots are god-tier at shitting out useless HR boilerplate for you
🗑️ Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 16:11:38 UTC No. 16294857
>>16293093
This is unironically not allowed anymore since equality is bigotry and now we need 'equity'
🗑️ Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 16:12:56 UTC No. 16294859
This is exactly why the world has gone to shit. Look at how many FAGGOT ASS PUSSIES are in this thread right now, just telling you to ignore it and use a fuckin AI to copy and paste something. Every single one of you little cock sucking wastes of life need to get punched in the fucking eye
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 16:38:28 UTC No. 16294883
>>16293096
i said do a flip faggot
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 18:46:53 UTC No. 16295018
>>16294859
Stand up to that BA in social work with some edgy essay that you spent hours on. Enjoy not being employable.
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 19:54:34 UTC No. 16295125
>>16293069
>Begrudgingly writing these papers destroys scientific institution in long run
The people writing these applications have no power in academia and can't be expected to be the ones to speak out. Keep your head down and let the tenured professors fight about it.
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 20:22:40 UTC No. 16295182
>>16295125
If they had no power
They wouldnt be required to write these
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 20:41:01 UTC No. 16295215
>>16295125
They do have power. Being born into power and getting a BA in something useless gives you far more power than getting a STEM PhD from the best university in a place does.
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 20:41:02 UTC No. 16295216
>>16295182
They are required to write them to filter out people like you. The demand for academic jobs far exceeds the supply, and for every person like you who will not write a diversity statement there are many more who will. A fair portion of applicants will even agree with the politics of it. That's why academic job applicants have no power to change it.
If you want to make a difference it is better to lie, get into academia, and change it once you have the power to do so.
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 21:30:40 UTC No. 16295280
>>16294859
Fair point.
Anonymous at Thu, 25 Jul 2024 16:27:14 UTC No. 16296146
>>16293029
Get away from that cult, is not the way to acquire knowledge. Instead wasting your time on nonsense learn something you can monetize.
Anonymous at Thu, 25 Jul 2024 16:35:59 UTC No. 16296156
>>16296146
Academia is cushy though
Anonymous at Thu, 25 Jul 2024 16:47:30 UTC No. 16296174
>>16293029
Don't pretend like you actually enjoyed all the extracurricular activities you were forced to pad your college applications with. The only reason you're more mad about a forced DEI statement than forced socialization is that the political media you consume tells you you should be.
Anonymous at Thu, 25 Jul 2024 17:16:12 UTC No. 16296197
>>16296174
Idiotic statement.
Anonymous at Thu, 25 Jul 2024 17:19:39 UTC No. 16296200
>>16296197
There's no better outcome than a post that unabashedly describes itself.
Anonymous at Thu, 25 Jul 2024 17:23:15 UTC No. 16296203
>>16296200
>unironcially posting a "no u"
Kek.
Anonymous at Thu, 25 Jul 2024 17:24:34 UTC No. 16296206
>>16296203
>unironically posting a "Kek"
Anonymous at Thu, 25 Jul 2024 17:30:18 UTC No. 16296211
>>16296206
Yes.
Anonymous at Thu, 25 Jul 2024 17:31:23 UTC No. 16296213
>>16296211
Your deference is noted.
Anonymous at Thu, 25 Jul 2024 17:40:14 UTC No. 16296222
>>16293029
Stuff like this is why I'll always respect Jordan Peterson.
Anonymous at Thu, 25 Jul 2024 17:45:12 UTC No. 16296228
>>16296222
How is it different than joining the Tuba Players for Meals on Wheels Club?
Anonymous at Thu, 25 Jul 2024 18:41:43 UTC No. 16296304
>>16296228
what?
Anonymous at Thu, 25 Jul 2024 18:45:34 UTC No. 16296307
>>16295216
>>16295216
No as said before
>Begrudgingly writing these papers destroys scientific institution in long run
>They are required to write them to filter out people like you
Exactly my point, your being set up, your not winning the hearts of the independents. You can try to change it from the inside if you wish (you wont) and when the pitch forks come youll be lumped in with the acolytes the same.
Again, lookong for anons who want to do something more than complain. Academia was supposed to be togas in debates not a yesman mill
Anonymous at Thu, 25 Jul 2024 18:53:16 UTC No. 16296313
>>16296304
How is writing a forced DEI statement to get an academic job different than being forced to participate in a social club you don't like to get an acceptance letter?
Anonymous at Thu, 25 Jul 2024 18:58:30 UTC No. 16296322
>>16296304
>>16296313
In both cases you've involuntarily volunteered to be part of a group you don't like for careerism. So careerism is built in. Then why do you think DEI is a singular evil that transcends the careerism you've already subscribed to?
Anonymous at Thu, 25 Jul 2024 20:09:04 UTC No. 16296413
>>16296313
It's the difference between going to a family reunion and being forced to say 2+2=5.
Anonymous at Thu, 25 Jul 2024 20:12:22 UTC No. 16296421
Also, you're not required to join clubs to become a professor. But you absolutely are required to worship at the altar of DEI.
Anonymous at Thu, 25 Jul 2024 20:29:50 UTC No. 16296449
>>16296413
>going to a family reunion
There's a difference but it's not that. How is being forced to lie about 2+2=5 in order to get a job in academia worse than being forced to partipicate in any other group for social status in order to get accepted as a student?
Anonymous at Thu, 25 Jul 2024 20:33:12 UTC No. 16296454
Anonymous at Thu, 25 Jul 2024 20:36:51 UTC No. 16296458
>>16296454
That's not an answer.
Anonymous at Thu, 25 Jul 2024 21:03:37 UTC No. 16296485
>>16296307
There's no pitchforks coming. Your graph shows no decline in independent support in the last 20 years despite the rise of diversity statements. There's barely any dip in Republican support.
The problem is being worked out, and the DEI program is clearly declining from a peak around 2020, so there is no need for applicants with no power anyway to throw away their job prospects over it.
Anonymous at Thu, 25 Jul 2024 22:34:27 UTC No. 16296582
>>16296421
Because one is a temporary inconvenience and the other is a form of thought police. You're also ignoring the fact that you don't need to join clubs to be an academic.
Anonymous at Thu, 25 Jul 2024 22:46:51 UTC No. 16296599
>>16296582
>>16296421
Why is one a form of thought police but not the other?
Why is one a temporary inconvenience but not the other?
You do and will always need to join clubs to participate in academia. I'm simply pointing out that one of the most basic requirements to apply for an undergraduate degree is already more slavish and onerous that writing a DEI statement. I'm hardly a fan of DEI racism but no one can challenge the truth that writing a fellatory statement about it is much less annoying than the prerequisite to join a bunch of extracurricular social clubs.
Anonymous at Fri, 26 Jul 2024 01:13:32 UTC No. 16296756
>>16296599
You don't have to join a club to get into college or get an academic job, so I don't know why you keep saying this. Also, you're ignoring the fact that people can join clubs that they like. If you don't like the Tuba Players for Meals on Wheels Club you can join anime club, or chess club, or do music. You're not forced to pretend to have an opinion you don't have by joining these clubs. They're not even close to being the same thing.
Anonymous at Fri, 26 Jul 2024 01:26:28 UTC No. 16296768
>>16293029
apply at a different university or in a different state. or just get a regular job...
Anonymous at Fri, 26 Jul 2024 01:27:03 UTC No. 16296769
>>16296756
You can't get into any real college without joining at least 2 or 3 clubs. The fact that you don't know this is already enough to tell me that your opinion about anything related to this topic is worthless. Moreover, you have no idea how to express your blind intuition that a DEI statement is somehow worse than any other form of forced socialization. You're a clown with no ideas. Go to bed.
Anonymous at Fri, 26 Jul 2024 01:31:27 UTC No. 16296776
>>16296769
>You can't get into any real college without joining at least 2 or 3 clubs.
