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Anonymous at Sat, 27 Jul 2024 13:54:58 UTC No. 16298900
Thoughts on higher order Venn diagrams?
Anonymous at Sat, 27 Jul 2024 14:44:19 UTC No. 16298967
With the diagram with five different sections, if the difference of the surface areas of the biggest region and the smallest region was as small as possible, what would the diagram look like if it had to be constructed from five identical shapes?
Anonymous at Sat, 27 Jul 2024 15:58:48 UTC No. 16299051
>>16298967
Like a pentamerous rose blossom.
Anonymous at Sat, 27 Jul 2024 16:29:12 UTC No. 16299095
what about n dimensional venn diagrams
🗑️ Anonymous at Sat, 27 Jul 2024 18:48:11 UTC No. 16299253
>>16299095
For n sets, the number of non-empty subsets in their intersections are 2^n-1
Anonymous at Sat, 27 Jul 2024 18:49:59 UTC No. 16299256
For n sets, the number of non-empty subsets in their intersections is equivalent to 2^n-1
Anonymous at Sat, 27 Jul 2024 18:54:29 UTC No. 16299262
>>16299095
Yes those are things. Don't know much of the math behind them though. I think they get studied in some very niche combinatrices circles.
Anonymous at Sat, 27 Jul 2024 19:06:32 UTC No. 16299276
>>16298900
They suck, just use a table if there are more than 3 groups
Anonymous at Sat, 27 Jul 2024 19:08:29 UTC No. 16299277
>>16299276
You can make all kinds of cool patterns out of them though. Who knew even logic has a geometry to it? It's all connected.
Anonymous at Sat, 27 Jul 2024 19:09:55 UTC No. 16299279
>>16299276
I feel like OP's question is more about the beauty of higher order Venn diagrams than their denigration.
Anonymous at Sat, 27 Jul 2024 19:14:59 UTC No. 16299287
>>16299279
Euler diagrams are superior.
Anonymous at Sat, 27 Jul 2024 19:24:05 UTC No. 16299294
>>16299287
Euler diagrams are Venn diagrams.
Anonymous at Sat, 27 Jul 2024 19:25:29 UTC No. 16299295
>>16299294
Euler lived before Venn, retard.
Anonymous at Sat, 27 Jul 2024 19:28:49 UTC No. 16299300
>>16299295
Venn diagrams are Euler diagrams. Does the chronology matter to your pea brain and if so, how?
Anonymous at Sat, 27 Jul 2024 19:40:38 UTC No. 16299319
>>16299300
>>16299294
You just contradicted yourself, tard. But anyway, yeah technically Venn Diagrams could be considered a class of Euler diagrams but Venn Digrams have particular restrictions to them that Euler diagrams just don't. Even logical connectives don't behave equivalently between Venn diagrams and other Euler diagrams. The definition of a subset is basically implication but you wouldn't represented that with a Venn Diragram you would represent it with a Euler diagram like in pic above.
Anonymous at Sat, 27 Jul 2024 19:42:03 UTC No. 16299321
>>16299319
>Euler diagrams are Venn diagrams.
>Venn diagrams are Euler diagrams.
What a wonderful contradiction.
Anonymous at Sat, 27 Jul 2024 19:43:49 UTC No. 16299324
>>16299321
Not all Euler diagrams are Venn diagrams but all Venn Diagrams are Euler diagrams. They're not equivalent sets, fag face.
Anonymous at Sat, 27 Jul 2024 19:45:27 UTC No. 16299327
>itt math autists arguing over overlapping circles
Lol
Anonymous at Sat, 27 Jul 2024 19:45:37 UTC No. 16299328
>>16299324
And which are we talking about?
Anonymous at Sat, 27 Jul 2024 19:46:41 UTC No. 16299331
>>16299327
Overlapping circles are why your dad fucked your mom.
Anonymous at Sat, 27 Jul 2024 19:50:24 UTC No. 16299343
>>16299328
OP wants to talk about a particular class of Euler diagrams but that's too restrictive so we should expand the scope of the discussion to other types of diagrams.
Anonymous at Sat, 27 Jul 2024 19:51:37 UTC No. 16299345
>>16299343
Why should we do that?
Anonymous at Sat, 27 Jul 2024 19:52:23 UTC No. 16299349
>>16299345
Because Venn Diagrams have too many gay restrictions and don't represent the totality of how sets relate.
Anonymous at Sat, 27 Jul 2024 19:52:48 UTC No. 16299350
>>16299349
Such as?
Anonymous at Sat, 27 Jul 2024 19:57:07 UTC No. 16299360
>>16299350
Such as there must be exactly 2^n regions in a Venn diagram (if we include the universe outside of the curves)
Anonymous at Sat, 27 Jul 2024 19:58:57 UTC No. 16299368
>>16299360
Why is a simple power set relation worthy of your time?
