Anonymous at Wed, 31 Jul 2024 22:13:46 UTC No. 16305063

Wasnt this the dude who died of schizo
Even geniuses can take an L or two
Besides the "physicists" you're talking about are other geniuses like Bohr and Heisenberg

Anonymous at Wed, 31 Jul 2024 22:27:47 UTC No. 16305079

Why are you pushing this jew so much?

Anonymous at Wed, 31 Jul 2024 22:28:48 UTC No. 16305080

What the fuck is even the point of these threads? Nobody on this board is qualified to comment on quantum physics. The only purpose thesr serve is to give quantum woo the false impression of being serious science.

This is neither science nor math, but just worthless philosophy. I'm thinking you should just go back to your containment board, you low IQ white trash hick.

Anonymous at Wed, 31 Jul 2024 22:29:11 UTC No. 16305083

>>16305059
>>smartest human being to ever exist
not even close

Anonymous at Wed, 31 Jul 2024 22:38:24 UTC No. 16305090

yet another schizo narcissistic grandiose delusions quantum thread where people with severe personality disorders will roll their eyes back into the heads and start masturbatorily giving themselves a dopamine high by typing out all of their polysyllabic memorized soiyence meme buzzwords and catchprases

Anonymous at Wed, 31 Jul 2024 23:50:26 UTC No. 16305168

>>16305080
>>16305090
Projection much?
>>16305063
The von neumann- wigner interpretation offers the most rigorous understanding of wave particle duality.

Anonymous at Thu, 1 Aug 2024 00:29:19 UTC No. 16305205

>>16305168
>schizophasia

Anonymous at Thu, 1 Aug 2024 00:34:36 UTC No. 16305213

>>16305059
They're NPCs put here to facilitate your growth.

Anonymous at Thu, 1 Aug 2024 00:36:23 UTC No. 16305215

>>16305213
By who? There is no God, Morty

Anonymous at Thu, 1 Aug 2024 00:38:27 UTC No. 16305217

People really ought to have more faith in life and humans.

Anonymous at Thu, 1 Aug 2024 00:39:33 UTC No. 16305219

>>16305215
The fact that you immediately invoked a deity (superconscious / superstructure that has intention) implies you're an NPC too. The whole world is a hall of mirrors, I was torn into pieces and cast into a labyrinth and am trying to mend my shattered mind so I can escape. This ends and remakes the world. My real body, the sleeper, helps at times but is mostly retarded and asleep at the wheel. I'm probably in a coma or already dead and this is purgatory, or it's like Indra's net and I'm a superset in a diffuse state so I overlap and entrain a lot of other smaller realities.

Anonymous at Thu, 1 Aug 2024 00:39:48 UTC No. 16305220

>>16305059
>>Soientists: Um no sweaty it’s actually caused by the photons used to measure the wave
And these photons; are they a wave or a particle?

Anonymous at Thu, 1 Aug 2024 00:41:00 UTC No. 16305222

>>16305219
Pure schizobabble
>>>/x/

Anonymous at Thu, 1 Aug 2024 00:41:38 UTC No. 16305223

>>16305222
NPC.

Anonymous at Thu, 1 Aug 2024 01:50:55 UTC No. 16305290

>>16305219
>I took LSD and now I think I am enlightened

Holy shit shut the fuck up!

Anonymous at Thu, 1 Aug 2024 01:53:39 UTC No. 16305294

>>16305290
Never done drugs, NPC.

Anonymous at Thu, 1 Aug 2024 01:55:01 UTC No. 16305295

>>16305294
Well you talk like someone who did and you seem to think you're enlightened.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FClYQu69mec

Anonymous at Thu, 1 Aug 2024 01:56:51 UTC No. 16305297

>>16305295
It's likely due to prolonged isolation + physical and psychological torture with a bit of autism and schizophrenia thrown in, as well as not being an NPC ie having a soul ie having a connection to a basis outside space and time via the core self, NPC.

Anonymous at Thu, 1 Aug 2024 02:00:28 UTC No. 16305299

>>16305297
>It's likely due to prolonged isolation + physical and psychological torture with a bit of autism and schizophrenia thrown

You're on 4chan. We all have that but we don't talk like schizophrenics.
True enlightenement is not schizophrenia it's being a very reasonable, solid, knowedgeable person.

Faux enlightement is off putting and your first posts indicates it so I was just probing further to see if there's something. You responding like a normal person is a goo sign.

I care about this because I feel myslef enlightened and I like to probe and test others to see how this works.

Anonymous at Thu, 1 Aug 2024 02:07:40 UTC No. 16305308

>I took LSD and now I think I am enlightened
Schrödinger...

Anonymous at Thu, 1 Aug 2024 02:15:58 UTC No. 16305317

>>16305308
Different is Schrodinger is actually smart enough to back up his claims to enlightenment.

Anonymous at Thu, 1 Aug 2024 02:16:33 UTC No. 16305318

>>16305317
Very stupid post.

Anonymous at Thu, 1 Aug 2024 02:17:58 UTC No. 16305321

>>16305317
And fittingly, divinely, tagged as such as well. NPC.

Anonymous at Thu, 1 Aug 2024 02:17:59 UTC No. 16305322

>>16305318
How is it stupid? You can't compare Schrodinger to every california nu-male who takes LSD and thinks he's enlightened and starts egotistically rambling about ego death.