Not true.
>The fact that you don't know this is already enough to tell me that your opinion about anything related to this topic is worthless.
Actually, it looks like you're the one who blindly believes everything he's told.
>Moreover, you have no idea how to express your blind intuition that a DEI statement is somehow worse than any other form of forced socialization
It's actually very clear to everyone. It's demoralizing in a way your other examples aren't. You keep insisting they're the same, but no one believes you.
>You're a clown with no ideas. Go to bed.
Lmao.
Anonymous at Fri, 26 Jul 2024 01:44:05 UTC No. 16296796
>>16296776
>Not true.
Then you'll have no problem naming any worthwhile university that doesn't ask for a list of extracurricular social clubs as part of the admission process.
>You keep insisting they're the same, but no one believes you.
I keep asking you to describe how they're different, but all you can do is flailingly appeal to a consensus that only exists in your own disheveled mind.
Anonymous at Fri, 26 Jul 2024 02:10:56 UTC No. 16296811
>>16296796
>ask for a list of extracurricular social clubs
This is not the same as a requirement. You can get into any UC without having joined a club. Plus, as I mentioned, you can join clubs for things you like.
>>16296796
>I keep asking you to describe how they're different,
It is obvious how they are different. Above, I compared writing a DEI statement to being forced to say "2+2=5." The point is both force you to compromise your beliefs and say things that are the opposite of reality. Also, I mentioned that extracurricular activities are temporary, while, if you get an academic job (what the OP is about), you have to constantly pretend that DEI is a good thing. But the bigger point is an extracurricular is something you DO that MIGHT be a bit inconvenient, while OP's situation has to do with compromising BELIEFS.
Why are you pretending people don't choose which extracurriculars they partake in?
Anonymous at Fri, 26 Jul 2024 02:36:29 UTC No. 16296833
>>16296811
>OP's situation has to do with compromising BELIEFS
Being forced to join any social club compromises your beliefs. I'm asking you to present an argument for why being forced to write a DEI statement is eschatologically worse than being forced to join any other club you don't like. My counterargument is that writing a single essay is less tedious than participating long enough to establish yourself as a member.
>get into any UC
I don't know what a UC is and don't care. Name one good school that doesn't ask for a list of extracurricular activities.
>Why are you pretending people don't choose which extracurriculars they partake in?
Why are you pretending people wouldn't rather not participate in none of the above? I'm asking why being forced to partake in an extracurricular activity is somehow less "compromising" or conformist than being forced to write a paragraph or two about some other conformist garbage,
Anonymous at Fri, 26 Jul 2024 02:45:16 UTC No. 16296841
>>16296833
>Being forced to join any social club compromises your beliefs
You're not forced to do this. Stop lying.
>I don't know what a UC is and don't care. Name one good school that doesn't ask for a list of extracurricular activities.
You're too dumb to use google then.
>I'm asking why being forced to partake in an extracurricular activity is somehow less "compromising" or conformist than being forced to write a paragraph or two about some other conformist garbage,
I have already explained it, you're just refusing to understand.
Anonymous at Fri, 26 Jul 2024 02:49:45 UTC No. 16296844
>>16296841
You can't even name a single viable university that doesn't ask for a list of extracurricular activities in their admission paperwork. You are a clown.
Anonymous at Fri, 26 Jul 2024 02:59:57 UTC No. 16296851
>>16296844
>ask for
Again, this is not the same as a REQUIREMENT. And I already mentioned several.
>You are a clown.
*honk*
Anonymous at Fri, 26 Jul 2024 03:01:55 UTC No. 16296854
And you never addressed my point that you can choose your extracurriculars. Just join anime club if other extracurriculars make you uneasy.
>but my school doesn't have an anime club
Even better, you start an anime club.
Anonymous at Fri, 26 Jul 2024 05:34:52 UTC No. 16296963
>>16296485
Zooming out, trust across the board has halfed since closing of the gold window. and lets be honest, theswe are normie numbers, no one from 4ch gets polled.
Pitch forks in modern era will be increased disrespect, ideological radicalism, rogue experimenters, and the odd school bombing
Anonymous at Fri, 26 Jul 2024 05:49:38 UTC No. 16296974
>>16296963
Zooming in last couple years
The age of nerd shaming and the independent gentleman scientist will return
Anonymous at Fri, 26 Jul 2024 05:50:39 UTC No. 16296975
>>16296974
I cant even find 2023 2024 lmao
Anonymous at Fri, 26 Jul 2024 15:46:27 UTC No. 16297453
>>16296458
Just get in and trust the soience.
Anonymous at Fri, 26 Jul 2024 15:49:19 UTC No. 16297462
>>16293029
Make chat GPT do it
Anonymous at Fri, 26 Jul 2024 17:29:52 UTC No. 16297589
>>16296449
One involves proclaiming allegience to a dogma and one doesn't.
Also, doing a bunch of dumb clubs HELPS you get into a college but it isn't required. On the other hand almost every position specifically requires you to write a diversity statement as part of your application. Go check out mathjobs if you don't believe me.
Anonymous at Fri, 26 Jul 2024 19:06:08 UTC No. 16297705
>>16296851
Social clubs are absolutely a requirement for any good university. You haven't named a single exception, let alone several.
>>16296854
You can't choose none of the above. You can't choose to not participate in any. Being forced to continuously participate in a social gathering is far more obnoxious than writing a short, fictional statement about racist nonsense.
Anonymous at Fri, 26 Jul 2024 19:11:22 UTC No. 16297712
>>16297589
One is a creative writing essay that takes what, half an hour max? The other is a perpetual acting assignment that drains weeks and weeks of your life. And yes, dumb clubs ARE a requirement.
Anonymous at Fri, 26 Jul 2024 19:33:28 UTC No. 16297740
>>16297712
Dumb clubs may be a "requirement" in the sense that you might not be admitted to a top-tier university without them. I went to a mid-tier state school and barely did any clubs in high school except for some musicals. On the other hand nearly every job, even mid-tier ones, will require you to write an affirmation of faith.
You haven't addressed other anon's point that you're allowed to pick your club by the way. I'm not allowed to pick the topic of my diversity-is-our-strength essay
Anonymous at Fri, 26 Jul 2024 19:43:38 UTC No. 16297759
>>16296307
There's no such thing as an independent voter. It's a meme that news pushes. You can plainly see data that shows the overwhelming majority of people vote straight party their entire life. The only difference is the number of people who show up to vote. I live in a communist hellhole state and I am a registered independent, along with the majority of other people, because you will get harassed if you register as a Republican. Magical things happen in California if you register as a Republican. Your life gets harder whenever you go into any government building. This doesn't happen when you're an independent, which is why 90% of Republicans register as independent.
Anonymous at Fri, 26 Jul 2024 19:49:29 UTC No. 16297767
>>16297759
>Your life gets harder whenever you go into any government building.
How so?
Anonymous at Fri, 26 Jul 2024 20:58:26 UTC No. 16297887
>>16297740
You're not allowed to NOT pick a club. You're forced to participate in an ongoing structured social event, driven by a socially-selected leadership, with coparticipants who aspire to be part of that leadership, and you're forced to endure all of the tiresome clubplace politics and cattiness that adhere to such structures.
That said, the reasoning is unassailable: every career forces you into the same workplace dynamic so filtering people who can't make that sacrifice ensures a higher quality of alumni, with respect to career placement and mobility. My only point is spending 30 minutes polishing a turd you don't like is a far less annoying filter that serves the same purpose. Count your blessings.
Anonymous at Fri, 26 Jul 2024 21:46:15 UTC No. 16297943
>>16297705
>ou haven't named a single exception, let alone several.
I listed every UC. You're an idiot.
Anonymous at Fri, 26 Jul 2024 21:47:55 UTC No. 16297944
>>16297887
>You're not allowed to NOT pick a club.
