🧵 How can male gorillas be so muscular?
Anonymous at Tue, 30 Jul 2024 11:58:24 UTC No. 16303138
How can male gorillas be so muscular if all they eat is fruits and leaves?
Male gorillas are incredibly muscular despite having a diet primarily consisting of fruits and leaves due to several factors:
Genetics: Gorillas have evolved over millions of years to have a naturally muscular build. Their genetic makeup allows them to develop and maintain large muscles even without consuming large amounts of protein typical in a human muscle-building diet.
Caloric Intake: Gorillas consume large quantities of food each day—up to 18 kg. This high caloric intake provides the necessary energy for their bodies to maintain muscle mass.
Gut Microbiome: Gorillas have a complex gut microbiome that helps them efficiently break down and ferment the fibrous plant material they consume. This fermentation process produces short-chain fatty acids, which are an additional energy source and aid in maintaining their muscular physique.
Activity Levels: Gorillas are very active animals. Their daily activities involve climbing, foraging, and moving through their habitat, which helps in building and maintaining muscle mass. The constant use of their muscles in these activities ensures they remain strong and developed.
Natural Protein Sources: Although their diet is primarily fruits and leaves, gorillas do consume some protein from sources like insects, grubs, and small invertebrates found within their foraged food. Additionally, many plants contain some protein, which contributes to their overall intake.
Efficient Metabolism: Gorillas have a highly efficient metabolism that allows them to make the most out of the nutrients they consume. Their bodies are adept at converting the available nutrients into muscle mass and energy.
These factors combined allow male gorillas to develop and maintain their impressive muscular physiques on a plant-based diet.
Anonymous at Tue, 30 Jul 2024 12:01:15 UTC No. 16303143
>>16303138
Why do you hate white straight men so much? Shil your trans vegan diet elsewhere
Anonymous at Tue, 30 Jul 2024 12:03:39 UTC No. 16303150
>>16303138
but where do all those calories come from if leaves have practically no calories?
While leaves have low caloric content, gorillas sustain their muscular bodies through a varied diet and specialized digestive system. Here's how they get enough calories:
Fruit: Fruits, a significant part of their diet, are high in sugars and provide essential energy.
Fibrous Plant Material: Gorillas consume fibrous plants, stems, and shoots. Their digestive system is highly specialized, with a large gut and extended intestines that efficiently break down and ferment these materials, extracting more calories.
Bark and Pith: The consumption of bark and pith from trees adds calories through carbohydrates and fiber.
Seasonal Variability: Gorillas adjust their diet seasonally. When fruits are abundant, their caloric intake from these high-energy foods increases.
Gut Microbiome and Fermentation: The gorilla's gut microbiome breaks down fibrous plant material into short-chain fatty acids through fermentation. These acids are absorbed and used as additional energy, significantly increasing caloric extraction.
Large Quantity of Food: Gorillas consume 8 to 18 kilograms of food daily. The sheer volume compensates for the lower calorie density of individual food items.
Varied Diet: Besides leaves, gorillas eat roots, seeds, flowers, and occasionally small insects, ensuring a broad range of nutrients and calories.
Through these dietary strategies, gorillas meet their caloric needs and maintain their muscular physiques despite the low-calorie nature of some food sources.
Anonymous at Tue, 30 Jul 2024 12:13:34 UTC No. 16303158
>>16303150
Which frugivores apes ferment their food as well?
Frugivorous apes that ferment their food include gorillas, orangutans, and chimpanzees. Here’s how each utilizes fermentation:
Gorillas: Gorillas have a highly developed digestive system with a large gut and extended intestines. They rely heavily on microbial fermentation in their hindgut (colon) to break down fibrous plant materials. This process produces short-chain fatty acids, which provide additional energy.
Orangutans: Orangutans, primarily frugivorous, also engage in hindgut fermentation. Their digestive tract allows for the breakdown of fibrous plant matter, helping them extract more nutrients and calories from their diet, which includes a significant amount of fruits, leaves, and bark.
Chimpanzees: Chimpanzees have a similar digestive system that facilitates fermentation. While their diet is more diverse, including fruits, leaves, seeds, and occasionally meat, they also rely on microbial fermentation in the hindgut to extract additional energy from fibrous plant material.
