🧵 You dont believe black holes are singularities anon, do you?
Anonymous at Tue, 10 Sep 2024 07:29:52 UTC No. 16371443
If you believe mathematical singularities(math error) are real physical objects that float around in space you belong in a mental asylum.
Anonymous at Tue, 10 Sep 2024 07:43:03 UTC No. 16371462
good bait, enjoy your 150 post thread full of shitflinging and stembabby retardation
Anonymous at Tue, 10 Sep 2024 08:58:31 UTC No. 16371551
Anyone with half a brain cell knows that infinity is not real.
Anonymous at Tue, 10 Sep 2024 09:30:51 UTC No. 16371635
>>16371443
and the schwarzschild radius works because?
and what about penroses proof that it takes a singularity to produce such properties?
and what about big bang if singularities arent real?
Anonymous at Tue, 10 Sep 2024 10:30:09 UTC No. 16371820
If black holes exist due to a singularity point with zero volume but infinite density, why are some black holes bigger than others. Are their zero-volume infinitely dense singularities bigger or something?
Anonymous at Tue, 10 Sep 2024 10:42:15 UTC No. 16371853
>>16371820
>If black holes exist due to a singularity point with zero volume but infinite density, why are some black holes bigger than others. Are their zero-volume infinitely dense singularities bigger or something?
the formation is not based on the singularity itself but on the exceeding of a critical density in neutron stars.
heisenberg counteracts the compression (by reducing the distances between the neutrons, their location is described more precisely, which increases their momentum), but at a particularly high gravity, gravity wins and a black hole is created.
the impression of size is created by schwarzschild radius (event horizon).
Anonymous at Tue, 10 Sep 2024 10:44:47 UTC No. 16371856
>>16371462
>stembabby retardation
/his/ is even worse than this place, and /lit/ isn't that much better
Anonymous at Tue, 10 Sep 2024 12:13:16 UTC No. 16372025
>>16371635
>and what about big bang if singularities arent real?
this one I think would still be valid. The initial size of the universe wasn't a singularity but has been estimated to be somewhere between a the size of a single atom to about 2m diameter
Anonymous at Tue, 10 Sep 2024 12:32:52 UTC No. 16372058
>>16372025
I thought according to inflation theory, it was a quantum fluctuation that has been inflated.
that would be smaller.
Anonymous at Tue, 10 Sep 2024 12:40:38 UTC No. 16372076
>>16371551
There's a study from 2016 which proves the wavefunction is ontologically real.
And not only is it ""real"", it's also ontologically superior to gross-mattered reality, which can be seamlessly and scientifically proven.
There are no particles. Standing waves are the scaffolding/display screen of physical reality, and active information/conscious energy being explicated from the nondual implicate order is the projection beam.
These are the "shadows" dancing around Plato's cave.
The metaphysical frame rate of this projection (or resolution of the holoplenum display, if you will) is precisely one planck length, and each holosphere lies enfolded at the center of quantum black holes located at the center of everything, everywhere, arranged in a tetrahedral configurations. This is Indra's Web, the Flower Of Life, the akashic field, and so on.
This is also why the water molecule is tetrahedral in nature, it's an antenna (and giving form to an antenna is what makes it able to receive the broadcast in the first place).
Everything is EM. Everying is One. This shit's all sacred and stuff, yo
Anonymous at Tue, 10 Sep 2024 12:45:09 UTC No. 16372080
>>16371443
I like the idea of fuzzballs
Anonymous at Tue, 10 Sep 2024 15:23:36 UTC No. 16372345
>>16372076
>And not only is it ""real"", it's also ontologically superior to gross-mattered reality
This is the final stage of modern physics
Completely going to the schizo side and becoming so enamored with your own made up theories you begin to deny reality itself whenever and wherever it clashes with your made up models
They already reached that scale, right now fundamental (theoretical, schizo) physicists are having debates and publishing papers against "reality" "local realism" and "causality", why? Because it clashes with their theories.
>my equations create a division by 0 which create infinite density.
>could my equations be wrong?
>no, singularities must be real, logical paradoxes are a fact of life, in fact its logic itself that is wrong not einstein!
Fun exercise: try to explain anything a blackhole does while assuming all its mass is at a singularity at the center and assuming all of einstein’s equations are in use
I found 19 paradoxes and impossibilities while trying to do that its a fun exercise
To truly get a scope of how nonsensical einstein’s math is, remember what the distortion metric for the space time BEYOND the event horizon is.... and remember that your magical singularity is supposed to be in there.
