Anonymous !4X8vLLNDE2 at Sat, 7 Sep 2024 09:44:28 UTC No. 16365564

>>16365289
I'm getting interviewd for an amazing PhD position in bioinformatics next week. It's one of the best projects in my region and I also have another interview coming up after it, also for an amazing project. WE ARE GONNA MAKE IT BROS.

Anonymous at Sat, 7 Sep 2024 10:03:57 UTC No. 16365607

>>16365564
I thought the same myself 3 years ago...

Anonymous at Sat, 7 Sep 2024 10:05:44 UTC No. 16365610

>>16365607
What happened?

Anonymous at Sat, 7 Sep 2024 10:17:53 UTC No. 16365626

>>16365610
Presumably xe got the PhD and then ended up unemployed/making McWagie money.

t. not that guy but PhD making McWagie money

Anonymous at Sat, 7 Sep 2024 10:19:46 UTC No. 16365627

Why the fuck do people keep getting PhDs? There are already too

Anonymous at Sat, 7 Sep 2024 10:22:45 UTC No. 16365631

>>16365626
PhD in what? My goal is to become a staff scientist at a research institute. Any tips?

Anonymous at Sat, 7 Sep 2024 11:27:42 UTC No. 16365711

>>16365564
I thought the exact same, let's see if it works out.
Quitting my 80k a year IT job to pursue it.

Anonymous at Sat, 7 Sep 2024 11:30:51 UTC No. 16365713

>>16365631
just keep thinking you're happily changing the world and you'll make it

Anonymous at Sat, 7 Sep 2024 11:32:55 UTC No. 16365714

>>16365711
>Quitting my 80k a year IT job to pursue it.
Good luck nigger. You gonna need it.

Anonymous at Sat, 7 Sep 2024 11:52:45 UTC No. 16365730

>>16365627
For midwits its ambition, for the smart ones it is lack of ambition

Anonymous at Sat, 7 Sep 2024 12:27:13 UTC No. 16365759

>>16365711
Good luck
>>16365713
I don't want to be naive but I also need some level optimism. Perhaps being slightly delusional is the winning mindset.

Anonymous at Sat, 7 Sep 2024 12:49:07 UTC No. 16365784

Was this anon right? I thought the requirements varied by state but I've never heard that you no longer needed experience. Big if true

Anonymous at Sat, 7 Sep 2024 15:19:51 UTC No. 16366010

>>16365784
what does registering as an engineer even do?
what's the point?

Anonymous at Sat, 7 Sep 2024 15:22:43 UTC No. 16366013

>>16366010
No shit Sherlock.

Talk normal fag.

Yayaya I am now building...

Anonymous at Sat, 7 Sep 2024 15:30:37 UTC No. 16366023

>>16366010
It allows you to legally stamp certain documents, essentially you approve them and take on the liability if anything goes wrong. To get to this, you have to take a test and apprentice, but it is a path for people to get guaranteed decent-paying work in light of the fact that so many of the existing people are aging out of the work force.

Anonymous at Sat, 7 Sep 2024 15:51:42 UTC No. 16366050

>>16366023
I had no idea engineers could get guaranteed work because I know too many unemployed engineers

Anonymous at Sat, 7 Sep 2024 17:50:55 UTC No. 16366182

>>16366050
This is isn't a BS-only sort of thing, nor is it a master's or something. It's something else entirely. While positions that really need FE are not typically the sexiest, they do still basically guarantee a job if you can swing it.

Anonymous at Sat, 7 Sep 2024 17:57:46 UTC No. 16366192

>>16365627
I have nothing else to do with my life and am l already financially set by virtue of the family I was born into. If I was not a messed up person, I would not have tried to do one and would probably have just done BS while having the full normal college experience, perhaps some 4+1 program at a prestigious school, gone into industry while maintaining relationships and been done with it. But I'm not normal, so only friends who live on the other side of the country and a PhD it is.

Anonymous at Sat, 7 Sep 2024 18:20:40 UTC No. 16366222

>>16365784
You still need the XP, but they no longer require you to wait 4 years to take the PE exam. Passing both shows your ready to get licensed out the box.

Anonymous at Sat, 7 Sep 2024 18:24:28 UTC No. 16366230

>>16366010
All kinds of shit. You are legally recognized by the state as an expert. Anything that gets built that isn’t single story residential? That’s a stampin’. Forensic engineering documents for court cases? That’s a stampin’. Pressure vessels? That’s a stampin’.

Even if you don’t stamp anything, companies will hire you because that means you can then “master” for junior engineers seeking their PE license.

Anonymous at Sat, 7 Sep 2024 18:31:03 UTC No. 16366243

>>16366192
Yeah, I was like that too. Just make sure that you like up something on the other side.

Anonymous at Sat, 7 Sep 2024 19:29:42 UTC No. 16366376

>wake up at the crack of 8:30
>coffee and breakfast as I dial into my first teams meeting at 9:00
>oh the IFC drawing set is ready for my review, neat
>fire up bluebeam
>couple mark ups, some keynotes are missing and they forgot to put material types on some of the piping. No biggie
>kick it back to the drafters
>watch a movie and eat lunch while I wait for them to make corrections
>bing!
>we picked up all your comments anon! Can we get this stamped and out to the customer today?!
>everything looks good
>stamp, stamp, stamp
>double copies for my own records
>take my last teams meeting at my local dive bar while I sip a pint
>time card time, full 10 hours because I’m being billed out at 50 a week lol

Ahhhh, what a life

Anonymous at Sat, 7 Sep 2024 20:53:53 UTC No. 16366540

I wish I could redo my life.

Anonymous at Sat, 7 Sep 2024 21:01:42 UTC No. 16366554

How difficult is it to get some government job with a physics PhD and how bad is the pay? I just want something low stress that will pay for a house, kids, and a little bit of travel.

Anonymous at Sat, 7 Sep 2024 21:24:32 UTC No. 16366592

>>16365627
That is how you learn research and also study a niche in depth. It is also better to do anoither 4 - 5 years diong a PhD then to be unemploed, leaving a gaping hole in your CV.

Anonymous at Sat, 7 Sep 2024 21:38:56 UTC No. 16366606

>>16366540
Me too but I think I'm going to start meditation or something. My attachment to my own idea of how things "should" have turned out has been a great cause of suffering in my life.

>>16365610
I left a highly remunerated and easy job to do a PhD which so far has been fairly thankless and caused a huge resurgence of anxiety in my life. But it couldn't have been any other way, I was not amenable to reason when I was trying to get onto a PhD, I felt like my inability to spin my academic success into a "prestigious" PhD position reflected as some kind of failure on me. I should have been taking proactive and courageous steps to becoming more like myself and less like the idea I had of myself in my head.

The mind is so complex when you're based - lil b

Anonymous at Sat, 7 Sep 2024 23:01:41 UTC No. 16366786

>>16366606
>courageous steps to becoming more like myself and less like the idea I had of myself in my head.
Are you happy where you are now? I'm going for a PhD this winter semester. It's the only thing I'm looking forward too. From what I've gathered from anons they mostly have troubles in gradschool due to unresolved personal issues like you mentioned. I hope that I don't discover some of mine.

Anonymous at Sat, 7 Sep 2024 23:10:19 UTC No. 16366816

>>16366554
The trick to government jobs is taking literally any GS position you can get and then lateraling after a year. Most government positions are only available to current government workers. Retarded, but it’s the government. GS pay isn’t bad. Isn’t great either. With a PhD you’ll cap out at GS 15 at probably $140k but don’t expect to hit that for at least 5-8 years. You’ll probably start out at 12 which is like $90k

Anonymous at Sat, 7 Sep 2024 23:38:10 UTC No. 16366874

>>16366540
I think a very large percentage of people do. At least you did not end up addicted to substances.

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 00:01:47 UTC No. 16366906

>>16366874
I’d do a few things different by general trajectory would’ve remained the same

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 00:06:00 UTC No. 16366914

>>16366906
Personally, I feel like if I could have made just one change everything would have turned out better. The whole not-even-once things might be cope though and I would have just done it later anyway.

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 01:18:05 UTC No. 16367138

WFH is turning me into an alcoholic. I have all my work done by noon and I’m crushing a box of wine at 3pm for my close out teams meeting. I legit need to go back to the office. Send help.

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 02:52:15 UTC No. 16367329

>>16366874
I was an alcoholic for a little while but I somehow was able to quit thankfully.

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 03:09:13 UTC No. 16367348

I have a relative who is entering middle school whose parents want to get him into a magnet high school and more importantly a high-ranking STEM uni afterwards. They've asked me for advice since I have a similar background.

For math/CS, my sense is that the best thing to do is to train and perform very well in one of USAMO/USACO/ISEF---I'm not really sure what the best way to train a child so they can do well in one of these things is though. They tried putting him in an AOPS class (for competitive math) but he just sat in the back, didn't ask or answer many questions, and didn't do very well. What should the game plan be?

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 03:17:15 UTC No. 16367354

>>16367348
Show him that he can actually do cool and interesting things with the knowledge he would gain

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 03:20:55 UTC No. 16367365

>>16367329
I am the guy who posts here all the time about being an ex-drug addict. I am now doing a PhD. I just cope by telling myself that it could be much worse and I could have never quit and actually died, but it also could have been much better if I had never gotten addicted, you know.

>>16367348
Address exactly those things should help and not having that attitude will serve him much more than actually getting into those right now. That has to be addressed first. I would recommend tackling it head on without getting mad at him, just guilt trip him with how bad HIS life will be otherwise or something and tell him you understand constantly. There is a right way to manipulate people into thinking your guilt trip was really their idea. Manipulation is key here and they clearly know what is best for him far better than he does (as is to be expected in 6th grade).

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 07:38:20 UTC No. 16367590

>>16367348
Maybe he doesn't want to do a bunch of gay math shit?
Maybe he wants to be a rapper with a giant tattoo on his face. Ever think of that?

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 07:43:12 UTC No. 16367599

>>16366786
The biggest thing is just learning to accept life as it is, my whole life I motivated myself by saying "ok this sucks but then when I get/do/achieve this thing I'll suddenly be happy, have an active social life, stop feeling anxious all the time" and there's only so long you can keep that going before you realise you're almost 30 and have lived like a caged animal most of your life. It's trite but you've got to enjoy the journey.

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 07:49:00 UTC No. 16367608

>>16367348
Show them these threads, they'll soon change their mind on the whole STEM meme

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 09:15:03 UTC No. 16367717

>>16366376
What's your job title and how did you land this job? Sounds like a cruisey life.

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 10:46:37 UTC No. 16367818

>>16366554
With a PhD you can easily get a well paid job at the USPTO.

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 10:52:26 UTC No. 16367826

>>16366540
A common feeling among people who late in life discover they had Asperger's all along.

>>16366786
>From what I've gathered from anons they mostly have troubles in gradschool due to unresolved personal issues
NTA but PhD studies are though and most will at some point fear they have not made sufficient progress to pass.
We will nevertheless all make it, anon.

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 11:17:30 UTC No. 16367861

>>16366786
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-03761-3

It is well-documented that mental health issues are much more prevalent among PhDs (and postdocs) than professionals. I don't think all of that can be explained away as grad schools just selecting the freaks, especially when the surveys generally point out specific causes in academia. Namely: bad pay, uncertain future, pressure to perform, job that bleeds into your free time and always demands more.

>>16367348
You can lead a horse to water but you can't force it to drink.

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 11:35:31 UTC No. 16367889

>>16367348
>I have a relative who is entering middle school whose parents want to get him into a magnet high school and more importantly a high-ranking STEM uni afterwards.
recipe for a life of unhappiness
>but he just sat in the back, didn't ask or answer many questions, and didn't do very well
clearly he does not want this

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 11:38:01 UTC No. 16367893

>>16367861
>bad pay, uncertain future, pressure to perform, job that bleeds into your free time and always demands more.
With the exception of the pay, you will find all of those things also in the software industry.