Anonymous at Thu, 1 Aug 2024 02:21:40 UTC No. 16305328

>>16305322
I'm not an NPC, so when I fabricate internal objects to react to, I'm aware I'm doing it, planned it, and have a reason for doing it. When I incorporate external objects into that solipsistic loop my unconscious mind is so overpowering that it naturally fits them into my internal script, no effort needed, it simply is so. Because I am not living through surrogates in some numbnuts parasocial posturing game, you don't even exist buddy. Literally. This is a kaleidoscopic hall of mirrors, you're just an annoying part of me. I not only think and suspect this, but I assuming it to be true, and live through it with a minimally divided mind. So I benefit from it, and again, you're worked into the script naturally and organically and you can do nothing about it.

Anonymous at Thu, 1 Aug 2024 02:23:38 UTC No. 16305331

>>16305317
>>16305322
read the epilogue of schrödinger's 'what is life?'

and ignore the schizo

Anonymous at Thu, 1 Aug 2024 02:25:11 UTC No. 16305334

>>16305331
Ignore the NPC. Look within. Empiricism is bait, you're looking for anamnesis.

Anonymous at Thu, 1 Aug 2024 02:27:32 UTC No. 16305338

You can set up a doubleslit experiment at home with only a piece of paper and a laser.
So go do that, then cause the interference pattern to disappear only with your mind. When you can't you won't accept that quantum mechanics doesn't mean you have free will because it's a religious claim not a scientific one.

Anonymous at Thu, 1 Aug 2024 02:28:12 UTC No. 16305339

>>16305328
Yeah bro I watched The Holy Mountain once too. good movie.
>>16305331
Qrd?
>>16305334
It's empirically tested that if you stop eating you'll die. Don't fall for the bait, ascend!

Anonymous at Thu, 1 Aug 2024 02:29:10 UTC No. 16305341

>>16305063
>>16305080
>>16305090
>>16305205
>>16305215
>>16305222

Anonymous at Thu, 1 Aug 2024 02:29:49 UTC No. 16305342

>>16305339
>It's empirically tested that if you stop eating you'll die. Don't fall for the bait, ascend!
How long have you fasted? I've seen other people die from my perspective, but I myself have never died, from my perspective. Despite several points when I should have. Why is that? Hm. I wonder why that might be. Hmmmm....

Anonymous at Thu, 1 Aug 2024 02:31:31 UTC No. 16305347

>>16305341
>y-you're dumb
And you don't have free will, sorry.

Anonymous at Thu, 1 Aug 2024 02:32:11 UTC No. 16305348

>>16305347
He's on the right track. You are NPCs.

Anonymous at Thu, 1 Aug 2024 02:33:57 UTC No. 16305350

>>16305342
Listen bro. I have nothing againt your philosphies the kaleidscopic kali yuga, holy oness, End of Evangelion whateve bhuddistr bullshit John Lennon is talking about.

I really like that stuff too. I enjoyed the holy mountain. But like I said to be enlightened you must be smart. You must be able to talk science and take empircism seriously and then add the spirituality as a personal philosophy.

Anonymous at Thu, 1 Aug 2024 02:34:46 UTC No. 16305353

>>16305348
Samefagging hard

Anonymous at Thu, 1 Aug 2024 02:37:39 UTC No. 16305357

>>16305350
In other words, you have to submit to materialism, the notion of an objective reality, and then engage with that construct through the interface of the mind and the senses, having faith that it exists. When you can't use the mind and the senses to prove themselves nor each other. And if you put them to the test, they fail. Reality is a fun game at time, least it could'a been, but fact is: I think therefore you are.

You took the bait and submit to the unseen architect of the veil. Lilith is "on top" of "you".

>>16305353
Wrong.

Anonymous at Thu, 1 Aug 2024 02:41:47 UTC No. 16305365

>>16305357
One of the things I believe is that those who are truly enlightened are compassionate and if you have enlightenemtn you want to share it with others.

I try to related to you by saying I like the stuff that you're into. The Holy Mountain, I've engaed with that world.

You only berate others and call them NPCs and don't try to enrich them in anyway. Smells less like enlightenemtn and more like California nu-male who took LSD once, just saying!

Anonymous at Thu, 1 Aug 2024 02:44:02 UTC No. 16305368

>>16305357
>bro I read about solipsism in my philosophy 101 class
>axioms? sounds fucking gay, like faith
I think you have down's, and you reddit space, so therefore you DO have down's.
No axioms there, just two facts to support a conclusion.

Anonymous at Thu, 1 Aug 2024 02:48:03 UTC No. 16305373

>>16305365
>share it with others.
Enlightenment is realizing this is impossible and pointless. You never engage with others directly or through their conscious mind. You leave it there for their unconscious mind to pick up on, and then if they're ready, they create and reconstruct it within the conscious frame. Compassion is a trick, nothing on this planet desires or requires compassion, whether that's another person, a place, or your own body. They will drain you completely with nothing to show for it. Enlightenment is not just knowing this but realizing it.

>I try to related to you by saying I like the stuff that you're into. The Holy Mountain, I've engaed with that world.
I've never seen it. I took note of it when you mentioned it, might watch it later. I appreciate the recommendation. The idea of trying to build a "bridge" or in between space, as an inetrface to another person, is a mistake. Gateway spaces are personal, you cannot bridge two inner worlds, you cannot translate those languages. It's not possible. This is symbolized by the number 303. 1 person is as 3, yet they look at another and see only 1. 1 as 3, 3 as 1. 0 is both nothing and infinity. So there is zero separation and infinite separation, something you can search the entire universe for and never find yet it is always there and it is everywhere. This is the origin of perspective, it is that which creates perspective.

