Anonymous at Fri, 13 Sep 2024 18:24:34 UTC No. 16378930

>no falsifiable predictions
>no data
>no measurement
Blind posturing is retarded, and you're retarding for thinking anything like it is scientific

Anonymous at Fri, 13 Sep 2024 18:40:48 UTC No. 16378958

>>16378930
So an alien UFO isn’t science because we don’t know how it works? It’s magic, but it’s still science to the alien.

Anonymous at Fri, 13 Sep 2024 18:42:41 UTC No. 16378962

>>16378930
>he thinks science is something to purely apply and nothing else
Einstein is rolling in his grave.

Anonymous at Fri, 13 Sep 2024 18:48:13 UTC No. 16378975

>>16378958
It's not magic.
>>16378962
Where did I say that? faggot retard.

Anonymous at Fri, 13 Sep 2024 18:56:18 UTC No. 16378983

>>16378975
>It's not magic.
Of course it is. “How did you do that? How does that work?” That’s magic. Pulling a white rabbit out of a black hat. Indistinguishable from religion, too. “How does the sky turn black and then blue?” “I don’t know, it must be the gods!”. “What about the sun?” “It’s a giant dung beetle rolling a giant fiery ball across the starry plains!” There is no bigger magician than the universe. Ignorance outnumbers the truth—you can interpret anything in any way you want; the imagination is scary.
>>16378975
>Where did I say that? faggot retard
You implied it. Just because we can’t poke at something, doesn’t mean the science isn’t there, lying in wait, for all time. The “music of the spheres” as Einstein put it. Nature runs, it has actual processes, and if it/anything works, it is/has science to it.

Anonymous at Fri, 13 Sep 2024 18:58:37 UTC No. 16378986

>>16378983
>literally everything is magic
Meaningless term, then. Useless as you are, fag.
>literally everything is science
See above.
If you go by the definitions that people use rather than making up your own to win internet arguments, you're simply wrong.

>but what about my strawman of your argument that you "implied"

Anonymous at Fri, 13 Sep 2024 19:11:35 UTC No. 16379001

>>16378986
>Meaningless term, then
Anything can be magic, yes. It’s just a word for wonder, mystery, etc. Literally everything in nature out there was at one point considered or seen as magic. Even math—all the way from Pythagoras to Sir Isaac Newton—was magic at one point. There is nothing simpler than math. If that can be seen as magic, why not literally anything else?

Magic lies within the mind’s eye. It is what you make of it. Drop a candy bar wrapper in the past, and it’s magic—“any sufficiently advanced garbage is indistinguishable from magic” is a funny twist on the “any sufficiently advanced tech/science is indistinguishable from magic” saying by Clarke.

Even famous fantasy authors like Tolkien knew this, and his elves don’t believe in (elven) magic, it’s all just Art to them, the same way everything in the 21st century is art-ificial (artificial, artifice, etc, come from art), and taken for granted. All elves are quite used to what they do. The black machinery of Mordor is also seen as “black magic”. The wizards aren’t wizards back home in Valinor—their role is to act and look like wizards to lesser lifeforms, like some guiding alien sage. The elves look to the Maia/wizards the same way men and hobbits look to the elves. Their (the elves’) bar for magic is simply higher than it is for men and hobbits. Dwarves are somewhere in between.

Magic is an angle. A bar. Science is just one half/side of that same coin. There is information you have—science—and then there is information you don’t have—magic—but often what is magic to one is not going to be magic to another. Often times, the humble and capital-w Wizard is not going to see their wonders as magic.

It all meets in the end.

Anonymous at Fri, 13 Sep 2024 19:33:38 UTC No. 16379032

>>16379001
Please namefag so my filters pick up your schizoposts automatically.

Anonymous at Fri, 13 Sep 2024 19:36:08 UTC No. 16379035

>>16379032
I’m just using basic logic. By calling me a schizo, I have to assume you’re a troll.

Anonymous at Fri, 13 Sep 2024 19:38:54 UTC No. 16379039

>>16379035
He’s calling you a schizo because your logic implies that his religion is false. You have shoved him into a corner, and you expect anything else?

Anonymous at Fri, 13 Sep 2024 19:41:08 UTC No. 16379041

>>16378925
Science deals purely in prediction, specifically predicting incoming experiences based on current experiences and isolating those patterns that are reproducible.
Metaphysics on the other hand deals in the interpretation of all experiences; reproducible or not.

Anonymous at Fri, 13 Sep 2024 19:43:28 UTC No. 16379046

>>16379039
That’s sad. Religion isn’t supposed to be true. That defeats the whole point of faith and belief. The entire purpose.