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 11:42:50 UTC No. 16367901

>Math professors are literally selling trash bags and toilet papers in 2024

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 11:55:02 UTC No. 16367920

>>16367893
I'm sure industries also have their downsides. And academia does have certain upsides absent from industry. But the point was, struggling in academia is too general a phenomenon to just chalk down to unresolved issues of anons in these threads. While everyone struggles to some extent, there is a clear difference between early-career academia and "normal" jobs.

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 11:58:08 UTC No. 16367927

>>16367901
I was gonna say something about youtubers not being professors but turns out that guy is an actual professor.

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 12:08:05 UTC No. 16367939

>>16367893
I found I was more free doing my research software engineer job than doing my PhD for the simple reasons that

1. It's easier to set boundaries at work, they have well documented procedures for taking time off. For instance my supervisor regularly works on christmas day (!) and has not taken a week off in about two years. It kind of sets a precent for being always "on" in a way working in industry never did.
2. I did not associate the success of my work projects with my own success. It's a lot easier to not take the ups and downs so personally at work since you usually work as part of an organisation and not as just one guy

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 12:18:36 UTC No. 16367956

I suppose I should have said there are complex ideas in my mind far more than what I have expressed here already. But I can't sense so I don't know if they're more complex than this itself, but I'd hazard a guess and apply much much more.

I guess it's by my sheer ability to build anything at AAA or SSS quality.

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 12:22:03 UTC No. 16367964

>>16367956
And chemicals. And math. And all other things. All complete. All able. All AAA or SSS. And I'm sort of seeped in the thought of that having complex ideas.

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 12:24:36 UTC No. 16367969

>>16367964
I've done hands as well and abstract shit you think of since I can just make uploads of anything.

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 12:25:36 UTC No. 16367971

>>16367969
>>16367969
I can do it with my ring.

Which should answer your question.

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 12:59:38 UTC No. 16368013

How many of you are selfemployed or have thought about it? Because it seems like a good way to just bypass the woke HR maffia completely.

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 13:12:15 UTC No. 16368036

>>16367920
>there is a clear difference between early-career academia and "normal" jobs.
Definitely, a PhD study is intense. >>16367920
I was cloe to being burned out towards the end.

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 20:01:09 UTC No. 16368592

>>16367348
He seems either too stupid or too uninterested to be worth helping. Just let him have fun and get a job as a mechanic or something once he's old enough. Why overcomplicate his life like this?

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 20:09:43 UTC No. 16368612

>>16368013
I have my own one man band design firm I side hustle with but I can’t do enough business to make it worth going full time. Fucking health insurance man.

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 20:12:15 UTC No. 16368616

Got cold approached by a professor through e-mail, offering a non-pajeet scam PhD position because of a paper I published as an undergrad.
Feels good. WAGMI bros.

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 20:16:09 UTC No. 16368622

>>16367717
Senior Mechanical Engineer

I cubicle slaved at 2 different design firms for 5 years and did a stint as a field engineer for another 3 before picking up my PE. Timing was perfect because that’s when COVID hit and everything shifted to WFH. I shit you not, as soon as I put those letters next to my name on LinkedIn my profile blew the fuck up and I started getting recruiters up my ass 2-3 times a month. I bided my time because I knew a fully remote gig was possible and 4 months later, I caught the right opportunity.

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 20:48:14 UTC No. 16368671

>>16367920
This. Early career basically demands that you work the equivalent of two full time jobs do the bare minimum of what your older peers and admins will accept - because they're assholes who expect you to 'take one for the team'.

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 21:53:08 UTC No. 16368780

>fell for the STEM meme solely because it was accepted that I do something "intellectual" with my life to not be seen as disgusting or worthless by my closest relatives

i hate engineering so fucking much

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 22:01:06 UTC No. 16368791

>>16368780
>he didn’t know engineering is mostly 120 IQ bro dudes that design nickle dime bullshit and get drunk at conferences twice a year

Grim

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 22:56:56 UTC No. 16368864

whatever
fuck yall

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 23:28:43 UTC No. 16368903

>>16366816
I have a physics PhD and the YOE in the government. Where should I lateral to? I'm starting to get tired of my current place.

>t. /sci/ told me to get a physics degree 15 years ago

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 23:29:19 UTC No. 16368905

>>16368780
>intellectual
>engineering
Its not too late anon, switch to math or physics while you still can!

Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 23:37:14 UTC No. 16368919

Just completed my first year of a geology degree and I've basically had to accept that I'm legitimately low IQ because it was mostly hard math, physics/chemistry shit and I really struggled badly. I mean I passed everything but my scores weren't all the best. If I do achieve this degree I'm not going to be able to do a job in it, I can see myself working poverty retard jobs for the rest of my life.

Anonymous at Mon, 9 Sep 2024 00:19:21 UTC No. 16368980

>>16368905
Too dumb for those. This was basically as low as I could go whilst still being "accepted" by those around me.
>tfw born retarded to family of high iqs
hate it

Anonymous at Mon, 9 Sep 2024 01:03:58 UTC No. 16369023

>>16365627
You need a PhD to work as an industrial biologist or chemist without hitting a glass ceiling after like 2 years.

Anonymous at Mon, 9 Sep 2024 01:08:28 UTC No. 16369034

tired of yall

Anonymous at Mon, 9 Sep 2024 01:30:04 UTC No. 16369064

>>16368919
Some people might call you dumb but even if that's true I respect you for not giving up. I wish I could say the same for myself.

Anonymous at Mon, 9 Sep 2024 01:32:07 UTC No. 16369068

>>16368903
>t. /sci/ told me to get a physics degree 15 years ago
I know that feel, bro.

Anonymous at Mon, 9 Sep 2024 02:29:43 UTC No. 16369123

>>16368919
Keep trying and just accept that you're going to have to work your butt off if you want it. I nearly failed out of my engineering degree before I turned shit around.

Anonymous at Mon, 9 Sep 2024 03:13:03 UTC No. 16369155

Just looked up the first year curriculum of a geology degree, I could get this degree in my sleep wtf

Anonymous at Mon, 9 Sep 2024 03:21:03 UTC No. 16369160

>>16369155
some people are dumb, that's just how it is unfortunately. Hope fully widely available IQ improvement therapies become an option in our lifetimes.

Anonymous at Mon, 9 Sep 2024 04:46:00 UTC No. 16369222

>>16365289
>go to lab to check up on plants
>They're all dead
>talk to carer, get some information when they keeled over
>check roots, no hairs
>weird
>inform professor
>well anon that doesn't make a lick of sense, I guess you can just head home now
>get paid for a day's worth of work for just 20 minutes of my time
Plant biotech chads literally cannot stop winning

ugly fag at Mon, 9 Sep 2024 05:27:58 UTC No. 16369244

Fellas, is mechatronics a meme, or is
concrete discipline? From what I can tell, in my country it's treated like the master-of-all-trades-jack-of-none diploma, but people in America/the UK treat it as some kind of multi-disciplinary specialty vaguely associated with creating robots aligned with utopian futuristic ideals.

Anonymous at Mon, 9 Sep 2024 05:30:34 UTC No. 16369248

I'm an EE Master's student currently applying for internships, but I'm interested in potentially getting a Ph.D after finishing my masters. I would be applying in a full year from now. For the summer, would you guys suggest spending the summer to do more research with a professor, or instead go for an internship? If it makes a difference, the places I have offers from are FFRDCs, so there would be some research aspect to it, just applied instead of theoretical.

Anonymous at Mon, 9 Sep 2024 11:59:42 UTC No. 16369568

is a PhD useful for a computer science major?

Anonymous at Mon, 9 Sep 2024 13:32:48 UTC No. 16369712

>>16369248
It depends on what you want to do. I just started my EE PhD after doing a separate master's. The summer between I worked for a private corporation, but essentially doing research-adjacent stuff because I am hyper-specialized, not generalist. If you are similar, look into the breadth of positions available in industry.

Anonymous at Mon, 9 Sep 2024 17:35:33 UTC No. 16370016

>day 253 of unemployment
Ok, this is epic

Anonymous at Mon, 9 Sep 2024 17:39:24 UTC No. 16370025

>>16370016
better than having a random IT job where your degree wasn't useful

Anonymous at Mon, 9 Sep 2024 17:46:15 UTC No. 16370038

>>16370025
Anything, absolutely anything is better than tier 1 help desk

Anonymous at Mon, 9 Sep 2024 17:50:05 UTC No. 16370048

>>16370038
it's also better to be unemployed than some mid tier IT cloud engineer for 60k at some soulless mid tier company.

Anonymous at Mon, 9 Sep 2024 20:57:45 UTC No. 16370426

>quit job of 8 years
>lots of travel + night shifts, was affecting health and I was kind of OVER IT
>month or two later, bossman offers me job back except there will be zero travel, zero night shifts
>just office work
>says there's no expectation of a long term commitment, if I join and eventually leave again, no big deal
>been out of work for 3 months getting my health in order first, haven't even started looking for jobs but I might
>my skills are kind of niche so unless I move it may be hard to get a great job again
not sure what to do desu. It'd feel wrong to join up just to get a paycheck (but do good work ofc) and know I'm trying to leave...or even change careers completely. Feel like it would be too late to shift into CS at my stage in life, though.
t. chem eng

Anonymous at Mon, 9 Sep 2024 21:34:49 UTC No. 16370526

>>16370426
>It'd feel wrong to join up just to get a paycheck (but do good work ofc) and know I'm trying to leave

Why? For all the bullshit, everybody knows that the paycheck is why you do the job at the end of the day. It sounds like your boss is even explicitly saying it's fine to not commit.

If the job was fucking you up and you got your health in order that's perfectly fair grounds to leave and good on you for looking after yourself. But the worst bits have been picked out and hopefully it won't mess with your health anymore.

You've been 3 months out of employment and haven't even looked for a job, you're at risk of having a CV gap or being driven to where you need to take a sub-optimal offer. Especially because it sounds like you want to apply for jobs you aren't a shoe-in for. If you're working the job you already know you can do, you will at least be in a much safer position to apply for jobs that are more of a stretch and can afford to take your time to look for the job you really want.

Maybe you really hated your former job or something but this kind of seems like a no-brainer to me.

Anonymous at Mon, 9 Sep 2024 21:47:39 UTC No. 16370546

>>16370526
you make good points. I feel like the other guys my age there would be a little jelly I don't have to travel and one might up and quit if I accept it. But it's such a small company the bossman probably talked about this with them before even offering it to me...man, we'll see.
It is a bit of a nobrainer though. thx fren.

Anonymous at Mon, 9 Sep 2024 23:56:35 UTC No. 16370788

why should I not take a math phd?
it's not like I can get a decent job

Jonathan Macintosh !!p0U1i5L/b8U at Tue, 10 Sep 2024 00:10:42 UTC No. 16370806

I'm the one who posted in >>16356473. Please check that post for context.

I've been asked by the principal investigator to meet with him in his lab tomorrow. As I don't have much direct experience or extensive knowledge in this field, how should I prepare for this meeting? What topics might he discuss with me? Thanks!

Anonymous at Tue, 10 Sep 2024 11:37:22 UTC No. 16371972

I’ve seen differing opinions, but what’s better for your second recommendation letter? I’ve worked closely with a postdoc who can probably write a more personalized letter of me as a person, but I’ve also worked a little bit with a guy who’s the head of an institute who can vouch for my work/science. The postdoc is my co-supervisor for my master’s and the institute guy is the head of a collaboration of which my work is a part of. There’s also another professor who’s kind of an in-between of both of them

Anonymous at Tue, 10 Sep 2024 11:40:41 UTC No. 16371980

>>16365289
Why is this allowed on /sci/ when it belongs on /advice/
Do your fucking job jannies

Anonymous at Tue, 10 Sep 2024 12:00:02 UTC No. 16372010

>>16371980
It is allowed by tradition and exception, Had you read the FAQ you would have seen this explained. It was not straightforward, but this has now been permitted to run for just under 4 years.

Anonymous at Tue, 10 Sep 2024 12:04:15 UTC No. 16372018

>>16371980
Did you travel in time to this venue from when other rules were in place?