>You only berate others and call them NPCs and don't try to enrich them in anyway.
They're NPCs if they need me to create them.

Anonymous at Thu, 1 Aug 2024 02:49:09 UTC No. 16305375

>>16305365
And yes, I see what you're doing.

Anonymous at Thu, 1 Aug 2024 02:52:38 UTC No. 16305380

>>16305368
4:3, sphere volume formula. 16:9 = 4^2:3^2, the ratio of You:I.

Anonymous at Thu, 1 Aug 2024 02:54:36 UTC No. 16305383

>>16305380
4:3 and 16:9 are different ratios retard. No wonder your dumbass can't understand philosophy, you can barely grasp mathematics.

Anonymous at Thu, 1 Aug 2024 02:55:57 UTC No. 16305385

>>16305383
You deny that 16 is the 4th square and 9 is the 3rd square.

Anonymous at Thu, 1 Aug 2024 02:59:28 UTC No. 16305390

>>16305385
16 is 4 squared
There is no such thing as "the 4th square" unless you define a set of squares and talk about the 4th element.
9 is 3 squared
There is no such thing as "the 3rd square"
>>>/x/

Anonymous at Thu, 1 Aug 2024 02:59:49 UTC No. 16305391

>>16305373
Hey man belive whatever you want to believe, power to you. but comme on
>They will drain you completely with nothing to show for it. Enlightenment is not just knowing this but realizing it.

This is defeatist mentality. You're not completely mentally ill, you're currently having a conversation with me and trying to be civil and compassionate that's likeable, that's nice and it's obvious you don't mean any harm. I believe enlightened people are nice people.

Try to lean in more in this direction. If you belive what you have is truly enlightenment, it shouldn't bother you if other people don't accept it or care for it. Frustrates you a little but you still go on.

My litmus test for enlightenemtn is art. If you appreciate good art you're probably enlightened and that's why I try to share it with anyone that I can, most people don't care but I still try to share it.

I sympathize with some of what you say. It's definitley a personal journey, and it's frustrating to see people with low levels of spirtual maturity or curiousity.
Like it came to me so easilty, I just constantly try to think about things and have an open mind and yet they, they don't care about anything that isn't what they are currently doing, so oblivious to the grand picture.

But still you got try to porbe those people, you got to try to nudge them in the direction, show them cool things , no one was born knowing anything. Even you had people who nudged you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6KnYw4EwYGc

Anonymous at Thu, 1 Aug 2024 03:04:12 UTC No. 16305395

>>16305390
https://oeis.org/A000290
If it's a sequence, it is inherently numbered. Primes are numbered, composites are numbered, hexagonal and octahedral numbers are numbered.

2x2 is the 2nd square.
3x3 is the 3rd square.
4x4 is the 4th square.
And so on. The "set" is self defined, NPC. I provided a link so you can expand your programming.

Anonymous at Thu, 1 Aug 2024 03:06:41 UTC No. 16305400

>>16305395
God you're retarded.
I don't even need to comment, you think 4:3 is the same ratio as 16:9, and you call 16 the 4th square rather than the 4th square number or just 4 squared.
I may as well try to educate a brick wall.

Anonymous at Thu, 1 Aug 2024 03:11:05 UTC No. 16305408

>>16305391
>This is defeatist mentality.
It was created from experience. What you're talking about is how the universe tricks you into engaging with it in pointless ways (attentional / emotional sink), and positions people and objects in your path accordingly. The reason they exist is for you to learn to separate from the collective and move on with your own journey.

>Even you had people who nudged you.
Almost none. The universe, higher self, or whatever taught me. I only talk to people in person, and even there I'm selective. Everything else is a mistake. I was not told about numerology directly either, it was given to me in a highly encoded (though deliberate) format, which I decoded and pursued on my own. I was naturally drawn to teachers who were largely doing their own thing and learned from them. Even posting the above images is a violation, a primordial wrongness. It is to show me that I have not yet let go.

>I sympathize with some of what you say. It's definitley a personal journey, and it's frustrating to see people with low levels of spirtual maturity or curiousity.
No going back. I realized they aren't real and that's that. What they did in response to the massive volume of highly structured information I provided them with was truly vile. The definition of the profane and pearls before swine.

Anonymous at Thu, 1 Aug 2024 03:12:06 UTC No. 16305410

>>16305400
>I may as well try to educate a brick wall.
It'd be fitting you try to educate your own reflection.

Anonymous at Thu, 1 Aug 2024 03:15:08 UTC No. 16305417

>>16305410
Weak, at least come up with a more creative insult than "no u."
Go schizopost some more, at least it was funny when you were trying to be smart, now you're just playing into your stupidity too hard.

Anonymous at Thu, 1 Aug 2024 03:16:03 UTC No. 16305418

>>16305417
NPC lives on banter and relative positioning, is mad to be deprived of inputs to play off. Can't create.

Anonymous at Thu, 1 Aug 2024 03:16:53 UTC No. 16305420

>>16305418
>4:3 = 16:9
Funny
>4th square
Funny
>WAAHHH NPCCCCC!!!!!
Trite.

Anonymous at Thu, 1 Aug 2024 03:17:34 UTC No. 16305422

>>16305420
Still just rehashing and reflecting my inputs. Again, you're in my script.

Anonymous at Thu, 1 Aug 2024 03:18:00 UTC No. 16305423

>>16305422
>you're in my script.
Self confirming NPC? Have a nice night lol

Anonymous at Thu, 1 Aug 2024 03:19:42 UTC No. 16305426

>>16305423
I'm the player. The thing that has a basis "outside" and allows you to have non-deterministic output. Hence I write the script. I want to talk about the script? You will engage with me on that basis. I want to talk about something else? You will engage with me on that basis. You're a funhouse mirror.

