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🗑️ 🧵 Yale scientists say CO2 is making the planet healthier

Anonymous No. 16302872

Additional CO2 is making the planet greener and causing formerly barren wastelands to flourish with new life

https://e360.yale.edu/features/greening-drylands-carbon-dioxide-climate-change

>Despite warnings that climate change would create widespread desertification, many drylands are getting greener because of increased CO2 in the air — a trend that recent studies indicate will continue.

>Climate scientists and ecologists alike have until recently presumed that the combination of growing meteorological aridity and pressure from human activities would lead to less vegetation. They have routinely warned of widespread desertification, which U.N. officials have called “the greatest environmental challenge of our time.”
>Yet in most drylands, this anticipated desertification has not happened. Rather than shriveling and dying, vegetation is usually growing faster and expanding its terrain, while deserts are retreating. This, researchers of the world’s carbon and water cycles say, is largely due to the extra CO2 in the atmosphere.

Anonymous No. 16302884

>>16302872
Desertification is no Bueno, but it's really wet bulb events that are gonna fuck us deep thanks to global warming.

Anonymous No. 16302885

>>16302872
Oh cool, it's the same anon paid by oil companies to shill carbon emissions as positive.

Anonymous No. 16302886

>>16302872
>is making the planet greener
There was a entire thread on this subject in which the ecological consequences of that phenomenon were explained.
Fundamentally, what uis happening is that quick-growing, short-lifetime plant species, which adapt and "move" quickly, such as weeds and shrubbery, are shifting into new areas quickly, but trees, especially big, long-lived trees, are not.
It means entire habitats are going extinct and being replenished with invase species. It's not a good thing, from an ecological point of view.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNLJJf89Jfs

Anonymous No. 16302889

>>16302872
Green Energy is just an Israeli backed plot to overthrow Saudi oil hegemony and then they can start a war and take over the entire Middle East once their influence over the US is dampened.

Not /sci/ but everything is political these days.

Anonymous No. 16302900

Based Yale.

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Anonymous No. 16302987

>>16302872
global warming bros…how do we cope?

Anonymous No. 16302989

>>16302886
There is no such thing as "good" or "bad" from an "ecological point of view". "Invasive species" do not even exist; unless all living things are "invasive". Nothing has ever evolved in situ except for the very first living organism that arose on the primordial Earth.

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Anonymous No. 16302992

>>16302989
'No, name, what you did is actually happening right now'

Anonymous No. 16302994

>>16302992
I'm coming at them if the red.and.the.wall link, with the right mode

This is strong trust me. Possibly will win here

Anonymous No. 16303072

>>16302989
Yep. But this sort of thinking can't be used to justify infringing people's rights; so will be ignored.

Anonymous No. 16303339

>>16302987
Same thing they've always done: say the world will end in 5 years if we don't raise taxes, demand bigger socialist/communist government, and give away our rights.

Anonymous No. 16303406

>>16302989
every climate cultist believes humans are inherently an invasive species who should be made extinct as soon as possible

Anonymous No. 16303454

>>16302989
This, there's just transient state and steady state. Everything else is mostly people taking pictures and screaming.

Anonymous No. 16304051

>>16302989
>except for the very first living organism that arose on the primordial Earth.
abiogenesis has been proved to be impossible

Anonymous No. 16304068

Canada knows that in 100 years the former boreal forests will be transitioning to temperate forests while the tundra becomes a grass land. That's why they're importing manpower to prepare for that incoming reality.

Most of the land in the northern hemisphere is uninhabited remote areas north of the 55th parallel in both canada and asia.

Sadly, or maybe fortunately, Russia has it's eyes to the past so instead of preparing for this eventuality they are trying to recreate the glory of 300 years ago.

Anonymous No. 16304209

>>16302989
True, but then the trees ded and replaced with boring grass
Muh trees anon, F

Anonymous No. 16304227

>>16302872
that's a beautiful landscape
also great news

Anonymous No. 16304857

>>16302989
>There is no such thing as "good" or "bad" from an "ecological point of view".
Yes, agreed, thank you. It's bad for us humans, are losing natural value with each species that goes extinct.

Anonymous No. 16305188

>>16304857
name three species that have gone extinct in the past 50 years

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Anonymous No. 16305506

>>16303406
i am in favor of human extinction and that is why i participate fully in the consumer economy. it is the best way to guarantee humanity's destruction

Anonymous No. 16305961

Astroturf thread.

Anonymous No. 16306583

>>16305188
There are no species that are known to have gone extinct in the past 50 years

🗑️ Anonymous No. 16307562

>>16306583
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7W33HRc1A6c

🗑️ Anonymous No. 16307612

>>16305961
>ITS A CONSPIRACY!!!
https://www.healthcentral.com/condition/schizophrenia/paranoid-schizophrenia

Anonymous No. 16307701

>>16302885
Adding CO2 to the atmosphere is good for nature and good for all life on Earth. Why does that upset you so badly?

Anonymous No. 16308427

>>16304068
Retard.

Anonymous No. 16308793

CO2 is returning life to arid regions and before long the only barren, lifeless parts of Earth left will be the urban zones where all the environmentalists choose to live because they hate and fear nature.

Anonymous No. 16308799

>>16305188
https://therevelator.org/species-extinct-2022/

24 were declared extinct in 2022 alone.

Anonymous No. 16308806

>>16307701
Carbon dioxide (CO2) is a greenhouse gas that absorbs and radiates heat, and human activities have increased the amount of CO2 in the atmosphere by 50% in less than 200 years. This increase is causing the Earth to warm, which is known as climate change and has many consequences, including:
Melting ice
Rising sea levels
Changing weather patterns
More drought and hurricanes
Ocean acidification
Disrupted plant and crop growth
CO2 also has health effects, including:
Headaches
Dizziness
Restlessness
Tingling or pins and needles feeling
Difficulty breathing
Sweating
Tiredness
Increased heart rate
Elevated blood pressure
Coma, asphyxia, and convulsions
Rapid breathing
Confusion
Increased cardiac output
Increased arrhythmias
Death by suffocation

Anonymous No. 16308845

>>16308799
>/therevelator.org
thats a fake news site
lmao that you can't find a legitimate source to back up your claims, you're pretty much admitting your claims are false by relying exclusively on fake news sites to justify them

Anonymous No. 16308929

>>16308806
Just plant more trees

Anonymous No. 16308998

>>16308799
>https://therevelator.org/species-extinct-2022/
>“dark extinction,”

Anonymous No. 16309183

>>16308929
Trees are carbon neutral over their lifetime

Anonymous No. 16309282

>>16308806
>Carbon dioxide (CO2) is a greenhouse gas that absorbs and radiates heat
If CO2 is a greenhouse gas then how come Mars has no measurable greenhouse effect? Mars has over 3000% more CO2 per unit surface area in it's atmosphere than Earth does, so Mars should have a massive greenhouse effect if CO2 were really a greenhouse gas, yet Mars has no measurable greenhouse effect at all

Anonymous No. 16309361

>>16309282
it does. mars used to be green

Anonymous No. 16309425

>>16309282
>how come Mars has no measurable greenhouse effect?
It does. Who told you otherwise?

Anonymous No. 16309665

>>16302872
>be scientist
>all scientists be literally retarded mongoloids
>accidently say something obviously true
>be praised endlessly by online chuds
What an incredibly easy field just in general.

Anonymous No. 16309668

>>16302884
>repeats buzzwords mindlessly

Anonymous No. 16309829

>>16309425
>be mars
>have runaway greenhouse effect destroying all green
>surface temp -65C
Can you tell me what doesn't add up here please?

Anonymous No. 16309830

>>16309829
it used to be -220C

Anonymous No. 16309847

greener =/= healthier
Also this is just one ecosystem. Climate change has clearly made every ecosystem on the planet water stressed.

