🧵 how many types of randomness exist?
Anonymous at Sat, 27 Jul 2024 13:50:44 UTC No. 16298897
why are we not yet evolved enough to study and catalog this?
Anonymous at Sat, 27 Jul 2024 13:55:40 UTC No. 16298903
only one, either it's random or it's not
Anonymous at Sat, 27 Jul 2024 14:00:21 UTC No. 16298909
>>16298903
see
Anonymous at Sat, 27 Jul 2024 19:31:29 UTC No. 16299308
>>16298897
none.
the entire universe is deterministic.
Anonymous at Sat, 27 Jul 2024 20:17:29 UTC No. 16299414
>>16298897
all of them.
the entire universe is stochastic.
Anonymous at Sat, 27 Jul 2024 20:25:26 UTC No. 16299438
Will you give three examples?
Anonymous at Sat, 27 Jul 2024 23:30:20 UTC No. 16299651
>>16298897
From a practical point of view:
1. Truly random: like the wave function collapse, impossible to know future outcomes.
2. Crypto-graphically secure pseudo random: lack of information about the system (I.E.: a key, a seed) prevents to make predictions of future outcomes.
3. Non secure pseudo random: It is possible to predict future outcomes, and it maybe trivial and fast to do it.
Anonymous at Sat, 27 Jul 2024 23:38:41 UTC No. 16299660
>>16299651
Fun fact: After casinos did a poor implementation of 3, losing lots of money in the process, they decided to skip 2 and went directly for 1 to generate true random numbers.
Anonymous at Sat, 27 Jul 2024 23:45:51 UTC No. 16299673
>>16298897
3.7
Anonymous at Sun, 28 Jul 2024 02:25:24 UTC No. 16299840
>>16298897
It’s not surprising, given that our species evolved to get out the rain, seek shelter, navigate the environment, etc., not to calculate odds to the tenth decimal place or ponder the true nature of the universe. We invented geometry long before probability because humans are notoriously retarded when it comes to discerning randomness from nonrandomness. It’s a tricky business: human beings are pattern-recognition and molecular self-replication machines, with Bayesian inference engines between the ears. If you see too many patterns, you’re schizophrenic; if you see too few, you’re retarded. We tend to look for patterns and notice them even when they’re not there to be noticed; see the various religions and superstitions for reference. Most people can’t psychologically accept randomness even if it was there because our brains can’t handle it. The unwashed masses either don’t care or they care just enough to be dangerous, which is why I’m all for the casino industry bilking these faggots for every penny they own. The best of us understand randomness to the extent they understand the underlying mathematical models; even then we can only approximate randomness, both in implementation and understanding thereof.
Anonymous at Sun, 28 Jul 2024 02:30:07 UTC No. 16299843
>>16299840
>If you see too many patterns, you’re schizophrenic
Eh, it's more about how well reasoned the connections are.
>I heard something in my head
>I think it's Space Satan beaming thoughts into my head
>Therefore Space Satan is beaming thoughts into my head
Anonymous at Sun, 28 Jul 2024 02:43:02 UTC No. 16299851
>>16299651
I like it.
Anonymous at Sun, 28 Jul 2024 08:59:08 UTC No. 16300119
>>16299438
>Bingo, randomness can happen between 1 and 75
>Roulette, randomness can happen between 1 and 38