Anonymous at Tue, 10 Sep 2024 12:22:46 UTC No. 16372044

EE interested in electromagnetics, should I bank on optics or stick with antennas/microwave. I think the forner is more interesting but ideally do not want to live in California, Arizona or Florida

Anonymous at Tue, 10 Sep 2024 13:30:17 UTC No. 16372177

>>16372044
Antennas are where the money is at of those since you can get jobs at FAANGs that touch on hardware, like Apple, for mind boggling pay (I know someone who started with a FAANG in California after his PhD for over $200k salary). If you like optics better though, that might be a consideration I suppose.

Anonymous at Tue, 10 Sep 2024 15:27:48 UTC No. 16372350

Why the fuck did I do a math PhD? Now I am unemployable.

Anonymous at Tue, 10 Sep 2024 17:15:02 UTC No. 16372588

>>16372350
can we stop with this boring meme
ok, one autistic guy got a math phd and instead of getting a job he started posting about it here, that's literally it

Anonymous at Tue, 10 Sep 2024 17:22:12 UTC No. 16372602

>>16372588
One good about war is it's very good food for thought.

Anonymous at Tue, 10 Sep 2024 19:08:17 UTC No. 16372863

I just had an interview for a job I was really excited about, but when the interviewer asked me "how do think your coworkers perceive you / how do you show you care?" I mentioned that I'm "really not the kind of guy who goes from cubicle to cubicle trying to chit/chat with coworkers", but that I try to live according to the principle of "be useful" by extending my hand when I see coworkers being overwhelmed with work / going out of my way to make the overall burden of work lighter, especially via automation, etc. "It's important to me that they know I'm a team player".
It got me thinking: Is that first part of my thought, which carries the sentiment of "I don't really want to chit chat with (potentially interpreted as get to know) my coworkers" perceived negatively or positively?
It's not that I don't care about my coworkers, it's just that I find I'm often too busy anyways to want to distract myself by conversation, and I tried to communicate this as well. I'm not a sperg who hates getting to know people and rather enjoy getting to know my coworkers, it's just that it hasn't happened during my free time.
I told my current boss this and I feel like she was almost offended that I didn't view people as family, and specifically said "how important" it is that I interact with coworkers in a more relaxed way

Anonymous at Tue, 10 Sep 2024 19:16:06 UTC No. 16372883

>>16370806
1. When in doubt, read some of the PI's papers in the stuff that they're publicly interested in. That will not only give you the ability to kiss up if it's really necessary (don't), but also show that you generally give a shit enough to do your homework and that your interests are aligned with what they're most likely getting funded for

2. If there are opportunities to apply for grants at your college, doing so will make it much easier to get in than asking the PI to pay you. There was a great program at my university that was competitive but awarded be $4k twice to do research in a topic / with a mentor of my choice for two summers. Once I worked for him for a few months, he hired me on as a dedicated lab staff and I led my own projects from there. Winning your own grants shows that you're capable of more than just washing dishes, and specifically of question / problem formulation and being more of a bona fide scientist. Getting the grant means you only need someone to sponsor you, and they get an extra researcher with no strings attached (for as long as the grant lasts), making it way easier to get in and prove your mettle. You just need to make sure that you have a relatively kickass proposal to guarantee funding, and make sure you get peer-reviewed, preferably from grad students in that professor's lab.

3. In fact, don't mention pay at all unless you've already been paid for research up to this point, or if you're saying that you're able to go without pay. You're better off getting in as a volunteer until you know your way around enough to do your own research and proposal, after which payment becomes easier. This is a MUCH worse option than point #2.

Anonymous at Tue, 10 Sep 2024 19:18:05 UTC No. 16372887

>>16372883
You most likely have already had this conversation but hopefully this is still helpful. If it went well, hopefully you have a plan now to move forward. If not, I recommend pursuing step #2 in the meantime and, if that's successful, re-visiting with the professor with a more detailed plan.

Anonymous at Tue, 10 Sep 2024 20:03:12 UTC No. 16372999

back in college I had an elderly political science professor who had taught in the 1960s, and he told me that he grew to hate recreational drugs like speed because they wrecked some of his best students. he said that he had students tell him about how they had all these genius ideas while they were high, they'd tell him, "we hear things more beautiful than Mozart. we think of things more brilliant than Plato."

and he'd reply, "Write it down."

in other words, these students' grand ideas were actually nonsense that only seemed "brilliant" to them because they were so high, and if they actually wrote down the ideas, they'd sober up later and review the material and realize it was nuts.

Anonymous at Tue, 10 Sep 2024 20:05:39 UTC No. 16373005

>>16372999
Simple ones.

Anonymous at Tue, 10 Sep 2024 20:29:21 UTC No. 16373064

>>16369244
Memes.only exist as memes by dint
of their utility. If your degree has some utility, it is a meme degree by definition.

Anonymous at Tue, 10 Sep 2024 21:21:20 UTC No. 16373177

I can't decide on a degree. Everyone says CS is the best but I feel like it will implode in demand because of AI.
But I already invested so much of my time into learning programming, and I like computers.
I don't know what I want to do. I felt like maybe an agriculture degree since I want to have a homestead and grow my own food, but that goal seems distant and people on youtube say agriculture degrees are bad.

Anonymous at Tue, 10 Sep 2024 21:43:56 UTC No. 16373232

>>16373177
You could make the same argument for plenty of degrees, but that itself shouldn't scare you off.
That being said, there may be value in pursuing a technical degree that will be complemented by programming but isn't programming itself.
Electrical, chemical, mechanical engineering are great examples of fields where you'd have practical education and marketable end-results but also in which you will be greatly benefitted by having a programming background.
An agricultural degree is fine I guess, but you can learn the basics of homesteading outside of work. Focus your education on something that will make you enough money.

Anonymous at Wed, 11 Sep 2024 00:55:34 UTC No. 16373513

>>16372999
What a stupid post.

Anonymous at Wed, 11 Sep 2024 05:54:02 UTC No. 16373755

>>16373232
I went with electrical engineering. Thanks.

Anonymous at Wed, 11 Sep 2024 06:25:32 UTC No. 16373785

What math and science should I study before I start electrical engineering? Its been quite a while since I did any of either, and being prepared seems wise.

Anonymous at Wed, 11 Sep 2024 06:26:32 UTC No. 16373786

>>16373785
To be clear: self study before school starts

Anonymous at Wed, 11 Sep 2024 11:25:58 UTC No. 16374037

>>16369160
>>16368919
you could say that
*heh*
he's dumb as a rock
>>16371972
I send all four of my reference letters even when only 2 are required, flexing on them HR roasties.

if you are a pussy and need to choose, go for the department head IF you are sure he will vouch for you and he has at least a vague idea of what you did (they will call him and ask questions).

Anonymous at Wed, 11 Sep 2024 15:04:42 UTC No. 16374320

Does anyone here work in the renewable energy sector? How did you get in? What do you do exactly?

Anonymous at Wed, 11 Sep 2024 22:16:38 UTC No. 16374989

I will never feel like a real researcher.

I think impostor syndrome is a concept that arose because many people actually are just shit at what they do.

Anonymous at Thu, 12 Sep 2024 01:05:24 UTC No. 16375266

>>16373785
I got back up to speed on my Calculus and physics before I started my EE UG as I also had a gap. You will also need to do a basic chemistry class once relative early into your degree plan if this is America, so you may want to look into that. I know I had zero chemistry knowledge when I started. If you work hard it will be fine though. My class rank ended up being 1 in that class because most people in chem classes are pre-meds (not typically the most autistic tools in the shed).

Anonymous at Thu, 12 Sep 2024 01:20:22 UTC No. 16375291

>>16375266
I did ap chem 1 and 2 in hs so im probably covered. My gap between my AA and now starting my BS has been seven years.

Anonymous at Thu, 12 Sep 2024 01:47:28 UTC No. 16375313

>>16375291
Much better position than me then. I'll just say physics classes took me a LOT more work than anything pure-math. I even took a math double major, so got the proofs-based math classes and those were a breeze compared to even the equivalent of AP Physics C/3, let alone stuff like emag later on.

Anonymous at Thu, 12 Sep 2024 07:50:24 UTC No. 16375712

>>16374989
>many people actually are just shit at what they do.
Why, of course! Yet they are absolutely brilliant in explaining away all their failures and supreme in blaming everyone else for their shortcomings and abject failures. It is, somehow, always someone elses fault for everything that goes wrong.

Anonymous at Thu, 12 Sep 2024 11:40:21 UTC No. 16376733

I'm straight up just having claude write my code, thesis, personal website, job applications. How much longer until it can just live my fucked up incel life for me?

Anonymous at Thu, 12 Sep 2024 11:41:31 UTC No. 16376737

>>16375712
It is actually true in my case that its someone elses fault I am a victim of academic gang stalking

Anonymous at Thu, 12 Sep 2024 12:51:36 UTC No. 16376877

How do I exit the post-phd depression? INB4 get a job.

Anonymous at Thu, 12 Sep 2024 14:21:54 UTC No. 16376972

>>16376877
Learn to enjoy the moment and remember that you have no pressure now (other than getting that job, but that is not too hard). Take a walk, enjoy the scenery, read a book that is not a textbook in your field, enjoy some music.
Life is good, enjoy.

Anonymous at Thu, 12 Sep 2024 14:34:33 UTC No. 16376989

what percentage of stem degrees have to do a PhD afterwards?
why don't rich stem guys have PhDs?

Anonymous at Thu, 12 Sep 2024 15:13:44 UTC No. 16377054

>>16376989
It depends on the job, but anecdotally, the one ultra rich STEM guy I knew growing up was a PhD who hit it big in pharma. All of the other PhDs we knew were far poorer than my family headed by a business UG saleman.

Anonymous at Thu, 12 Sep 2024 15:17:51 UTC No. 16377060

Why didn't I go into the humanities instead? Why STEM?

Anonymous at Thu, 12 Sep 2024 15:44:41 UTC No. 16377125

>>16365289
Are there any math/CS related careers that don't require you to be on the computer all day? I'm sick of staring at a screen. I'll be graduating with a Masters in math soon and I have no clear career prospects.

Anonymous at Thu, 12 Sep 2024 16:16:50 UTC No. 16377177

I want to quit the CS/ML rat race asap.
Getting rejected left and right despite having big tech research internships.
and coming from a T20 school worldwide. It always feels like it's never enough. Europe companies pay like shit, US companies never reply, have to work in Japan but I will never assimilate here so I want out.

Just today I finally got a positive response for a job at a startup that will inevitably turn into a unicorn.the position is highly seeked I had to sign an NDA to not divulgate the assessment questions.

I opened it today... It will literally take me an entire month to complete everything, and you can literally see other candidates attempting the questions live. Looked up some of the names and you've got kids coming out of undergrad with 6 published papers, others are 1st year PhDs that somehow got into reviewer commitees of ML conferences, etc. So even if I did attempt the assessment, by the time it's done, the most likely scenario is either someone finished weeks ago already, or finished around the same time but has 10x the credentials.

What the fuck is going on? Obviously these motherfuckers aren't world class researchers, I refuse to believe some guy who just barely got out of undergrad has made any impact in the machine learning research world despite having about 12 papers total including preprints. I only have one project, it's very good but took me at least 6 months to fully develop, and in fact it was so good that the company refused to let me publish it.

Don't even get me started on PhD admissions, there is nothing less meritocratic than top tier school PhD programs, and there is nothing more useless than mid to low tier schools PhD programs. who do you see teaching at MIT? Popsci retards like lex fridman with dogshit research rambling about AGI.

Incredible really, what this field has become. I just want to switch career completely for something like systems engineering but I just got out of my masters in EECS... Fuck.

Anonymous at Thu, 12 Sep 2024 16:35:37 UTC No. 16377199

I will start my PhD in theoretical particle physics in October. I will work hard to have a paper to present at the big conference next year and I will secure an awesome postdoc position. I will do my best!

Anonymous at Thu, 12 Sep 2024 16:44:57 UTC No. 16377215

>>16365289
Currently in my first semester in college after a decade military and having to use stepping stones since I never took any for of standardized testing.
Got into an Electrical Engineering Tech. degree at a local college and all the courses taken are also necessary for an Electrical Engineering degree, which is what I'd like to go for.