Anonymous No. 16309851

>>16302936
Conservatards automatically parrot greener = good because clearly it has to be better right? Sure, the forests are receding and being replaced with scrubland, sure human agriculture is getting fucked by drought, sure all the wetlands are drying up and sea level rising, but the sahara (the least useful place on the planet) is getting greener, SURELY that's good right?

If you faggots care so much why don't you move to the sahara and live there if you think this is such a great thing?

Anonymous No. 16309885

>>16309830
And there was greenery at -220C?

Anonymous No. 16309894

>>16309885
yes

Anonymous No. 16309914

Climate change is bad, period. Greening might look good but it is actually bad, because it is a result of climate change.

Anonymous No. 16309925

>>16309894
Interesting.
What plants have biological functions that work below the freezing point?
I want to learn about space and science.

Anonymous No. 16309934

>>16309851
If you think CO2 is truly going to doom humanity and Earth why don't you just live in a forest as a hermit with no electricity or gas stoves or central heating?

Anonymous No. 16309939

>>16309851
Plymouth rock is exactly where it was when they landed.
There is no evidence whatsoever of sea level rise in recent times and ocean front property keeps mooning. So all the people with money seem to think it will still be there. Coincidentally the same people telling you to be super poor and own nothing to stop it from happening.

Anonymous No. 16309945

>>16302872
but jesus won't come back until we've cut down all the trees
this is the wrong direction

Anonymous No. 16310105

>>16308929
We would need to plant a forest the size of the country of China, then bury it and replant it, in order to counteract how much CO2 we put in the atmosphere each year. Every single year. One trillion trees planted year after year until the sun explodes. A China of trees. Every fucking year.

I think you people don't realize just how bad the problem is. America alone burns through about 1 Lake Utah of oil each year. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utah_Lake
In 100 years, the US, just the US has burned through an entire Lake Tahoe of oil.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lake_Tahoe

Anonymous No. 16310108

>>16310105
jesus fuck a Lake Tahoe is a lot, that thing is A. big and B. deep

Anonymous No. 16310110

>>16310105
OMG
I better give all my money to the government.

Anonymous No. 16310136

>>16310105
why would we need to bury it? do trees only breathe in CO2 in the first year of their life?

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Anonymous No. 16310244

>>16310105
Adding CO2 to the atmosphere is making nature healthier and more productive, why would you want to counteract that? Do you hate nature?

Anonymous No. 16310267

>>16310136
Trees are carbon neutral. If you don't bury them then all the carbon they store gets released. Amending agricultural soil with biochar is better than burying wood.

Anonymous No. 16310274

>>16310267
no it doesn't. you've never gone outside your urban shithole, thats why you have no idea how nature works

Anonymous No. 16310356

>trees and all other organic matter decays to individual molecules the moment they die
but also
>you can't burn fossil fuels, that carbon has been stored as dead organic matter for hundreds of millions of years

Anonymous No. 16310368

Is it true that we live in an ice age?

Anonymous No. 16310387

>>16302872
If those in power were so concerned with the climate they would be taking meaningful action that helps mitigate it.
Are there huge campaigns initiated to help plant as many trees as possible? Nope. Not like it's super expensive either.
Are they fiercely cracking down on the number one contributor of such pollution, the world shipping industry? Nope.
Do they investigate data manipulation and the urban island effect and how it may skew perspective? Nope.
Have they questioned how the data tracking used for the current model is based off the time period immediately following the "mini-ice-age" while ignoring the single most prosperous period in human history that immediately preceded it, "the medieval warming period"? Nope.
Have they checked the climate cycles going even further back to the early Holocene and late Pleistocene to see how much deviation exists and juxtapose that to today? Nope.
Have they investigated new proposed innovations to check their validity, such as Malcom Bendall's Thunderstorm Generator, which can turn the CO2 output of motors/engines/more into pure O2, making cars mobile oxygen factories or forests? Nope!
A link for those unfamiliar for an interesting rabbit hole. He's made it opensource so people can build it and test it themselves, too:

https://youtu.be/Icew8R-VWSY

The answer is always nope because this isn't about climate it's about energy and having a monopoly on it --- as it always is.

Anonymous No. 16310410

>>16310274
You might not have been to the west coast recently, but if you had you would realize that trees burn, and burning trees release their stored carbon into the atmosphere.

Anonymous No. 16310412

>>16310410
not him but those burning trees are also a direct result of defunding deforestation and controlled burn initiative meant to prevent such out of control fires. not that they'll ever admit the obvious.

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Anonymous No. 16310415

>>16310410
"""wild""" fires are caused by ecoterrorists.

Anonymous No. 16310858

>>16310274
>He doesn't understand conservation of mass
Where does the carbon go, moron? You think trees magically send it to another universe?

>>16310356
What conditions were required to form fossil fuels? How prevalent are those conditions today? You can use critical thinking to analyze an idea. Try it out.

Anonymous No. 16311141

>>16302884
>wet bulb
Meme buzzword. Nobody is forcing you to live in the asscrack of a swamp

Anonymous No. 16311306

>>16302872
explain venus

Anonymous No. 16311313

>>16311306
What do you want explained? Venus isn't Earth, dude. Trying to compare the two if just plain silly.

Anonymous No. 16311352

>>16308929
You don't have to because they'll grow by themselves thanks to all the CO2

Anonymous No. 16311378

>>16307701
Ocean Acidification, shill.

Anonymous No. 16311380

>>16309829
>>have runaway greenhouse effect destroying all green
Where is that claimed. troll?

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Anonymous No. 16311384

Jesus Christ this thread.

Anonymous No. 16311409

>>16311378
Ocean salinity levels are self balancing

Anonymous No. 16311422

>>16311409
Retard.

Anonymous No. 16311427

>>16311422
>remains constant over centuries
>annual cycle that rebalances salinity
>retard
Yes, you are.

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Anonymous No. 16311429

>>16311384
Just because you mindlessly listen to what you're told like a good NPC, doesn't mean everyone else acts the same way.
There's a veritable mountain of data available to show the climate hysteria is overblown nonsense fueled by ulterior motives.

It's only made all the more clear by buzzwords like "climate change." You mean a dynamic system has variables that change? Who would have thought?
None of the hysteria, or even the changes for that matter, reflect the doomsday scenario they proselytize daily like liturgy.

It's not even like it's anything new either. This has been the case for decades at this point.
If you actually cared and were so passionate about the topic, you would recognize that the solutions they're implementing are ecological disasters that only exacerbate the problem; they do little to nothing to fix it. Instead, you just let others do the thinking for you and then piggy-back off what they say to feel like you fit-in.
Go watch TV or whatever trendy fun consumer distraction you're into and wait to be told what to think next.

Anonymous No. 16311430

>>16311427
Schizophrenic retard.

Anonymous No. 16311431

>>16311429
>There's a veritable mountain of data available to show the climate hysteria is overblown nonsense fueled by ulterior motives.
Post it.

Anonymous No. 16311454

>>16311431
I'm not your personal assistant nor a tool for your convenience.
If you're actually interested — instead of the usual internet struggle sessions by losers looking for attention — then you'd be capable of finding it yourself or following up on things mentioned even in places like this. You have the entire breadth of human knowledge at your disposal; use it.
I'm not your therapist or an outlet for your misery. I'd rather spend my time more productively.

>inb4 u has duh nothing as i thot hur dur
Don't shift your own laziness and ignorance onto others just for a dopamine hit online. I don't view us as equals so I have no interest in indulging your conflict addiction.

Anonymous No. 16311530

>>16302885
>It is a conspiracy!
>And since I "called it out" I am not obliged to prove anything.
>Now you have to pay more taxes so that I get more paid. I deserve a payrise.

Anonymous No. 16311652

>>16311430
You have nothing to stand behind. The world stays in balance. The ocean cycles its salinity. All water is recycled and used again. Excess CO2 creates excess trees creates excess O2 creates excess forest fires creates excess C02 creates excess trees etc. The world is in balance.