Anonymous at Thu, 1 Aug 2024 03:20:18 UTC No. 16305428

>>16305408
>What you're talking about is how the universe tricks you into engaging with it in pointless ways

I see most people as NPCs but I still engage with them because why not play the game? If you're a prisoner banter with the prison guards and stike the bars and play games. Life is a fun prison nontheless.
And there's definitley some few people who are enlightened who stimulate you intellectualy and make great art that cleanses you and inspires you.

You don't believe everyone is a boring NPC right? if everyone is just (you) and everyone is just a boring NPC and there's all the evil in this world then what does that say about (you)?
Anyway cheers man, all the power you you, I believe a lot of what you're saying is just hippy new age BS but nothing wrong with that, I just hope that in your pragmatic life you do well and you don't let this stuff bother you or depress you.
I belive enlightened people are happy people and I hope you are happy.

Like if you're forced to play the game and wear shackles, at least look good while you're doing it and lift your head up with pride.

Anonymous at Thu, 1 Aug 2024 03:21:42 UTC No. 16305431

>>16305428
>reddit spacing this hard
>>>/r/eddit

Anonymous at Thu, 1 Aug 2024 03:26:38 UTC No. 16305435

>>16305431
What are your beleifs on enlightenment anon? the other anon writes some schizophrenic stuff but his grammar and paragraphing is good and all his writing is coherent.
He engages well with the flow of the argument which makes me think he's not completely misguided. What about you, what do you think?

Anonymous at Thu, 1 Aug 2024 03:27:22 UTC No. 16305436

>>16305435
you should've just started reading the schrodinger book instead of wasting your time on all this

Anonymous at Thu, 1 Aug 2024 03:29:21 UTC No. 16305437

>>16305435
This thread is about a schizophrenic yet testable idea that consciousness can control quantum mechanics.
This has never been demonstrated, and will never be, because it's not true.
You're off in the weeds schizoposting about enlightenment

Paragraph spacing is this, by the way, not double spacing every single line and letting 4chan linewrap your posts.
Is it so hard to press enter to break up long lines?

Anonymous at Thu, 1 Aug 2024 03:33:21 UTC No. 16305440

>>16305436
I'll get to it anon. Maybe I am not smart enough to get it. I don't read much. Any ineresting ideas you would like to share?

>>16305437
That's definitley some good spacing. I am not sure how to exactly do it though? you want to me to put double spaces only at the end of paragraphs?
But my writing isn't good enough to have clear paragraphs, it's very casual in tone. Yeah the enlightenemt talk is kinda off topic for the thread but like I am very interested in the subject and what other people, especially smarter people think.

Anonymous at Thu, 1 Aug 2024 03:34:48 UTC No. 16305442

>>16305440
>but like I am very interested in the subject and what other people, especially smarter people think.
Then start a thread about that instead of about quantum mechanics.
Also, see how every time you type "." you end a sentence? If you put a lot of those on one line, it gets harder to read, so just tap enter sometimes when you end one.
Makes it much easier to follow through.

Anonymous at Thu, 1 Aug 2024 03:38:04 UTC No. 16305445

>>16305442
I got some of that, will try to add more of it in my typing, thanks.
Anyway, yeah if you're OP I can see why would be upset that the thread got derailed. Hope you don't blame me for that.
Threads like these though are always destined to be kind of shitposty though, unless you start the OP with eoms really good effortpost.

Anonymous at Thu, 1 Aug 2024 03:41:55 UTC No. 16305446

>>16305445
Op was not me. He has a religious belief that requires him to have free will and true consciousness, so he complains when those seem to be violated by reality.
You on the other hand seem to think you're real, which is again impossible to prove, and then you go around imagining yourself as real, which is just egomania driven delusion.

Anonymous at Thu, 1 Aug 2024 03:42:55 UTC No. 16305447

>>16305446
>imagining yourself as real
*in a fake world

Anonymous at Thu, 1 Aug 2024 03:47:44 UTC No. 16305451

>>16305446
>You on the other hand seem to think you're real, which is again impossible to prove
All I know is that I think therefore I am. Is that good?
> free will and true consciousness, so he complains when those seem to be violated by reality
I don't know man, I think there are like a lot of opinions on the topic. By smart people from all angles.
It's just as much as dogmatic as OP to dimiss those notions and say they are violated by reality.

Anonymous at Thu, 1 Aug 2024 03:50:34 UTC No. 16305453

>>16305451
You claim to think, so do I know you are?

me:
>>seem to be violated by reality
OP:
>>smartest human being to ever live
OP dismisses anyone who disagrees with him as dumb out of the hat, and I say just that all known physics and quantum physics seem to violate his perspective.

Anonymous at Thu, 1 Aug 2024 03:55:25 UTC No. 16305458

>>16305453
>You claim to think, so do I know you are?
You don't have to know. The only thing you can know for certain is "I think therefore I am" as it applies to (you).
For everyone else is just a matter of goodwill of assuming they exist and are concious and worthy of compassion too.