You can join science club. You don't even have to show up, just become a member.
Anonymous at Fri, 26 Jul 2024 21:48:55 UTC No. 16297948
>>16297887
>every career forces you into the same workplace dynamic
Completely untrue. Work from home is more common then ever.
Anonymous at Fri, 26 Jul 2024 21:55:53 UTC No. 16297964
>>16297887
>You're not allowed to NOT pick a club
Repeating a lie over and over and over doesn't make it true, anon.
Anonymous at Fri, 26 Jul 2024 22:10:21 UTC No. 16297980
>>16297943
>>16297944
>>16297948
>>16297964
Take an hour or two to reflect on how this silly stream of collective consciousness only indicts itself.
Anonymous at Sat, 27 Jul 2024 00:04:03 UTC No. 16298133
>>16293029
>Every academic job application makes me write an essay about how much I love DEI and makes me want to kms
Ask me how I know you're in a blue state.
Anonymous at Sat, 27 Jul 2024 00:13:06 UTC No. 16298150
>>16293029
>an essay about how much I love DEI
Write a long passionate letter supporting more female Chinese students!
Anonymous at Sat, 27 Jul 2024 00:14:41 UTC No. 16298156
>>16298150
You know that's not the ask.
Anonymous at Sat, 27 Jul 2024 00:16:43 UTC No. 16298161
>>16298156
What you can support female Asian students?
Are you sexist and racist?
Anonymous at Sat, 27 Jul 2024 00:26:02 UTC No. 16298168
>>16298161
I support a whole family of students and ex students. Writing a DEI statement is simply a test of your ability to sacrifice yourself to the employ of your employer. Don't let other people make you mad about it until you have the gravitas to choose for yourself.
Anonymous at Sat, 27 Jul 2024 00:30:12 UTC No. 16298176
>>16298168
>Writing a DEI statement
I am strongly in support of increasing the number of minority females in Academia.
Anonymous at Sat, 27 Jul 2024 00:33:45 UTC No. 16298180
>>16298176
Lol
Anonymous at Sat, 27 Jul 2024 01:03:57 UTC No. 16298210
>>16298168
>Gravitas
Must be a faux humanities Ph.D.
I wonder if these people had the presence of mind to push back against the obviously subversive nature of DEI policies that goes against every single national priorities, or the academic morality of the institutions they claim to serve?
Anonymous at Sat, 27 Jul 2024 01:17:26 UTC No. 16298228
>>16298210
>every single national priorities
As foretold, you can't help but indict yourself in every post. Good night and we'll catch up in 16.
Anonymous at Sat, 27 Jul 2024 01:41:37 UTC No. 16298247
>>16298228
I haven't had a single occasion where these types actually address the points made. Do you think our deceptive enemies care how you are mindful enough about not 'indicting' yourself?
We're talking on a different wavelength here.
Anonymous at Sat, 27 Jul 2024 10:26:00 UTC No. 16298723
Everything I see is dangerous
Anonymous at Sat, 27 Jul 2024 10:50:31 UTC No. 16298744
>>16297759
Could you elaborate upon what gets harder?
Anonymous at Sat, 27 Jul 2024 10:53:28 UTC No. 16298747
>>16297980
Take an hour or two to reflect on why you're a boring retarded incel who didn't think to just sign up to the math olympiad club, perform in all relevant local, national, international competitions, and call it a day.
Erm it's a heckin creative writing assignment thoughbeit!!!!
Anonymous at Sat, 27 Jul 2024 10:55:11 UTC No. 16298749
>>16297705
>social clubs
No they aren't you fucking dolt, what kind of a retarded mongrelized dog are you? Your shithole school never had any olympiad or robotics clubs? Is that it?
Anonymous at Sat, 27 Jul 2024 10:59:04 UTC No. 16298750
>>16297759
Still doesnt nullify the point that yall are stealing trust in science from the future to grift today by consenting to having it coopted by sociopolitical agendas
Cult of Passion at Sat, 27 Jul 2024 11:01:29 UTC No. 16298752
>>16294883
>i said
I say*.
Anonymous at Sat, 27 Jul 2024 13:07:31 UTC No. 16298857
>>16293029
And why haven't you?
Anonymous at Sat, 27 Jul 2024 16:48:39 UTC No. 16299112
>>16298747
>>16298749
They are unless you can name a good university as a counterexample.
Anonymous at Sat, 27 Jul 2024 16:54:40 UTC No. 16299119
>>16298247
>deceptive enemies
>wavelength
Consider reverting to tin. It's more expensive than Reynolds Wrap but shields you better.
Anonymous at Sat, 27 Jul 2024 17:38:16 UTC No. 16299163
>>16298133
Universities in Red states make you do the same shit... only now in addition to the DEI statement you also need to write a statement on how you will 'promote intellectual diversity".
In other words, leftists punish you if you don't dedicate a portion of your class to highlighting the plight of queer transfemale African agricultural workers or issue trigger warnings at the start of every lecture, and righties punish you if you don't dedicate equal time to every crank neoconservative evangelist political viewpoint.
Anonymous at Sat, 27 Jul 2024 17:45:45 UTC No. 16299177
>>16299163
NTA but the underlying truth is that every valuable career path subjugates you to the same designs of flattery. Fulfilling it with a half hour bit of crankery is objectively easier than whatever else you've done to get there.
Anonymous at Sat, 27 Jul 2024 17:51:17 UTC No. 16299184
>>16299177
>just accept the humiliation rituals, anon.
Anonymous at Sat, 27 Jul 2024 18:08:59 UTC No. 16299206
>>16299112
Moving the goalpoasts. Also, every UC is a good school.
Anonymous at Sat, 27 Jul 2024 18:11:22 UTC No. 16299210
>>16299177
>half hour bit of crankery
Still just outright lying. You have to worship at the altar of DEI every day if you're in academia.
Anonymous at Sat, 27 Jul 2024 18:12:40 UTC No. 16299213
>>16299184
Humiliation rituals predate DEI and exist whether you want them to or not.
>>16299206
Moving them from where to where? You're very confused.
Anonymous at Sat, 27 Jul 2024 18:14:31 UTC No. 16299216
>>16299210
I doubt you'd know and I doubt you'd care if it weren't for the media with which you choose to program yourself.
Anonymous at Sat, 27 Jul 2024 18:17:57 UTC No. 16299218
>>16299206
To put a finer point on it, continually naming an amalgam of state colleges as an example of a good university only makes you look worse and worse the longer you do it.
Anonymous at Sat, 27 Jul 2024 18:21:24 UTC No. 16299223
>>16299206
I am from the Bay and I can at least anecdotally say that I know multiple people who went to Cal without substantial club participation, though they were all at least basic members of something. One of my good friends went there and I was the president/co-founder of the club we were in together while he only had a nominal role I gave him to help with his college apps. He didn't ever even go to any of the regional or national competitions others who were into it did. So if that anecdote is anything to go by, they might expect only the very bare minimum of club participation.
Anonymous at Sat, 27 Jul 2024 18:27:26 UTC No. 16299233
>>16299223
Participating in the club defined by your family is no less tiresome or apolitical than participating in any random club.
Anonymous at Sat, 27 Jul 2024 20:10:49 UTC No. 16299392
>>16299213
>Moving them from where to where?
From "you can't get into a university" to "oh those universities don't count."
Anonymous at Sat, 27 Jul 2024 20:12:43 UTC No. 16299397
>>16299216
>I doubt you'd know
Who cares about your doubts.
>and I doubt you'd care if it weren't for the media with which you choose to program yourself.
I don't consume whatever media you think I do, also irrelevant.
Anonymous at Sat, 27 Jul 2024 20:15:29 UTC No. 16299405
>>16299218
>amalgam of state colleges
I never mentioned the California state colleges (CSUs), but there is nothing wrong with those colleges.