🗑️ Anonymous No. 16313005

>>16310244
As Carbon Dioxide Grows More Abundant, Trees Are Growing Bigger, Study Finds
https://e360.yale.edu/digest/carbon-dioxide-climate-change-bigger-trees
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-022-33196-x
Trees are feasting on decades of carbon dioxide emissions and growing bigger as a result, according to a new study of U.S. forests.

Scientists tracked wood volume in 10 different tree groups from 1997 to 2017, finding that all except aspen-birch grew larger. Over that same period, carbon dioxide levels went from 363 parts per million to 405 parts per million, owing largely to the burning of fossil fuels. More abundant CO2 accelerates photosynthesis, causing plants to grow faster, a phenomenon known as “carbon fertilization.” The findings were published in the journal Nature Communications.

The study suggests that even as warming threatens forests by fueling drought, insect infestations, and wildfires, rising CO2 levels mean that tree-planting is an increasingly cost-effective method of fighting climate change, as the same number of trees can sequester more carbon, said Brent Sohngen, an environmental scientist at Ohio State University and coauthor of the study.

“While we’re putting billions of tons of carbon dioxide into the atmosphere, we’re actually taking much of it out just by letting our forests grow,” Sohngen said in a statement. “We should be planting more trees and preserving older ones, because at the end of the day they’re probably our best bet for mitigating climate change.”

🗑️ Anonymous No. 16313010

>>16302872
that sounds like more carbon. carbon is bad.
https://www.bitchute.com/video/jyPwh4Xaaihj

Anonymous No. 16313062

>>16311454
Burden of proof is on you. Share your secret knowledge with the class.

🗑️ Anonymous No. 16313156

>>16313005
based CO2 making plants healthier

Anonymous No. 16314228

>>16313062
called it. just another nerd looking to fight on the internet.

Anonymous No. 16314293

>>16314228
Called it. Just another retard making unfounded claims on the internet.

🗑️ Anonymous No. 16314483

>>16313156
>based CO2 making plants healthier
Thats one of the great things about adding CO2 to the atmosphere thats never discussed. Everyone knows that CO2 makes plants grow faster and larger, but the fact that the plants immune systems also become stronger is rarely discussed. Of course its bad news if you're a plant pathogen or a creature that depends on plant pathogens to survive.

Anonymous No. 16314507

>>16310387
The government only cares about power. Whether climate change is true or not, its a useful political tool to expand government power.
> number one contributor of such pollution, the world shipping industry
Shipping is not even close to the number one source of c02. You are mixing up c02 with other pollutants.

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Anonymous No. 16314582

>>16314507
It always has been a tool for power.

I think people would be shocked if they learned just how many innovations get "classified" with no publicly given logical reason, other than "National Security." Keep in mind, in this context, economic damage to the US would fall under the category of "National Security."
Inventors have come forth stating to have created things that could help solve "energy problems," only to be hit with a secrecy order by the government.

The patent office has no problem designating inventions as "State Secrets" if they feel it will impact huge corporations or the economy.

We can all thank the "Invention Secrecy Act of 1951" for that lovely gem.

To put things into perspective, the "Federation of American Scientists" have been fighting to have this act reviewed, saying it's being overused at an alarming rate.
In 2023 alone, there were no fewer than 5,321 inventions his with secrecy orders. That's in one year alone.
See here:
https://fas.org/publication/invention-cir/

As for shipping, it's a primary contributors, along with aviation, that's more directly tied to the highest levels of power than consumer transport. Putting restrictions on them would immediately effect their own economic interests, which they would never allow.

Either way, the overall point is there are truly countless steps that could be taken if there was an imminent "crisis" of concern regarding the climate.
Their crusade against oil isn't about the "climate." It strangles in the crib developing country's economy, forbidding them from growing in the same way we were able to enjoy. It gives them a monopoly on energy and strengthens their power.
Meanwhile, oil will still be used with rapacious glee to develop consumer products. How do people think plastics are made? They're made from oil so why is it there's seldom a mention of it?

You nailed it, though. It's about expanding power and nothing more than a tool that preys on people's desire to do good.

Anonymous No. 16314629

>>16309925
Mars is less massive than earth by a fair amount and is no longer geologically active, so it's magnetic field is effectively dead too. I theorize that the bulk of its mass, at least at or near the crust has a fair amount of carbon dioxide stored in it. Before the magnetic field died the atmosphere on Mars benefitted from the high CO2 concentration to compensate for Mars's greater distance from the sun and keep it warm enough to support water based life. When the geological activity on Mars expired and the magnetic field died the solar wind swept the original atmosphere away either directly or through destabilizing it and caused the temperatures to plummet to their now former temperature of -220. C02 continues to leak out of the planet and slowly builds up to what we see today.

Anonymous No. 16315326

>>16314629
>>16314582
>>16314507
>>16314483
Retard takes.

Anonymous No. 16316169

>>16314483
I best the pesticide/fungicide industry is worried about this

Anonymous No. 16316173

>>16315326
imagine simping for corrupt politicians and corporate elites and then calling others a retard.
this world is wild at times.

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🗑️ Anonymous No. 16317349

>>16316173
People who have fantasies which revolve around imagining themselves as powerful politicians have a tendency to sympathize with and admire politicians.

Anonymous No. 16317375

>>16317349
Seems like you're the one doing the imagining and don't even realize it.

Anonymous No. 16317381

>>16317349
This, but they are actually a guy waiting in a breadline.

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🗑️ Anonymous No. 16318113

>>16317349
>a tendency to sympathize with and admire politicians.

Anonymous No. 16318120

>>16302884
you are retarded, wet bulb temperatures don't exist
it's never both raining/foggy and over 36 degrees, since the heat gets rid of the water and it's only rainy or foggy when it's cold, you fell for propaganda like an idiot

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Anonymous No. 16318121

>>16302885
>he only trusts the science when it agrees with his misanthropy and need for more government

Anonymous No. 16318123

>>16318120
lol

Anonymous No. 16318125

>>16302886
>areas without trees are filling with shrubs
OH THE HUMANITY
not those poor semi-arid deserts

🗑️ Anonymous No. 16319560

>>16302886
>what is evolution

🗑️ Anonymous No. 16320453

>REEEEEEEEEE
>NATURE IS HEALTHIER THAN EVER BEFORE
>THAT MAKES ME SO ANGRY!!!!
>t. environmentalist
why are they all like that?

Anonymous No. 16320466

>>16302884
W E T B U L B E V E N T
the plants and bugs are retaking the planet faggot
dont fuck it up!

Anonymous No. 16320468

>>16302886
we got a plant racist over here

Anonymous No. 16320472

>>16320466
>>16318120
>Imagine being this retarded

🗑️ Anonymous No. 16321713

>>16320466
why do environmentalists hate nature?

Anonymous No. 16323513

>>16302872
it says drylands, not deserts

🗑️ Anonymous No. 16324221

>>16323513
deserts are drylands

Anonymous No. 16324224

>>16321713
I think they simply like the social image that's afforded to them by seeming like they care about it, more than they actually like nature itself.

That image obsession is extremely easy to exploit, which is exactly why we see in many facets of modern society.

Anonymous No. 16324225

>>16324224
>I think they simply like the social image that's afforded to them by seeming like they care about it, more than they actually like nature itself.
>That image obsession is extremely easy to exploit, which is exactly why we see in many facets of modern society.
That's why I buy beef to save the world. I'm a free thinker unlike those environmentalists.

Anonymous No. 16324226

>>16324224
Are you an Eikon? (Not an NPC but a type of real thing for other real things)

Anonymous No. 16324228

>>16324221
Deserts are drylands, but drylands aren't deserts.

Anonymous No. 16324372

>>16310244
based and Joshpilled

Anonymous No. 16324406

>>16324225
It's funny how offended you get and how you quickly take it so personally, to the point of needing to put words in other people's mouth to justify yourself.
It's insight into your insecurity and the same image obsession mentioned. Even when blessed with anonymity you can't seem to help it.