Fermentation allows these apes to maximize their caloric intake and nutrient absorption from a predominantly plant-based diet.
Anonymous at Tue, 30 Jul 2024 12:15:29 UTC No. 16303160
>>16303158
If a human only eats leaves and fruits as well, does it too ferment its food?
Yes, humans can ferment food in their digestive system, but not as effectively as some frugivorous apes. Here's how it works in humans:
Digestive System Differences: Humans have a shorter and less specialized digestive tract compared to gorillas, orangutans, and chimpanzees. This limits the extent and efficiency of fermentation.
Microbial Fermentation: In humans, fermentation primarily occurs in the large intestine (colon). The gut microbiota breaks down indigestible fibers into short-chain fatty acids, gases, and other metabolites. However, the capacity and efficiency of this fermentation are lower than in apes specifically adapted for high-fiber diets.
Caloric Extraction: Humans can extract some additional calories and nutrients from the fermentation of fibrous plant materials, but not nearly as much as frugivorous apes. The human digestive system is better suited for a more varied diet, including a mix of plant and animal foods.
Nutritional Adequacy: While a diet solely consisting of leaves and fruits can lead to some fermentation, it may not provide adequate nutrition for humans. Humans require a more balanced diet that includes a variety of nutrients, which might be difficult to obtain solely from leaves and fruits.
Therefore, while humans do ferment food to some extent, relying entirely on leaves and fruits would not be sufficient to meet their nutritional needs as efficiently as it does for frugivorous apes.
Anonymous at Tue, 30 Jul 2024 12:17:47 UTC No. 16303162
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Anonymous at Tue, 30 Jul 2024 12:23:55 UTC No. 16303166
>>16303160
What if a human ate a truly frugivorous diet, like its closest relatives do, including the protein from sources like insects, grubs, and small invertebrates found within the foraged food?
If a human adopted a truly frugivorous diet similar to our closest relatives, including protein from insects, grubs, and small invertebrates, the nutritional outlook would improve significantly. Here’s how:
Improved Protein Intake: Including insects enhances protein content, addressing a limitation of a strictly plant-based diet. These sources are rich in essential amino acids and other nutrients.
Micronutrient Diversity: Such a diet would provide a broader range of micronutrients. Insects, for example, are high in vitamins (like B12) and minerals (such as iron and zinc), often lacking in purely plant-based diets.
Fiber and Fermentation: A high intake of fibrous fruits and leaves increases dietary fiber, promoting gut health through microbial fermentation in the large intestine. This process produces short-chain fatty acids, providing additional energy and supporting intestinal health.
Caloric Adequacy: Fruits provide sugars and energy, while fibrous plant materials, when fermented, contribute additional calories. The inclusion of insects adds further caloric density.
Sustainability and Adaptation: Humans may need to consume larger quantities of food to meet their caloric needs due to differences in digestive efficiency. However, the diet could be sustainable with access to diverse food sources.
Potential Challenges: Practical challenges include the availability of diverse plant and insect sources, cultural acceptance of eating insects, and ensuring a balanced intake of essential nutrients.
A truly frugivorous diet for humans, including insects and small invertebrates, could provide a balanced and nutritionally adequate diet. However, it would require careful planning and a willingness to incorporate a variety of food sources to ensure all nutritional needs are met.
Anonymous at Tue, 30 Jul 2024 12:39:20 UTC No. 16303173
>>16303162
This. It is unreadable slop.
🗑️ Anonymous at Tue, 30 Jul 2024 12:45:19 UTC No. 16303177
>>16303143
FPBP, /sci/ is a non nigger gorilla white man's board.
>>16303162
>>16303173
#facts
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Anonymous at Tue, 30 Jul 2024 12:47:58 UTC No. 16303179
they fix nitrogen from the air
Anonymous at Tue, 30 Jul 2024 13:05:59 UTC No. 16303198
Anonymous at Tue, 30 Jul 2024 13:34:24 UTC No. 16303236
>>16303138
yeah but the alpha chimps who catch the rhesus monkeys, eat the most of them and become much stronger then the rest of the tribe.
