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Anonymous at Mon, 29 Jul 2024 23:46:01 UTC No. 16302588
Why does the west refuse to appreciate go. Chess is overrated af! I've yet to find a scientific reason why humans play this meh game over the universal game of go.
Anonymous at Tue, 30 Jul 2024 00:06:46 UTC No. 16302605
>>16302588
Games are more fun when you have different types of pieces that move in different ways. Simple. As. Leave the (even more) autistic bean-counting to the soft asian boys.
Anonymous at Tue, 30 Jul 2024 00:23:32 UTC No. 16302617
>>16302605
you are right. The pieces and the look is such a factor. I also thought the needing to count to score the game at the end is hard for Americans
Anonymous at Tue, 30 Jul 2024 00:33:53 UTC No. 16302627
>>16302588
For one; chess is a rigid game of rules that can be reproduced and orchestrated...,
Anonymous at Tue, 30 Jul 2024 00:44:42 UTC No. 16302635
Because we have Othello.
Anonymous at Tue, 30 Jul 2024 00:47:11 UTC No. 16302638
>>16302635
othello is solved
Anonymous at Tue, 30 Jul 2024 00:50:52 UTC No. 16302640
>>16302588
I feel ya, bro.
I only heard from Go after a decade of chess. Thought „well, let’s try this“ and got addicted. Never looked back either, chess is fun and everything, but the simplicity and tactical possibilities of Go are just so damn awesome.
Plus you can play with EVERY person, even if you‘re up against a child you can just give him enough stones advantage and at some point you WILL lose or at least have a hell of a fight to win..
And also it translates much better to „real“ warfare than chess. Sometimes you think: „oh shit, do I help those poor dudes or launch a full scale attack?“
You can play defensively or sneaky, you can play for small territories or big territories, you can cut his troops off.. and laying traps is just such a huge topic. If you misread a situation and play too confidently, you might just loose your main army.
And much more.
Anonymous at Tue, 30 Jul 2024 00:56:52 UTC No. 16302642
>>16302588
Like all things, the masses are too stupid to get true greatness and they settle for mediocrity instead
Anonymous at Tue, 30 Jul 2024 00:58:53 UTC No. 16302644
>>16302638
>Othello is solved
That paper's in preprint, it's only solved up to 8x8, and who fucking cares when it isn't feasible to memorize perfect play for all scenarios?
Anonymous at Tue, 30 Jul 2024 01:21:56 UTC No. 16302657
Is there a good app for go in the same way there is for chess?
Anonymous at Tue, 30 Jul 2024 01:36:21 UTC No. 16302668
>>16302638
go is solved on 5x5
Anonymous at Tue, 30 Jul 2024 02:12:17 UTC No. 16302713
Anonymous at Tue, 30 Jul 2024 09:50:02 UTC No. 16303021
>>16302588
>Would I rather find brilliant tactics using a variety of pieces to outmaneuver my opponents in a couple of moves, or... slowly grind out a positional battle using nothing but pawns for 300 moves until I finally surround my opponents army and slaughter them en mass
No wonder ever Chinese war ends up with 10M+ casualties.
Anonymous at Tue, 30 Jul 2024 09:56:46 UTC No. 16303024
>>16302588
Another very relevant thread
Anonymous at Tue, 30 Jul 2024 10:00:25 UTC No. 16303025
>>16303021
Kek
Anonymous at Tue, 30 Jul 2024 10:31:40 UTC No. 16303044
>>16302588
I don't appreciate either. They're just dumb games
Anonymous at Tue, 30 Jul 2024 18:15:54 UTC No. 16303480
>>16302588
I play go somewhat regularly and am into it. The main problem for most people is Go is considerably more abstract than chess in the sense that most games like checkers, chess, Shogi, etc. are predominantly about piece capture where Go is about ascertaining territory (but you can still capture pieces towards points in Go). Also, the pieces in other "chess like" games are more relatable to the average person where black and white stones are much more "abstract". Also territory scoring somewhat varies depending on rules and other things like whether a specific string of stones is dead or alive is not always clear even to people who have played a dozen games or so. I think it's possible to get westerners in to go, but they have to want it and most people seem to just fall back to chess.
Anonymous at Tue, 30 Jul 2024 19:42:16 UTC No. 16303595
>>16302588
>Deterministic 1v1 game
Boring and not intellectually stimulating. I only play games where luck, shitty teammates, and physical skill play a role in victory. Go, chess, and checkers are all the same in the sense that you memorize a few key ideas and try your best to look 10 moves ahead. If you're good enough to make money at it, good for you, but I find it hard to justify dedicating so much timeXenergy to a trivial pursuit. Maybe try the stock market if you're so smart?