If I go through and do well in the Electrical classes as well as Physics+Math will I be setting myself up well to transfer over to a better program?

Anonymous at Thu, 12 Sep 2024 16:48:03 UTC No. 16377220

>>16377125
Teaching?

Anonymous at Thu, 12 Sep 2024 17:02:28 UTC No. 16377239

>>16377199
Good luck. I hope you make it.

Anonymous at Thu, 12 Sep 2024 19:23:25 UTC No. 16377415

>>16373755
>I went with electrical engineering.
You will not regret that. CS is super saturated and the job market is a selection of slave ships.

Anonymous at Thu, 12 Sep 2024 19:25:07 UTC No. 16377417

Can you get a job with a physics degree and no masters?

Anonymous at Thu, 12 Sep 2024 19:30:52 UTC No. 16377427

>>16374320
OK, mostly since you didn't get a reply so far...
>Does anyone here work in the renewable energy sector?
I do some consulting
>How did you get in?
Network
>What do you do exactly?
I am a patent attorney, and some of my clients work in solar and wind power. Much of the work is traditional work such as drafting and prosecuting patent applications, but I also get to do technology searches to locate adjacent technologies that can be adapted with the main invention, so that the inventors can find further improvements.

Anonymous at Thu, 12 Sep 2024 22:21:13 UTC No. 16377649

>>16373785
Algebra and trig.

Calculus is a meme that’s literally one new concept. The rest of it is wrapped up in trig/algebra tricks the professor expects you to know like the back of your hand like completing the square or some random substitution.

Learn to program. You can cheese your way through circuits by creating custom solvers on a TI-86

Anonymous at Thu, 12 Sep 2024 22:26:01 UTC No. 16377654

Said it once, I’ll say it again. Always, always, always, get the engineering undergrad.

If you want to do math/chem/physics/whatever, you are going to need a masters+ no matter what. Take some choice electives in your engineering undergrad to set you up for that. Oh no, you maybe have to take a couple make up courses to fill in the gaps. Better than hitting your 4th year and realizing you are a total shitter with no prospects and a worthless degree. At least an engineering degree will let you go design toilets or transformers or some other banal shit and let you pay the bills. Hedge your bets, don’t be retarded and go all in withon ejection seat.

Anonymous at Thu, 12 Sep 2024 22:49:56 UTC No. 16377669

I should flunk out

Anonymous at Thu, 12 Sep 2024 23:34:04 UTC No. 16377705

So far I've found my PhD fairly chill and enjoyable. I think a lot of the complainers are outliers, there are a lot of good advisors out there.

Anonymous at Thu, 12 Sep 2024 23:37:53 UTC No. 16377711

>>16377199
um, anon we might be headed to the same country, same city and starting a PhD at the same time too (albeit in a different topic). Unless they do particle physics somewhere else than there which is probably the case... mmmmh

Anonymous at Thu, 12 Sep 2024 23:43:39 UTC No. 16377715

>>16377239
Thanks!

>>16377711
We're in this together. You got this!

Anonymous at Fri, 13 Sep 2024 03:25:46 UTC No. 16377978

I'm sick of spending my days on the computer. Any careers/jobs in math/stats/CS with low screen time requirements? Even managers need to be on the damn screens all day.

Anonymous at Fri, 13 Sep 2024 03:40:35 UTC No. 16377988

>>16377177
Do you have a hardware UG coming out of an EECS program? If so, you can likely pivot to related things that are more protected like edge computing.

Anonymous at Fri, 13 Sep 2024 06:58:58 UTC No. 16378138

>>16377978
Maths stats and cs without screens? Sorry buddy, you picked the wrong field and era.

Anonymous at Fri, 13 Sep 2024 08:25:17 UTC No. 16378200

>>16377177
Yeah it's crazy man, we recently got this new generation of students in my supervisors lab and they are like superhumans, all already publishing/have published months in, all connected to other researchers.

They are all part of that effective altruist AI mafia, it's like getting the secret nod. It's like a union or fraternity or something. And I just can't compete, I'm not linked up with other people, I'm not connected, it's too late for me to get inveigled into that whole ecosystem.

Anonymous at Fri, 13 Sep 2024 08:27:37 UTC No. 16378202

I wish I had studied economics, I was actually good and interested in that but I thought, since I got full marks on all my economics exams effortlessly, that it wouldn't be challenging enough and I should study mathematics instead. What a fuckin mistake.

Anonymous at Fri, 13 Sep 2024 15:27:56 UTC No. 16378658

>>16370788
here's an idea. get a degree that will get you a decent job. maybe accouting.

Anonymous at Fri, 13 Sep 2024 15:44:53 UTC No. 16378672

>>16378658
that will get him in to price water house coopers

Anonymous at Fri, 13 Sep 2024 17:52:48 UTC No. 16378875

>>16378202
Bruh I spent 5 years studying Econometrics and Economics, huge waste of time and money.

Anonymous at Fri, 13 Sep 2024 18:10:39 UTC No. 16378910

>>16377415
As if EE isn't saturated.
As if everything isn't saturated when the economy is fake and gay.

Anonymous at Fri, 13 Sep 2024 18:11:41 UTC No. 16378912

>>16378910
It's either talking more or talking less. Registered.

Anonymous at Fri, 13 Sep 2024 18:12:14 UTC No. 16378913

>>16377654
I love how this moron thinks he can just go "design transformers" as a back up plan. Lmao. The amount of people in this general who don't have a fucking clue what they are talking about is incredible.

Anonymous at Fri, 13 Sep 2024 18:31:32 UTC No. 16378940

I am currently doing Master's in chemistry but worked a lot with applied battery tech and hydrogen fuel cells, as a student and during private internships. All doctorate programs in the physical sciences are only paid 50% at my university while at the engineering factulties they are full-time posts, paid 100% even. Should I pivot writing my Master's thesis at the energy tech department so I have better chances when applying for a PhD there?

Anonymous at Fri, 13 Sep 2024 18:32:33 UTC No. 16378942

>>16378940
in order to do a 100% doctorate* If I have to slave away 4-5 years I want at least to be paid for a full-time post.

Anonymous at Fri, 13 Sep 2024 21:36:33 UTC No. 16379186

I just realized I don't really care about money that much. I don't care about crappy consumer electronics or seeing the Eiffel Tower in person. I'm content with a small apartment and a car and cellphone that work as long as I get to do science.

Anonymous at Fri, 13 Sep 2024 22:13:08 UTC No. 16379218

Is a 1:2 ratio for physics and math respectively optimal? Most physics I am doing is just math with applications :|

Anonymous at Fri, 13 Sep 2024 22:16:19 UTC No. 16379223

>>16379186
Very sad cope.

Anonymous at Fri, 13 Sep 2024 22:30:11 UTC No. 16379241

>>16378200
IMO the AI meme will die in a year or two, many retards will leave the industry, and being a proogrammer will be OK again. Everyone will still need systems and websites. Assuming the economy doesn't completely implode when Burgerland loses two proxy wars at once. So yeah, just sit on your thumbs for like 1-5 years bro.

Anonymous at Sat, 14 Sep 2024 01:03:43 UTC No. 16379396

>>16378910
If you look at the ratio of EE grads to CS grads, the ratio of EE to CS continues to decrease. It is far less saturated.

Anonymous at Sat, 14 Sep 2024 09:21:17 UTC No. 16379741

>have a career in software
>decide to go for a math phd (lmao)
>finishes without a hitch
>get some temporary contracts, no post doc or permanent position
>too late to pivot back to software
>seemingly impossible to get another adjunct gig
What the fuck should I do? Pivot to something else? I have money for another master's.

Anonymous at Sat, 14 Sep 2024 10:25:35 UTC No. 16379772

I unironically feel like that "got the degree.....got the job..." tik tok meme.
I have the best possible job I could reasonably hope the get. The pay is decent but not really enough to change your lifestyle or do anything substantial with. And in terms of work-life balance, anything else would be a downgrade. And I'm still miserable. So I was scheming about how to improov and I realized this is it. There is no way to improov upon my situation. This is as good as it gets. And I realized this is the end state of my stemmaxxing. I got the degree, I got the job, and I'm still a 35 year old virgin who just stares blankly into a computer screen all day wishing he was dead. My stem journey was supposed to uplift me into a higher echelon of life but I'm the same guy and the money isn't materially altering my life anyways. If I had dropped out I would be doing the exact same thing.

Anonymous at Sat, 14 Sep 2024 11:38:41 UTC No. 16379846

>>16379772
If you stay in the same place, do the same things, of course your life will be the same. Having a marketable degree and skillset gives you options in terms of what you do and where you do it. You still have to make an effort to go for the options that change things up. You're complaining about your degree not automatically changing your life, when it is your job to leverage the degree to change your life.

>My stem journey was supposed to uplift me into a higher echelon
Literally nobody thinks that a degree and a normal job will lift you into super elite status. If you started out as lower class it's a big leg up though. Middle class people don't even explicitly realize the change in your credibility and social circles that comes with being an educated professional.

>There is no way to improov upon my situation
You identify several shortcomings in your life so obviously there is room for improvement.

Anonymous at Sat, 14 Sep 2024 11:40:45 UTC No. 16379850

>>16379772
get a phd

Anonymous at Sat, 14 Sep 2024 17:45:25 UTC No. 16380316

>>16378913
How many states are you licensed in faggot?

Anonymous at Sat, 14 Sep 2024 18:40:17 UTC No. 16380443

>take job tutoring students because broke
>half of them are afraid to ask for help because they don't want to "get in trouble" or "have anxiety"
what even is happening to people

its like they're mentally stuck in highschool, you're a fucking adult man why are you even here with this attitude.

Anonymous at Sat, 14 Sep 2024 21:09:47 UTC No. 16380711

I have an HR question.

I am a teacher in a private school with major problems. A student in the hallway said something egregiously disrespectful to me. I went up to him and asked him to repeat what he had just said. He said he didn't mean to be disrespectful which was an obvious lie so I raised my voice and began tearing him a new one. A female vice principal happened to be standing there, immediately jumped in, and said, "we ALL need to just calm down," while looking right at me with raised eyebrows like Kamala at the debate.

I snapped, very forcefully, "don't talk to me like that. Don't tell me to calm down. We are the adults here. I am not a student, so don't talk to me like one."

She replied, "you are undermining my authority in this situation and you need to leave."

Am I going to get fired? Could I end up in a meeting with HR? I have a resignation letter drafted already...

Anonymous at Sat, 14 Sep 2024 21:27:51 UTC No. 16380736

>>16380711
Alternatively you go first to HR (you might be late already) and explain how she undermined your authority before a problematic student.

Anonymous at Sat, 14 Sep 2024 22:29:57 UTC No. 16380818

>>16380711
I don't think you were wrong to point out that she was in fact undermining your authority, but you're in the wrong for losing your cool.

I wouldn't think that's grounds for firing, maybe a quick chat with someone who tells you to not be mean, but I don't fricking know man.

In the future, when dealing with coworkers and superiors, try to act like an absolute psychopath. When you get mad just start to be even more polite. This is the corporate way.

Anonymous at Sat, 14 Sep 2024 22:32:38 UTC No. 16380821

>>16380711
You work for a private school. He isn't a student, he is a customer. You are not providing education, you are providing a service and selling a product. Next time know your place.

Anonymous at Sat, 14 Sep 2024 22:40:10 UTC No. 16380834

>>16380818
Yeah. The thing is, I didn’t really lose my cool. I was forceful with him, but I didn’t lose control. When she said “calm down,” to me in front of the kid instead of backing me up, that is when I lost it.

Anonymous at Sat, 14 Sep 2024 22:41:55 UTC No. 16380840

>>16380821
You are correct. It’s just so ignominious to have to sit there and take disrespect like a bitch day in and day out.

Anonymous at Sat, 14 Sep 2024 22:51:10 UTC No. 16380850

>>16380840
You don't have to. I confronted my boss once in a previous job after he had blamed me for his failing. I asked him very calmly if he trusted me, fully prepared to had in my resignation then and there. He quickly understood the situation and assured me smoothly that sure he did.

If you buckle down you should expect to get more grief. Start right now to look for a new job. Integrity costs but also has a lot of value. I have more experience in that than I really wanted.

