Anonymous at Wed, 11 Sep 2024 05:30:38 UTC No. 16373731

>>16373720
It's not unless you only look at the social sciences + 3rd world.

Anonymous at Wed, 11 Sep 2024 05:42:11 UTC No. 16373740

>>16373731
I doubt social sciences use westernblotter.

Anonymous at Wed, 11 Sep 2024 05:45:00 UTC No. 16373743

>>16373720
In general- it's an aristocracy. Money comes down from heaven, so the incentive is to cater to each other and the gods. The result is open corruption, office politics, egotism, and other petty horseshit pretty much instantly.

Fields with practical applications tend to be much more resistant, because at some point somebody has to actually transplant a liver or get a rocket into orbit, but it's not immune. Especially if nobody in charge really cares how many patients die or rockets fail to launch. Fields where nobody actually does anything are entirely composed of this from Day 1, because it makes literally no difference what you spew from a practical standpoint, so power games are all that's left.

For China specifically- communism absolutely disintegrates social cohesion and morality, and that lasts for generations afterwards. Russia is still built almost entirely out of bullshit and corruption, and it's been a noncommunist police state for decades. China is still basically communist, despite numerous concessions to reality, and so it's renowned for the absolute lack of fucks its people give about each other.

Anonymous at Wed, 11 Sep 2024 06:03:10 UTC No. 16373767

>>16373740
Yeah, hence why I said 3rd world AND the social sciences. Predominantly China and India.

Anonymous at Wed, 11 Sep 2024 06:05:58 UTC No. 16373770

>>16373743
reddit spacing

Anonymous at Wed, 11 Sep 2024 06:06:01 UTC No. 16373771

>>16373720
When science became a profession rather than something rich people do in their spare time. If you need to get results to get paid then morality and good principles can be discarded as soon as they become inconvenient

Anonymous at Wed, 11 Sep 2024 06:07:08 UTC No. 16373773

>>16373743
Great job pulling 3 paragraphs of shit right out of your ass and making me read part of it.

Anonymous at Wed, 11 Sep 2024 06:09:29 UTC No. 16373775

>>16373720
There's a lot of garbage biology in the bottom half, but I see plenty of strong and interesting Chinese papers at least in biochemistry/molecular biology.

🗑️ Anonymous at Wed, 11 Sep 2024 15:30:50 UTC No. 16374364

>>16373720
always has been

Anonymous at Wed, 11 Sep 2024 15:41:56 UTC No. 16374380

>>16373731
>It's not
90% of published peer reviewed papers are fraudulent and made up

Almost as if having peers pat themselves on the back in a massive corruption circlejerk wasnt a good idea

Anonymous at Wed, 11 Sep 2024 15:51:11 UTC No. 16374389

>>16373731
>only + 3rd world
this isn't true. there were two nobel prizes in medicine at top 3-5 institutions in the US caught committing repeating scientific fraud just the last year.
scientific fraud have been widespread for awhile. it's just now we have the tool to start catching a (small) portion of them.

Anonymous at Wed, 11 Sep 2024 18:08:28 UTC No. 16374609

>>16373771
This is the real issue. The physical sciences are cruel and unforgiving, and the rate at which novel ideas can be discovered is fundamentally incompatible with the jewish work structure of weekly deadlines and having to pay off goyberg's monthly rent.

Anonymous at Wed, 11 Sep 2024 22:05:19 UTC No. 16374967

>>16373720
Bureaucracies like Academia but also government attract Machiavellian who corrupt the system to satisfy their immediate needs of wealth and status.

Anonymous at Wed, 11 Sep 2024 22:33:32 UTC No. 16375030

>>16373720
Well at least they gave us CRISPR
Can't fake that shit

Anonymous at Wed, 11 Sep 2024 23:21:29 UTC No. 16375113

>>16373720
>china

Anonymous at Thu, 12 Sep 2024 00:13:59 UTC No. 16375194

>>16374380
Yup. People don't realize that data corruption happens here in huge amounts as well. I worked for a small nutra/pharmaceutical company some years ago and we'd send shit to Cameroon for trials. When data didn't come back with the desired outcome they would make calls and tell them to "run it again." Then, magically, the results would become more favorable in almost all cases.

One difference is that in West people don't just corrupt certain data points they've also become masters at using statistics to manipulate people and lie. It's not just limited to fields of science either but all mediums of business that have statistical reporting.

There's a book titled "How to Lie With Statistics," by Darrell Huff.
Here's a free copy from Internet Archive. It's only like 70 pages but a good read. It even made Bill Gates' "recommended books." That figures, right?
https://archive.org/details/HowToLieWithStatistics_201608

Here's the description:
>Have you ever wondered how the people who publish statistics so often turn up numbers that support their position? Sometimes, the numbers really do support the person or group publishing them, but statistics aren’t as objective as we might like to believe.