Anonymous at Tue, 30 Jul 2024 19:58:36 UTC No. 16303610
>>16302588
Because people don't call it weiqi. I maintain that with that name it'd have been more popular.
Anonymous at Tue, 30 Jul 2024 20:12:07 UTC No. 16303632
>>16302588
>Chess is overrated af!
no it isn't
go being said to be better than chess is pure jap cope
chess is the best game
Anonymous at Tue, 30 Jul 2024 20:16:26 UTC No. 16303641
>>16303632
That and most japs who actually care about the issue would prefer shogi instead.
Anonymous at Wed, 31 Jul 2024 03:12:57 UTC No. 16304136
>>16302605
>chess
>literally from pajeet land
Anonymous at Wed, 31 Jul 2024 03:14:29 UTC No. 16304139
>>16303641
Shogi is objectively superior, unfortunately only japanese boomers drinking green tea and whining about good luck charms not working will take it seriously
Anonymous at Wed, 31 Jul 2024 04:23:56 UTC No. 16304185
>>16302588
There's a lot of reasons OP.
Games take too long, especially when people know what they are doing.
The pieces are pretty boring.Unless you're a big fan of looking at raw data and understanding the beauty of the pieces slowly filling up the board it's hard to really sit and watch compared to chess that has Knights and castles and kings and queens and the pieces fall down and there's a cool clock people speed run games on in the park. Go just doesn't have that flair to it.
Anonymous at Wed, 31 Jul 2024 10:19:55 UTC No. 16304480
>>16302588
requires high IQ to really appreciate the abstraction and moves; the bar for entry is just lower with chess so it's easier to get into and you're much more quickly rewarded for getting better.
Anonymous at Wed, 31 Jul 2024 11:17:50 UTC No. 16304510
>>16302588
Why does Go need to be appreciated by other cultures? If it's popular by its own people, then great. Do you need attention from other people?
Anonymous at Wed, 31 Jul 2024 13:26:20 UTC No. 16304596
My buddy is a network topology guy who is obsessed with go. He says chess too smart for him.
Anonymous at Wed, 31 Jul 2024 13:34:59 UTC No. 16304606
>>16302588
Only reason is cultural inertia. No one plays it in the West, and no one will play it going forward because video games and porn exist. Also chess.
I agree it's objectively far superior to chess. Shogi too.
Anonymous at Wed, 31 Jul 2024 21:04:12 UTC No. 16304995
>>16303595
>saar this is /sci/, go take league of legends fanfic to /v/
>saar do not redeem the loot boxes saar
Anonymous at Thu, 1 Aug 2024 20:04:44 UTC No. 16306161
>>16304606
Nobody plays it in the east either. Go's hayday was like 300-400 years ago.
Anonymous at Fri, 2 Aug 2024 13:46:16 UTC No. 16307040
I'm Korean and I do play go, but to actually get good at go you need to spend thousands of hours. If you're a noob playing against other noobs it'll be very boring.
Anonymous at Fri, 2 Aug 2024 14:00:01 UTC No. 16307058
>>16302588
Its too abstract in goals and strategy. Chess is more mechanistic and straightforward.
Anonymous at Fri, 2 Aug 2024 18:40:10 UTC No. 16307407
>>16307058
The goal is very simple. You surround more area on the board with your pieces and you win. Equivalently, it's a game where two players take turns placing pieces on the board and the player who can place more pieces, wins.
Anonymous at Fri, 2 Aug 2024 18:45:47 UTC No. 16307413
>>16307407
Its "simple" in that you surround it. But on a 19x19, the scale is endless to the point that there's no direction or scope. And people dont generally try to do 1v1 in a 3x3 arena right from the get go. The manageable scope only comes into play at the end game, before that its all big abstract plays.
Anonymous at Fri, 2 Aug 2024 23:41:48 UTC No. 16307795
>>16302588
In Asia, Go is mostly played by old people now. Japanese prefer Shoji and China has their own chess style game. Unfortunately Go is never going to become even remotely popular in the West aside from an aesthetic prop to put in movies. https://forums.online-go.com/t/play
Also, not related to math and science.
Anonymous at Sat, 3 Aug 2024 00:24:58 UTC No. 16307825
>>16302588
Just play whatever you want.
Anonymous at Sat, 3 Aug 2024 04:41:29 UTC No. 16308092
>>16302588
I love Go, but most people can't even appreciate Chess. Go is too lofty for them.
>>16302605
>t. can't play Go for shit
Anonymous at Sat, 3 Aug 2024 04:43:19 UTC No. 16308093
>>16303595
>t. can't play Go for shit
It's your confidence which makes it so obvious you don't know a damn thing, fuckwad.
Anonymous at Sat, 3 Aug 2024 04:44:20 UTC No. 16308096
>>16304480
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