There’s a very old Jewish joke, about two Rabbis who argued over the course of a night, and in the morning agreed that no God actually exists. That same morning, they were still seen going to their nearby Synagogue—“what does His existence have to do with it?”.

Religion is a narrative. A story. Something you model and guide your life by. It’s not supposed to be true, very much the same way magic isn’t supposed to exist, or how cold, darkness, and holes aren’t meant to exist. It’s an absence. An absent, relative existence.

This is why psychology is so powerful. As you don’t need mind control powers to go and mind control people.

Anonymous at Fri, 13 Sep 2024 20:20:49 UTC No. 16379100

Scientists today have lost their sense of wonder/magic. They don’t even know the meaning of philosophy. Or how science is itself a descendant of it.

What does the physicist say when they’re confronting something new/weird? “Hmm. That’s weird… I wonder how that works.”

Does that not sound familiar at all?

Anonymous at Fri, 13 Sep 2024 20:38:31 UTC No. 16379127

>>16379035
I'm calling you a schizo because I'm not reading your meaningless ramble about "magic being real"

Anonymous at Fri, 13 Sep 2024 20:40:32 UTC No. 16379133

>>16379127
Is cold real? Is darkness?

Anonymous at Fri, 13 Sep 2024 21:26:28 UTC No. 16379168

>>16379133
>can you walk into a room which contains a lack of heat?
yes
>can you walk into a room which contains a lack of photons?
yes
>can you walk into a room which contains a lack of things which obey physical laws?
no

Anonymous at Fri, 13 Sep 2024 21:45:09 UTC No. 16379195

>>16379168
You appear to have a fundamental misunderstanding of base physics.

Anonymous at Fri, 13 Sep 2024 22:18:07 UTC No. 16379227

>>16379195
>no argument
let me guess what your argument was gonna be:
>uhh le magic is where there is no science like how cold is where there is no heat
Yeah I'm sure, retard.

Anonymous at Fri, 13 Sep 2024 23:18:28 UTC No. 16379308

>>16379168
Ignorance doesn’t exist?

Anonymous at Fri, 13 Sep 2024 23:44:48 UTC No. 16379339

>>16379308
Trying to make the same argument again? Retard.

Anonymous at Sat, 14 Sep 2024 13:07:22 UTC No. 16379944

>>16379339
A lack of available information isn’t a thing?

Anonymous at Sat, 14 Sep 2024 14:49:06 UTC No. 16380024

>>16378925
Design an experiment to prove or disprove whether you are a brain in a jar.

Anonymous at Sat, 14 Sep 2024 15:24:33 UTC No. 16380077

>>16380024
Are you sure, you are on side of this battle you wish to be on? Because we all could instantly switch properties like that. You just need keys to timetraveling. But somehow there's a way we don't always do that.

I'm starting to question that terminating your existence could make us live in brighter future.

(I remembered the moment I put down VR, but I don't remember much of that life anymore.)

Anonymous at Sun, 15 Sep 2024 02:12:52 UTC No. 16381111

OP is right you know

Anonymous at Sun, 15 Sep 2024 02:14:52 UTC No. 16381115

>>>16381111

Anonymous at Sun, 15 Sep 2024 14:00:38 UTC No. 16381853

It’s so simple it bothers me how so many refuse to get it.

Anonymous at Sun, 15 Sep 2024 14:03:44 UTC No. 16381856

>>16378962
Einstein is a fraud and a retard.

Anonymous at Sun, 15 Sep 2024 14:05:46 UTC No. 16381858

>>16378958
Speculating about alien UFOs is no different than speculating about God. It's the same goddamn thing and not science.

Anonymous at Sun, 15 Sep 2024 14:19:36 UTC No. 16381879

>>16378925
Metaphysics and philosophy in general is just failed physics.

Anonymous at Sun, 15 Sep 2024 16:53:00 UTC No. 16382079

>>16381858
So it’s not science to the alien? It’s not alien science? God, if He existed, wouldn’t have godly logic to Him?

Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 12:09:36 UTC No. 16383033

People really struggle with interchangeable thinking - That is, thinking on the other end

Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 13:39:34 UTC No. 16383118

>>16378958
>Alien
>UFO
>Unidentified
>Identified as alien

Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 14:24:07 UTC No. 16383188

>>16383118
Literally everything out there is alien retard
It’s alien to our understanding

Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 21:27:56 UTC No. 16383821

>does everything have a process or a system to it
Yes
Ergo everything is science