🧵 Mathematicians are idiots
Anonymous at Sat, 7 Sep 2024 14:13:52 UTC No. 16365883
thinking that math axioms are somehow true because you can't explain them beyond them being self evident is an act of faight.
How can I be sure that self evident is an actual argument and not an onthologically religious based on faith.
Anonymous at Sat, 7 Sep 2024 14:27:02 UTC No. 16365900
>>16365883
Because what the fuck else are you supposed to do?
We know that our math follows from the axioms. We can make true/false statements based on that.
Anonymous at Sat, 7 Sep 2024 14:29:31 UTC No. 16365904
>>16365900
Just accept that math foundations of their knowledge empire are on sand foot.
You have to accept our entire attempts at reaching true are no diferent from theologians, philosophers and artists.
Anonymous at Sat, 7 Sep 2024 14:39:48 UTC No. 16365916
>>16365904
A bridge designed by math has a better chance of not collapsing than a bridge designed by theology, philosophomorism, or art.
Anonymous at Sat, 7 Sep 2024 14:41:34 UTC No. 16365918
>>16365916
that means the goal of math is just materialism consumption for capitalism.
Anonymous at Sat, 7 Sep 2024 14:42:23 UTC No. 16365920
>>16365918
Or crossing a stream to save a kitten.
Anonymous at Sat, 7 Sep 2024 14:43:56 UTC No. 16365923
>>16365920
you will never reach God if you keep your horizonts limited to empiricism.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HYs
Anonymous at Sat, 7 Sep 2024 14:45:19 UTC No. 16365926
>>16365883
Boolean gates are fundamental. Everything is built on them either explicitly or implicitly.
Anonymous at Sat, 7 Sep 2024 14:45:21 UTC No. 16365927
>>16365923
But if I want to save a kitten, math works better.
Anonymous at Sat, 7 Sep 2024 14:46:10 UTC No. 16365929
>>16365927
yes, but you're limited to the npc simulation if you stay on the lower levels your entire life.
Anonymous at Sat, 7 Sep 2024 14:47:43 UTC No. 16365932
>>16365926
boolean gates are nothing more than limits set by EE using voltage because is easier.
There's nothing stopping a computer system to be made of non boolean gates.
like water pipes.
Anonymous at Sat, 7 Sep 2024 14:50:12 UTC No. 16365936
>>16365929
Why don't you want to save the kitten?
Anonymous at Sat, 7 Sep 2024 14:50:36 UTC No. 16365937
>>16365932
Interdastish
Anonymous at Sat, 7 Sep 2024 14:51:41 UTC No. 16365939
>>16365883
Math is a study of languages.
You first create a set of grammatical rules.
You then create statements.
And then you check if those statements are grammatically valid.
Anonymous at Sat, 7 Sep 2024 14:52:18 UTC No. 16365942
>>16365939
And then what?
Anonymous at Sat, 7 Sep 2024 14:53:18 UTC No. 16365943
>>16365939
>t. overworked code monkey
Anonymous at Sat, 7 Sep 2024 14:54:08 UTC No. 16365945
>>16365942
If statement is interesting and turns out to be valid then you potentially learned something new you didn't know before.
Anonymous at Sat, 7 Sep 2024 14:54:38 UTC No. 16365946
>>16365943
And then what?
Anonymous at Sat, 7 Sep 2024 14:55:59 UTC No. 16365948
>>16365945
And then what?
Anonymous at Sat, 7 Sep 2024 14:57:12 UTC No. 16365951
>>16365946
No idea. Heart failure?
Anonymous at Sat, 7 Sep 2024 14:59:17 UTC No. 16365955
>>16365948
You say "Eureka!" and jerk off to celebrate.
Anonymous at Sat, 7 Sep 2024 15:01:57 UTC No. 16365957
>>16365955
Eureka Uranus. Maybe install a bidet?
Anonymous at Sat, 7 Sep 2024 15:07:38 UTC No. 16365962
>>16365957
The actual dials? Or the i-dials?
Anonymous at Sat, 7 Sep 2024 15:18:12 UTC No. 16366008
>>16365883
There is no mathematics without assumptions. Mathematics is deeply linked with our perception of the world. We assume quantities exist, they change over time, sometimes in predictable manner, which implies a set of rules that are self consistent to a degree. Abstractions, by default need assumptions.
Anonymous at Sat, 7 Sep 2024 15:33:03 UTC No. 16366027
>>16365883
>OP gateyeeted by all comers
Anonymous at Sat, 7 Sep 2024 19:34:40 UTC No. 16366389
>>16365900
>what the fuck else are you supposed to do?