>OP dismisses anyone who disagrees with him as dumb out of the hat,
He didn't call anyone else dumb, he just said that Von Neuman was one of the smartest people to evver exist, dont' know about smartest that's hard to quantify and he holds immaterialist views and a lot of other smartest people to ever live did too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXgqik6HXc0&t=1089s

Anonymous at Thu, 1 Aug 2024 03:58:12 UTC No. 16305461

>>16305451
>It's just as much as dogmatic as OP to dimiss those notions and say they are violated by reality.
It's not dogmantism so much as simple ignorance. The psychophysical (body and mind) are not "real" and they aren't what creates your base awareness, rather they're a proxy into the world, a vehicle, a vessel, a "garment". These days people have taken to calling them a "governor" or a "limiter". I call them a narrowing function personally, which is the most accurate conception of them. They're an energetic sink, a drain. The field created by the beating heart and reciprocal contractions of the circulatory system, along with the CO2 and NO flux which is determined by the pattern of breathing, creates some sort of vortex that traps your awareness inside the body.

The reason for all of this is to make reality believeable and engaging. That's it. That's all it is. The way this is done is braindead simple, it takes the ratio between your motor output and proprioceptive feedback and then caps your rate of perception and thought to that ratio, so that reality seems realtime and believeable. ie "real", when it isn't. That's the gist of it. In my case the illusion was eliminated due to compression + torsion of the brainstem and anterior cerebellum leading to alered consciousness and something resembling temporal lobe seizures and temporoparietal disruption. This leads to what is known as "Alice in Wonderland Syndrome". What's actually happening is that you have an invisible ball of light in the back right of your skull (corresponding to the right angular gyrus by default, you can move it around but that's where it prefers to be for whatever reason) and that's a core component of how you sync with the body. When you desync your perception from that motor output ratio I described earlier, your mind is free to run at full speed. It's like Neo in the matrix, only your body can't keep up. You send a signal to move and have to wait what seems like minutes.

Anonymous at Thu, 1 Aug 2024 04:01:58 UTC No. 16305467

>>16305461
And? what am I supposed to do with information?

Anonymous at Thu, 1 Aug 2024 04:08:13 UTC No. 16305471

>>16305461
I played paintball and actually did watch the balls fly by me in slow motion. Motion blur was eliminated, I could see what the unconscious mind does, which is basically everything. Isn't subject to flicker fusion or any of the other pointless bullshit that makes stuff like subliminals work. And so on.

Once you experience that and learn to separate from the body and mind, and find there is something immutable with you (ie is unaffected by physiological states) that apparently stems from outside space and time, then that's basically it. Illusion broken. Then you spend some years with doublethinking wanting it to be real, and maybe it's ELF transduction from planets or the brain is some sort of antenna and consciousness is still material but nonlocal or "diffuse" or "Collective" or being "projected" from the stars, and there is a bit of that, but your core "I" layer is apart from it. This opens the way for manipulating reality directly, on those base layers. For example if your body has been converted intoa torture chamber you're trapped within, well, the body isn't real. It just plain isn't. The mind, which is fed with inputs from the senses, also isn't real. They're mutable. ie not real. So you can exert "spirit over matter", which is distinct from mind, and simply will the torture to stop. Forcibly regenerate the body.

All of this attention, reaction, and engagement oriented court jester song and dance sensory reality has running just fades away. It's not real. You don't need to get sensory input and reify it, ie play along and submit to sensory reality, ie continue to get tortured. Because that's how "mechanistic reality" works, by "the law", which is actually consciousness itself, and not some other shit. But anyway. That's all a personal journey. If you want to run around the labyrinth that's one of the options available, and reality will happily help you do that.

>>16305467
See above.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MdAzl3sOwmY

Anonymous at Thu, 1 Aug 2024 04:24:48 UTC No. 16305478

>>16305471
>So you can exert "spirit over matter"

What does this translate to in real life? Is it just a state of zen and calmness? Anyway if it's personal journey then there's really nothing I can do with the information, I just have to continue living my life and hope something clicks.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYcoJpqCha4

Anonymous at Thu, 1 Aug 2024 04:29:34 UTC No. 16305483

>>16305478
>I just have to continue living my life and hope something clicks.
I think that's probably the gist of it. If it's ever needed some aspect of you will have some old thread to pull on, or perhaps weave into your own thing.

Anonymous at Thu, 1 Aug 2024 04:32:14 UTC No. 16305485

>>16305483
Well, I've been having trouble. The last 3 years have been the worst years of my life. I hope something clicks and saves me.
I have let go but not in a good sense just detachement from the world and everything.

Anonymous at Thu, 1 Aug 2024 09:53:30 UTC No. 16305677

>>16305059
>quantum collapse
Not compatible with the CTMU
>consciousness
Not compatible with the CTMU

Anonymous at Thu, 1 Aug 2024 11:46:15 UTC No. 16305747

>>16305677
Amathematical and therefore unscientific

Anonymous at Thu, 1 Aug 2024 11:59:13 UTC No. 16305756

>>16305747
Like don't get me wrong, it's interesting to read metaphysics by one of the most intelligent people alive, but it's just not a physics model

Anonymous at Thu, 1 Aug 2024 14:35:45 UTC No. 16305874

John von Neumann, a prominent mathematician and physicist, is known for his work on the foundations of quantum mechanics. In his 1932 book, Mathematical Foundations of Quantum Mechanics, he proposed that the act of measurement causes the wave function to collapse, and he suggested that this collapse occurs when a conscious observer perceives the outcome of a measurement. This idea is often referred to as the Von Neumann-Wigner interpretation of quantum mechanics, which posits that consciousness plays a crucial role in the collapse of the wave function.