Anonymous at Sat, 14 Sep 2024 22:53:47 UTC No. 16380852

Imagine having a job where your boss isn’t kissing your ass every day praying to god you don’t leave.

Anonymous at Sat, 14 Sep 2024 23:01:25 UTC No. 16380857

>>16380852
They SHOULD be kissing my ass. The science department is already down one teacher. It is impossible to find subs. If I left they would be totally fucked and would need to combine multiple classes into classes of 50. The faculty turnover rate is out of control at this school. They hire uncertified teachers because nobody wants to work there. Multiple teachers have quit because of disrespect from admin.

Out of curiosity, what field are you in where you get your ass kissed, so that I can go into it?

Anonymous at Sat, 14 Sep 2024 23:13:15 UTC No. 16380873

>>16380857
>Out of curiosity, what field are you in where you get your ass kissed, so that I can go into it?

Not that anon but I was a postdoc in a lab where I was the only person who knew how to properly operate equipment worth $penis and which constituted the main research output of the lab.

I still left because the PI kept making decisions that stopped me from being able to churn out papers. Basically dumping random students from non-relevant backgrounds on me with no realistic project ideas for them, collaboration bitch work so he can get his connections (this one was not that bad), and the final straw was moving labs a year after we had finished setting up despite specifically assuring me this would not happen. And I just couldn't stand the guy.

Anonymous at Sat, 14 Sep 2024 23:37:43 UTC No. 16380900

>>16380857
NTA but if you are the rainmaker, they will (should!) start kissing it.

t.Rainmaker in a small company

Anonymous at Sun, 15 Sep 2024 00:40:59 UTC No. 16380984

Anyone here done the plunge into technical sales?

I dropped out of my MSc and worked as a researcher and simulation engineer in high tech industries (quantum comp and private fusion) for a few years. This was very fun, but I left for an opportunity in tech sales due to the uncertainty (and frankly bullshitery) in private start ups.

I have started and while the money is much better I cannot help but feel like I am wasting technical skills I spent years developing to answer emails and call people.

Has anyone else tried tech sales? Any input on what you found meaningful in that work and what you didnt?

Anonymous at Sun, 15 Sep 2024 01:42:57 UTC No. 16381067

I worked in Taiwan for 6 months and all I did was stay in my apartment playing Stardew Valley.
This one Taiwanese girl obviously wanted to fuck me and I didn't even try. Also my neighbors at the apartment fucked literally every single day and I could hear them moaning through the walls. I travelled all the way across the world just to take my sad cuck existence on tour.

Anonymous at Sun, 15 Sep 2024 01:45:21 UTC No. 16381073

>>16381067
The exact same thing happened to me in mainland China. I'm just a natural cuck boy even though some girl was obviously very interested. I even refused to go to clubs like every night until people stopped asking so I could study.

Anonymous at Sun, 15 Sep 2024 01:57:36 UTC No. 16381088

>>16381073
Yeah I'm like damaged or something. I did the same thing in high school and college. I don't know what is wrong with me. I'm interested in women but I just hate myself or something so it's like impossible for me to imagine actually going through with anything. Now I'm old and I realized I wasted my youth being a faggot retard. And that it's all for real and it's not just a funny post on le chans or whatever.
I remember everyone at work in Taiwan was talking about going out to a club that night and I instantly tried to make myself invisible because I just wanted to go home and jerk off and play Stardew Valley.
It didn't work and they started asking me if I wanted to go with them. I just mumbled something and this Taiwanese girl grabbed my hand and said "Oh he can come home with me he he" in her broken gook English and I just wanted to die. She was hot too. She had a nice big ass and big tits for an asian girl. It's very bizarre. 99% of people would conclude that I'm gay but I'm not. I'm just profoundly asocial for some reason. Like I'd rather go home and jerk off to her than go out and have to actually be around people in order to get sex.

Anonymous at Sun, 15 Sep 2024 09:27:27 UTC No. 16381622

>>16381088
You need to change your self conception. Just go around saying in your head "I'm a guy that does stuff, I'm the kind of guy that does stuff" until it becomes true.

Anonymous at Sun, 15 Sep 2024 09:34:58 UTC No. 16381628

>>16381067
>>16381073
>>16381088

Your incelism isn't relevant to anything, take it to /r9k/

Anonymous at Sun, 15 Sep 2024 12:56:39 UTC No. 16381792

Any anon has stories about being let go?
>>16380711
can you tell us in details how the conversation went between you and the student? what did he tell you and how did you respond?

Anonymous at Sun, 15 Sep 2024 14:45:19 UTC No. 16381913

>>16381792
>Any anon has stories about being let go?
Sure, and I am confident many here have experienced it.
My then employer was astonished to learn that annoying your single largest client was not a good idea and that future contracts can in fact be binned. At the same time, management started mumbling loudly how much cheaper it was to outsource the programming to India. Really, those guys checked off all boxes. And the company duly folded.

Anonymous at Sun, 15 Sep 2024 15:25:52 UTC No. 16381969

>>16381628
This entire site is /r9k/ deal with it reddit nigger faggot

Anonymous at Sun, 15 Sep 2024 15:49:47 UTC No. 16382001

>>16381088
>Like I'd rather go home and jerk off to her than go out and have to actually be around people in order to get sex.
jerking off is actually better than sex

Anonymous at Sun, 15 Sep 2024 16:37:45 UTC No. 16382063

>>16380857
Semiconductors. It’s a small fucking world man. Colleague of mine just left her job and after two days I was the third persons to float her resume to my boss.

Anonymous at Sun, 15 Sep 2024 16:56:49 UTC No. 16382083

I vented here a while ago about my professor, saying how worried he was about my literature review, only to receive an 82%.
Eighty-two.
I was getting stressed for a week about my grade and it was an 82.
Of course, I agreed that it needed more time in the oven to be ready for a thesis defense, but don't scare me like that!

Anonymous at Sun, 15 Sep 2024 17:05:13 UTC No. 16382094

>>16382083
>he doesn’t get that academia after undergrad is just a giant hazing ritual

Anonymous at Sun, 15 Sep 2024 17:13:58 UTC No. 16382100

>>16382094
Why?
Everything is just
>figure it out yourself, I am not you
I appreciate the minimal restrictions so I can choose what cases to study even in courses, but I hate that I get penalized for minor stuff that wasn't in the nebulous instructions. "Write about [topic]." Okay, then why did you take marks off from a rubric I'm only seeing now?
The only thing that works is to teach the core concepts to the potential reader while thoroughly explaining the subject matter. Now that I'm starting my thesis, I've only been told two methods I should use for research. The rest is entirely laissez-faire. Where is my tutorial?! The hand-holding?! The "I have never done a thesis before" assistance?! Even the library only tells me to look at past examples online!!!

Anonymous at Sun, 15 Sep 2024 17:52:28 UTC No. 16382131

>>16382100
Bro, that’s the world at large. There’s a corpo term called HPI. High Performance Individual. If any retard can get hand held through a PhD then what’s the point?

My first job outta college was working for a fortune 50. The guy I replaced got fired after 11 months because he spun a valve the wrong way and melted down $3 million worth of equipment. They don’t train you, they don’t give a fuck about you. They expect you to just figure it out because there is a line around the block of dudes who are willing to take a crack at what you’re doing, and if you don’t catch on, the next guy will.

Nut the fuck up and stop being a little bitch.

Anonymous at Sun, 15 Sep 2024 17:55:32 UTC No. 16382135

>>16382131
I WILL NUT UP! IN FACT, I WILL NUTS UP BECAUSE I HAVE TWO BRASS BALLS THAT SOUND LIKE A CHURCH BELL WITH EVERY GIANT STEP I TAKE!
THE ENTIRE WORLD WILL BENEFIT FROM MY RESEARCH AND I SHALL HAVE A GRAND THESIS EXPERIENCE!

Anonymous at Sun, 15 Sep 2024 17:57:21 UTC No. 16382138

>>16382131
sounds like a good way to lose 3 million every year.

Anonymous at Sun, 15 Sep 2024 18:11:22 UTC No. 16382156

>>16382138
Most people had the good sense to realize they’re in over their heads and quit before they fucked something up.

Anonymous at Sun, 15 Sep 2024 19:50:44 UTC No. 16382239

>>16380852
Some bosses are slow to learn.

>Be me, PhD in Physics
>applying for a job, get an interview, the company guy seems excessively stressed out
>Anon, you can do analogue electronics design, right?
>Errr, no, I can read circuit designs, make simple circuits but I am no designer.
>Anon, are you reeeealy sure you cannot do analogue design?
>Errr, sadly, no

I still got the job, and to this day I wonder if he gambled I was just too modest. It took just a few days to hear that the boss had tried to renegotiate the salaries of two analogue designers, who got so fed up they immediately quit. Both got new jobs immediately. And getting good analogue designers turned out to be rather hard.
And that was part of what killed the project. The cost was stratospheric.

Anonymous at Sun, 15 Sep 2024 20:10:50 UTC No. 16382255

>>16382239
Yeah I work in what is basically analogue design. The number of people with zero analogue background who try to feel their way around this field is crazy. Every baby and their mother can do digital design after like one year of undergrad and they think they can also do analogue.

Anonymous at Sun, 15 Sep 2024 22:34:22 UTC No. 16382375

>>16382131
What is this company? I need to know not to apply.

Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 06:38:09 UTC No. 16382739

Turned down for another 3 internships this morning.

Thank god when you die you get to repeat this all over again, eternally.

Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 16:55:03 UTC No. 16383467

I have a postdoc interview tomorrow. Wish me luck. PhD thesis due in December. hep-ex

Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 17:41:58 UTC No. 16383532

>>16379241
>Assuming the economy doesn't completely implode when Burgerland loses two proxy wars at once.
I mean, if you're in burgerland the economy will almost certainly be in an utterly disastrous state.

Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 19:44:27 UTC No. 16383727

In case you didn't get that "job":
>Survey: Job Seekers Beware of Ghost Jobs
https://clarifycapital.com/job-seekers-beware-of-ghost-jobs-survey
>Mercurio says: “Employers post “ghost jobs” for a variety of reasons. Around half of companies keep job postings open because they are always open to new people, but 43% aren't actively trying to fill positions because they want to keep employees motivated or they want to give off the impression that the company is growing. Whatever the reason, it definitely looks like many companies are not actively trying to fill the positions they have posted right now.”

Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 20:05:54 UTC No. 16383754

>>16382375
Google. He broke the coffee machine.

Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 20:32:07 UTC No. 16383780

Polish anon here,


University of Waterloo and British Columbia are reputed in terms of EE (electrical engineering ) ? I got accepted into MASc (Master of applied Science) which is fully funded. My goal was to join Masters programme in reputed college EPFL, ETH Zurich, TU Munich and then apply for PhD in USA. But now I am stuck between TUM Munich or Canadian top STEMS unis and more inclined towards them due to the fact they are fully funded, shorter and good stipend. Is it possible to grab PhD position in USA after MASc from top university in Canada ? I am hearing terrible things about Canadian economy right now so will it be a good option ?

Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 22:11:05 UTC No. 16383854

>>16383532
haha, yeah

Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 22:12:15 UTC No. 16383855

>>16382739
Maybe next time you'll be Indian

Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 22:15:12 UTC No. 16383857

>>16381088
Don't worry. The only thing worse than no gf is having a gf.

Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 22:21:47 UTC No. 16383859

Guys I don't think I can work 9-5 after my retarded babby daycare physics phd. I'm too dogshit to get a postdoc.

Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 22:53:08 UTC No. 16383900

I have become almost completely insane and rife with knowledge after using LLMs to deepen my research.

I know too much. I don't know how to sell myself to lesser structures. I cannot make my own, as we are all subdued by the world.

Is this how Nikola felt?

Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 23:00:00 UTC No. 16383907

>>16380711
She undermined yours first in front of a student that you will see more often than her. Her operating fallacy is thus:

women aren't capable of seeing 'sternness' as separate from 'aggression', and thus are natural underminers of the basic social dynamic of discipline for miscreants.