Yeah eisntein’s equations dont exactly "work", rather every single nominative statement breaks down into math errors when using einstein’s equtions near black holes. But theyre still totally valid. Totally. Shirley.
🗑️ Anonymous at Tue, 10 Sep 2024 19:03:38 UTC No. 16372856
>>16372345
>in fact its logic itself that is wrong not einstein!
Contradicting the dogma of St. Einstein the infallible god of the IFLS atheists is a career ending move. Its even worse than contradicting Darwin.
Anonymous at Tue, 10 Sep 2024 19:15:47 UTC No. 16372881
Anonymous at Tue, 10 Sep 2024 21:54:21 UTC No. 16373250
Anonymous at Wed, 11 Sep 2024 05:19:44 UTC No. 16373721
>>16372881
Really now?
Can you describe to me the value of the curvature of space within the event horizon using einstein’s math?
Anonymous at Wed, 11 Sep 2024 05:46:22 UTC No. 16373744
>>16373721
>0.1.4
Anonymous at Wed, 11 Sep 2024 15:38:25 UTC No. 16374376
>>16373744
Wrong, math error
There is no curvature beyond the event horizon because the slope is vertical at the event horizon
There cannot be a point beyond it as there is no horizontal componnent
This is why all depictions of black holes stretching space time are sliced at the bottom. According to general relativity black holes are physical tears in space, spheroids where there exists no spacetime, and yet somehow a singularity at the center of that
General relativity cannot describe anything beyond the event horizon if a black hole. It breaks down into math-vomit
Anonymous at Wed, 11 Sep 2024 16:23:05 UTC No. 16374436
>>16374376
sorry chud but infinities arent real because they cannot be proven to exist
any statement that is unprovable is automatically false because it is nonsense
Anonymous at Thu, 12 Sep 2024 02:45:26 UTC No. 16375378
>>16371820
>Are their zero-volume infinitely dense singularities bigger or something?
Their density goes to infinity and beyond.
🗑️ Anonymous at Fri, 13 Sep 2024 19:03:02 UTC No. 16378993
if black holes are real what happens to the infinite angular momentum at the singularity?
Anonymous at Sat, 14 Sep 2024 01:27:13 UTC No. 16379406
I don't believe black holes exist outside of being a speculative concept made up by physicists.
Anonymous at Sat, 14 Sep 2024 02:03:03 UTC No. 16379444
>>16378993
Electrons have nonphysical angular momentum too, it just gets packed into spin
Anonymous at Sat, 14 Sep 2024 04:54:59 UTC No. 16379599
>>16372076
>This is also why the water molecule is tetrahedral in nature, it's an antenna (and giving form to an antenna is what makes it able to receive the broadcast in the first place).
really love how when you actually think about it, you could model particles as their own antennae. doesn't change the fact that you're a retard, but never thought about that before so good job i guess
🗑️ Anonymous at Sat, 14 Sep 2024 23:02:04 UTC No. 16380860
>>16379406
>speculative concept made up by science fiction writers posing as scientists for clout
Anonymous at Sun, 15 Sep 2024 00:31:32 UTC No. 16380971
>>16371635
>And what about sneed’s theorem? Give me five billion dollars to come up with more gibberish
🗑️ Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 02:40:17 UTC No. 16382594
>>16380971
>Give me five billion dollars to come up with more gibberish
6 billion is a more likely number
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 03:55:50 UTC No. 16382641
>>16371443
>what is a kerr black hole?
This is a solved problem, retards
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 18:17:56 UTC No. 16383589
Eve
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 00:18:11 UTC No. 16383977
>>16372856
Darwin was right though
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 06:29:11 UTC No. 16384267
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 12:21:54 UTC No. 16384548
If normies were smart enough to know how stupid all you retards really are they'd strap you to wooden chairs and throw you in the river as witches, rightfully so as well. A bunch of dumb ass faggot witches screeching about imaginary bullshit in some imaginary land no one will ever visit or photograph. No no I don't want to see the bull shit fuzzy fake photo you generated from bullshit sound waves. 30 days of data for a smear of pixels you forced a program into making is not "proof of black holes"
Black holes are all bullshit and even the physicists who study and profit off them are starting to admit it. They've paid off their houses and are at the end of their lives, no need to keep lying.
Big bang never happened and you faggots are all retards to the core, heartfelt.
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 13:42:38 UTC No. 16384637
>>16384548
cool story, /pol/.