Anonymous at Tue, 30 Jul 2024 14:38:13 UTC No. 16303307
>>16303236
yes, and if that tiny minority of chimpanzees keep going down that path, they'll end up like humans: a frugivore animal with some rushed, improvised maladaptations to an unnatural meat diet, held together by tape so the whole thing doesn't fall apart, and dying from circulatory problems and cancer.
Anonymous at Tue, 30 Jul 2024 14:40:42 UTC No. 16303313
>>16303138
Spend a month eating tree leaves and nothing else and report back how that went
Anonymous at Tue, 30 Jul 2024 17:19:25 UTC No. 16303438
>>16303138
The major reason is that apes (and animals in general) have a protein called myostatin that aids in the building and growth of muscle tissue. However, in humans natural selection drove early humans to evolve the repression of the protein so that the nutrients are sent to the brain instead to aid in the development of a superior intellect. At the same time, we chose to use tools and employ the "marathon run them to death" approach to hunting animals as we could sweat while they couldn't. Running also required a more efficient heart, and with a lot of muscular tissue the heart is strained and mortality is increased.
>tl;dr, the reason why our fellow great apes and other mammals are generally more physically stronger than humans is because we traded strength points for agility+intelligence points
Anonymous at Tue, 30 Jul 2024 17:41:40 UTC No. 16303453
>>16303438
>evolve the repression of the protein so that the nutrients are sent to the brain
So balloon brain pepe and couch brain wojak are truly the most evolved beings?
>"marathon run them to death"
This was believable when we were gullible children watching Discovery Channel before the internet became public. Now only distance runners and vegans take this seriously. If you had any experience with moving around all day then you would know how hard it is to eat sufficient calories for that level of activity in the modern day era let alone in an ancient food scarce environment where you need to eat every part of a freshly slaughtered animal or starve on a bunch of plants which means you can not move around as much anymore the following day.
That's why there's a vegan scientist around here that believes humans are meant to stay in some epic tropical environment with abundance of fruits and leafs which is contested by a carnivore scientist who shows humans already had tools for hunting animals hundreds of thousands years ago.
Anonymous at Tue, 30 Jul 2024 20:25:23 UTC No. 16303661
>>16303313
>eating tree leaves and nothing else
if you read the answers, that's not what gorillas do
Anonymous at Tue, 30 Jul 2024 20:27:41 UTC No. 16303665
>>16303453
>there's a vegan scientist around here
where? I don't see that anywhere. All diets were described to include insects and grubs?
Anonymous at Tue, 30 Jul 2024 20:41:14 UTC No. 16303676
>>16303661
Okay sure, you're allowed to vary it around with treebark and wild plant roots. The point still stands. You also need to eat at least 5-10% of your bodyweight daily in this
Anonymous at Tue, 30 Jul 2024 20:43:26 UTC No. 16303679
>>16303661
coincidentally, we are not gorillas and differ biomechanically from them sufficiently enough that this (for some reason implied but not stated) argument has no purpose
Anonymous at Wed, 31 Jul 2024 03:09:20 UTC No. 16304133
>>16303453
>jk
Relax anon, marathon run them to death was a joke. Humans hunted the same way some wolves do: in groups by making animals run through a set path while chasing them, and once primal anon 1 gets tired primal anon 2 in wait along the path starts the chase again. And so on, until animal is exhausted but humans are just a bit sweaty due to co-operation. It’s not a single human doing the job and literally running a marathon. Also, indigenous people will regularly herd a small group of animals to some dead end or cliff side before picking them out as easy targets or making them fall down the cliff. They used the environment.
Also indigenous (and of course, early hominid) people eat all parts of the animal, and not just a single part. They also kill in herds, not a single animal as that’s more efficient for the energy expenditure from hunting: they can preserve a lot of meat in one go through drying under a fire and get a lot of animal hides for whatever use they have
>couch wojak and balloon brain pepe
You act like they aren’t the ultimate lifeforms, anon. Remember thy gods
Anonymous at Wed, 31 Jul 2024 04:30:11 UTC No. 16304190
>>16303138
superior banana genetics