This is part and parcel as to why passivity reigns in single mother homes and why crime rates are higher therein. They are unable to reign in the derelicts as they are used to operating with the 'norm' and why they are good leaders only in times of ethnocentric stability.

Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 23:01:11 UTC No. 16383912

>>16380821
>he is a customer
His parents are the customers, he is an investment. They must trust you to handle the portfolio or bend to the oversight of the bureaucrats above you and fall to their inclined degeneracy.

Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 00:45:37 UTC No. 16384006

What do you guys think about the Boeing strike?
Assemblers and factory workers are saying they deserve $90/hr because they are "skilled labor."
I'm an electrical engineer making $26/hr.
If what they are saying is true then going to college and studying STEM was the worst move I've ever made.

Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 01:41:25 UTC No. 16384038

>>16384006
>I'm an electrical engineer making $26/hr.
if true that's absolutely miserable. My condolences

Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 01:49:48 UTC No. 16384050

>>16384006
>i accepted 26/hr for my labor
>clearly its the educated who are the problem

Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 08:18:19 UTC No. 16384325

>>16375712
"They" you mean women and beta male cucks

Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 08:47:38 UTC No. 16384351

>>16379186
The best part about having money isn't the ability to buy trinkets, it's the ability to tell your boss to suck it whenever you want to.

Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 08:50:50 UTC No. 16384355

>>16384325
No, I didn't limit it like that. Many self declared alphas advance their decrees by skullduggery rather than by sheer brilliance.

Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 08:52:02 UTC No. 16384357

>>16383859
I only got a PhD because I didn't want to start a real job. I'm now a postdoc and might be stuck in academia. Just can't give up the flexible work hours and variety in tasks.

Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 09:30:24 UTC No. 16384408

>>16377215
Yes, I did the same thing when I got out of the military and it went great for me (civil instead of electrical though)

Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 09:59:51 UTC No. 16384441

>>16383780
Im an anon from EPFL.
You won't get in the USA going through EPFL.
Grading philosophy in Switzerland is harsh, plus the coursework is heavy and leaves no room for research experience and getting close with professors.

From first hand experience, and as someone with 5.5/6 GPA, 1.5 year of very good internships experience, I simply can not compete against the asian-american and indian-american mafias in US higher education. You will show up with good but not fantastic grades, while they come out of MIT with inflated grades (4.0 is the norm) with 6 gazillion publications on xyz improvement in LLM architectures (they're scraping really hard for even less than 1% of non-practical improvement at this point, just look at papers on model compression).

Higher education is NOT a gateway to the US unless you are in a niche field like material sciences.
The next big thing people are doing is building an AI startup and preying on clueless investors to sponsor their O-1, it's riskier but higher reward, O-1 is powerful, and you can apply for GC immediately. I've seen some EPFL students pull out bullshit AI stratups that will obviously crash and burn (AI sits in your computer and periodically reminds you to stop doomscrolling... Im not joking), get into YC, and immediately hire lawyers to support their O1 application on the basis that they got into YC.

Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 10:20:04 UTC No. 16384451

>>16384355
Lol whatever nerd. That's your excuse for why they do better than you

Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 10:21:29 UTC No. 16384452

>>16384441
I'm anon from ETH.
tldr your post

Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 10:23:14 UTC No. 16384454

>>16383467
Update: I fucking blew it

Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 10:25:36 UTC No. 16384456

>>16384452
If anon wants to get in the USA, he should go for a Canadian uni regardless, at least he'll be close enough and there will be more opportunities, so higher chances to make it one day. Europe is so dead, only Norway and Switzerland are worth working in, and both of these countries are boring as hell.

Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 10:30:29 UTC No. 16384458

>>16384357
literally me. Also I'm only qualified to do research in the eyes of employers. I can't possibly do the same task over and over for 8 hours a day, I need the diversity or I'll die.
I'll replay disco elysium soon methinks.
>>16384441
>>16384452
swiss sci meet when, I'm in Geneva
>>16384454
elaborate

Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 10:48:13 UTC No. 16384472

>>16384458
>elaborate
I'm applying to two different positions A and B in the same school, which are sort of related not the same. Got invited to an interview for position A, but the guy in charge of B was also there as one of the interviewers. I wasn't expecting that and my brain defaulted to trying to please both, A is more simulations based and B more hardware oriented. When I realized what I was subconsciously doing spaghetti started flying everywhere.

Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 11:20:09 UTC No. 16384504

How do i pivot from pure math to ai?

Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 11:21:07 UTC No. 16384505

>>16384472
that sucks, I always felt weird when a company had 2 positions I could apply to. Writing 2 different motivation letters and all.

I don't know what the move is there, maybe say outright at the beginning that you are deeply interested in both position and focus on the one at hand? There's no winning, may be best to choose only one position at a time

Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 11:28:41 UTC No. 16384513

>>16384454
I never even got an interview

Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 13:24:22 UTC No. 16384624

>>16383727
I really hate this crap. At least if you bomb an interview you can usually get some indication of what you did wrong or didn't do well enough and have some kind of rubric on which you could improve for future interviews.

Ghosting applicants just leaves people twisting in the wind, never knowing whether they fucked up or whether there really were just a lot of other good applicants for the job, or whether the search committee just couldn't be arsed to go through applications.

Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 14:29:42 UTC No. 16384676

>day 261 of unemployment
Getting a math PhD was a big mistake

Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 15:43:41 UTC No. 16384729

>>16384676
Should have stayed in your village. Why do all sluts and beta cucks want to become PhDs? You would have made a lot more money as farmer and had better life than corpo/academic slave anyway.
Lucky for you, you end up neither.

I wish you all jeets, sluts, betas didnt flood academia so much. I am surrounded by literal scum on daily basis. Youre unemployed because nobody needs your dumb ass.

Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 16:03:21 UTC No. 16384758

https://le.ac.uk/courses/cpd-students-involved-in-the-sex-industry/2022

Should I enroll?

Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 17:03:00 UTC No. 16384835

>>16382375
It was a semiconductor company. Idiot exothermed an argon getter and caused a class D fire.

Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 18:08:54 UTC No. 16384902

>>16383855
What a horrifying thought

Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 18:13:42 UTC No. 16384907

Did a Masters in physics in switzerland and I dont know if i should do a PhD or not. I have a publication in solid state but my new research interest is open systems/q. thermodynamics (kinda funny as this is still a kind of dead field in the US), but jesus this area is to niche.

I am thinking about going to industry (data science/finance/AI meme), but I dont know.

Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 20:32:16 UTC No. 16385067

>>16384472
>>16384458
>>16384357
>>16383859

Postdocs are a waste of life unless you intend to stay in academia (which most postdocs will not be able to do). Employers will still treat you (or at least pay you) as if you had 0 years of experience even if you did a 5 year postdoc in the thing they do. I heard a lot of PIs bitching about how hard it is to get postdocs to work for them these days so I'm always surprised when I hear people saying it is difficult to get them, but maybe there are field specific differences.

I'm a former postdoc who just started a "real job" in industrial research. Very early days but so far it seems there's still a decent amount of variety. I do feel like a failure still.

Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 20:55:29 UTC No. 16385086

>>16384758
People do way more than that:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brooke_Magnanti

Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 20:57:41 UTC No. 16385087

>>16384907
>I am thinking about going to industry
It is hard getting a job in industry these days
> (data science/finance/AI meme), but I dont know.
And those fields in particular.

Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 23:28:51 UTC No. 16385327

>>16365289
I did coding and website design slowly got pushed into an over the help desk operator with availability nearly any hour of the night to answer the dumbest questions and walking people through hardware issues of literally how to correctly turn on a switch. I had an episode a few years ago. My body was frozen. I couldn't do it anymore. Now I manage a liquor store. The owner and I are currently in talks to sell me the business outright. It's the most rewarding job I've ever had.

Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 23:32:13 UTC No. 16385332

>>16385067
>postdocs are a waste
>I got a job in industry after mine but that's completely irrelevant

Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 23:39:43 UTC No. 16385347

>IT saturated
>Car industry collapsing
>Battery tech sector doing a repeat of the 2010 PV industry collapse
>Chemical industry hitting a 30 year low point
>Semiconductor industry plant projects frozen.
>Government cutting funding to public science institutes left and right.

German STEM grad here. Which country am I supposed to flee to if I don't want to work in defense? No, don't say fucking Argentina.

Leaf at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 00:57:29 UTC No. 16385436

First year chemistry undergrad any tips

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 01:49:51 UTC No. 16385506

>>16382739
Another two... When will my torture end?

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 02:01:50 UTC No. 16385518

Do you need internships to get a job in electrical engineering? Should I just drop out already if I'm an autistic retard who can't network or interact with people normally?

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 07:20:41 UTC No. 16385781

>>16385518
Have sex

🗑️ Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 13:39:25 UTC No. 16386012

White people should not be doing much, if any, engineering.

Leave that to the more cerebral cultures of India and China.

The most engineering a white guy should do is construction. Make use of those heavy set muscles and bones and build some houses.

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 15:06:38 UTC No. 16386090

Is it just me or have PhD listings become insane? Every second STEM listing at my university is riddled with buzzwords relating to 'Employing advanced AI methods' and 'simulations on quantum computers'.

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 16:17:28 UTC No. 16386176

Hello, question for the engineers. You are making a part in your favorite CAD program. You need a rounded edge.

Do you use the "fil-et" command or the "fil-ay" command.

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 16:49:41 UTC No. 16386212

>>16385332
The postdoc added almost zero value. It's a tiny company and I talked to them already the end of my PhD. They would have hired me then for the same position I'm in now. I feel like I don't know shit though so we'll see if they keep me around.

Postdoc was multiple years of McDonalds wage with McKinsey hours. It's a necessary evil if you want to stay in academia. But it is not a good state of affairs and in most cases it simply kicks the can down the road, you still have to get a real job at the end of it.

Sure, if you develop new skills that employers are interested in during your postdoc maybe it will make you more likely to get hired. But it's still not treated as work experience. Somehow more is expected of me but it is not reflected in my pay or hireability. It also further pigeon holes you into a niche in the eyes of employers.


>>16386090
It's always like that. Now consider that the same hype culture increasingly pervades grant applications, papers and academia generally. The PhD listings are probably just copypasted from those. Just think about the worst stereotype of greasy snake oil startup grifters and you have the person early career research is selecting for. Suddenly everyone is surprised when half the papers are fake at worst or misrepresented at best.

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 18:31:46 UTC No. 16386379

I am a chemist and I got a student job in alternative drivetrains. How do I teach myself CAD in 2 weeks?

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 18:52:53 UTC No. 16386416

More news from the job market:
>Blanked or rejected: is finding a job harder than ever?
https://archive.is/sjWPA
>“The labour market has become more congested, for each job there are more people applying. Employers can be more picky,” Kantenga adds. LinkedIn measures “jobseeker intensity” — the number of applications made per person on its site — and says this has increased by more than 8 per cent in France and Germany and 4 per cent in the US in the past year. “That’s resulting in people having to work harder to get a job.”
>Artificial intelligence is part of the problem. A survey by content creation platform Canva found about 45 per cent of global job hunters were using AI to build or improve their CVs. “AI is being used to tailor the CV — it’s making life harder [for recruiters] because there’s not only an increased volume but it’s very good,” Kantenga says. This makes it harder for recruiters to filter the best candidates.
>Bonnie Dilber, lead recruiter at HR firm Zapier, says employers are receiving so many applications that considering all of them is impossible. “We have no reason to look at anyone who’s not top notch — other applications aren’t even being considered.”
>This risks a vicious cycle. Candidates met with silence fire off more applications, sacrificing quality for volume in what industry professionals term a “spray and pray” approach.

Anonymous at Thu, 19 Sep 2024 00:51:00 UTC No. 16386948

>>16385347
Micron and TI peeps are still eating good.

Anonymous at Thu, 19 Sep 2024 01:56:03 UTC No. 16386999

>get layed off
>get another job the same day
>get to sit on ass for the next two weeks milking a paycheck before I start new gig

Anonymous at Thu, 19 Sep 2024 04:05:19 UTC No. 16387077

>Nurse fag here
Starting to get kinda tired of nursing after 5 yrs.
I guess if I got paid a bit more i guess I could tolerate it

Should I take the NP pill?
Should I just hospital hop in order to make more money?