Anonymous at Sat, 27 Jul 2024 20:01:13 UTC No. 16299374
>>16299368
Because Euler diagrams aren't necessarily restricted by that gay rule. You can represent more statements with Euler diagrams than with simple Venn Diagrams.
Anonymous at Sat, 27 Jul 2024 20:03:59 UTC No. 16299376
>>16299374
You aren't Karnaugh. Why do you care so much?
Anonymous at Sat, 27 Jul 2024 20:04:52 UTC No. 16299377
>>16299376
Because the less gay the better.
Anonymous at Sat, 27 Jul 2024 20:09:00 UTC No. 16299387
>>16299377
Maurice Karnaugh is no more or less gay than Neil Sloane. They were lovers. Stop describing things you hate in terms of sexuality.
Anonymous at Sat, 27 Jul 2024 20:11:30 UTC No. 16299394
>>16299387
I've never read a more retarded statement in my life. What can you expect from a homo though? Homos should not be allowed in math, faggot.
Anonymous at Sat, 27 Jul 2024 20:13:20 UTC No. 16299399
>>16299394
Are you doing damage control on the fact that Karnaugh and Sloane were lovers? If so, it's having the opposite effect.
Anonymous at Sat, 27 Jul 2024 20:15:01 UTC No. 16299403
>>16299399
You ad hoc made that shit up I've literally never heard that. You are just trying to infiltrate anything you can with faggotry. You won't corrupt math with your anal sex degeneracy.
Anonymous at Sat, 27 Jul 2024 20:18:37 UTC No. 16299421
>>16299276
Venn diagrams with similar figures are just interesting to think about in their own right.
>>16299319
Frankly, I believe this is a distinction invented by Wikipedia. I have never seen in any (older) reference that defines Euler diagrams as representing arbitrary configurations of sets as figures and Venn diagrams as special kinds of Euler diagrams. "Euler diagram" was something you'd find in German sources and "Venn diagram" in English sources.
DoctorGreen !DRgReeNusk at Sat, 27 Jul 2024 20:21:15 UTC No. 16299430
>>16299277
>Who knew even logic has a geometry to it?
anyone with half a brain
Anonymous at Sat, 27 Jul 2024 20:29:28 UTC No. 16299444
>>16299403
It's very well known that Karnaugh and Sloane were lovers. I have no idea if they still are but we have old polaroids.
Anonymous at Sat, 27 Jul 2024 20:47:54 UTC No. 16299459
>>16299430
Elaborate.
Anonymous at Sat, 27 Jul 2024 20:54:01 UTC No. 16299469
>>16299459
Read "Sheaves in geometry and logic".
Anonymous at Sat, 27 Jul 2024 20:57:43 UTC No. 16299471
>>16299469
Read ' I'm a fag, this book was made for me, I should kms', it ought do you good.
Anonymous at Sat, 27 Jul 2024 20:59:25 UTC No. 16299474
>>16299444
Sloane has a very small erection.
Anonymous at Sat, 27 Jul 2024 21:01:02 UTC No. 16299477
>>16299474
True.
Anonymous at Sat, 27 Jul 2024 21:03:18 UTC No. 16299480
>>16299471
Why are you so angry?
Anonymous at Sat, 27 Jul 2024 21:06:49 UTC No. 16299482
>>16299471
all math autists are fag's. they like to pretend they're the smartest but actually physcisits are, math autists cant their abstraction into the real world whereas physicists can and actively do. like lol wtf do overlapping circles tell me about reality?
Anonymous at Sat, 27 Jul 2024 21:12:33 UTC No. 16299487
>>16299482
What's your obsession with overlapping circles? It could mean anything yet you impute a meaning that somehow transcends your obsession.
Anonymous at Sat, 27 Jul 2024 21:17:02 UTC No. 16299493
>>16299487
why are you asking me? you math autists are the ones obsessed with overlapping circles. come back when you can demonstrate something about the physical world through your elementary school drawings
>B-BUT LE ABSTRACTION
>insert logic symbols
nope doesn't tell me anything about the world
Anonymous at Sat, 27 Jul 2024 21:19:08 UTC No. 16299496
>>16299493
What's your obsession, speciffically, with overlapping circles?
Anonymous at Sat, 27 Jul 2024 21:24:22 UTC No. 16299501
>>16299421
What about Venn diagrams that aren't completely symmetrical?
Anonymous at Sat, 27 Jul 2024 23:50:43 UTC No. 16299678
>>16299554
Because it defines what something is?
Anonymous at Sat, 27 Jul 2024 23:58:36 UTC No. 16299691
>>16299678
A paper airplane can fly. Is it a creature?
Anonymous at Sun, 28 Jul 2024 00:28:11 UTC No. 16299722
>>16299691
No. It's a cocktail.
