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Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 10:19:15 UTC No. 16294518
>particles that aren't real are pushing the plates together
ok scientists are really retarded now, why don't they just admit they don't know what causes them to attract?
B00T at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 10:24:04 UTC No. 16294519
Fag
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 11:14:33 UTC No. 16294543
>>16294518
if it cant be used to make a perpetual motion machine of the 1st or 2nd kind i dont care
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 11:41:06 UTC No. 16294566
It's gravitons which work differently on a micro scale.
>ok scientists are really retarded now
Yes.
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 15:34:45 UTC No. 16294817
>>16294518
Virtual particles are like a math tool to see what the actual vacuum is doing. The vacuum energy outside the plates gives more pressure than the energy inside the plates. What causes them to attract is simply due to the quantum nature of the vacuum
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 15:56:09 UTC No. 16294837
>>16294518
Ever get the vibe the foundation of the casimir effect, is the same as the capacitor?
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 17:22:59 UTC No. 16294931
>>16294837
Yes, what you are hinting at is actually true. You can calculate the force between plates in a capacitor by summing up the energy in the electric field and finding how this changes as the distance between the plates changes.
Similarly the force due to the casimir effect is found by summing up the energy in the electromagnetic field and finding how this varies as the separation between the plates changes. The only difference is that in the casimir effect the conducting plates have no net charges so naively the electromagnetic field is zero, but it is actually non-zero due to quantum fluctuations. This is basically the same thing as the more prosaic Van der Waals force, where there is a long range interaction due to quantum fluctuations in neutrally charged molecules, but the connection is rarely made in pop science.
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 17:38:56 UTC No. 16294945
>>16294931
Interesting, i wonder than how to test a hypothesis that its all a casimir effect just at the macroscopic the randomness calncelz each out, until the applied voltage just increases the magnitude of each, or that high frequency impulses sync them all together
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 19:07:25 UTC No. 16295048
The Casmir Effect is proof that something CAN and DOES come from nothing, even today, it still happens.
Nothing splits into virtual particles which can be demonstrated pushing the two plates together in the experiment. Anybody with the correct apparatus can perform the same experiment and see for themselves even if there's nothing the nothing will turn into something and push the plates.
Sorry theists.
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 19:28:16 UTC No. 16295086
>>16295048
>The Casmir Effect is proof that something CAN and DOES come from nothing
No
Vacuum is still something
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 19:31:57 UTC No. 16295092
>>16295086
vacuum by definition is the absence of anything
Anonymous at Wed, 24 Jul 2024 19:32:47 UTC No. 16295094
>>16295092
Even fields?
Anonymous at Thu, 25 Jul 2024 03:34:15 UTC No. 16295582
>>16294518
same shit happens with 2 plates underwater.
its obviously the electromagnetic aether.
Anonymous at Thu, 25 Jul 2024 03:35:16 UTC No. 16295584
>>16295092
we have never observed a true vacuum then.
Anonymous at Thu, 25 Jul 2024 03:52:39 UTC No. 16295591
>>16294837
no, it's the same as the force pushing ships together if they do not keep their distance: both ships protect the other from waves on one side.
Anonymous at Thu, 25 Jul 2024 07:36:36 UTC No. 16295765
>>16294518
>why don't they just admit they don't know what causes them to attract?
but that's basically what it means:
We don't know what is really going on, but mathematically, the concept of "virtual particles" works and predicts the effects observed. We can't just reduce ourselves in size to the quantum world and take a photo for you of what's going on, you understand?
We thought up the math, it works. That's it.
What does it mean? We don't know, no one knows.
Anonymous at Thu, 25 Jul 2024 08:23:32 UTC No. 16295798
>>16295094
Fields are abstractions, not physical things, a vacuum describes an empty field.
Anonymous at Thu, 25 Jul 2024 09:12:17 UTC No. 16295833
>>16295798
>Fields are abstractions, not physical things
lol
Anonymous at Thu, 25 Jul 2024 09:20:44 UTC No. 16295836
>>16295833
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Field
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Anonymous at Thu, 25 Jul 2024 12:31:54 UTC No. 16295941
>>16295798
Wrong as hell, and also stupid. Go back to school.
Anonymous at Thu, 25 Jul 2024 12:36:31 UTC No. 16295948
>>16295092
Then why is space like a fabric? It is *something* we are *embedded* in.
Also, in a state of absolute nothing, that nothing becomes a one / a something.
Anonymous at Thu, 25 Jul 2024 14:15:38 UTC No. 16296025
>>16295582
If you were to look at the citations section do the DIA Threat Analysis papers from Eric Davis and Hal Puthoff, they have one interesting paper in common: "The Universe in a Droplet of Helium". Defense research agencies, particularly the Office of Naval Research, have pumped metric fucktons of money in the idea that Superfluid Vacuum Theory is real and that it indeed can be manipulated using real-world analogues. It's the crux of studies in "transformation optics".
Anonymous at Thu, 25 Jul 2024 14:24:01 UTC No. 16296029
>>16295765
Posts like this are so stupid
>I don't know, therefore no one has any deeper insight than me
>Don't I sound profound for saying this?
Read my post >>16294931 if you want some physical insight into the Casimir effect. It is basically the same thing as the Van der Waals force. And this is not some fringe idea. Real physicists understand this, and it is even appears on the Wiki page for the Casimir effect.
Anonymous at Thu, 25 Jul 2024 14:54:08 UTC No. 16296050
>>16296029
Wrong. Science cannot tell you why or explain anything, it can only describe something. Your "physical insight" is just math masturbation.
Anonymous at Thu, 25 Jul 2024 16:57:14 UTC No. 16296182
>>16295094
>le fields
imagine eating and shitting science jargon every day basis until you lack common sense.
a field, like electromagnetic field is photons and such. I guess this effect eventually is just another EM effect. our planet must be full of EM activity from heat and other radio sources.
Anonymous at Thu, 25 Jul 2024 17:04:21 UTC No. 16296188
https://phys.libretexts.org/Bookshe
parallel plate waveguide. frequencies inside the plates are cut below cutoff frequency that depends on the distance of plates 'a'.
now, what would happen if surrounding area can have all frequencies but the frequencies inside are only those with greater that cutoff frequency? One would guess there will be a force that results from the lower frequencies that still can exists OUTSIDE the parallel plates. quantum this imaginary field that. BULLSHIT. its just classical electromagnetism.
Anonymous at Thu, 25 Jul 2024 17:35:08 UTC No. 16296218
>>16296029
>I don't know, therefore no one has any deeper insight than me
It's just math anon.
>Don't I sound profound for saying this?
No, I don't. I said nothing profound. I sound and am baffled by it, like physicists are.