Anonymous at Thu, 19 Sep 2024 09:53:09 UTC No. 16387442

Should I get an intelligence studies degree? I already a math PhD, know some Russian and a lot of experience in intelligence from browsing /pol/.

Anonymous at Thu, 19 Sep 2024 10:11:27 UTC No. 16387463

>>16387442
Apply to CIA (or your local agency).
They will tell.

Anonymous at Thu, 19 Sep 2024 10:14:02 UTC No. 16387465

>>16385436
Leave! Fast!
Go to engineering. EE preferably.
>>16385518
Defense loves EE.
Everyone loves EE.
Do some projects, tho.

Anonymous at Thu, 19 Sep 2024 11:40:15 UTC No. 16387558

Indian here, should I do a PhD?
I know my best chances of success are moving to a white country immediately.
Otherwise the second best chance is to get into a company that has offices abroad and then get moved abroad.

But does a PhD help in these cases?

Anonymous at Thu, 19 Sep 2024 12:27:52 UTC No. 16387617

>>16387558
Why not clean up your own country instead?

Anonymous at Thu, 19 Sep 2024 12:32:25 UTC No. 16387619

>>16387617
White people aren't allowed to have countries anymore because Hitler or something. Your country is his country.

Anonymous at Thu, 19 Sep 2024 12:41:19 UTC No. 16387624

>>16387617
If I try to clean it up, the criminals who run the country will kill me.

The only people who enjoy living here are criminals because they prey on the educated honest people like wolves prey on sheep.

Anonymous at Thu, 19 Sep 2024 12:42:02 UTC No. 16387625

Anyone here has experience working or doing an internship at an international org with a STEM background like the IAEA or the OPCW

Anonymous at Thu, 19 Sep 2024 12:42:56 UTC No. 16387627

>>16387624
>he thinks criminals don't run white countries

Anonymous at Thu, 19 Sep 2024 12:50:40 UTC No. 16387635

>>16387627
A $30k a year basic PhD stipend is actually a fortune.

Anonymous at Thu, 19 Sep 2024 13:07:27 UTC No. 16387648

>>16387635
Not in Canada. You need to take cost of living into account.

Anonymous at Thu, 19 Sep 2024 13:25:01 UTC No. 16387671

Swedish math PhD here. I am having real problems getting a job. I was planning to start another MSc in Data Science (lmao) this fall but my parents insisted I waited for some apps I sent in. I am doing some online degrees (Education and IT) to pass the time, but I am hesitant to put them on my resume because it would look too desperate. Probably better than having a gap though. Any advice how to proceed from here?

Anonymous at Thu, 19 Sep 2024 13:48:30 UTC No. 16387704

>>16387671
postdoc or Industrial post doc

YouTube channel because ur PhD now

Anonymous at Thu, 19 Sep 2024 15:30:14 UTC No. 16387842

Does having DoD clearance help with applying for NDSEG or other fellowships? I'm planning on applying to ECE Ph.D programs next year, and I was looking at either taking a national lab internship which would give me clearance or doing research in my university's lab over the summer with the lab I've worked with throughout the school year. The national lab internship would be pretty unique and involve a bit of research if that matters. However, I already have 2 national lab internships under my belt at other institutions, so I was wondering how much having a 3rd would really help. What would you recommend going with?

Anonymous at Thu, 19 Sep 2024 16:55:44 UTC No. 16387946

>>16387671
stop doing more degrees oh my god go join a boxing club maybe enough knocks to the head will unlock your ability to pass interviews

Anonymous at Thu, 19 Sep 2024 17:51:18 UTC No. 16388008

>>16387946
This became the official "3rd worlder tries to get PhD general" at some point

Anonymous at Thu, 19 Sep 2024 17:56:55 UTC No. 16388016

>>16384441
I thought EPFL and ETH Zurich were PhD feeders to MIT, Stanford, Caltech Etc


What about colleges like KU Leuven, KTH Sweden etc ?

Anonymous at Fri, 20 Sep 2024 07:08:08 UTC No. 16388976

>>16387946
>stop doing more degrees
Why? They are free. They even pay me a few crowns.
>>16388008
Sweden is 1st world.

Anonymous at Fri, 20 Sep 2024 07:41:51 UTC No. 16389021

>>16388976
>Sweden is 1st world.
Well, it used to be.

Anonymous at Fri, 20 Sep 2024 10:26:02 UTC No. 16389157

>>16388016
One classmate I had at KTH ended up at Google in 2015. I think he did a PhD at some mid-tier US school. In a master level class in algebraic topology I took in 2015 there was a guy who was doing his math PhD at KTH and had done his "master" at Cambridge. KTH has great brand-name value in Sweden, but I am unsure if it translates to the US. Btw I got an A in the algebraic topology class and Mr Cambridge got a B.

Anonymous at Fri, 20 Sep 2024 10:33:36 UTC No. 16389164

Anyone here has experience of being an online adjunct at for-profit US schools? I have failed in academia, so I might try to launch a career in scamdemia instead.

Anonymous at Fri, 20 Sep 2024 10:44:45 UTC No. 16389174

Based af

Anonymous at Fri, 20 Sep 2024 10:54:08 UTC No. 16389184

>>16389174
The C Peeeple

Anonymous at Fri, 20 Sep 2024 11:09:31 UTC No. 16389211

I kind of regret getting rid of all my lecture notes and homework solutions. Should have kept it somewhere for nostalgia.

Anonymous at Fri, 20 Sep 2024 11:23:33 UTC No. 16389216

Why the fuck did I get a math PhD? Why did I seek a career in academia?

Anonymous at Fri, 20 Sep 2024 11:33:42 UTC No. 16389228

>>16389174
Wow, this is outrageous!
I'm going to comment!

Anonymous at Fri, 20 Sep 2024 11:40:22 UTC No. 16389232

>>16389174
>Just here are my skills do i get the job? Yes or no
Cool it with the misogynistic remarks

Anonymous at Fri, 20 Sep 2024 12:06:07 UTC No. 16389251

Is it possible to pursue research in physics as a hobby?

I recently graduated in physics and I'm thinking about doing a masters. But I'm running out of money and I need to find a job, and also mentally I need stability, so I was thinking of doing something that would get me a job and giving up on academia.
But maybe I still could study on my free time the things they teach in the higher levels of education and maybe publish papers on my own while I work in something else. Is this possible?

Anonymous at Fri, 20 Sep 2024 12:17:08 UTC No. 16389263

>>16389251
Not really.

(1) You cannot do academia as a hobby
(2) Once you exit academia it is very near impossible to get back.

I dont recommend doing a physics MSc but thinking you can do physics research as a hobby is just delusional, I am afraid.

Anonymous at Fri, 20 Sep 2024 12:18:21 UTC No. 16389267

>>16387077
NP?

Anonymous at Fri, 20 Sep 2024 12:22:55 UTC No. 16389269

Anybody here switched from STEM to IT? Can you post your resume?

Anonymous at Fri, 20 Sep 2024 12:43:20 UTC No. 16389291

>>16387704
>postdoc or Industrial post doc
I have applied for shit ton of those but never got an interview. Swedish Research Council and Wallenberg Foundation rejected me as well.

Anonymous at Fri, 20 Sep 2024 15:49:03 UTC No. 16389585

>switching TO IT while a huge IT bubble just popped

lmao

Anonymous at Fri, 20 Sep 2024 15:56:51 UTC No. 16389598

>>16389251
Hobby Astronomists keep discovering actual shit every now and then. That's the only field I know where this happens on the regular though.

Anonymous at Fri, 20 Sep 2024 16:10:25 UTC No. 16389631

>>16389585
Wtf should I switch to then? Nursing? Full time NEET? I am running out of options.

Anonymous at Fri, 20 Sep 2024 16:16:00 UTC No. 16389642

I am considering studying Intelligence Analysis and going full /pol/. What do you think about this plan? Lund University has a course sequence in Intelligence Analysis by distance learning.

Anonymous at Fri, 20 Sep 2024 16:21:50 UTC No. 16389652

>>16389642
I mean we are exteremely likely on the cusp of a new cold war scenario until the end of this century, so if you want to sell your soul to a dying imperial hegemonic structure and become part of its military-intellingence grifter complex, then go ahead. The pay is going to be great, there is a lot of demand, if you managed to ignore the cries of the Palestinean children that have been burned to charcoal.

Anonymous at Fri, 20 Sep 2024 16:50:04 UTC No. 16389703

Ok, which plan do you think is better?

Plan A: Intelligence
+ Autumn 24: Physics course at Skovde University, IT courses at Metropolia University of Applied Sciences
+ Sprint 25: Russian language classes at Malmo University. IT courses at Metropolia
+ Autumn 25 - Autumn 26: Intelligence Studies at Lund University. I can graduate with Bsc Intelligence Studies in January 27.

Plan B: Education
+ Autumn 24: Finish my MA in Upper Secondary Education, IT courses
+ Spring 25 - Summer 26: Physics, IT courses. Hopefully get a triple teaching license in Mathematics, Physics and Programming/IT by Summer 26. Can maybe get a full-time HS teaching job around January 27.

Anonymous at Fri, 20 Sep 2024 17:09:23 UTC No. 16389742

>>16384441
I graduated from a middling state university and was able to get into PhD program (at another middling state university) by knowing my field well for an undergrad, having some relevant professional experience, and hitting it off with a professor whom I could called. You had better grades than I did from a better university. You can absolutely get in somewhere, but you're also correct that better American graduate schools are flooded with good applicants.

Anonymous at Fri, 20 Sep 2024 18:01:40 UTC No. 16389833

>>16389703
Does Sweden have an army reserve like the US? If so, you can just get them to teach you Russian and how to be an analyst or whatever and study whatever the hell you want while going only going to drills twice a month.

Anonymous at Fri, 20 Sep 2024 18:15:33 UTC No. 16389863

>>16389833
As I understand it, Totalförsvaret (lit. total defense force lmao), is badly paid and very competitve

Anonymous at Fri, 20 Sep 2024 18:30:04 UTC No. 16389874

>>16389863
Might still be worth it if having an active clearance pushes your CV to the top of the pile.

Anonymous at Fri, 20 Sep 2024 23:35:54 UTC No. 16390536

What areas of data science/ machine learning should I specialize in to get a job?

Anonymous at Sat, 21 Sep 2024 06:49:45 UTC No. 16390979

>>16386416
Have you came across any news that talks about hopes of an economic recovery anytime soon?
I know MSM says that the economy is doing fine and that Americans are drowning in jobs, but everyone knows that's a lie.

Anonymous at Sat, 21 Sep 2024 08:54:00 UTC No. 16391070

>>16390536
Reinforcement learning

Anonymous at Sat, 21 Sep 2024 08:59:00 UTC No. 16391079

>>16390979
They just cut rates, we're all about to be niggerrich, nigga.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h3BXTHUcZvw
HELL chyea, nigga.

Anonymous at Sat, 21 Sep 2024 14:55:26 UTC No. 16391430

Why is Great Britain so prosperous?
It can compare to Germany, Sweden and the Netherlands when it comes to jobs. I actually know a few swedes who work in Britain. They commute by plane every now and then.

I don't get it, because basically according to common sense, Britain is a country that has absolutely no language barriers to anybody in the world and they also hand out visas like candy to anyone who wants them. This is a recipe for an overpopulated and overcompetitive environment. The wages should drop way below the rest of Europe because every single person in the world can apply for British jobs. It's not possible for there to be a labor shortage in an english speaking country and this should send wages down in a death spiral. But somehow they do not. The wages are still high enough that swedes move there.

Can someone explain this to me? Is there really no drawback of being an english speaking country that has no cultural barriers to immigration?

Anonymous at Sat, 21 Sep 2024 15:04:46 UTC No. 16391439

>>16365289
I work as an engineer for a national government. I have 5 years experience and no other relevant work exerience (other than some student jobs). In every interview, I kid you not, they ask questions like if I'm going to fit in a corporate environment coming from the government. I've also been told they went with another candidate because of their experience in the private sector. What the fuck do I do? Am I stuck in the government?