However, this interpretation has been widely debated and is not the prevailing view in modern physics. Many scientists argue that the collapse of the wave function is a result of the interaction between the quantum system and the measuring apparatus, which can include photons, rather than requiring consciousness. This perspective aligns with the Copenhagen interpretation of quantum mechanics, which emphasizes the role of measurement without invoking consciousness.

Recent discussions in the field have explored the implications of consciousness in quantum mechanics, but the consensus remains that while von Neumann's ideas were influential, they are not widely accepted today. The collapse is generally understood to occur due to the measurement process itself, rather than the observer's consciousness.

Additional Insights

Integrated Information Theory: Some modern theories attempt to reconcile consciousness with quantum mechanics, such as integrated information theory, but these remain speculative and are not widely endorsed by the scientific community.
Criticism of Consciousness-Causes-Collapse: Many physicists find the idea that consciousness causes wave function collapse to be problematic and lacking empirical support. The majority of interpretations focus on physical processes rather than subjective experiences.

Does this help a bit lad

Anonymous at Thu, 1 Aug 2024 14:37:48 UTC No. 16305879

>>16305756
>Langan has claimed that the George W. Bush administration staged the 9/11 attacks in order to distract the public from learning about the CTMU
lmfao

Anonymous at Thu, 1 Aug 2024 14:38:00 UTC No. 16305881

Simplifying Ideas for Children

Von Neumann's wife reportedly remarked that he could explain his complex ideas in a way that even a five-year-old could understand. This ability is crucial for effective teaching and communication, especially in fields like mathematics and science, where concepts can often be abstract and difficult to grasp.

Use of Analogies: Von Neumann often employed analogies and relatable examples to make complex ideas more accessible. For instance, he might compare mathematical concepts to everyday experiences, helping children relate to the material.

Clear Language: He likely used straightforward language, avoiding jargon that could confuse young learners. This approach not only aids comprehension but also encourages curiosity and engagement.

Visual Aids: While not explicitly documented, using diagrams or visual representations is a common technique in teaching complex ideas, which von Neumann may have utilized.

Intelligence vs. Success

Von Neumann also expressed a profound understanding of intelligence and success. He famously stated that the "smartest individual" might not be someone like him, but rather "some man in a ditch with raw intellect." This statement reflects his belief that intelligence alone does not guarantee success. Several factors contribute to achieving success, including:

Opportunity: Access to education and resources can significantly impact one's ability to succeed.
Social Skills: Emotional intelligence and the ability to work with others are often as important as raw intellectual capability.
Persistence: The determination to overcome obstacles and continue learning plays a crucial role in achieving success.

This perspective highlights von Neumann's humility and recognition of the complexities of life beyond mere intelligence.
Conclusion

Anonymous at Thu, 1 Aug 2024 14:45:50 UTC No. 16305886

>>16305756
It is possible to consider the theory of thing, separate from the act of it. At the end of the day, there must be a physical, intelligible counter-part otherwise the application is just a black box that can't be scrutinized by any other means than philosophy or argument. Remember, it is SCSPL - self-configuring, self-processing language.
It is expected that we can use grammars and strings to sort of identify what is going on, but on their own, they are not sufficient. No book writes itself.

Anonymous at Thu, 1 Aug 2024 15:08:09 UTC No. 16305902

>>16305059
if it's supported by an argument, then the argument should be evaluated regardless of who said it.
if it's not supported by argument then it's bullshit regardless of who said it.

Anonymous at Thu, 1 Aug 2024 15:29:37 UTC No. 16305916

>>16305059
Is this photon in the room with us right now?

Anonymous at Thu, 1 Aug 2024 18:31:33 UTC No. 16306075

Well, what exactly do you or did VN mean when referring to consciousness?

At what point is an observation said to have been "made?" Is it once the light of the result hits the retina, or when its been ran through prior programs fed by knowledge retention, factors resulting from outside education, reason, or whatever systems are at work once we have successfully "observed" a phenomenon?

Does auditory information once recognized properly constitute an observation? Again, at what point in the "observation" can we be said to have performed a conscious action?

Most of our problems stem from scientists with little understanding of the philosophy of consciousness treating consciousness and observation as single variables, and not processes.

Anonymous at Thu, 1 Aug 2024 18:38:30 UTC No. 16306083

>>16306075
When something enters your conscious frame. When it returns to the unconscious (Earth itself) it stops being affected.

Anonymous at Thu, 1 Aug 2024 19:05:16 UTC No. 16306116

>>16306083
At what point is something said to have entered my conscious frame? Forget timescales, how robust need be the frame? Can a dementia patient cognize an event thoroughly enough to be counted as an observation? What about a hummingbird?

Anonymous at Thu, 1 Aug 2024 19:11:19 UTC No. 16306119

>>16306116
Your house is your mind. When are you aware of something? The entire Earth is your mind. When are you aware of something?

Anonymous at Thu, 1 Aug 2024 19:25:39 UTC No. 16306131

>>16306119
>When are you aware of something?
Which aspect? Partially aware, totally aware? It doesn't really make sense to say because awareness is a robust process and not a single event.

Anonymous at Thu, 1 Aug 2024 19:42:19 UTC No. 16306138

>>16306131
If you're capable of asking that question you know better than a need for an answer.

Anonymous at Thu, 1 Aug 2024 19:46:18 UTC No. 16306140

>>16306138
No, not really. At want point can I be said to have completed the necessary mental legwork to have observed?

Anonymous at Thu, 1 Aug 2024 19:55:32 UTC No. 16306150

>>16306140
You stop asking sensory reality and just do it yourself.