>>16324226
I'm not familiar with the term. Closest I can think of would be gnostic idea of Archons?
As far as I know, I'm just a regular human, with all the accompanying flaws and features. I try to be introspective and aware of those attributes, too.

Anonymous No. 16324436

>>16302884
>wet bulb

New npc buzzphrase

Anonymous No. 16324442

>>16309851
>human agriculture is getting fucked by drought

Where?

Anonymous No. 16324445

Climate alarmists will be ignored.

Completely, totally.

This entire civilization, every power structure, runs on something known as "hydraulic despotism". But instead of water, its oil.

There is a reason nuclear is suppressed, it goes against absolutely massive political interests that are running this planet. They are not subject to democracy either. Nothing you believe matters about this. The oil will flow, until this civilization collapses.

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🗑️ Anonymous No. 16324447

>>16324445
>The oil will flow, until this civilization collapses.

Anonymous No. 16324462

>>16324445
>>16324447
Isn't it a pretty funny coincidence that oil prices have steadily increased directly along side fuel economy in cars?
Almost like there's economic reasons used to inhibit fuel efficiency.....

It's also interesting that the middle-east has gained immeasurable wealth through oil, and by switching to "green" alternatives with less efficiency as a standard, Western powers will have a near monopoly on energy, which would cripple the middle-east and weaken their position, bargaining power, and the use for oil?
I wonder who the primary beneficiaries of such a situation would be globally? I also wonder who would face an economic disaster as a result, too?

Anyone who thinks money and power isn't the primary motivation is simply living in a self-deluding dream, as I see it.

Anonymous No. 16324474

>>16324406
>needing to put words in other people's mouth to justify yourself.
What do you mean? Allan Savory put words into my mouth. Beef is going to save the world and all I have to do to get in on the ground floor (no pun intended) is to buy more beef! I'm very creative like that.

Anonymous No. 16324524

>>16324474
Maybe you could creatively find a way to get a life?
Best of luck.

Anonymous No. 16324557

>>16324224
>I think they simply like the social image that's afforded to them by seeming like they care about it, more than they actually like nature itself.
to the point of needing to put words in other people's mouth to justify yourself.
>>16324406
>It's funny how offended you get and how you quickly take it so personally
>to the point of needing to put words in other people's mouth to justify yourself.
>It's insight into your insecurity and the same image obsession mentioned.
>to the point of needing to put words in other people's mouth to justify yourself.

Anonymous No. 16324966

>>16324524
Are you saying that buying beef won't save the world? I'm pretty sure you're a liar because the first thing I heard on this topic was that beef will save the world and that's how I know it's true. Why aren't you buying more beef? Are you too busy virtue signaling to actually save the world?

🗑️ Anonymous No. 16325512

>>16324462
>>>/pol/

🗑️ Anonymous No. 16326304

How come it upsets the environmentalists so badly that enhancing the atmosphere with additional CO2 makes arid wastelands become more fertile? You'd think environmentalists would be happy to see an improved, healthier environment

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Anonymous No. 16326398

be honest /sci/, you fuckers are really just making all this shit up as you go aren't you?

Anonymous No. 16326412

>>16325512
>/suicide/

Anonymous No. 16326945

>>16326398
/sci/ is mostly/pol/tards are this point, so yes. They're just making shit up. Who could have guessed that the anti-science crowd wouldn't know shit about science?

Anonymous No. 16327337

>>16326945
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZE_TMzLCI_Y

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Anonymous No. 16327857

What happens when the increased greenery has to compete for limited resources like freshwater and other nutrients?

Anonymous No. 16327884

>>16324557
>got so butthurt he had to spam replies and still couldn't think of anything.
Sad.

Anonymous No. 16328037

>>16327884
>got so butthurt he had to spam replies and still couldn't think of anything.
>to the point of needing to put words in other people's mouth to justify yourself.

Anonymous No. 16328084

>>16328037
>projection
Cool story. I don't think you know what "putting words in people's mouth" means, but I'm also not at all surprised.
Truly sad.

Anonymous No. 16328106

>>16328084
>>projection
>I don't think you know what "putting words in people's mouth" means
>to the point of needing to put words in other people's mouth to justify yourself.

Anonymous No. 16328132

>>16328106
Indeed. Yet, you still can't point out what words I put into anyone's mouth, only further demonstrating what I said to be true. Thank you.

Anonymous No. 16328373

>>16328132
You are completely incapable of self examination. Try reading everything you wrote again. Literally all you do is put words in people's mouths.

Anonymous No. 16328413

>>16328373
Then by all means, please point out exactly what words I put into anyone's mouth?
You keep saying it but for some reason, refuse to show where this occurred. Now you have the opportunity to directly point it out, so go ahead.

Anonymous No. 16328470

>>16328413
See
>>16324557
>>16328037
>>16328106
>>16328132

>You keep saying it but for some reason, refuse to show where this occurred.
This is proof that you're incapable of self examination. I held up a mirror for you and you still couldn't see what was right in front of your face.

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Anonymous No. 16328593

>>16328470
None of those are me except the first and the last.
It seems to me you're unable to directly point to where I did what you're suggesting.
It appears that I was correct. I think you're aware, too, but are too insecure to just own a simple mistake. But the truth is plainly evident, so that's good enough.

Anonymous No. 16329532

>>16325512
Thank you for agreeing with me that the climate hysteria and the "green" movement are mostly political and have little to do with science or the environment.
Most people supporting it only do so for ideological reasons, so they use it as a nice little social fashion accessory for false virtue. They don't follow the science as much as they follow the TV and consumer culture.

🗑️ Anonymous No. 16329741

>>16327857
Plants in CO2 enhanced atmosphere require less water than plants inlower CO2 percentage atmospheres due to the nature of plant respiration. Plants in CO2 enhanced atmospheres also root deeper than plants in lower CO2 percentage atmospheres, so they have access to more soil based nutrients than otherwise. Furthermore soil nutrition is an extremely low on the list of important factors in plant growth and its gay how overemphasized it is. I've run side by side tests of plants growing in nutrient supplemented soil vs in non-enhanced with a number of different commercially available products and I still haven't run into a single supplement that seemed to make even the slightest significantly noticeable improvement.

Anonymous No. 16329759

>>16328593
Are you illiterate?

Anonymous No. 16329760

>>16329741
Retard take

Anonymous No. 16329792

>>16329759
Are you?
Prefacing what was said with "I think" is an expression of a personal opinion, not "putting words into someone else's mouth."
If that's the example you're attempting to point out, then it shows that I was right and you have no idea what the expression even means. The following "examples" only drive that point home further.

Anonymous No. 16329850

>>16329792
Cope harder.

Anonymous No. 16329851

>>16329850
Yeah, it would appear you are, as expected.

🗑️ Anonymous No. 16331065

>>16329741
plants evolved in a much, much higher CO2 environment than the current one, they are geared for higher atmospheric CO2 levels.

Anonymous No. 16331139

>>16302884
I've got a wet bulb event for you coming right up
*unzips dick*

Anonymous No. 16331152

>>16331139
>*unzips dick*
How does that work, exactly?

Anonymous No. 16331168

>>16329851
You're either embarrassed that you've been called out or you're actually stupid enough to think that prefacing something with "I think" isn't putting words in people's mouths. I can make baseless assertions that start with "I think" too: I think you wouldn't be so obsessed with cuck porn if your parents didn't keep your crip in their room until you were eight.

Anonymous No. 16331188

>>16331168
>crip
Don't blame me for you being too insecure to own your mistakes. It's ok that you didn't understand the expression and just wanted to use it.
But now I have a better understanding of your hobbies by your projection and things make a lot more sense.

Anonymous No. 16331206

>>16302872
They have to be pro-climate change now to be logically consistent with disgustingly high levels of immigration. Immigration kills our planet.