Anonymous at Sat, 27 Jul 2024 20:17:27 UTC No. 16299413
>>16299392
I never erected either of those goalposts. You can't name a single worthwhile university that doesn't require participation in a social club.
>>16299397
You wouldn't even know about DEI if you didn't consume media.
Anonymous at Sat, 27 Jul 2024 20:17:53 UTC No. 16299416
>>16299177
>half hour bit of crankery
Outing yourself as somebody who hasn't actually applied for these things or gotten feedback from academics. University hiring boards can absolutely tell if you just shit out some vague diversity statement without meaning it.
Anonymous at Sat, 27 Jul 2024 20:18:05 UTC No. 16299419
>>16299233
>Participating in the club defined by your family is no less tiresome or apolitical than participating in any random club.
>He didn't ever even go to any of the regional or national competitions others who were into it did. So if that anecdote is anything to go by, they might expect only the very bare minimum of club participation.
I like how you ignore the statement that directly contradicts your lying.
Anonymous at Sat, 27 Jul 2024 20:18:50 UTC No. 16299422
>>16299405
They aren't collectively a good university. Tell us what you mean by UC.
Anonymous at Sat, 27 Jul 2024 20:19:13 UTC No. 16299423
>>16299163
>'promote intellectual diversity".
I think we need to include minority femdom females as well as minority submissive females. A diverse intellectual range of females.
Anonymous at Sat, 27 Jul 2024 20:19:16 UTC No. 16299425
>>16299413
>You can't name a single worthwhile university that doesn't require participation in a social club.
Every UC.
>You wouldn't even know about DEI if you didn't consume media.
How would you know?
Anonymous at Sat, 27 Jul 2024 20:20:15 UTC No. 16299427
>>16299416
>>16299419
Which statement contradict my lying?
Anonymous at Sat, 27 Jul 2024 20:20:36 UTC No. 16299429
>>16299422
>Tell us what you mean by UC.
Are you actually a bot or something? This would actually explain a lot.
Anonymous at Sat, 27 Jul 2024 20:21:54 UTC No. 16299432
>>16299427
bot-tier response
Anonymous at Sat, 27 Jul 2024 20:22:00 UTC No. 16299435
>>16299425
>Every UC
Isn't a name.
>How would you know?
How would you have a deeper understanding of what DEI is and does if you didn't consume media?
Anonymous at Sat, 27 Jul 2024 20:24:24 UTC No. 16299436
>>16299429
>>16299432
What's your fascination with bots? Are you worried that the concept describes you better than it describes others?
Anonymous at Sat, 27 Jul 2024 22:17:10 UTC No. 16299559
>>16299427
I do not see how this reply relates to >>16299416 at all
Anonymous at Sat, 27 Jul 2024 22:20:06 UTC No. 16299563
>>16299559
What makes you so sure about
>absolutely tell if you just shit out some vague diversity statement without meaning it
Anonymous at Sat, 27 Jul 2024 22:21:36 UTC No. 16299566
>>16299563
Advice from advisor and academic collaborators during application cycles.
Anonymous at Sat, 27 Jul 2024 22:22:25 UTC No. 16299567
>>16299566
Bad advice is just that.
Anonymous at Sat, 27 Jul 2024 22:24:06 UTC No. 16299570
>>16299567
What makes you so sure that it's bad advice?
Anonymous at Sat, 27 Jul 2024 22:26:34 UTC No. 16299573
>>16299570
I understand the advice to be "DEI statements are analyzed for sincerity: you must be sincere."
Anonymous at Sat, 27 Jul 2024 22:30:56 UTC No. 16299575
>>16299573
Can you really not tell when you're reading meaningless chatgpt slop?
Anonymous at Sat, 27 Jul 2024 22:35:02 UTC No. 16299582
>>16299575
I don't partake in gen z stupidity. Whoever advised you against "shitting out some vague diversity statement without meaning it" didn't have your best interest in mind.
Anonymous at Sat, 27 Jul 2024 22:36:51 UTC No. 16299584
>>16299582
You didn't answer my question though. If you were on a hiring committee for a university, and somebody shat out a generic diversity statement that sounds like chatgpt wrote it, you wouldn't notice?
Anonymous at Sat, 27 Jul 2024 22:41:57 UTC No. 16299590
>>16299584
I am and I would. If you were unable to "shit out" a vague diversity statement without delegating it to a computer, I'd reject your application.
Anonymous at Sat, 27 Jul 2024 22:44:22 UTC No. 16299594
>>16299573
>"DEI statements are analyzed for sincerity: you must be sincere."
You must declare that there are FIVE lights AND you have to be sincere when you say so!
Anonymous at Sat, 27 Jul 2024 22:45:49 UTC No. 16299595
>>16299590
Oh damn didn't realize I was talking to an actual powerful academic here! Any tips for writing an effective diversity statement? Application season is just around the corner
Anonymous at Sat, 27 Jul 2024 22:51:23 UTC No. 16299598
>>16299595
Imagine how easy it would be to declare this
>>16299594
and ask yourself why you can't.
Anonymous at Sat, 27 Jul 2024 22:53:51 UTC No. 16299603
>>16299598
Here's what I've got so far
>Diversity and equity are very important to me.
Any feedback?
Anonymous at Sat, 27 Jul 2024 22:54:46 UTC No. 16299607
>>16299603
Impersonal.
Anonymous at Sat, 27 Jul 2024 22:56:32 UTC No. 16299609
>>16299607
How so?
Anonymous at Sat, 27 Jul 2024 22:57:51 UTC No. 16299610
>>16299598
>and ask yourself why you can't.
Because it is NOT true, we are NOT better with DEI, we are weaker and dumber for it.
MERIT should be rewarded not a person's gender, race, or sexual orientation.
Anonymous at Sat, 27 Jul 2024 22:58:02 UTC No. 16299612
>>16299609
Says nothing about how and why diversity and equity are very important to your life.
Anonymous at Sat, 27 Jul 2024 23:00:16 UTC No. 16299614
>>16299610
Define merit. What is it and why should it be rewarded?
Anonymous at Sat, 27 Jul 2024 23:06:03 UTC No. 16299622
>>16299614
>Define merit. What is it and why should it be rewarded?
You should be nominated as the next DEI Supreme Court nominee... IF your gender, race, and sexual orientation are 'correct'
Anonymous at Sat, 27 Jul 2024 23:06:22 UTC No. 16299623
>>16299612
Why does it need to?
Anonymous at Sat, 27 Jul 2024 23:09:02 UTC No. 16299626
>>16293029
Saar, hire us to swear you love DEI and wrote essay.
Anonymous at Sat, 27 Jul 2024 23:12:32 UTC No. 16299628
>>16299623
No one needs to pass a test. If you want to, it's as easy as conforming to the questions.
>>16299622
I decline the nomination but thank you.
Anonymous at Sat, 27 Jul 2024 23:14:38 UTC No. 16299633
>>16299628
>No one needs to pass a test. If you want to, it's as easy as conforming to the questions.
Yeah but asking you as someone with experience on hiring committees like this, why is it important that I specify why diversity is important to my life personally? Isn't it enough to just acknowledge its importance?
Anonymous at Sat, 27 Jul 2024 23:20:32 UTC No. 16299640
>>16299633
People who can't spin a page of their own autobiography on demand aren't bad people, they're just not valuable or hirable.
Anonymous at Sat, 27 Jul 2024 23:25:02 UTC No. 16299647
>>16299640
Why is writing a page of my own autobiography a valuable skill as a math researcher?
Anonymous at Sat, 27 Jul 2024 23:27:37 UTC No. 16299648
>>16299647
It's not, the thread is
>Every academic job application makes me write an essay about how much I love DEI and makes me want to kms
I'm quite sure you can be a math researcher without applying for an academic job.
Anonymous at Sat, 27 Jul 2024 23:28:15 UTC No. 16299649
>>16299648
Why is writing a page of my own autobiography a valuable skill as a math researcher in academia?
