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Anonymous No. 16298900

Thoughts on higher order Venn diagrams?

Anonymous No. 16298967

With the diagram with five different sections, if the difference of the surface areas of the biggest region and the smallest region was as small as possible, what would the diagram look like if it had to be constructed from five identical shapes?

Anonymous No. 16299051

>>16298967
Like a pentamerous rose blossom.

Anonymous No. 16299095

what about n dimensional venn diagrams

🗑️ Anonymous No. 16299253

>>16299095
For n sets, the number of non-empty subsets in their intersections are 2^n-1

Anonymous No. 16299256

For n sets, the number of non-empty subsets in their intersections is equivalent to 2^n-1

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Anonymous No. 16299262

>>16299095
Yes those are things. Don't know much of the math behind them though. I think they get studied in some very niche combinatrices circles.

Anonymous No. 16299276

>>16298900
They suck, just use a table if there are more than 3 groups

Anonymous No. 16299277

>>16299276
You can make all kinds of cool patterns out of them though. Who knew even logic has a geometry to it? It's all connected.

Anonymous No. 16299279

>>16299276
I feel like OP's question is more about the beauty of higher order Venn diagrams than their denigration.

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Anonymous No. 16299287

>>16299279
Euler diagrams are superior.

Anonymous No. 16299294

>>16299287
Euler diagrams are Venn diagrams.

Anonymous No. 16299295

>>16299294
Euler lived before Venn, retard.

Anonymous No. 16299300

>>16299295
Venn diagrams are Euler diagrams. Does the chronology matter to your pea brain and if so, how?

Anonymous No. 16299319

>>16299300
>>16299294
You just contradicted yourself, tard. But anyway, yeah technically Venn Diagrams could be considered a class of Euler diagrams but Venn Digrams have particular restrictions to them that Euler diagrams just don't. Even logical connectives don't behave equivalently between Venn diagrams and other Euler diagrams. The definition of a subset is basically implication but you wouldn't represented that with a Venn Diragram you would represent it with a Euler diagram like in pic above.

Anonymous No. 16299321

>>16299319
>Euler diagrams are Venn diagrams.
>Venn diagrams are Euler diagrams.
What a wonderful contradiction.

Anonymous No. 16299324

>>16299321
Not all Euler diagrams are Venn diagrams but all Venn Diagrams are Euler diagrams. They're not equivalent sets, fag face.

Anonymous No. 16299327

>itt math autists arguing over overlapping circles
Lol

Anonymous No. 16299328

>>16299324
And which are we talking about?

Anonymous No. 16299331

>>16299327
Overlapping circles are why your dad fucked your mom.

Anonymous No. 16299343

>>16299328
OP wants to talk about a particular class of Euler diagrams but that's too restrictive so we should expand the scope of the discussion to other types of diagrams.

Anonymous No. 16299345

>>16299343
Why should we do that?

Anonymous No. 16299349

>>16299345
Because Venn Diagrams have too many gay restrictions and don't represent the totality of how sets relate.

Anonymous No. 16299350

>>16299349
Such as?

Anonymous No. 16299360

>>16299350
Such as there must be exactly 2^n regions in a Venn diagram (if we include the universe outside of the curves)

Anonymous No. 16299368

>>16299360
Why is a simple power set relation worthy of your time?

Anonymous No. 16299374

>>16299368
Because Euler diagrams aren't necessarily restricted by that gay rule. You can represent more statements with Euler diagrams than with simple Venn Diagrams.

Anonymous No. 16299376

>>16299374
You aren't Karnaugh. Why do you care so much?

Anonymous No. 16299377

>>16299376
Because the less gay the better.

Anonymous No. 16299387

>>16299377
Maurice Karnaugh is no more or less gay than Neil Sloane. They were lovers. Stop describing things you hate in terms of sexuality.

Anonymous No. 16299394

>>16299387
I've never read a more retarded statement in my life. What can you expect from a homo though? Homos should not be allowed in math, faggot.

Anonymous No. 16299399

>>16299394
Are you doing damage control on the fact that Karnaugh and Sloane were lovers? If so, it's having the opposite effect.

Anonymous No. 16299403

>>16299399
You ad hoc made that shit up I've literally never heard that. You are just trying to infiltrate anything you can with faggotry. You won't corrupt math with your anal sex degeneracy.

Anonymous No. 16299421

>>16299276
Venn diagrams with similar figures are just interesting to think about in their own right.

>>16299319
Frankly, I believe this is a distinction invented by Wikipedia. I have never seen in any (older) reference that defines Euler diagrams as representing arbitrary configurations of sets as figures and Venn diagrams as special kinds of Euler diagrams. "Euler diagram" was something you'd find in German sources and "Venn diagram" in English sources.

DoctorGreen !DRgReeNusk No. 16299430

>>16299277
>Who knew even logic has a geometry to it?
anyone with half a brain

Anonymous No. 16299444

>>16299403
It's very well known that Karnaugh and Sloane were lovers. I have no idea if they still are but we have old polaroids.