Anonymous at Sat, 21 Sep 2024 15:07:43 UTC No. 16391444

>>16391430
>Why is Great Britain so prosperous?
The City of London and their Jewish schemes

Anonymous at Sat, 21 Sep 2024 15:10:10 UTC No. 16391449

>>16391439
Just tell them you like to focus on the technology.

Anonymous at Sat, 21 Sep 2024 15:18:04 UTC No. 16391456

>>16391430
>Why is Great Britain so prosperous?
Great Britain is not prosperous. It has lower GDP per capita than all of those countries you listed.

https://www.worldometers.info/gdp/gdp-per-capita/

And the whole country is just a shithole. From the countryside, to small cities, to medium cities, all the way to most of London. Everybody other person is fat, divorced, on drugs, alcohol, depressed or on antidepressants, some form of criminal or a combination of these.

As an answer to your question. Why is it so "prosperous"? It's not, but a tiny rich elite is basically the global financial oligarchy, or serving said oligarchy.

Anonymous at Sat, 21 Sep 2024 15:22:37 UTC No. 16391460

Does engineering have any status anymore at all?
When I was young, "engineer" was regarded as like a respected and high status type of job, but now it's like telling someone you're an engineer is like telling them you flip burgers or something.

Anonymous at Sat, 21 Sep 2024 15:51:40 UTC No. 16391486

>>16391460
It was never high status. You just grew up and realized how shit it is.

Anonymous at Sat, 21 Sep 2024 15:52:24 UTC No. 16391487

>>16391430
London is prosperous because it is a centre of international finance, the rest of the country is not.

Anonymous at Sat, 21 Sep 2024 16:57:20 UTC No. 16391565

>>16391070
Why?

Anonymous at Sat, 21 Sep 2024 17:03:52 UTC No. 16391578

>>16391456
despite that it's still better than a lot of countries, somehow people move there.

it should be the poorest country in europe

Anonymous at Sat, 21 Sep 2024 17:15:58 UTC No. 16391593

>>16391456
>https://www.worldometers.info/gdp/gdp-per-capita/
>Ireland 140k
That's a meme chart. Ireland is actually poor. it only looks rich on paper.

Anonymous at Sat, 21 Sep 2024 17:59:52 UTC No. 16391647

What does it even mean for a country to be poor.
The US is regarded as a wealthy country yet has a $34 trillion debt and rapidly growing, so obviously the labels aren't making much sense.

Anonymous at Sat, 21 Sep 2024 18:57:49 UTC No. 16391725

How do I make the jump from a computational neuroscience PhD to quant researcher? I have a lot of experience with personal quant trading in crypto markets.

Anonymous at Sat, 21 Sep 2024 19:32:37 UTC No. 16391769

>>16385347
Try Japan, Korea or Taiwan.

Anonymous at Sat, 21 Sep 2024 19:58:23 UTC No. 16391823

>>16385067
>Postdocs are a waste of life unless you intend to stay in academia
Strong diasgree, here. First off it gives you an opportunity to do domething else, you will get into the nine-to-five routine soon enough. Also it is a good opportunity to travel abroad, learn new languages and experience new cultures.
>(which most postdocs will not be able to do).
That is true
> Employers will still treat you (or at least pay you) as if you had 0 years of experience even if you did a 5 year postdoc in the thing they do.
I had one employer where HR though PhD as a different way to spell Bachelor and paid me accordingly. I got out of there. Later employers appreciated my experiences abroad and I got a few interesting tasks out of that. Also it lets my CV stand out from the rest. And let's face it, there are tons of very impressive CVs out there so differentiating yourself from the mass is hard.
>I heard a lot of PIs bitching about how hard it is to get postdocs to work for them these days so I'm always surprised when I hear people saying it is difficult to get them, but maybe there are field specific differences.
Strange. Perhaps they have made a bad reputation for themselves? I remember one place where we warned people off from joining our group... Anyway, around here PIs complain that they get avalances of applications from Iran.

Anonymous at Sat, 21 Sep 2024 20:17:38 UTC No. 16391850

>>16385347
America

Anonymous at Sat, 21 Sep 2024 20:19:08 UTC No. 16391851

>>16390979
>Have you came across any news that talks about hopes of an economic recovery anytime soon?
No, none. Experience is mixed: the collapse in 1987 was a knockout for the financial market and the job market. The former recovered quickly but the latter took about 7 years to recover. We might see the same here. Of course, another comparison was the collapse in 1929 that lead to WWII before we saw a recovery. Some generals expect China to invade Taiwan somewhere around 2026 - 2029. Expect fireworks, of the bad kind. Also:
https://archive.is/vm07U
>I know MSM says that the economy is doing fine and that Americans are drowning in jobs, but everyone knows that's a lie.
Same in Europe: incumbent politicians exclaim all is well, MSM agree loudly, the new right is on the rise and politicians fill the public sector with their loyal prople and even mass open new positions (for their friends). Meanwhile in private industry, people see through the lies. We are in the end game of the Iron Law of the Oligarchy.

Anonymous at Sat, 21 Sep 2024 20:20:48 UTC No. 16391852

>>16387442>>16387463
NSA is also recruiting, big time.

Anonymous at Sat, 21 Sep 2024 20:28:55 UTC No. 16391864

>>16391851
>Some generals expect China to invade Taiwan somewhere around 2026 - 2029
probably not happening
people think china is violent even though they haven't fought anything since korea

Anonymous at Sat, 21 Sep 2024 20:29:24 UTC No. 16391865

>>16387671
Are you >>16384676
You got tons of suggestions, how are you doing with those?
I did a freelancer writing part while I was looking for a real job. I used an alias so that my writing would not impact my later career, but could "surface" that alias had it been needed. The pay was OK.

Anonymous at Sat, 21 Sep 2024 20:52:57 UTC No. 16391896

>>16389251
You could join in on the effort over in PubPeer.

Anonymous at Sat, 21 Sep 2024 21:34:55 UTC No. 16391944

how difficult is it really to get the GRFP
two of my coworkers were awarded the NSF GRFP. I'm not sure if I'm just surrounded by genuine geniuses or if it's not as difficult to get as it's made out to be

Anonymous at Sat, 21 Sep 2024 22:22:36 UTC No. 16392009

>>16389863
Around here, I know of several people with a background in intelligence agencies who went to management consulting (MBB) and the finance industry. I have no idea what the connection between these are, I just observed the people.

Anonymous at Sat, 21 Sep 2024 22:25:46 UTC No. 16392011

>>16391430
>Why is Great Britain so prosperous?
What??
https://archive.is/yOqj3

Anonymous at Sat, 21 Sep 2024 22:28:24 UTC No. 16392014

>>16391460
It was prestigious the last few years up to the dot com implosion, when the dot com wave minted tons of software and quite a few hardware people. After that, not so much.

Anonymous at Sun, 22 Sep 2024 09:35:45 UTC No. 16392639

>>16391647
You are retarded, who holds the debt and under what terms? Government debt is not like household debt.

Anonymous at Sun, 22 Sep 2024 10:49:21 UTC No. 16392701

>>16391865
No success, unfortunately. I did research technical writing, but it seemed entirely dead because of ChatGPT.

I am still enrolled in a teacher training programme, but I dont think I can handle teaching kids -- at least at this point in time. I am also taking IT courses online.

I am considering studying a course sequence in intelligence studies at Lund University. Russian + Math + IT + Intelligence Studies should make an excellent candidate for intelligence jobs.

Anonymous at Sun, 22 Sep 2024 10:55:53 UTC No. 16392704

>>16392639
You're right bro, $34 trillion in debt and a permanent deficit spending is no biggie, everything is great and we've reached the end of history. We're niggerrich, which is like being rich but even better because black people are so cool.

Anonymous at Sun, 22 Sep 2024 11:08:03 UTC No. 16392708

>>16392704
Glad to see you've read your modern monetary theory

Anonymous at Sun, 22 Sep 2024 11:09:18 UTC No. 16392709

>>16392704
>Starts talking about black people out of nowhere

Anonymous at Sun, 22 Sep 2024 12:14:14 UTC No. 16392746

>>16389174
Reminds me of when I was applying left and right as an undergrad and had to go through five fucking rounds at Bloomberg, aced everything then got rejected in the team matching step with absolutely zero feedback despite making me go through onsites ... For a fucking internship.

I have a rare opportunity to do research at a group who regularly publishes strpng papers and works in a niche field where networking is key. It would be 6-12 months of RA and the guy has his own lab after 4 years of postdoc at a top-5 US school, we have known each other for 2 years, really likes me and told me hed get me as a phd studnet into one of the labs he works with (again, these are stanford/harvard tier schools). This, combined with publications in great venues could seriously be grounds for me to get a top us school PhD and translate that pubication + selective to a O-1 application and finally gtfo of Europe.
At the same time, I have offers from Uber and Databricks lined up but its in Europe, and I feel like I really dont want to continue playing the interview game AND the fucking H1B, I know for a fact that people coming from these closed circles in selective schools barely even have to prove themselves and get hired on the basis that they are from harvard.

Do I play the delayed gratification game and gamble on me doing a good enough job at his lab to get into his group as a phd or nah? Other than these offers, I dont have anything that makes me stand out of enough for a company to consider sponsoring my h1b and definitely cant get o1 without going through YC. And I also worry that Id regret not taking a fucking databricks offer when it was right in front of me.

Anonymous at Sun, 22 Sep 2024 12:22:53 UTC No. 16392759

>>16392701
>I did research technical writing, but it seemed entirely dead because of ChatGPT.
In the past we had a lot of bad articles written by bad journalists. Now we have equally bad articles grunted out by AI, which may sound persuasive but does not provide much beneath the gloss.
There will always be a place for someone who writes articles with genuine insight.

Anonymous at Sun, 22 Sep 2024 12:25:36 UTC No. 16392760

>>16392746
These are tough times, a job in industry is now high risk, and especially Uber. Doing a PhD the next 4 years might be safer, leaves no holes in the CV and should provide you with a good starting point for your future.

Anonymous at Sun, 22 Sep 2024 16:52:48 UTC No. 16393137

>>16392708
Yeah where debt equals wealth, sounds very jewish mysticism

Anonymous at Sun, 22 Sep 2024 17:00:10 UTC No. 16393143

>>16392709
>out of nowhere
>mocking the overarching american cultural ethos

Anonymous at Sun, 22 Sep 2024 17:56:23 UTC No. 16393214

>>16391439
Almost everyone that works in the private sector dislikes government workers to some degree. We know that you can be incompetent and fail upwards through an entire career, never producing anything of value to anyone, all while getting paid a nice salary that was extracted at gun point from the populace.

While it's surely not the case everywhere (ie nepotism, DEI), the general rule in the private sector is that you generate value or you get fired. Assuming you're a white or east asian male, but of course if you aren't the assumption that you're incompetent is even stronger. And of course the forces of nepotism and DEI garbage is always stronger in government.

It's simply just a safer bet to hire someone who's already proved themselves in the private sector as opposed to a potential leech that won't survive off the government's teat.

The line about "not fitting in" is a polite way to convey this attitude. I have no solutions for you, as this is a good thing.

Anonymous at Sun, 22 Sep 2024 22:54:20 UTC No. 16393698

>>16393214
in most first world countries the government is the biggest employer and is more powerful than the collection of private companies.

Anonymous at Sun, 22 Sep 2024 23:09:37 UTC No. 16393718

>>16391460
Tech bros and blue collar technicians corrupted the title. Being a principle partner at a firm with licenses and billable at $200 am hour carry’s weight. Being some excel monkey at Literally Who Corp doesn’t.

Anonymous at Sun, 22 Sep 2024 23:15:38 UTC No. 16393726

>>16391439
It’s funny because the flip side of this is if you try to go government sector after being private they won’t want to hire you because they think you’ll come in and be overproducing and make the rest of the organization look bad. Wild.

Anonymous at Sun, 22 Sep 2024 23:18:55 UTC No. 16393731

>>16391460
In the film “it’s a wonderful life” Jimmy Stewart’s character dreamed of being a civil engineer and had to “settle” for owning a bank. Fucking wild how shit changes.