🗑️ Anonymous No. 16331308

>>16331065
Thats why the people who grow plants in controlled environments use CO2 generators to enhance the atmospheres in their greenhouses or artificially illuminated grow rooms.

Anonymous No. 16331571

>>16309939
> There is no evidence whatsoever of sea level rise in recent times and ocean front property keeps mooning. So all the people with money seem to think it will still be there. Coincidentally the same people telling you to be super poor and own nothing to stop it from happening.
So do you believe it's true or not? Because the obvious thing to infer is that they believe it still will be there in the future, but it might not if everybody else doesn't turn ultra-poor, otherwise why would they give a crap?
But then your entire argument falls apart because you say Plymouth Rock is still there or some shot...

Anonymous No. 16331582

>>16331188
There you go again. It's amazing. You've managed to learn exactly nothing. I even gave an example to learn from. You couldn't do it. How old are you, 12? How often did your parents drop you on your head? What trauma in your life cause this specific dysfunction?

🗑️ Anonymous No. 16331908

>>16331308
If CO2 is bad how come CO2 generators are legal?

Anonymous No. 16331913

>>16331582
Whole lot of words to just to avoid saying I was right and you didn't know the expression. Just use it to learn from and you won't make such a mistake again. You don't have to get so mad over it, that's just silly.

Anonymous No. 16331925

>>16331913
There you go again. It's amazing. You've managed to learn exactly nothing. I even gave an example to learn from. You couldn't do it. How old are you, 12? How often did your parents drop you on your head? What trauma in your life cause this specific dysfunction?

Anonymous No. 16331949

>>16331925
Whole lot of words to just to avoid saying I was right.
Sorry you're mad and made a mistake. Learn from it.

Anonymous No. 16332057

>>16302872
next in the news: yale scientists blacklisted/accused of gang rape

Anonymous No. 16332082

>>16331949
There you go again. It's amazing. You've managed to learn exactly nothing. I even gave an example to learn from. You couldn't do it. How old are you, 12? How often did your parents drop you on your head? What trauma in your life cause this specific dysfunction?

>Sorry you're mad and made a mistake. Learn from it.
Ultimate irony.

Anonymous No. 16332159

>>16332082
I'm not here for you to vent your traumas and broadcast why you're so insecure.
Use this as a learning experience and understand it's ok that you were wrong. You don't have to get so upset over it.

Anonymous No. 16332200

>>16332159
There you go again. It's amazing. You've managed to learn exactly nothing. I even gave an example to learn from. You couldn't do it. How old are you, 12? How often did your parents drop you on your head? What trauma in your life cause this specific dysfunction?

Anonymous No. 16332210

>>16332200
This isn't your diary and people haven't asked you to share your life, anon.
It's ok that you made a mistake, I forgive you. Just try to learn from it next time, ok?

Anonymous No. 16332219

>>16331908
It's legal to drive cars outdoors. It's not legal to keep the combustion engine running in a closed garage with a small child in it.
The CO2 generator is the other way around, producing quantities for a smaller space instead of for the entire Earth.

Anonymous No. 16332245

>>16308806
just because there is more co2 doesn't mean there is less o2 you dumbass bot lol

Anonymous No. 16332251

>>16309851
Fuck off you and your shit tier scam.

Anonymous No. 16332254

>>16332245
(question, not an argument) Will the increased vegetation produce oxygen proportionately to the increased CO2 to keep the air O2 the same %?

Anonymous No. 16332260

>>16309851
And 100 years ago did the Conservatards KNOW it would be greener later (outside of "someone smart enough will fix things for us")?
"Fuck it I will die soon anyway, My great great grandchildren should deal with their own problems" also isn't very....conserving is it

🗑️ Anonymous No. 16332265

>>16332260
you're clearly not on this board to discuss science, you have no interest in or knowledge of science
>>>/pol/

Anonymous No. 16332267

sure but I suspect at least half the thread too

Anonymous No. 16332281

>>16332260
look at how much delusion you have to mentally take part in just to post your political obsession. its like youre arguing with your own imagination and are totally oblivious. completely lost in the usual consumerism idea you have to pick a team.
i bet youve never even stopped and asked how you adopted the views you have either, theyre just a tool to fit in. a glowing screen telling you what to think and about who. youre so full of anger and bitterness and theyre just a convenient socially accepted target for you to vent it onto. youve become an actual extremist and project the way you make decisions onto the entire world.

Anonymous No. 16332342

>>16302872
not surprising, because Israel pushes Green Energy in an effort to dismantle Arab/Venezuelan Oil Hegemony.

Anonymous No. 16332389

>>16310387
Elites don't want the poles melting because they'd lose control the moment people see what's beneath the ice. It's that simple.

Anonymous No. 16332422

>>16332389
They're not worried about that shit. If they were, they wouldn't be purchasing beach front homes still and would be planting trees (a seriously cost effective solution to help mitigate the long-term effects) at an unprecedented rate.
The whole thing is about energy and monopolizing it for geopolitical dominance. Too many "enemies" (or countries the West are unable to fully control) have way too much oil. Their economies are predominantly dependent on Western consumption. You remove that consumption and what leverage, wealth, power are they then left with?
Their collapse is the west's opportunity, removing a hindrance while simultaneously gaining possession of the resources.

People honestly believe politicians and geopolitical elites suddenly gained a conscious and began caring about nature and the average person? They already have bunkers and safe-havens built for any potential emergencies. Is the average person included in the protection those places offer?
It's like people live in this weird alternate reality where they ignore common sense.

Anonymous No. 16332424

>>16332260
>>16309851
You seem shitter-shattered about something. Might I suggest you seek advice on >>>/adv/

Anonymous No. 16332431

>>16332422
Almost like that's the reason they made it a political issue for the average consumer....

Theyll support it regardless just to back their team.

Reminds me of a George Carlin quote:
>"Keep in mind, the news media are not independent; they are a sort of bulletin board and public relations firm for the ruling class — the people who run things. Those who decide what news you will or will not hear are paid by, and tolerated purely at the whim of, those who hold economic power. If the parent corporation doesn't want you to know something, it won't be on the news. Period. Or, at the very least, it will be slanted to suit them, and then rarely followed up."

Anonymous No. 16332446

>>16332431
People like to project this image of incompetence on the political class -- and they love that they do. It's mostly a uniparty anyway. The only people truly arguing are the ones they want to argue. What pisses me off is how the weaponize funding to manipulate academia and fields of science for their own ends. Most within are also painfully aware, too, but they have to choose between principles and a steady career/income.

Carlin was really great and made me reconsider many things when younger, which I couldn't say for most comedians. It's a shame he lost touch with what was happening a bit in his later years, but I think it happens to everyone as they get up there.

Anonymous No. 16332615

>>16302872
Methane ices. That is extinction event tier.

Anonymous No. 16332794

>>16332210
There you go again. It's amazing. You've managed to learn exactly nothing. I even gave an example to learn from. You couldn't do it. How old are you, 12? How often did your parents drop you on your head? What trauma in your life cause this specific dysfunction?

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Anonymous No. 16332802

>>16332245
Yes it does. Pic related.

>>16332254
No. Conservation of mass means that the carbon we dig up and burn binds to atmospheric oxygen. The only way you would get that oxygen back is if the Earth could grow enough plants to reduce the concentration of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere which would represent carbon being sequestered as biomass, in soil, or moving into other stores of carbon. In short, the oxygen (O2) will continue to drop at exactly the same rate that carbon (C) is turned into carbon dioxide (CO2) because 1 C + 1 O2 = 1 CO2.

Anonymous No. 16332811

>>16332615
Good luck convincing climate change deniers that the climate has tipping points.

Anonymous No. 16333164

>>16332794
I'm sorry you're mad at me for pointing out you made a mistake and have trouble coping with it to the point of needing to participate in actual delusion.
It would seem something so silly broke you. That's unfortunate.