Anonymous at Sat, 27 Jul 2024 23:32:15 UTC No. 16299652
>>16299649
It isn't. Spinning a page is.
Anonymous at Sat, 27 Jul 2024 23:32:51 UTC No. 16299653
>>16299652
Why?
Anonymous at Sat, 27 Jul 2024 23:34:07 UTC No. 16299655
Would you allow >>16298161 to ruin your life, anon?
Anonymous at Sat, 27 Jul 2024 23:38:44 UTC No. 16299661
>>16299655
YES... all those horrible nights of hours and hours of sex, when I could have been doing research!
Anonymous at Sat, 27 Jul 2024 23:42:42 UTC No. 16299666
>>16299653
Academia is a mentorship. If you can't spin a story about yourself, you can't attract students who want you to mentor them.
Anonymous at Sat, 27 Jul 2024 23:46:17 UTC No. 16299674
>>16299666
I think I get it now. Diversity statements are required in academic job applications because universities need to make sure that I can spin a quick autobiographical page, because I need to demonstrate the ability to attract potential students by talking about my life in an interesting way. Is that basically it?
Anonymous at Sat, 27 Jul 2024 23:50:48 UTC No. 16299679
>>16293095
>and raises awareness about the plight of women in the middle east or whatever
they wouldn't ask something so antisemitic
Anonymous at Sat, 27 Jul 2024 23:54:44 UTC No. 16299685
>>16299674
Diversity statements are de rigueur because they're easier than what they replaced and ease is a perennial trump card.
Anonymous at Sat, 27 Jul 2024 23:59:43 UTC No. 16299692
>>16299685
What did they replace?
Anonymous at Sun, 28 Jul 2024 00:01:24 UTC No. 16299695
>>16299692
Social networks.
Anonymous at Sun, 28 Jul 2024 00:03:12 UTC No. 16299697
>>16299695
What? Social networks are still way easier to hire on and are the ultimate trump card.
Also why diversity specifically? Wouldn't it make more sense for me to write an autobiographical statement about why math is important?
Anonymous at Sun, 28 Jul 2024 00:07:00 UTC No. 16299698
>>16299697
It's a filter on people who think that "making sense" is more important than polishing a turd you were tasked to polish.
Anonymous at Sun, 28 Jul 2024 00:09:23 UTC No. 16299703
>>16299698
Yeah but why diversity specifically?
Anonymous at Sun, 28 Jul 2024 00:10:42 UTC No. 16299704
>>16299703
Why not?
Anonymous at Sun, 28 Jul 2024 00:14:58 UTC No. 16299709
>>16299704
Because it's irrelevant to science. So why?
Anonymous at Sun, 28 Jul 2024 00:19:13 UTC No. 16299713
>>16299709
Filtering people who overvalue relevance. Why do you care so much about filter we use? The reasoning is limpid.
Anonymous at Sun, 28 Jul 2024 00:21:26 UTC No. 16299715
>>16299713
Seems peculiar that every single university uses the exact same arbitrary topic to give as a shit test. You'd think there would be more variety
Anonymous at Sun, 28 Jul 2024 00:24:23 UTC No. 16299717
>>16299715
It works. What other shit test would get a comparable kickback?
Anonymous at Sun, 28 Jul 2024 00:24:41 UTC No. 16299718
>>16299717
Asking people to be super racist would get way more kick back
Anonymous at Sun, 28 Jul 2024 00:25:49 UTC No. 16299721
>>16299718
There's no space between what you proposed and what you're complaining about.
Anonymous at Sun, 28 Jul 2024 00:28:51 UTC No. 16299724
>>16299721
As an academic with experience on hiring committees, how many times do you recommend I say nigger in my diversity statement?
Anonymous at Sun, 28 Jul 2024 00:30:38 UTC No. 16299728
>>16299724
What job are you applying for?
Anonymous at Sun, 28 Jul 2024 00:32:08 UTC No. 16299731
>>16299728
Professor
Anonymous at Sun, 28 Jul 2024 00:32:47 UTC No. 16299732
>>16299731
Of what?
Anonymous at Sun, 28 Jul 2024 00:34:11 UTC No. 16299735
>>16299732
University
Anonymous at Sun, 28 Jul 2024 00:39:47 UTC No. 16299743
>>16299735
>Professor of University
You're being scammed. Don't apply for that job.
Anonymous at Sun, 28 Jul 2024 00:45:02 UTC No. 16299752
>>16299731
>Professor
Just marry a Chinese woman, and tell how much you empathize with all her struggles.
Anonymous at Sun, 28 Jul 2024 00:48:21 UTC No. 16299754
>>16299743
$450K starting salary, not gonna pass this up on the off chance it's a scam
Anonymous at Sun, 28 Jul 2024 00:51:49 UTC No. 16299756
>>16299752
https://youtu.be/CTUsFm0BAu8?t=16s
>>16299754
Yes, you're on to something. Do it.
Anonymous at Sun, 28 Jul 2024 01:35:41 UTC No. 16299799
>>16299666
That is just a cult with extra steps.
Anonymous at Sun, 28 Jul 2024 01:38:26 UTC No. 16299801
Anonymous at Sun, 28 Jul 2024 01:39:42 UTC No. 16299804
>>16299799
>>16299801
What's a cult and why is it bad?
Anonymous at Sun, 28 Jul 2024 02:26:41 UTC No. 16299841
https://youtu.be/92cF_KCH7TU
Anonymous at Sun, 28 Jul 2024 07:17:48 UTC No. 16300039
>>16296449
You are not expected to lie in a social event you don't like.
Writing a DEI paper against your own beliefs is writing down false statements. Humans are wired in a way that once they express support for a position, even if they know it is false, agree with it a bit more afterwards. Putting it in writing also makes all futute writing and research comparable to the DEI statement.
If one later wanted to go against their DEI statement they had to either explain their change of heart or admit to having lied. Both things hunans do not like to do.
Requiring applicants to pen a DEI statement therefore entrenches DEI ideas deeper into academia.
Anonymous at Sun, 28 Jul 2024 09:41:49 UTC No. 16300161
>>16293096
Why did this kino filter so many?
Anonymous at Sun, 28 Jul 2024 09:43:02 UTC No. 16300163
>>16296146
What's the symbol on the left guy?
Anonymous at Sun, 28 Jul 2024 18:27:17 UTC No. 16300648
>>16300039
You are. Every social event, whether you like it or not, requires you play a role. Not just writing down a false statement but speaking it and acting it out. Even if it's just presenting good manners and helping other people feel more comfortable with graceful small talk. The only reason you're more upset about being forced to write a onetime fiction than being forced to act out a repeated fiction is that you've programmed yourself to care more about one fiction than the other.
Anonymous at Sun, 28 Jul 2024 19:37:58 UTC No. 16300761
>>16299799
>That is just a cult with extra steps.
Exactly... they already have decided the 'truth' and they will MAKE you agree to it and profess that you agree with it.
Facts, data, reality... these mean nothing, the truth is what THEY say it is
Anonymous at Sun, 28 Jul 2024 19:40:51 UTC No. 16300767
>>16300761
How is that different than forcing you to recite the pledge of allegiance?
Anonymous at Sun, 28 Jul 2024 21:27:55 UTC No. 16300919
>>16300039
Well said.
Anonymous at Sun, 28 Jul 2024 21:29:38 UTC No. 16300922
>>16300648
Pilpul.
Anonymous at Sun, 28 Jul 2024 21:34:50 UTC No. 16300927
>>16300919
No, not really.
>>16300922
How so?
Anonymous at Sun, 28 Jul 2024 22:40:19 UTC No. 16301023
>>16300767
>forcing you to recite the pledge of allegiance?
Please tell me what university FORCES students/staff to pledge allegiance before allowing them to attend/hiring them?