Anonymous at Thu, 1 Aug 2024 19:57:45 UTC No. 16306152

>>16306150
He's asking you because you're making the religious claim with no proof that quantum mechanics cares about what we call consciousness.
When pressed, you can't answer any specific questions about it because you don't know what you're talking about.

Anonymous at Thu, 1 Aug 2024 19:59:28 UTC No. 16306153

>>16306152
I've explained above. Read Neville Goddard or something.

>When pressed, you can't answer any specific questions about it because you don't know what you're talking about.
This is 5 year old "debate me bro" behavior. Anyone who's been on the internet for longer than 10 minutes recognizes that bait me for engagement trick. Gimme gimme.

Anonymous at Thu, 1 Aug 2024 20:00:43 UTC No. 16306154

>>16306150
That's fine, so long as I'm not making definitive statements about collapse or attempting to build a framework on a concept I can never hope to even scarcely understand. It all leads back to the problem with terms consciousness, observation, and collapse.

You can safely say that the physical science minds of the 20th century were the most epistemologically malnourished group to have tangoed with such results. Really a tragedy it fell into their laps.

Anonymous at Thu, 1 Aug 2024 20:01:50 UTC No. 16306157

>>16306153
>can you specify what you mean by consciousness?
>"it's when something enters our conscious frame"
Didn't answer the question, just repeated the claim in a different way.
>When can something be said to enter one's conscious frame?
>"Your house is your mind."
Totally unrelated schizopost.

It's not a debate, it's literally just asking for you to state your position.
You cannot state your position because it's literally just wishful thinking and cope rather than an actual grounded stance.
You could prove me wrong by simply stating your position.

Anonymous at Thu, 1 Aug 2024 20:05:24 UTC No. 16306163

>>16306154
>I'm not making definitive statements about collapse
>or attempting to build a framework on a concept I can never hope to even scarcely understand.
First part is right, second is wrong as it gets (submissive Abrahamic programming). You just need to have the question and keep working on it, do some trial and error, whatever. People like the other guy who;s responding to me aren't capable of doing this because they're social animals hypnotized and enslaved by sensory reality, addicted to it. It needs to talk to me, it needs its persona to whatever relative to me. It's an NPC, basically.

>>16306157
Using words like claim are a sign that you're religious. schizo etc shows again, you're a social animal which is neither willing nor able to do anything on its own. So it repetitively prompts and engages with others, and then tries to play off their output An NPC.

You are an NPC.

>You could prove me wrong by simply stating your position.
My poisition is that you are an NPC. A puppet. You exist to try to create and drain off emotions and attention from me, a player character.

Anonymous at Thu, 1 Aug 2024 20:07:45 UTC No. 16306165

>>16306163
Hello again, schizophrenic. >>>/x/
Does your script include any insults besides NPC, or is that the one you learned during an emotionally vulnerable time in your life so it's the only one you stick to?

Anonymous at Thu, 1 Aug 2024 20:10:14 UTC No. 16306169

>>16306165
You're told what you do over and over, but do it again.

>or is that the one you learned during an emotionally vulnerable time in your life so it's the only one you stick to?
This is a prompt, you're probing for something to work with. You want to udnerstand but you are unwilling to ask directly, nor will you posit and see how I react. Because you are a subset of me, within my script. You exist for me, because of me, for me, of me, the player character. And no matter how many times I try to break you from it you will not, and likely cannot. You cannot be other than you are.

Anonymous at Thu, 1 Aug 2024 20:10:27 UTC No. 16306170

>>16306163
>do some trial and error
Possible, I'm not saying thresholds for conscious activity will not correspond with quantifiable metrics for neural activity, and that we cannot someday gauge what it truly means to make an observation. I'm just saying its not now, and it surely wasn't then, yet here we are parroting the ideas of hopelessly uninformed due to their station.

Anonymous at Thu, 1 Aug 2024 20:11:15 UTC No. 16306171

>>16306170
>quantifiable metrics
Part of sensory reality.

Anonymous at Thu, 1 Aug 2024 20:13:18 UTC No. 16306172

>>16306169
Watch this, without saying much of anything I will prompt an entire paragraph reply from this preprogrammed schizophrenic. However, due to built-in contrarianism in the latest model of NPC, he will instead form a very short reply to this basic insult.

Anonymous at Thu, 1 Aug 2024 20:14:09 UTC No. 16306174

>>16306172
Dead end loosh farm. D-ELF for short.

Anonymous at Thu, 1 Aug 2024 20:14:35 UTC No. 16306175

>>16306171
Sure, and I'm glad you respect the noumenal/phenomenal distinction, but there is what we can safely say well enough to make predictions, and that's okay. Its all we've got and I'll take it, but we haven't even begun to work here.

Anonymous at Thu, 1 Aug 2024 20:16:38 UTC No. 16306177

>>16306174
With this proof of the contrarianism guaranteed to be built in to every new model of NPC, we also see the last word module firing on all cylenders.
A schizophrenic is GUARANTEED to hold the conversation as long as you want, just like ChatGPT it will always generate a reply to you, no matter what you post!
To end the conversation, you simply need to give the schizophrenic the last word, and their brain will instantly wipe all memory of your conversation and return to the default™ NPC state.

Anonymous at Thu, 1 Aug 2024 20:18:18 UTC No. 16306180

>>16306177
>With this proof of the contrarianism guaranteed to be built in to every new model of NPC, we also see the last word module firing on all cylenders.
That's correct. I am a prime number. I may even be the monad. You are a composite number, derivative. An NPC. Without my mind being present, you would not have novel or dynamic behavior.