🗑️ Anonymous No. 16333791

>>16332802
that graphic is not evidence of the false claim you're trying to shill

Anonymous No. 16333806

>>16332424
Nice try but that's not the same person

Anonymous No. 16333885

>>16333791
t. Failed high school chemistry

Anonymous No. 16333887

>>16333791
There you go again. It's amazing. You've managed to learn exactly nothing. I even gave an example to learn from. You couldn't do it. How old are you, 12? How often did your parents drop you on your head? What trauma in your life cause this specific dysfunction?

Anonymous No. 16334006

>>16333887
>nerd tagged wrong anon
Poor guy can't do anything right. Anger can blind people.

Anonymous No. 16334653

>>16308806
not my problem

Anonymous No. 16334799

>>16334006
Oh no, I clicked on one post instead of the other. How could I have done that during such an engaging conversation?

>Poor guy can't do anything right. Anger can blind people.
There you go again. It's amazing. You've managed to learn exactly nothing. I even gave an example to learn from. You couldn't do it. How old are you, 12? How often did your parents drop you on your head? What trauma in your life cause this specific dysfunction?

Anonymous No. 16334869

>>16334799
>insecurity made him break his spam of his childhood traumas
Don't be down. This is the result of letting anger guide your emotions. Hopefully you've learned from your mistakes and will grow in the future.

🗑️ Anonymous No. 16335344

>>16314582
volcanoes outstrips all of that combined by 1000%
so does animal and fungus respiration

Anonymous No. 16335403

>>16302989
Invasive species are bad, nigger.
They replace a local ecology with a monoculture that drives other species away or extinct.
Stop weeding your lawn if you're not trolling.

Anonymous No. 16336497

>>16304068
>manpower
why aren't you importing real manpower then? those little shitters aren't cut out for real work just food delivery and cash register operation

🗑️ Anonymous No. 16337315

>>16324228
most drylands are deserts, less than 20% of drylands don't fall into the desert category.

Anonymous No. 16337667

>>16302872
I've seen this in my area too, it's turning into a Rainforest

Anonymous No. 16337669

>>16309851
>If you faggots care so much why don't you move to the sahara and live there if you think this is such a great thing?
Some people eventually will desu.

Anonymous No. 16337766

>>16334869
There you go again. It's amazing. You've managed to learn exactly nothing. I even gave an example to learn from. You couldn't do it. How old are you, 12? How often did your parents drop you on your head? What trauma in your life cause this specific dysfunction?

Anonymous No. 16337771

>>16337315
>Things I made up

Anonymous No. 16337775

>>16337669
I'll buy your plane ticket if you leave now.

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Over 96% of dryland areas are projected to become more fertile, verdant and productive under climate change

https://www.nature.com/articles/s43247-024-01463-y

>We found a broad boost to dryland vegetation productivity due to the carbon dioxide (CO2) fertilization effect that is negated by climate changes in at most 4% of global drylands to produce desertification. These regions include parts of north-east Brazil, Namibia, western Sahel, Horn of Africa and central Asia.

Anonymous No. 16338935

>>16302872
The thread's subject is unsurprisingly a poor summation of the article.

Anonymous No. 16338944

>>16337766
There's no need to spam. Just because you made a couple mistakes isn't a reason to lose it. Show some self-control and stop derailing the thread with a tantrum, anon.

Anonymous No. 16339479

>>16302885
lol. It amazes me how NPCs react to REAL science.

No retard, the world is not dying. You have been played like the rest of your kind. Now go back to consooming garbage with a rainbow flag while we deal with real science and ignore you

Anonymous No. 16339481

>>16338944
There you go again. It's amazing. You've managed to learn exactly nothing. I even gave an example to learn from. You couldn't do it. How old are you, 12? How often did your parents drop you on your head? What trauma in your life cause this specific dysfunction?

🗑️ Anonymous No. 16339597

>>16335403
so what do you think about europe, japan and north america being flooded with foreign immigrants?

Anonymous No. 16339813

>>16339481
All this because he was wrong and couldn't accept it. How sad. This is why having any sort of climate discussion with extremists never works.

Anonymous No. 16340122

>>16324436
>>16318120
>>16311141
Just so you dumb faggots know, the military already uses wet bulb as the real measure of heat conditions

Anonymous No. 16340177

>>16340122
>the military
Filtered, get back to eating crayons.

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>>16340122
>the military!!!
>omg there soooo smart and stuff or something!!!!
whats your branch, rank and time served?
is it zero zero and zero?
so why do you think you know anything about the military?
its just yet another lackwit globohomo organization that can't even differentiate between male and female.
they buy the worlds most expensive and sophisticated equipment and then proceed to get their ass beaten by 3rd worlders with pickup trucks and a few rifles. stupidity and wasting resources is the only thing the military is good at.

Anonymous No. 16340253

>>16302989
There are definitely "bad" species, for example African elephants who kill village children. Preserving these pests is a crime against humanity, and it really shows how deranged the west has become when they defend beasts even as African children die.

Drive the beasts extinct!!!!!!!

Anonymous No. 16340341

>>16339813
There you go again. It's amazing. You've managed to learn exactly nothing. I even gave an example to learn from. You couldn't do it. How old are you, 12? How often did your parents drop you on your head? What trauma in your life cause this specific dysfunction?

Anonymous No. 16340342

>>16340122
They're either trolling or genuinely retarded.

Anonymous No. 16341736

>>16302872
Healthy is just what is good for humans. The planet would still be here without any life on it

🗑️ Anonymous No. 16341803

>>16340181
>stupidity and wasting resources is the only thing the military is good at.
Reminds me of NASA

🗑️ Anonymous No. 16342142

>nature proliferates like never before all thanks to adding CO2 to the atmosphere
I feel so blessed and thankful to be living in a time when nature is healthier and more abundant than any previous humans have ever witnessed or dreamed possible

Anonymous No. 16342372

>>16342142
Say "thank you" to China.

https://www.nasa.gov/centers-and-facilities/ames/human-activity-in-china-and-india-dominates-the-greening-of-earth-nasa-study-shows/

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>>16342372

Anonymous No. 16343296

>>16340341
It's unfortunate that you're unable to own your mistakes. I hope you can grow from it in the future.

Anonymous No. 16344009

Alright, I'll say it.

What's with all this CO2 hate?
Our industry pumps countless pollutants into the environment of all kinds, from partially burned hydrocarbons, to acids, fertilizers, pesticides, herbicides, industrial dusts, hormones, non-biodegradeable wastes, biodegradeable wastes, but in highly concentrated amounts, etc etc etc.
But everyone hates on motherfucking CO2.

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Greenpeace says CO2 is good for the environment

Anonymous No. 16344966

>>16342372
Does any other nation pollute water worse than India?

Anonymous No. 16344980

>>16344966
The water specifically? Probably only China compares.

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>>16344980

Anonymous No. 16345011

>>16345007
There you go. The Yangtze makes sense given China's lack of environmental laws and their complete disregard for such things.

Anonymous No. 16345388

>>16345007
>>16345011
A significant proportion of that is plastic waste exported by western countries. They were taking in so much waste they had to ban it.
>https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/China%27s_waste_import_ban
I remember my city freaked out when the ban happened because they had no way to process the waste themselves, that should tell you just how much of their plastic is imported.

Anonymous No. 16345397

>>16342372
A significant proportion of this is from changes in land use, so agriculture. So "greening" measures plant concentration per hectare, so while something like forest might have fewer plants per hectare than agriculture the forest is a much healthier environment overall.

Anonymous No. 16345738

>>16345388
Doubt it. China is a shithole all on its own as well.

Anonymous No. 16345757

>>16343294
>>16344966
>>16345397
>Nooo! It's all the CO2 in the air! It's not China planting trees! Chinese people are bad because Trump said so! Why are you questioning my narrative?!"