>In How to Lie With Statistics, author Darrell Huff explains how people with agendas manipulate figures and how they’re presented to create statistics that support their views. You’ll learn how to spot shady sampling and graphs that are technically accurate but visually misleading. You’ll also learn why suspiciously precise numbers really are suspicious. Finally, you’ll learn about a quick questionnaire you can use to evaluate the legitimacy of any statistic you’re presented with.

I doubt anyone is nerdy enough to care, but still worth sharing.

Anonymous at Thu, 12 Sep 2024 00:18:14 UTC No. 16375201

>>16374389
He knows it's not true but he will continue to post that because poisoning the well is his goal, which is exactly what you should expect from people who think fraud is ok as long as it's done by people they like.

Anonymous at Thu, 12 Sep 2024 00:57:15 UTC No. 16375252

>>16373720
Chinese don’t have morals. Study Taoism

Anonymous at Thu, 12 Sep 2024 01:15:17 UTC No. 16375283

>>16374389
>>16375201
What fraud? Can you provide a link?

Anonymous at Thu, 12 Sep 2024 02:19:48 UTC No. 16375339

>>16373720
>How
Research was tied to public funding instead of private sponsors.
The solution is to bring back the patron system

Anonymous at Thu, 12 Sep 2024 02:23:04 UTC No. 16375341

>>16373720
There is way too much science being done to even scrutinize it all any more, let alone verify
It's a ripe environment for scams because as long as you produce something kinda plausible-looking there's a decently high probability it will just go through because it would take too many resources to deboonk you

🗑️ Anonymous at Thu, 12 Sep 2024 23:47:55 UTC No. 16377721

>>16373720
Atheism is what powers fraud. Christian scientists do experiments in order to further understand God's creation and they are happy with whatever results they get. Atheists do experiments looking for a predetermined result and have no issue with lying if they don't get the desired result. There is no prohibition against lying for atheists, only Christians believe that dishonesty is immoral

Anonymous at Fri, 13 Sep 2024 02:30:57 UTC No. 16377941

>>16374380
It's turtles all the way down. If they expose fraud, they themselves are fraudsters and their fraud is at risk of getting exposed.

Anonymous at Fri, 13 Sep 2024 02:52:31 UTC No. 16377956

>>16373720
its always funny when muttmericans blame china for fake data when they’ve been faking entire scientific fields since the 50s

Anonymous at Fri, 13 Sep 2024 05:13:35 UTC No. 16378040

But muh meritocracy...

Anonymous at Fri, 13 Sep 2024 05:35:09 UTC No. 16378070

>>16375113
why are we taking people from the bottom third of that and flooding them into the countries on the top third?

Anonymous at Fri, 13 Sep 2024 05:44:00 UTC No. 16378077

>>16378070
because they ask for less money to do the same work and our enlightened and progressive society rejects racism and nationalism and embraces capitalism

Anonymous at Fri, 13 Sep 2024 10:22:01 UTC No. 16378289

Academia is an atheist bourgeois social construct, so it was never about truth and sincerity. Bourgeois don't believe in truth, they said there's not truth to justify their bourgeois revolutions.

Anonymous at Fri, 13 Sep 2024 11:37:15 UTC No. 16378367

>>16378040
Yeah, meritocracy, not honestocracy.

Anonymous at Fri, 13 Sep 2024 11:43:22 UTC No. 16378378

>>16375113
>Mexico

Anonymous at Fri, 13 Sep 2024 15:02:27 UTC No. 16378620

>>16373720
Academic circles need a massive anti-fraud anti-plagarism campaign.
>>16373743
This.

Anonymous at Fri, 13 Sep 2024 15:07:03 UTC No. 16378627

>>16373720
Thanks capitalism

Anonymous at Fri, 13 Sep 2024 15:11:46 UTC No. 16378638

>>16375194
People have been swallowed up by leftist mentality.
Begin a 16 year process to restore civilization.

Anonymous at Fri, 13 Sep 2024 17:56:27 UTC No. 16378884

yeah and this shit is why nobody reads or trusts chink papers

it's reached the point I unironically start raising eyebrows if there's even 1 Chinese coauthor

Anonymous at Fri, 13 Sep 2024 18:32:27 UTC No. 16378941

>>16373743
>communism absolutely disintegrates social cohesion and morality
Yeah, China totally has less social cohesion than the west. You dumbfuck, you know nothing about China. Reddit is a CIA hotspot and you’re gobbling up their cum

Anonymous at Fri, 13 Sep 2024 22:11:02 UTC No. 16379216

>>16373720
Scicence has ALWAYS been full of frauds, misinformation, and people fudging their data. It only seems to have increased because the number of people with science degrees have increased as have the number of publications. The sheer mass of stuff being published has overburdened the peer review system, meaning fuck ups are almost never detected unless they are blatant. In the 19th century or early 20th cen. you only had a handful of journals for any given field while today there are hundreds, not to mention bot generated articles. Scientists have found that letting this continue is much better for their careers. Publish or perish culture leads to cut throat competition, so poor review processes are great because they allow you to reduce the quality of your work or put out flimsy papers to pad out your resume. Corporations and politicians often want a specific scientific opinion so they have a vested interest in fudging data or hiring scientists specifically tasked to fudge data.