Anonymous No. 16299459

>>16299430
Elaborate.

Anonymous No. 16299469

>>16299459
Read "Sheaves in geometry and logic".

Anonymous No. 16299471

>>16299469
Read ' I'm a fag, this book was made for me, I should kms', it ought do you good.

Anonymous No. 16299474

>>16299444
Sloane has a very small erection.

Anonymous No. 16299477

>>16299474
True.

Anonymous No. 16299480

>>16299471
Why are you so angry?

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Anonymous No. 16299482

>>16299471
all math autists are fag's. they like to pretend they're the smartest but actually physcisits are, math autists cant their abstraction into the real world whereas physicists can and actively do. like lol wtf do overlapping circles tell me about reality?

Anonymous No. 16299487

>>16299482
What's your obsession with overlapping circles? It could mean anything yet you impute a meaning that somehow transcends your obsession.

Anonymous No. 16299493

>>16299487
why are you asking me? you math autists are the ones obsessed with overlapping circles. come back when you can demonstrate something about the physical world through your elementary school drawings
>B-BUT LE ABSTRACTION
>insert logic symbols
nope doesn't tell me anything about the world

Anonymous No. 16299496

>>16299493
What's your obsession, speciffically, with overlapping circles?

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Anonymous No. 16299501

>>16299421
What about Venn diagrams that aren't completely symmetrical?

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Anonymous No. 16299554

>creatures
Why should the statue of being or not baing a "creature" change anything?

Anonymous No. 16299678

>>16299554
Because it defines what something is?

Anonymous No. 16299691

>>16299678
A paper airplane can fly. Is it a creature?

Anonymous No. 16299722

>>16299691
No. It's a cocktail.

Anonymous No. 16299725

>>16299722
That's an aviation lol. Not a paper airplane

Anonymous No. 16299729

>>16299691
I'm not really sure I understand what you're getting at? Paper airplanes wouldn't be a member of the set of creatures that can fly because it's not a creature in the first place, it doesn't satisfy the truth set.

Anonymous No. 16299730

>>16299725
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paper_plane_(cocktail)

Anonymous No. 16299734

>>16299730
Sounds like you're weirdly equivocating?

Anonymous No. 16299741

>>16299730
>created in 2008
So it's an unginned Negroni or essentailly a Boulevardier with amaro instead of carpano?

Anonymous No. 16299744

This is currently the most schizophrenic thread on this board right now.

Anonymous No. 16299747

Did I post that?

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Anonymous No. 16300455

>>16299744
Have you seen /sci/'s catalog? This is nothing compared to half the threads that are currently up.

Anonymous No. 16300457

>>16298900
Based Quinn

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Anonymous No. 16300488

>Logic thread
At this point I'm just plugging and chugging definitions. I don't even know what they mean anymore. Is this normal when learning formal logic especially once you get to the more advanced stuff?

Anonymous No. 16301512

>>16299287
Is that diagram implying that my coffee table is an animal since it has four legs?

Anonymous No. 16301562

>>16300488
>Is this normal
Pretty normal. It’s a different way of looking at mathematical language, and it takes some getting used to.

Anonymous No. 16301575

>>16299482
>whereas physicists can and actively do
No, they can't even prove points exist in the real world let alone atoms or strings.

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Anonymous No. 16301581

>>16301575
Anon I... https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.abg2533

Anonymous No. 16301606

>>16301581
Those aren't real atoms as they are not the smallest divisible unit of matter, they just renamed those things atoms for convenience.

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Anonymous No. 16301609

>>16301606
semantics

Anonymous No. 16301615

>>16301609
Yes, you should have been able to tell by the semantics when I was talking about points that I was describing the smallest divisible units, of which physics has never actually been able to actively prove there is any such thing despite continuously relying on those types of things for their calculations.

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Anonymous No. 16302505

Venn diagram with 11 sets
:)

Anonymous No. 16302522

>>16302505
It’s lovely. Can you minimize the difference between areas in a way that doesn’t look like a hendecamerous rose blossom?

Anonymous No. 16302637

>>16302505
This image hurts my eyes

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Anonymous No. 16302916

>>16298900
>Thoughts on higher order Venn diagrams?
neat, and practical

>>16299262
neat, but impractical

Anonymous No. 16303012

>>16302916
>neat, but impractical
That's most of math.

Anonymous No. 16303127

>>16298900
I don't believe in "aesitics" just cause you can draw a pretty picture using your math doesn't mean it's useful or interesting.

Anonymous No. 16303380

>>16303127
That's a Skill Issue on your part, ESL.

Anonymous No. 16303385

>>16300488
No, you have to create exercises for yourself and gain intuition else your are no better than a computer.

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Anonymous No. 16303398

>>16298900
I love to think about a lot of things in the context of a venn diagram, I love venn diagrams (those three circles right :D) because I'm diverse and sucked cock to get my position.
It's great that you've added some more circles to the venn diagrams (you know the three circles) because the solutions also look like what we need to do invest in a clean energy economy!

Anonymous No. 16305128

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