🗑️ Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 01:06:51 UTC No. 16385450
>>16383977
No he wasn't
Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 08:50:47 UTC No. 16385827
>>16371443
Black hole isn't a singularity, its just a mass with escape velocity greater than light speed..
Singularities have infinite density creating an infinite space-curvature.. Black holes do not have an infinite space-curvature.
ALSO: An infinitely dense singularity is itself equal in potential equivalence to an entire universe.. so yes, the physical laws of this universe would have a problem with a universe existing within this universe.
Where exactly does an entire universe to be conveniently stuffed into an infinitely small point location come from in the first place?
Does getting pissed about imaginary made up objects not comfortably fitting in within the laws governing the real world really keep you up at night?
Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 09:01:18 UTC No. 16385832
QUESTION!
What is the actual topology of a black hole? The simplest one
Is it just curved spacetime or somehow... disconnected? Topologically different from 4D flat space?
Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 09:13:30 UTC No. 16385839
>>16371443
>muh math model stops working because asymptote
>it must be a freakin' time machine goys!
Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 09:17:04 UTC No. 16385841
>>16379444
bullshit
what a retard
everything has angular momentum.
Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 09:17:39 UTC No. 16385842
>>16371635
The fact those mathematical curiosities back each other doesn't mean they reflect reality, at most that shows the model is consistent and that is a bare minimum.
Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 09:24:27 UTC No. 16385849
>>16372025
Anything requiring stuff to magically pre-exist is nothing more than bailing out when things get too difficult to continue onwards.
Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 17:38:23 UTC No. 16386280
>>16385842
cool story, make a more consistent model.
🗑️ Anonymous at Thu, 19 Sep 2024 01:38:53 UTC No. 16386987
>>16386280
in the case of black holes thats already been done, the century old schwarzschild model has long since been disproved by subsequent science on many occasions, you're just not familiar enough with the nuts and bolts of the schwarzschild model to understand that its been disproved.
for example, the schwarzschild model was created on the basis of calculated limits for neutron degeneracy pressure, which is the pressure at which neutrons are no longer capable of supporting their structure and decay. back in schwarzschild's day neutrons were considered to be fundamental particles, so if they collapsed there was supposedly nothing left to support the structure. however subsequent science showed that neutrons are not fundamental particles and that they're made of quarks and since its been proved that quark degeneracy pressure has no calculable limits, its impossible for black holes to form in the way described in the schwarzschild model.
🗑️ Anonymous at Fri, 20 Sep 2024 00:59:01 UTC No. 16388520
reminder that the full complete name of the schwarzschild black hole theory is "the non-rotating black hole theory".
name any known non-rotating object massive enough to be a black hole precursor object
name any known non-rotating astronomical object at all
the black hole idea was never intended to be taken seriously, it was just gedankenexperiment
Anonymous at Fri, 20 Sep 2024 09:49:33 UTC No. 16389141
>>16388520
good thing all the other solutions to einstein field equations for rotating black holes also deliver a schwarzschild radius (or whatever you prefer to call it) and match observations.
Anonymous at Fri, 20 Sep 2024 10:06:12 UTC No. 16389150
>>16371443
>If you believe mathematical singularities(math error) are real physical objects
The mathematics of black holes can be used to describe the behaviour of ocean vortices
https://arxiv.org/abs/1308.2352
Anonymous at Fri, 20 Sep 2024 11:48:53 UTC No. 16389242
>>16374376
>because the slope is vertical at the event horizon
>
No, that's a coordinate artefact. The Finkelstein transformation eliminates it. The true singularity lies at the centre.
Anonymous at Fri, 20 Sep 2024 17:09:18 UTC No. 16389741
>escape velocity greater than c
lmao at not understanding GR and not understanding math or physics, lmao at using a newtonian calculation of escape velocity and then trying to apply it to a relativistic situation and finally lmao at the light being redshifted to the point that it's wavelength is far greater than the schwarzschild radius and escaping anyway
p.s. lmao at not understanding basic concepts in optics
Anonymous at Fri, 20 Sep 2024 22:01:23 UTC No. 16390281
>>16385827
>escape velocity greater than light speed..
There are no velocities greater than light speed in general relativity
🗑️ Anonymous at Sat, 21 Sep 2024 02:55:47 UTC No. 16390805
>>16390281
no shit sherlock, that's why they're called black holes.
🗑️ Anonymous at Sat, 21 Sep 2024 03:08:37 UTC No. 16390818
>deliberately contentious cunt
lmao, at pulling his cock while hiding
Anonymous at Sat, 21 Sep 2024 03:13:09 UTC No. 16390823
>>16390281
no shit sherlock