Base your knowledge on empirical evidence
Anonymous at Sat, 7 Sep 2024 19:37:19 UTC No. 16366397
>>16365939
Words are as valuable as the things they symbolize are physically real, same with numbers.
Anonymous at Sat, 7 Sep 2024 19:41:40 UTC No. 16366407
>>16366389
>Base your knowledge on empirical evidence
So then are you supposed to do this without math?
Anonymous at Sat, 7 Sep 2024 19:54:14 UTC No. 16366438
>>16366407
Sometimes, but my point is that math isn't necessarily always grounded on reality, falsehood can be expressed as math as well.
Anonymous at Sat, 7 Sep 2024 20:31:23 UTC No. 16366503
>>16365883
Different prepositions and axioms are going to be true or false in different application scenarios.
The purpose of math is to create the logical framework by which to reason in systems where a set of axioms are assumed true.
That way, if there ends up being a scenario in which the axioms hold, we will be ready to reason more effectively about them, even if they do not hold in all scenarios.
Anonymous at Sat, 7 Sep 2024 20:56:31 UTC No. 16366547
>>16365883
Axioms are supertautological.
Anonymous at Sat, 7 Sep 2024 21:50:35 UTC No. 16366623
>>16366547
>Hoes are slutobimbological.
Thanks Roget
Anonymous at Sat, 7 Sep 2024 23:24:00 UTC No. 16366839
>baby discovers godels incompleteness theorem
Models are merely useful.
Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 09:53:34 UTC No. 16367762
>>16365900
Follow Kronecker?
Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 10:10:18 UTC No. 16367781
This is the beautiful thing about math. It requires free will, creativity, and access to the platonic realm in order to choose the right axioms. Meanwhile an NPC or an LLM can only do inference on a given set of axioms but never knows how to choose them freely.
Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 10:12:34 UTC No. 16367784
>>16366389
And then deal with the problem of induction, requiring you to use a different set of axioms. Smarter people than you have thought about this centuries ago
Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 10:16:28 UTC No. 16367791
>>16367781
This is wrong on so many levels.
>>16367762
Kronecker is the GOAT. A forgotten prophet. A genius of the highest magnitude.
Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 10:17:39 UTC No. 16367793
>>16365939
This is exactly something that someone who has never studied math would say.
Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 10:31:19 UTC No. 16367809
>>16367781
saved thanks for new images
Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 10:31:51 UTC No. 16367810
>>16367791
>This is wrong on so many levels.
Yet you can't name one.
Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 12:55:46 UTC No. 16368006
>>16365883
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cUz
[18:50]
>find imaginary numbers
>use them for solving equations
>200 years later they show up in fundamental equation that describes reality
>schroedinger himself cringed
probably one of the most fundamental questions.
is math 'real' and we found it or is it just in our heads?
the problem is: there are very good arguments to believe both.
Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 13:43:31 UTC No. 16368083
>>16365900
>Because what the fuck else are you supposed to do?
Wooosh, utilitarian much, the worst possible answer you could have given, my good Sir. kindly kys now.
Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 16:56:29 UTC No. 16368375
>>16368006
>is a flag real, or is it the nation it represents?
>is the word 'bread' real, or is it the food it refers to?
>is morality real, or is it emotional bias?
>is time real, or is it causality?
Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 17:26:57 UTC No. 16368413
>>16368375
>is there a meaning hidden in that reply, or is it bait?
Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 17:32:23 UTC No. 16368422
>>16368375
A flag is real. A nation isn't.
A word isn't real. A food is.
The fuck is wrong with you boy?
Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 18:16:55 UTC No. 16368473
No one takes them for granted. It's called axiomatix system for a reason.
You can create algebra with your own axiomatic system. 2+2=5 for example. It's just that such algebra will be inconvenient and kinda useless for a real world application. But when you study math, you literally have to work in different axiomatic systems to understand a fucking algebra.
Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 18:28:17 UTC No. 16368492
>>16368422
>genetics are real on all living organisms but humans
Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 18:30:33 UTC No. 16368495
>>16368492
Are you drunk or just stupid?
Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 19:36:35 UTC No. 16368566
>>16365916
>art
But bridge used to be build from that. In fact, a lot of stuff were build without using math at all, only art. When was the last time you heard about math developments during the Roman Empire? There is a good book called The Engineering's Mind that has a whole chapter on how things used to be built using more art than math.
Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 20:00:12 UTC No. 16368591
looks like a Russian demoralization thread
>I'm going to make some false statements and attack people
Anonymous at Sun, 8 Sep 2024 20:02:11 UTC No. 16368595
the basis for this thread is falsehood and hatred