>Fields with practical applications tend to be much more resistant
See the Macchiarini scandal. That guy was a star surgeon at University College London, one of Europe's most prestigious colleges part of England's version of the Ivy League. Despite his theories being absolute junk, nobody lifted a finger untill a dozen patients wound up dying in his human experiments.

Anonymous at Fri, 13 Sep 2024 22:18:41 UTC No. 16379228

Somehow related:
I chose to be an engineer (aerospace) instead of a scientist (planned on either astronomy, astrophysics or physics) because of how much of a detached, paper mill bullshit modern science has become. No place to be in if one wants to actually do something meaningful.
Even the few scientists that I know that are actually doing something worthwhile also have to make bullshit papers that are just rehashes of their previous ones so that they can fulfill the quota and get money for actual research.

Anonymous at Sat, 14 Sep 2024 00:46:59 UTC No. 16379386

>>16379228
Scientists would be happy to work in a place they feel is secure, their presence is respected, and the funding (as far as their reasonable imagination can reach) is limitless. The current paper mill set up would be the exact opposite of this ideal environment.
If people are losing British pilots and scientists (no matter how small the number) to the PRC, there is a reason for it. Entrenched interests insisting on some form of plantation minority enlightened rule vs. majority niggers, which is a throwback to 18the century way of doing things, is why we are losing our edge and the society becomes more and more degenerate until actual productive members leave for greener pastures.
This can happen in any groups and institutions, not just academia.

Anonymous at Sat, 14 Sep 2024 11:56:20 UTC No. 16379875

>>16373720

The Han are animals, but data itself is nothing but manipulation.

Anonymous at Sat, 14 Sep 2024 13:17:22 UTC No. 16379950

>>16379216
Peer review is not science anymore than spellchecking is journalism.

Anonymous at Sun, 15 Sep 2024 00:59:01 UTC No. 16381011

>>16373743
aye

Anonymous at Sun, 15 Sep 2024 01:00:54 UTC No. 16381012

>>16375113
what is this graph depicting?

🗑️ Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 02:46:00 UTC No. 16382601

>>16378070
All part of the jews' white genocide program

Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 02:50:25 UTC No. 16382604

>>16373720
Results are all that matter. It's gotten so bad that they've had to 100% tariff chinese cars because they can't compete and sanction the export of Chinese chips which led them to develop new chip technology that uses light.

🗑️ Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 02:43:24 UTC No. 16384107

>>16378289
>Bourgeois don't believe in truth
its actually atheists who don't don't believe in truth. its possible to be a bougie Christian and still obey the 10 commandments. in fact having all that extra bougie cash makes being honest even easier in some cases.
it isn't possible to be an atheist and also be honest

Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 06:25:38 UTC No. 16384265

Fix this

Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 08:02:01 UTC No. 16384316

>>16384107
Atheists are perfectly capable of being their own godhead, you slave morality faggot

Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 08:09:16 UTC No. 16384323

>>16373720
>another anti china post
So brave, so unique

🗑️ Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 01:28:55 UTC No. 16385484

>>16384316
atheists are not capable of being honest.

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 12:22:30 UTC No. 16385966

>>16373767
indians and chinese have huge brains compared to their bodies.
extremely cerebral cultures.

leave your science to them

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 16:16:20 UTC No. 16386172

>>16373720
This is America's way of coping with how quickly Chinese scientific research is growing, already surpassing America. We have a problem with people believing in science in general, so being concerned with academic inflation in China seems very poltical.

🗑️ Anonymous at Thu, 19 Sep 2024 00:57:02 UTC No. 16386956

>>16384316
>Ernest Jones, in 1913, was the first to construe extreme narcissism, which he called the "God-complex", as a character flaw. He described people with God-complex as being aloof, self-important, overconfident, auto-erotic, inaccessible, self-admiring, and exhibitionistic, with fantasies of omnipotence and omniscience. He observed that these people had a high need for uniqueness.

Anonymous at Fri, 20 Sep 2024 18:50:22 UTC No. 16389897

>>16373720
scientists don't have consciences

Anonymous at Fri, 20 Sep 2024 20:32:37 UTC No. 16390051

>>16373720
Is science Chinese? Was it invented by China? No.
Is there a benefit to ignoring it?
Yes.
So then you don't have to respect it.

Anonymous at Fri, 20 Sep 2024 20:52:39 UTC No. 16390107

>>16384323
is something only of merit if it's brave and unique?

Anonymous at Fri, 20 Sep 2024 21:25:39 UTC No. 16390204

>>16374609
he's antisemitic, but he's right