Anonymous No. 16345759

>>16343296
There you go again. It's amazing. You've managed to learn exactly nothing. I even gave an example to learn from. You couldn't do it. How old are you, 12? How often did your parents drop you on your head? What trauma in your life cause this specific dysfunction?

Anonymous No. 16345892

>>16340253
hmmmm no let's exterminate the african children instead

Anonymous No. 16346979

>>16345759
Yes, we know you couldn't understand a simple concept like what "putting words in someone's mouth" means and fully understand your embarrassment, but you shouldn't speak about someone being 12 when you sperg to this level.

🗑️ Anonymous No. 16347329

>>16345757
>>>/pol/

Anonymous No. 16347335

>>16347329
Never fails. Some people project their own ideological extremism and need to be told what to think onto everyone else because the idea that people can be intellectually autonomous may as well be a concept that they will never come close to grasping.

No amount of mental gymnastics changes that fact that China and India, by having well over half of the entire world's population, are two of the largest contributors to pollution and ecological destruction. There's no amount of effort that could possibly be made that would change anything without them actively cooperating.

Anonymous No. 16347606

>>16346979
There you go again. It's amazing. You've managed to learn exactly nothing. I even gave an example to learn from. You couldn't do it. How old are you, 12? How often did your parents drop you on your head? What trauma in your life cause this specific dysfunction?

Anonymous No. 16347858

>>16347606
>i was wrong and can't admit it
Such is life. Same reason conversations related to the climate usually end up fruitless. People such as this need to be told their view based of what's trendy. It won't solve the issues, though.

🗑️ Anonymous No. 16348069

>>16347335
>China and India, by having well over half of the entire world's population
they don't have well over half of the entire world's population, they have substantially less than half.
you are very dumb

Anonymous No. 16349320

>>16347858
There you go again. It's amazing. You've managed to learn exactly nothing. I even gave an example to learn from. You couldn't do it. How old are you, 12? How often did your parents drop you on your head? What trauma in your life cause this specific dysfunction?

🗑️ Anonymous No. 16349637

>>16347335
>Some people project their own ideological extremism and need to be told what to think onto everyone else because the idea that people can be intellectually autonomous may as well be a concept that they will never come close to grasping.
that's you

Anonymous No. 16349645

>>16349320
>i was wrong and can't admit it
By your definition, you're "putting words in my mouth." lol
You should at least create spam that sticks to the topic.

Anonymous No. 16349678

>>16302872
>Additional CO2 is making the planet greener and causing formerly barren wastelands to flourish with new life
I can't help but wonder why we don't make use of this opportunity to re-populate forests and create initiatives to plant as many trees as possible?

It also seems antithetical to the goal of lowering CO2 that we've cut back deforestation programs which help protect the trees we do have which can help mitigate?
I don't see desertification occurring but I do see a lack of replenishment of forests, which is something we can directly help control pretty easily.

Anonymous No. 16349817

>>16349637
Sorry, but no.

Anonymous No. 16350158

>>16349678
It's cropland. Humans are doing it. Not CO2

https://www.nasa.gov/centers-and-facilities/ames/human-activity-in-china-and-india-dominates-the-greening-of-earth-nasa-study-shows/

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🗑️ Anonymous No. 16350316

>>16349678
how many trees have you planted so far? none?
clearly the concern you're expressing on this topic is facetious. why are you lying about caring about trees? whats your goal in doing that?

Anonymous No. 16350423

>>16350158
Interesting article, but otherwise unrelated. We already know emissions and elevated CO2 exist, my question was as to why we don't have large initiatives in place that offer natural solutions.

>>16350316
I've planted plenty over the years. Thanks for asking.
Not that it has any relevance to what was said and seems to be you simply being a lonely faggot looking to fight online for attention. Not everyone is some acidulous asshole like yourself who thinks the internet is a replacement for a social life. Go outside, dickhead.

Anonymous No. 16350775

>>16311429
>you mindlessly listen to what you're told like a good NPC
>that's why I mindlessly listen to the other people like a good NPC!
For your sake, I hope this is bait and that I'm falling for it.

Anonymous No. 16351228

>>16350423
Try reading that article again. Elevated CO2 does fuck all. Humans using irrigation is where the greening comes from.

Anonymous No. 16352889

>>16351228
you're ignorant of the basics of how plants function. elevated co2 levels means they require less moisture to thrive and that is why plants are doing better in arid regions these days. they're also doing better in every other region and as a result of that all of the creatures who depend on plants for nutrition and all the creatures who eat the creatures who eat plants, etc. are all also doing better.
enriching our atmosphere with co2 is extremely beneficial for nature

Anonymous No. 16352894

>>16351228
Except the Canadian and siberian tundra and the borders of the Sahara have seen significant greening as well.
That NASA article is desperate damage control to try and change the narrative about co2 greening the planet back to "um ackshually it's BAD that there is more greenery on the planet because humans are involved in some of it"

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Anonymous No. 16352897

>>16351228
Ultimate cope. If all the greening was explained by human activity, explain the increase in foliage seen in unhabitated wilderness like the central Asian steppe or patagonia or siberia.

Anonymous No. 16353320

>>16302872
>CO2 rises
>grasslands/greenery spreads and increases
>O2 rises from said increase
>more CO2 gets absorbed

Wow, so its a self-solving problem

Anonymous No. 16353326

>>16302872
NOOOOOO THINK ABOUT THE LOGGING AND REAL ESTATE DEVELOPMENT!!!!!!
STOP THE CO2!!!

Anonymous No. 16353381

>>16352897
That shows change in leaf area as a percentage. Is there a lot of foliage near the north pole? See how the darkest green spots are where we grow food?

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Anonymous No. 16353383

>>16352889
>you're ignorant of the basics of how plants function.
Ironic.

Anonymous No. 16353386

>>16352894
There are green wall projects on the borders of the Sahara. Tundras "benefit" more from the melting permafrost than they do from CO2. That's not greening, it's the destruction of a biome.

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Anonymous No. 16353677

>>16353381
>Is there a lot of foliage near the north pole?
Yes, actually. The arctic circle has a summertime, you know.

Anonymous No. 16353678

>>16353386
>There are green wall projects on the borders of the Sahara
And those projects are more effective due to higher CO2 levels, because plants lose less water through their leaves when CO2 is higher.

Anonymous No. 16353733

>>16302872
photosynthesis needs CO2, but it also needs water. hotter temperature means dryer conditions from evaporation and the Sahara starts to expand etc
try telling a farmer whose crops are failing that there is more CO2 to feed them so they should be fine

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Anonymous No. 16353773

>>16353733
Good thing plants do better in higher CO2 environments even under drought conditions due to increased water effiency.
Plants lose water when they breathe in CO2. When CO2 levels are higher, plants have to breathe less. Less breathing = less moisture loss.

Anonymous No. 16354027

>>16353733
C3 photosynthesis is the most common photosynthesis. It is adapted for 10% CO2. C3 photosynthesis is vulnerable to oxygen poisoning. At 0.5% CO2 C3 photosynthesis forms the incorrect molecule fifty percent of the time.

Earth's plants are adapted for a much higher CO2 concentration. C2 exists in some algae and C4 exists in corn. C4 is C3 encapsulated by cells that concentrate CO2 onto the chloroplast.

Anonymous No. 16354163

For people who want to learn about photosynthesis and why plants do better in higher CO2:
https://ripe.illinois.edu/blog/difference-between-c3-and-c4-plants

Anonymous No. 16354327

>>16354027
So what? Of the air you were breathing now was as high as 0.5% CO2 youd be dead.

Anonymous No. 16354343

>>16353773
Does this compensate for increased heat stress at all?

Anonymous No. 16354419

>>16353773
The same effect happens to humans too, in lower O2 environments you have to breathe more rapidly and that results in more water loss via exhaled evaporation.

>>16353733
You have never studied plant biology. You should, its an interesting topic and you clearly want to be seen as knowledgable in it.

Anonymous No. 16354548

>>16354343
if you studied the topic you might find out the answer. instead you just look like an idiot who hopes nobody knows you don't know.