You must be underage, you think it is COOL to always be the devils advocate... you are not, it is just annoying
Anonymous at Sun, 28 Jul 2024 22:42:56 UTC No. 16301029
>>16301023
No more or less annoying than a DEI statement. Don't misanswer the analogy, answer it directly.
Anonymous at Sun, 28 Jul 2024 23:08:37 UTC No. 16301063
>>16296599
There's no reason why. It's just a bunch of memes. People are retarded.
Anonymous at Sun, 28 Jul 2024 23:16:23 UTC No. 16301078
>>16300767
How is making you write a personal statement on the importance of diversity different from reciting prewritten sentences in unison?
Anonymous at Sun, 28 Jul 2024 23:17:47 UTC No. 16301080
>>16301078
It's not. What's the argument for why it is?
Anonymous at Mon, 29 Jul 2024 17:18:47 UTC No. 16302039
>>16301080
Can you really think of absolutely zero differences between those scenarios?
Anonymous at Mon, 29 Jul 2024 17:38:54 UTC No. 16302066
>>16302039
None that matter to >>16300761
Can you?
Anonymous at Mon, 29 Jul 2024 18:03:33 UTC No. 16302105
>>16302066
Yes, in one situation you don't need to put any thought into it at all and nobody is actually paying attention to whether you're actually saying anything; in another situation you need to express the dogma sufficiently well or you won't be hired. That wasn't hard at all to think of and it's weird how you couldn't.
Anonymous at Mon, 29 Jul 2024 18:21:31 UTC No. 16302135
>>16302105
If you want to express a difference that doesn’t matter to >>16300761, you can simply go with division over unity.
Anonymous at Mon, 29 Jul 2024 18:27:20 UTC No. 16302145
>>16302135
Does the difference register for you?
Anonymous at Mon, 29 Jul 2024 18:42:12 UTC No. 16302173
>>16302145
Sure. It’s like the difference between driving 53 or 54 in a 55. Nothing to do with the post in question.
Anonymous at Mon, 29 Jul 2024 18:45:08 UTC No. 16302178
>>16302173
It's not clear what you're communicating with this analogy.
Anonymous at Mon, 29 Jul 2024 18:48:30 UTC No. 16302185
>>16302178
That your story here >>16302105 doesn’t matter to >>16300761
Anonymous at Mon, 29 Jul 2024 19:30:58 UTC No. 16302275
>>16302185
But I asked you if *you* appreciated the difference between saying the pledge of allegiance in elementary school and writing an affirmation of faith in every job application
Anonymous at Mon, 29 Jul 2024 19:58:26 UTC No. 16302317
>>16302275
You asked me if I register it, which I do, not if I appreciate it, which I don’t. I recognize the difference and value it at zero.
Anonymous at Mon, 29 Jul 2024 20:03:45 UTC No. 16302328
>>16302317
No you don't, you're just being a silly billy.
Anonymous at Mon, 29 Jul 2024 20:06:48 UTC No. 16302335
The only arguments you’ve presented are incredulity >>16302039 and a cradle rhyme >>16302328
Anonymous at Mon, 29 Jul 2024 20:08:48 UTC No. 16302339
>>16302335
actually I did present an argument between those two posts. You haven't presented any argument about why the two situations are the same however
Anonymous at Mon, 29 Jul 2024 20:15:26 UTC No. 16302348
>>16302339
>You haven't presented any argument about why the two situations are the same however
To be fair, he hasn't really presented arguments this whole thread.
Anonymous at Mon, 29 Jul 2024 20:19:01 UTC No. 16302353
>>16302339
If your implied argument here >>16302105 is that reciting a falsity once creatively sticks to your brain more than reciting a falsity a thousand times dogmatically, then you don’t understand how brains work.
Anonymous at Mon, 29 Jul 2024 20:20:02 UTC No. 16302355
>>16302348
A clapping seal. Wonderful.
Anonymous at Mon, 29 Jul 2024 20:20:21 UTC No. 16302356
>>16302353
Still waiting for your argument about how the two situations are the same
Anonymous at Mon, 29 Jul 2024 20:21:20 UTC No. 16302358
>>16302356
Still waiting for yours on how they’re different?
Anonymous at Mon, 29 Jul 2024 20:24:16 UTC No. 16302360
>>16302358
You literally just quoted it tho
Anonymous at Mon, 29 Jul 2024 20:25:43 UTC No. 16302362
>>16302360
And as a sideshow, argued the opposite.
Anonymous at Mon, 29 Jul 2024 20:27:56 UTC No. 16302365
>>16302362
No you didn't, in fact you seem to agree with me that the two situations are different
Anonymous at Mon, 29 Jul 2024 20:30:04 UTC No. 16302371
>>16302365
So we agree now?
Anonymous at Mon, 29 Jul 2024 20:31:50 UTC No. 16302374
>>16302371
Yes, we agree that forced diversity statements and reciting the pledge of allegiance are different in at least one way.
Another way they are different is that nobody has ever faced consequences for not reciting the pledge of allegiance.
Anonymous at Mon, 29 Jul 2024 20:41:23 UTC No. 16302389
>>16302374
And I went so far as to volunteer a second way >>16302135 that they’re different. That a difference exists doesn’t mean that it supports the one lazily described here >>16300761
Anonymous at Mon, 29 Jul 2024 20:47:29 UTC No. 16302395
>>16302389
How is what he's describing any different from companies forcing new hires to agree that homosexuality is immoral?
Anonymous at Mon, 29 Jul 2024 20:49:22 UTC No. 16302397
>>16302395
It’s not. What’s the argument for why it is?
Anonymous at Mon, 29 Jul 2024 20:52:09 UTC No. 16302402
>>16302397
I don't have one. I agree that forcing me to write a diversity statement to get hired is pretty much like forcing me to write a statement of homophobia. Both are of course bad situations, although thankfully I only have to deal with the former
Anonymous at Mon, 29 Jul 2024 20:57:41 UTC No. 16302412
>>16302402
So we agree after all. There’s no meaningful difference I can think of other than that first trial is real and the second imaginary.
Anonymous at Mon, 29 Jul 2024 21:00:01 UTC No. 16302416
>>16302412
Whereas forcing kids to recite the pledge of allegiance is both imaginary AND pretty different
Anonymous at Mon, 29 Jul 2024 21:01:03 UTC No. 16302417
>>16302416
How so?
Anonymous at Mon, 29 Jul 2024 21:04:55 UTC No. 16302425
>>16302417
You and I have already both pointed out some differences, and the supreme court ruled that students can't be forced to recite the pledge in 1943
Anonymous at Mon, 29 Jul 2024 21:07:16 UTC No. 16302428
>>16302425
No one can be forced to recite a DEI pledge.
Anonymous at Mon, 29 Jul 2024 21:10:09 UTC No. 16302435
>>16302428
>ok we're not gonna force you to say the pledge, we'll just expel you if you don't
Anonymous at Mon, 29 Jul 2024 21:13:09 UTC No. 16302437
stop posting you fucking retard holy shit
Anonymous at Mon, 29 Jul 2024 21:13:30 UTC No. 16302438
>>16302435
Expel you from what? You’re a pledge, not a member.
Anonymous at Mon, 29 Jul 2024 21:17:41 UTC No. 16302444
>>16302438
>you're a pledge, not a member
you having a stroke?
Anonymous at Mon, 29 Jul 2024 21:20:47 UTC No. 16302452
>>16302444
You’re applying to join a club. You’re not already in it.
Anonymous at Mon, 29 Jul 2024 21:24:11 UTC No. 16302459
>>16302452
and in order to join the club you are forced to recite a diversity pledge yes?
Anonymous at Mon, 29 Jul 2024 21:28:20 UTC No. 16302464
>>16302459
Among other things. The requirement to join a handful of other social clubs is objectively more painful by any measure.