Anonymous at Sun, 28 Jul 2024 00:29:22 UTC No. 16299725
>>16299722
That's an aviation lol. Not a paper airplane
Anonymous at Sun, 28 Jul 2024 00:30:48 UTC No. 16299729
>>16299691
I'm not really sure I understand what you're getting at? Paper airplanes wouldn't be a member of the set of creatures that can fly because it's not a creature in the first place, it doesn't satisfy the truth set.
Anonymous at Sun, 28 Jul 2024 00:31:56 UTC No. 16299730
>>16299725
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paper
Anonymous at Sun, 28 Jul 2024 00:34:05 UTC No. 16299734
>>16299730
Sounds like you're weirdly equivocating?
Anonymous at Sun, 28 Jul 2024 00:38:32 UTC No. 16299741
>>16299730
>created in 2008
So it's an unginned Negroni or essentailly a Boulevardier with amaro instead of carpano?
Anonymous at Sun, 28 Jul 2024 00:40:32 UTC No. 16299744
This is currently the most schizophrenic thread on this board right now.
Anonymous at Sun, 28 Jul 2024 00:41:39 UTC No. 16299747
Did I post that?
Anonymous at Sun, 28 Jul 2024 15:21:12 UTC No. 16300455
>>16299744
Have you seen /sci/'s catalog? This is nothing compared to half the threads that are currently up.
Anonymous at Sun, 28 Jul 2024 15:22:42 UTC No. 16300457
>>16298900
Based Quinn
Anonymous at Sun, 28 Jul 2024 15:58:35 UTC No. 16300488
>Logic thread
At this point I'm just plugging and chugging definitions. I don't even know what they mean anymore. Is this normal when learning formal logic especially once you get to the more advanced stuff?
Anonymous at Mon, 29 Jul 2024 07:32:38 UTC No. 16301512
>>16299287
Is that diagram implying that my coffee table is an animal since it has four legs?
Anonymous at Mon, 29 Jul 2024 09:04:28 UTC No. 16301562
>>16300488
>Is this normal
Pretty normal. It’s a different way of looking at mathematical language, and it takes some getting used to.
Anonymous at Mon, 29 Jul 2024 09:23:51 UTC No. 16301575
>>16299482
>whereas physicists can and actively do
No, they can't even prove points exist in the real world let alone atoms or strings.
Anonymous at Mon, 29 Jul 2024 09:37:00 UTC No. 16301581
>>16301575
Anon I... https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126
Anonymous at Mon, 29 Jul 2024 10:01:37 UTC No. 16301606
>>16301581
Those aren't real atoms as they are not the smallest divisible unit of matter, they just renamed those things atoms for convenience.
Anonymous at Mon, 29 Jul 2024 10:03:42 UTC No. 16301609
>>16301606
semantics
Anonymous at Mon, 29 Jul 2024 10:16:20 UTC No. 16301615
>>16301609
Yes, you should have been able to tell by the semantics when I was talking about points that I was describing the smallest divisible units, of which physics has never actually been able to actively prove there is any such thing despite continuously relying on those types of things for their calculations.
Anonymous at Mon, 29 Jul 2024 22:35:57 UTC No. 16302522
>>16302505
It’s lovely. Can you minimize the difference between areas in a way that doesn’t look like a hendecamerous rose blossom?
Anonymous at Tue, 30 Jul 2024 00:46:50 UTC No. 16302637
>>16302505
This image hurts my eyes
Anonymous at Tue, 30 Jul 2024 07:12:34 UTC No. 16302916
>>16298900
>Thoughts on higher order Venn diagrams?
neat, and practical
>>16299262
neat, but impractical
Anonymous at Tue, 30 Jul 2024 09:44:46 UTC No. 16303012
>>16302916
>neat, but impractical
That's most of math.
Anonymous at Tue, 30 Jul 2024 11:43:16 UTC No. 16303127
>>16298900
I don't believe in "aesitics" just cause you can draw a pretty picture using your math doesn't mean it's useful or interesting.
Anonymous at Tue, 30 Jul 2024 15:26:43 UTC No. 16303380
>>16303127
That's a Skill Issue on your part, ESL.
Anonymous at Tue, 30 Jul 2024 15:33:12 UTC No. 16303385
>>16300488
No, you have to create exercises for yourself and gain intuition else your are no better than a computer.
Anonymous at Tue, 30 Jul 2024 15:59:49 UTC No. 16303398
>>16298900
I love to think about a lot of things in the context of a venn diagram, I love venn diagrams (those three circles right :D) because I'm diverse and sucked cock to get my position.
It's great that you've added some more circles to the venn diagrams (you know the three circles) because the solutions also look like what we need to do invest in a clean energy economy!
Anonymous at Wed, 31 Jul 2024 23:11:16 UTC No. 16305128
bump