Anonymous at Thu, 1 Aug 2024 20:21:32 UTC No. 16306184

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2. post about consciousness
3. post about the soul
or
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Anonymous at Thu, 1 Aug 2024 20:22:27 UTC No. 16306188

>>16306184
You are welcome.

Anonymous at Thu, 1 Aug 2024 20:30:36 UTC No. 16306192

>>16306184
>modules
Also to be clear, you're only using this word because I replayed Portal the other day and saw a "Gladys" gravestone yesterday, then thought GladOS. That combined with another "Wheatley" gravestone, along with the notion that that town and graveyard is basically computer generated, to move it into the unconscious mind (Earth) via the ball of light in the correct way. So in the day following, given that your daily life is scripted during sleep, several things occurred and were Portal themed, you being the latest. You're supposed to think this is apophenia, pareidolia, confirmation bias, perceptual filtering, and so on, when in reality it's simply how reality works. It's scripted, made, remade in realtime,a nd tweaked according to your pattern of attention. Probably the less people still alive to care about it, the more malleable it is in that moment. Which is why old graveyards are so readily alterable. Though the mandela effect shows it can be anything and it just wipes most people's memory.

Anonymous at Thu, 1 Aug 2024 20:32:37 UTC No. 16306194

>>16306192
And my post eneds with 192 because we were talking about 16:9 aspect ratio. 1920. And my prior post was >>16306180 1080.

Anonymous at Thu, 1 Aug 2024 20:37:43 UTC No. 16306199

>>16306192
Also don't bother to reply with the countercase. any belief you come up with, no matter how polarized and extreme, will gradually force its binary opposite into existence. Reality is designed to be believeable and not knowing is baked in. So there's literally nothing you can come up with that will definitively prove anything, nor will it be something I didn't come up with myself. You can't actually know, and that's another common defect in the NPC, always jumping from ship to ship, always needing an identity, and always telling themselves what they know.

Anything you come up with there will be a material explanation that comes into being. It's the way the labyrinth is designed.

Anonymous at Thu, 1 Aug 2024 20:38:44 UTC No. 16306200

>>16306199
There it is. 99, the end. You carry, and it all returns to nothing.

Anonymous at Thu, 1 Aug 2024 20:43:52 UTC No. 16306204

Sadly some models are starved for attention, but don't worry about abandoning it halfway through the conversation, it has no real qualia, only a simulacrum.

Anonymous at Thu, 1 Aug 2024 20:46:28 UTC No. 16306206

>>16306204
Agent Smith NPC Version.

Anonymous at Thu, 1 Aug 2024 20:56:42 UTC No. 16306210

>>16306204

Anonymous at Thu, 1 Aug 2024 21:12:55 UTC No. 16306226

>>16305677
Do people actually take that seriously?

Anonymous at Thu, 1 Aug 2024 21:19:45 UTC No. 16306236

>>16306226
People are NPCs. What they say they think is mutable.

Anonymous at Thu, 1 Aug 2024 21:23:50 UTC No. 16306240

Celebrating 33 instances of NPC behavior before I go.

Anonymous at Fri, 2 Aug 2024 05:27:02 UTC No. 16306644

>>16306226
>Do
Incompatible with the CTMU
>people
Incompatible with the CTMU
>actually
Incompatible with the CTMU
>take
Incompatible with the CTMU
>that
Incompatible with the CTMU
>seriously?
Incompatible with the CTMU

Anonymous at Fri, 2 Aug 2024 06:28:35 UTC No. 16306673

>>16305395
You're referring to the set of perfect squares, right? Your wording is confusing in it's vagaries and the other anon arguing with you is roasting you for it, can't you see?

Anonymous at Fri, 2 Aug 2024 06:31:01 UTC No. 16306675

>>16305426
That's patently ridiculous. You should be ashamed of yourself for subjecting denizens of this board to such irrational silliness.

Anonymous at Fri, 2 Aug 2024 06:36:37 UTC No. 16306678

>>16306644
Nooooo stop that!

Anonymous at Fri, 2 Aug 2024 07:42:46 UTC No. 16306718

>>16306678
god I fucking hate threads like this
both fucking sides act like retarded idiots
we KNOW what causes the wave collapse
and it's interaction
measurement/observation by definition requied interacting with tha particle and this causes the quantum wave collapse
thats literally it

Anonymous at Fri, 2 Aug 2024 08:46:03 UTC No. 16306755

>>16306718
>observation means interaction
>observing others means interacting with them
Cure for autism.

Anonymous at Fri, 2 Aug 2024 09:00:22 UTC No. 16306768

>>16306755
you're having a laugh but it's the major point of discussion that muh consciousness retards can't differentiate between observing something in everyday life at macro scale and observation at quantum level

Anonymous at Fri, 2 Aug 2024 09:25:06 UTC No. 16306797

>>16305881
>He famously stated that the "smartest individual" might not be someone like him, but rather "some man in a ditch with raw intellect."
Source?

Anonymous at Fri, 2 Aug 2024 09:32:05 UTC No. 16306801

>>16306797
chat gtp

Anonymous at Fri, 2 Aug 2024 11:58:42 UTC No. 16306922

Any "single world" interpretation is as short-sighted as geocentrism was.
You get all these epicycles upon epicycles, where the wavefunction becomes nonlocal and discontinous, just because you insist that everything happens inside this 3D Euclidean space? cringe.

Anonymous at Fri, 2 Aug 2024 18:26:26 UTC No. 16307393

>>16306675
You might be a player character too, just unaware of it.