Anonymous at Mon, 29 Jul 2024 22:17:18 UTC No. 16302502
>>16293029
>I love DEI
Tell the Chair that we MUST have more Chinese women on our team.
Anonymous at Mon, 29 Jul 2024 22:23:12 UTC No. 16302506
>>16302502
This might just work.
Makes those DEI staff SEETHE.
Anonymous at Tue, 30 Jul 2024 07:54:12 UTC No. 16302934
>>16302506
>>16302502
CCP shills insert themselves into the weirdest shit.
Anonymous at Tue, 30 Jul 2024 20:43:52 UTC No. 16303680
>>16302934
>CCP shills
HTF does posting the hottest Asian QT's (probably Chinese because there are a quadzillion Chinese women) make you a CCP shill?
Anonymous at Tue, 30 Jul 2024 20:48:37 UTC No. 16303686
>>16303680
posting about chink shit that no one cares about, except for chinks, in a thread that has nothing to do with chinks.
Anonymous at Tue, 30 Jul 2024 21:08:23 UTC No. 16303704
>>16302934
Thread stinks of glowes, bots, shills, and bio majors.
Anonymous at Tue, 30 Jul 2024 21:39:20 UTC No. 16303733
>>16303686
>a thread that has nothing to do with chinks.
WTF do you think DEI *IS*?
It is everyone but White Straight Christian Males.
Anonymous at Tue, 30 Jul 2024 21:58:41 UTC No. 16303766
>>16293061
God damnit that's so good. But a man must consider his reputation unfortunately.
Anonymous at Tue, 30 Jul 2024 22:44:28 UTC No. 16303827
>>16296174
> the political media you consume tells you you should be.
And also because DEI sucks, regardless of what the media says? I came to that conclusion myself
Anonymous at Tue, 30 Jul 2024 22:48:00 UTC No. 16303832
>>16296322
Some careerism activities are annoying but mostly inoffensive. DEI causes great societal harm since it is literally applying systemic discrimination against the majority of the population all for the benefit of a small minority of crazies
Anonymous at Wed, 31 Jul 2024 18:17:32 UTC No. 16304841
>>16302464
Some social clubs are actually fun to be in though
Anonymous at Wed, 31 Jul 2024 23:30:00 UTC No. 16305149
>>16303832
>literally applying systemic discrimination against the majority of the population all for the benefit of a small minority of crazies
How does that description of DEI not also apply to money, as distributed by inheritance, land and mineral rights, IP, social network, etc?
>>16304841
For people who enjoy them. Some people also enjoy writing DEI statements.
Anonymous at Wed, 31 Jul 2024 23:46:40 UTC No. 16305161
>>16305149
how does social networking benefit a small minority of crazies?
Anonymous at Wed, 31 Jul 2024 23:49:49 UTC No. 16305167
This thread glows.
Anonymous at Wed, 31 Jul 2024 23:52:37 UTC No. 16305172
>>16303827
I didn't fault the average poster for concluding that DEI sucks. I said the politcal media they choose to consume is what tickles them to feel like a half hour of forced DEI socialization is somehow more burdensome than a year's worth of forced generic socialization.
Anonymous at Wed, 31 Jul 2024 23:54:19 UTC No. 16305173
>>16305161
Not social networking, social network. The one you were born to. Geographically, nepotistically.
Anonymous at Wed, 31 Jul 2024 23:58:55 UTC No. 16305177
>>16305172
>I said the politcal media they choose to consume is what tickles them to feel like a half hour of forced DEI socialization is somehow more burdensome than a year's worth of forced generic socialization.
Idiotic statement. Unfounded.
Anonymous at Wed, 31 Jul 2024 23:59:53 UTC No. 16305178
>>16305177
Vapid reply. Unarticulated.
Anonymous at Thu, 1 Aug 2024 00:02:11 UTC No. 16305180
>>16305173
How does that benefit a small minority of crazies?
Anonymous at Thu, 1 Aug 2024 00:04:28 UTC No. 16305182
>>16305177
>>16305178
The gods of dubs have spoken.
Anonymous at Thu, 1 Aug 2024 00:04:35 UTC No. 16305183
>>16305172
Do you only feel this way because of the political media you choose to consume?
Anonymous at Thu, 1 Aug 2024 00:20:29 UTC No. 16305192
>>16305180
You have access to the people your parents have access to.
>>16305183
It's a simple measurement of how much time it takes to fulfill either requirement. Do you disagree that it takes more time to write a DEI statement than it takes to participate in a weekly social club for a year?
Anonymous at Thu, 1 Aug 2024 00:21:54 UTC No. 16305194
>>16305192
*less, but obviously
Anonymous at Thu, 1 Aug 2024 00:23:18 UTC No. 16305197
>>16305192
You didn't answer anon's question.
Anonymous at Thu, 1 Aug 2024 00:25:29 UTC No. 16305200
>>16305197
Which question? I answered two anons in that posts.
Anonymous at Thu, 1 Aug 2024 00:28:06 UTC No. 16305203
>>16305199
It's relevant to the political repercussions of DEI but not to the academic topic of the thread.
Anonymous at Thu, 1 Aug 2024 01:48:16 UTC No. 16305288
>>16303766
>>100gb pdf of "nigger" repeating
>that's so good
How?
Anonymous at Thu, 1 Aug 2024 07:17:31 UTC No. 16305619
>>16305192
No obviously doing a weekly club for a year takes more time, but all the clubs I did were things that I enjoyed. Why are you talking about high school though? This is about dumb hoops they make you jump through to apply for jobs
Anonymous at Thu, 1 Aug 2024 07:26:08 UTC No. 16305622
>>16297589
Let me guess: you're one of those dimwits who argue whether or not you're hungry that you agree or disagree to lunch with a chick instead of seeing it as a potential setup for future sexual relations.
Anonymous at Thu, 1 Aug 2024 08:20:58 UTC No. 16305634
Just don’t write it. If they don’t hire you, who cares. You would have hated the fakeness of it anyways.
Anonymous at Thu, 1 Aug 2024 13:16:31 UTC No. 16305804
>>16305172
>>16296174
I mean.......... What can I say , do you actually do science?
Biology is racist .
Have you noticed that all birds don't procreate with each other and live with each other left and right ?
But actually ducks are with ducks, geese with geese, pigeons with pigeons, eagles with eagles etc.etc.?
I mean........ have they consumed political media, or are you just have been brainwashed into accepting that pigeons should be with eagles and its ok???????
Anonymous at Thu, 1 Aug 2024 15:36:50 UTC No. 16305921
>>16305619
It's about academic jobs. Having applied to a university is baked in.
>>16305804
>Biology is racist .
Speciesism is what you go on to describe. Not that it's in any way relevant to an academic job application. I just wanted to quote your cute orbiting period .
Anonymous at Thu, 1 Aug 2024 15:55:24 UTC No. 16305936
>Cult
If it's taken over academia, is being pushed by politicians and the largest banks and corporations, it's not a cult anymore. Woke is a full-blown religion.
Supernaturalism is not a requirement for something to be a religion. We only see it as a component of religion because we've secularized and moved past the belief, use other methods to explain existence and observed reality.
Anonymous at Thu, 1 Aug 2024 16:52:37 UTC No. 16305986
>>16305921
>It's about academic jobs. Having applied to a university is baked in.
In that case having to go to social clubs once a week takes way less time than needing to go to school for 8 hours a day for 12 years
Anonymous at Thu, 1 Aug 2024 17:10:13 UTC No. 16306004
>>16305986
Good point. The prequisite to simply eat lunch in a Lord of the Flies cafeteria for 12 years is far more taxing than a weekly social club which is in turn far more taxing than writing a single DEI statement.
Anonymous at Thu, 1 Aug 2024 18:02:35 UTC No. 16306049
>>16305936
While also irrelevant to academic job applications, I'd quibble that the precepts of DEI do in fact go beyond the laws of nature and thus satisfy supernaturalism.