Anonymous No. 16354582

>>16353677
>>16353678
Cope harder. Summer is short which means they have low ANNUAL leaf area and green wall projects do not benefit for increased CO2 because water is their limiting factor.

Anonymous No. 16354586

>>16353773
>>16354027
>>16354163
>>16354419
>>16354548
Carbon dioxide is not the limiting factor for most plants on earth. You should be ashamed of yourself for trying to shame others for their ignorance.

Anonymous No. 16354638

Freeman Dyson predicted this years ago.

Anonymous No. 16354659

>>16354582
>green wall projects do not benefit for increased CO2 because water is their limiting factor.
>>16353773

Anonymous No. 16354693

>>16350775
It says a lot about how you operate to think people need to listen to others to form an overall view of a situation.
You're projecting your need to be told what to think onto others. Seeking out information that's purposefully suppressed is not the same as simply parroting it because its socially trendy.

Anonymous No. 16354942

>>16309183
Not if you make them into paper or furniture or houses

Anonymous No. 16355012

>>16354659
>Source: Wang et al. (2017)

Anonymous No. 16355013

>>16354693
Take your meds

Anonymous No. 16355015

>>16354942
Compare the amount of wood used in all forms to one year of emissions.

Anonymous No. 16355153

>>16355012
https://www.pnas.org/doi/full/10.1073/pnas.1604581113

>We show that the water savings that plants experience under high CO2 conditions compensate for much of the effect of warmer temperatures, keeping the amount of water on land, on average, higher than we would predict with common drought metrics, and with a different spatial pattern. The implications of plants needing less water under high CO2 reaches beyond drought prediction to the assessment of climate change impacts on agriculture, water resources, wildfire risk, and vegetation dynamics

Anonymous No. 16355247

>>16339479
>No retard, the world is not dying.
It is, just slowly. Oxygen levels are dropping on geologic timescales, the mantle is cooling, resources are being depleted, and the sun is getting brighter. We're in the endgame.

Anonymous No. 16355254

>>16332245
O2 levels are dropping. Ocean acidification is also ok the rise. And the ice age is yet to terminate fully.

Anonymous No. 16355258

>>16309851
>conservatard
The world isn't Amerigolem political theatre. You can be a university graduated ethnonationalist, socially conservative environmentalist with a special interest in infrastructure, earth sciences, space and be pefectly concerned about climate change and global warning.

Anonymous No. 16355260

>>16310415
How did they find out he was responsible?

Anonymous No. 16355297

>>16355153
>We show
That study doesn't show shit. They didn't grow a single plant and based the entire paper off models. It's not even a statistical analysis of real world data or other peoples papers. I really hope you're trolling and you didn't actually think that you were doing something by posting this paper.

Anonymous No. 16355298

>>16355247
The sun is not getting brighter.

Anonymous No. 16355367

>>16355297
OK then, see
>>16353773
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0981942818304546
Real world experiment, no models, with a relevant, globally important staple legume crop
>but muh china
Not an argument
At this stage, the burden of proof is on you to refute the universally accepted and demonstrated reality that plants become more water efficient under high co2 conditions.

Anonymous No. 16355374

>>16355367
>but muh china
>Not an argument
Oh, so you already know it's garbage. Why even both posting it then?

>ambient + 20%
Wew, lad. Would you like to try again, or do you want to accept that you don't know anything about plant growth and you've latched into a lie?

Anonymous No. 16355718

>>16355374
>>ambient + 20%
What's wrong with that? It's within the mid range of projections for CO2 levels by 2100. It's the ballpark level that we'll be dealing with in 70-100 years so it's worth studying to find out what effects it will have on agriculture.
Your post contained zero substance, zero argument, zero refutation, just rhetorical posturing.
Still waiting on you to explain why every botanist on Earth is wrong and why higher CO2 levels doesn't make plants more efficient at using water.

Anonymous No. 16355750

>>16355013
Sick burn, bro. You could have just said, "yeah you're right" and been done with it.

Anonymous No. 16355757

>>16355258
Nuance doesn't exist to ideological extremists. Things function in a binary way: you either agree or are labeled with whatever imaginary "other" is ideologically expedient.
Climate discussions revolve around an incredibly dynamic system that's always changing and which has a nearly inconceivable amount of variables. Most of those variables aren't even included in the panic-inducing models that are often promoted either. It should be obvious such a thing would lead to endless back and forth bitching where people are more concerned with appearing "right" than seeking out anything resembling the truth.

Anonymous No. 16356072

>>16355718
Lol no it's not. You would have to convert almost all the oxygen in the atmosphere to reach that. You understand that it's ambient + 200 mmol/mol right? That's ambient + 200 mmol/1000mmol or 20.04% of the atmosphere around the plant. Did you even bother to read the paper? How fucking stupid are you?

Anonymous No. 16356073

>>16355750
You should take your meds too.

Anonymous No. 16356075

>>16355757
Retard take.

Anonymous No. 16356081

>>16356073
How original.
See: >>16355750

Anonymous No. 16356084

>>16356081
It's not a burn. If you think that guy is right then you should genuinely be medicated. Seek help.

Anonymous No. 16356123

>>16356084
Not an argument. Just a lonely fag venting his impotent rage at life onto the internet. Project your own mental illness and insecurity elsewhere.

Anonymous No. 16356145

>>16311429
Believing that you're the lone, oppressed gadfly standing against a mountain of lies is NPD behavior. Not that I wish to reason with a mob of snowflakes! There's mountains of you, every third moron thinks just like you and you outnumber people with expertise 1000:1.

Anonymous No. 16356158

>>16356145
>my imaginary version of people can replace real life because it allows me to ignore inconvenient things and serves my viewpoint
You spend too much time on the internet.

Anonymous No. 16357536

>>16355298
>The sun is not getting brighter.
It literally is though. How can you say that when research has revealed that the sun has brightened by 30% since the last few billion years?

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Anonymous No. 16357553

>>16357536

Anonymous No. 16357555

>>16356123
>Just a lonely fag venting his impotent rage at life onto the internet.
That's why I'm telling you to get help before you end up shooting up a Jewish school.

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Anonymous No. 16357635

>>16357553
nasa is a government propaganda agency, not a scientific organization. nasa fakes their temperature data

Anonymous No. 16357705

>>16357555
You spend far too much time playing make believe as an adult. You should socialize more instead of making people up in your head.

Anonymous No. 16357756

>>16302989
>Invasive species" do not even exist; unless all living things are "invasive"
Open borders, you say?

Anonymous No. 16357763

>>16357635
>>16357705
Take your meds.

Anonymous No. 16357776

>>16357763
>t. the one creating delusions that aren't real.
lol k

Anonymous No. 16358374

>>16302872
What do plants feed on? You know that in some greenhouses they put CO2, the more they put in the more the plants grow lush.

Anonymous No. 16358499

>>16358374
Wrong.
>>16353383

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🗑️ Anonymous No. 16359438

>>16357635

Anonymous No. 16360096

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ly86u2KiQqk

the perfect explanation video.
no bias, all influences quantified and compared.

Anonymous No. 16361409

>>16360096
>nasa
into the trash it goes

Anonymous No. 16361419

>>16302872
>CO2 makes plants grow
B-But how?

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Anonymous No. 16362090

>>16361409
>they are all lying
since you are so good at this, Im sure you can fully watch it without getting doubts.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ONGuJCIkpQ

Anonymous No. 16362265

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_Oe6YK0DgE

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🗑️ Anonymous No. 16362295

>>16362090
>I trust based exxon

Anonymous No. 16362504

>>16362295
>Noooo! Exxon isn't a valid source unless I'm referencing their propaganda campaigns! Then it's all real and valid!

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Anonymous No. 16362647

>>16302884
>Desertification is no Bueno, but it's really wet bulb events that are gonna fuck us deep thanks to global warming.

YHTGB