Anonymous at Thu, 1 Aug 2024 18:12:39 UTC No. 16306055
>>16293093
Pep Guardiola accidentally said something like this at a press conference.
Anonymous at Thu, 1 Aug 2024 19:47:30 UTC No. 16306143
>>16306004
You bring up a good point; the prerequisite to eat food multiple times every day makes all these other requirements pale in comparison
Anonymous at Thu, 1 Aug 2024 19:52:10 UTC No. 16306146
>>16293029
Once you get the job every grant proposal you write will also require a DEI statement. Just ask a chatbot to write it for you.
Anonymous at Thu, 1 Aug 2024 20:31:36 UTC No. 16306193
>>16306143
That, on the other hand, is a poor point, being unconditioned by academia.
Anonymous at Fri, 2 Aug 2024 00:36:57 UTC No. 16306412
>>16306193
But it's still a giant chunk of your time
Anonymous at Fri, 2 Aug 2024 01:33:31 UTC No. 16306450
>>16306412
But in this case what the time measures is neither the pursuit of academia nor forced socialization with lunatics, which are the two threads tying our cafeterias and clubs to the theme of our fictions.
Anonymous at Fri, 2 Aug 2024 14:47:20 UTC No. 16307098
>"You haven't noticed these other forms of mind control/brainwashing, therefore writing a DEI statement is ok!"
Does the CIgay really?
Anonymous at Fri, 2 Aug 2024 15:36:41 UTC No. 16307163
>I can tolerate being stabbed with a knife for 12 years but ZOMG poking myself once with this wooden spoon is just too much pain to endure
Anonymous at Fri, 2 Aug 2024 16:06:54 UTC No. 16307226
>>16293029
Things will change slowly. What's important to know about DEI policies is that most of it is driven by minority women at a subconscious level, appealing to whom they perceive as the existing mainstream social sensibilities. They are also proficient in manipulating White women in HR for this.
As you can see ITT, women are the main secret motivators and drivers of these agendas. When they are free to act and have their voices be the 'covert' leading message in any family or society, it is bound for destruction.
Just fake the DEI statement and get in there to change things when the time is right, man. Be smart and know what they want to hear from you.
Anonymous at Fri, 2 Aug 2024 16:23:04 UTC No. 16307243
>>16293029
>being an Amerishart in Shartistan
Diagnosed your problem, f a m
If you want an equal salary, you have a few options in Europe or in the Gulf, here is an example.
Anonymous at Fri, 2 Aug 2024 17:55:30 UTC No. 16307339
>>16307226
>change things when the time is right
DEI peaked sometime in the late 2010s. What we're seeing right now is already the midpoint of a snowballing avalanche of posturing and retconned hysteria from people who were equally happy to ride the social wave up as they are to ride it down.
Anonymous at Fri, 2 Aug 2024 17:59:15 UTC No. 16307350
>>16307339
I see.
Good.
Anonymous at Fri, 2 Aug 2024 18:07:20 UTC No. 16307358
>>16307350
Neutral, I think. More like an amoral wave that exploded pure nepotism to nepotistic racism and is imploding back to pure nepotism.
Anonymous at Fri, 2 Aug 2024 18:18:59 UTC No. 16307382
Anonymous at Sat, 3 Aug 2024 14:08:50 UTC No. 16308466
>>16306450
But how is needing to eat all the time any different? You can't get an academic job if you don't
Anonymous at Sat, 3 Aug 2024 14:44:17 UTC No. 16308495
>>16308466
Needing to eat (1) isn't conditioned by whether or not you want an academic job and (2) doesn't require you to participate in the social machinations and delusions of other people. Being forced to write a DEI statement or eat in a school cafeteria are and do both.
Anonymous at Sun, 4 Aug 2024 03:37:53 UTC No. 16309337
I am getting a better idea of what is going on now.
A lot of undisciplined, amoral degenerates, criminal liars, and hypocrites running this show can't do anything against the enemies.
They caused most of the problems since the 60s at least.
Anonymous at Sun, 4 Aug 2024 04:41:19 UTC No. 16309404
>>16308495
if you want an academic job you're gonna need to eat
Anonymous at Sun, 4 Aug 2024 13:01:48 UTC No. 16309693
>>16309404
No more or less than if you don't want one. Needing to eat isn't conditioned on whether you do or don't; needing to eat in a school cafeteria is.
bodhi at Sun, 4 Aug 2024 13:10:11 UTC No. 16309700
Anonymous at Sun, 4 Aug 2024 16:08:12 UTC No. 16309865
>>16309693
I mean the same goes for forced socialization, it's impossible to accomplish anything in life without doing it
Anonymous at Mon, 5 Aug 2024 11:22:17 UTC No. 16310809
>>16309865
Not true. But even if it were, you don't need to accomplish anything to stay alive whereas you do need to eat.
Anonymous at Mon, 5 Aug 2024 11:29:27 UTC No. 16310816
>>16293029
>Every academic job application makes me write an essay about how much I love DEI
>>16293095
>have to include an entire section on how my research into nonthermal plasmas promotes racial diversity and raises awareness about the plight of women in the middle east or whatever
I refuse to believe this shit. Post pic or gtfo
Anonymous at Mon, 5 Aug 2024 17:42:44 UTC No. 16311120
>>16310809
Name one life accomplishment that doesn't involve forced socialization
Anonymous at Mon, 5 Aug 2024 17:43:50 UTC No. 16311122
>>16310816
look at literally any (American) job posting on mathjobs
Anonymous at Tue, 6 Aug 2024 01:26:05 UTC No. 16311644
>>16311120
Life accomplishments aren't germane to the discussion. They aren't relevant to eating, nor to cafeterias, nor to clubs, nor to DEI statements, nor to forced socialization, nor to academic jobs. A life accomplishment that doesn't involve forced socialization could be as banal as writing a poem and setting yourself on fire but it doesn't matter because it's a moot point.
Anonymous at Tue, 6 Aug 2024 01:43:57 UTC No. 16311660
>>16310816
>I refuse to believe this shit.
Look up "PIER plans" - all DoE and NSF applications for grants or runtime is now required to include an entire section in the proposal which, in their words:
>describes how applicants will promote diversity, equity, inclusion, and accessibility in their research project
These PIER plans are now considered an integral part of merit review by the DoE and NSF.
Anonymous at Tue, 6 Aug 2024 03:37:32 UTC No. 16311742
>>16311644
yeah I guess me bringing up random irrelevant crap in this thread about DEI statements was kinda dumb
Anonymous at Tue, 6 Aug 2024 12:43:04 UTC No. 16312129
>>16311742
Don't be so hard on yourself. The first point you brought up here >>16305986 was a valuable precursor to our insight on school cafeterias.
Anonymous at Tue, 6 Aug 2024 14:00:22 UTC No. 16312193
>>16293029
>and makes me want to kms
Retards will win if you do this.
Anonymous at Tue, 6 Aug 2024 21:07:03 UTC No. 16312615
>>16312129
The more I think about it, the more I realize "well thing X is bad but unrelated thing is bad too" was a flawed argument from the beginning
Anonymous at Wed, 7 Aug 2024 10:54:04 UTC No. 16313257
>>16312615
Exactly! I knew you'd figure out the difference.
Anonymous at Thu, 8 Aug 2024 12:05:57 UTC No. 16314943
>>16293029
>I believe that all people, man and woman, black and brown, gay and lesbian, have the same potential as straight Whites.
Anonymous at Thu, 8 Aug 2024 17:00:28 UTC No. 16315358
>>16299799
>That is just a cult with extra steps.
that's why they gave it the name "DEI" as in deity.
Anonymous at Fri, 9 Aug 2024 13:06:57 UTC No. 16316744
>>16314943
That's not equity.