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Anonymous No. 16380160

Why do the large majority of people believe Mathematics to be strictly computations?

If a young person insinuates this then I just believe they're trolling (because they usually are) but old people are such fucking disgusting creatures that if you claim to be a Physicist or Engineer and make a silly arithmetic error they label you as unworthy in their eyes-even though this person probably couldn't find out the area of a triangle if their life depended on it.

Are these people just bitter because they couldn't get into STEM at a younger age? so they use whatever excuse they have to cast doubt on the entirety of abstract thought?

Anonymous No. 16380166

>>16380160
Only computer engineer (gay babies) believe this I suggest you seek out better friends

Anonymous No. 16380199

>>16380160
>Are these people just bitter
they literally just don't know what mathematics is lol

Anonymous No. 16380215

>>16380160
Are you retarded? Obviously that's how they learned math in school. In school you never see proofs and homework is just a dozen "solve this linear equation" problems.

Anonymous No. 16380539

>>16380160
Dunning-Kruger is apparent.

You'll have the least informed people with the strongest opinions on just about everything.

Anonymous No. 16382664

>>16380160
How would mathematics not be strictly computation? Isnt that like the very definition of mathematics? Its very core? Even algebra is still computation of unknowns

Anonymous No. 16382686

>>16382664
I dunno. Topology is kinda wacky.

Anonymous No. 16382689

>>16382664
>How would mathematics not be strictly computation?
Because its full of incalculable irrational, imaginary, infinite, and indeterminate values.

Anonymous No. 16382743

>>16382689
Irrational numbers are computable.

Anonymous No. 16382747

>>16382743
Then compute the last digit of pi.

Anonymous No. 16382782

>>16382747
There is no last digit, but you can compute any arbitrary digit.

Anonymous No. 16382784

>>16382782
>but you can compute any arbitrary digit.
>any arbitrary
Them compute the number pi digit of it.

Anonymous No. 16382786

>>16382782
>There is no last digit,
Then you aren't actually computing it, you are giving up at whatever arbitrary point your memory space limits you.

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Anonymous No. 16382790

>>16380160
>Why do the large majority of people believe Mathematics to be strictly computations?
I don't even know what you mean by that but I imagine it's just a bunch of pretentious horseshit, right? Math is math, we all know what math is, no need to try to make it into something it's not

>probably couldn't find out the area of a triangle if their life depended on it.
See picrel

Anonymous No. 16382791

>>16382786
You can compute arbitrarily close to the value.

Anonymous No. 16382796

>>16382791
No, even if you stopped at the first 3, your arbitrary last calculable digit is always infinitely far from any actual last digit, there is only a relatively small finite amount of calculable digits compared to the infinite incalculable number of digits that exist in the sequence, so you are always infinite digits away from computing the actual value.

Anonymous No. 16382807

>>16382796
>actual last digit
This doesn’t exist.in a sense, you’re right in that you can always compute an infinite number of more digits, but those dogits are still computable.

Anonymous No. 16382812

>>16382807
>doesn’t exist
Which is why there are infinite incalculable digits in the sequence.

> but those dogits are still computable.
But pi itself, like all irrational numbers is not.

Anonymous No. 16382814

>>16382807
>you can always compute an infinite number of more digits
No, you can only compute a finite number of digits, yet there is still an infinite number that can not be which is why it is not actually calculable, the amount of incalculable digits will always vastly overwhelm the amount of calculable ones.

Anonymous No. 16382859

>>16382812
>>16382814
All “digits” are computable, only constrained by time and space.

Anonymous No. 16382862

>>16382859
*Except of course for the last digit, L, and the last infinite, L-∞ , digits as has been explained.

Anonymous No. 16382863

>>16380160
Any math that isn’t computable is irrelevant and fake. The law of the excluded middle and the axiom of choice are the worst things to happen to math.

Anonymous No. 16382873

>>16382862
Is there an equal chance of the next digit of pi to be any number 1-9? If so, couldn't you just say that the last digit is a random number between 1-9? This is all stupid anyway, but still

Anonymous No. 16382875

>>16382873
>If so, couldn't you just say that the last digit is a random number between 1-9?
Sure, if you are just saying random numbers instead of making calculations, but if you admit that irrational numbers can't be calculated, then you don't have to cope with the fact that you will have to churn out infinite arbitrary strings of numbers instead of ever actually calculating the value of an irrational number.

Anonymous No. 16382876

>>16382875
boner

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Anonymous No. 16382877

>>16382876

Anonymous No. 16382879

>>16382876
Yes that is just as likely to be the last digits of pi as anything else since you can never actually calculate the value of pi.

Anonymous No. 16382880

I flicked my boner.

Anonymous No. 16382882

>>16382880
How did it fall off and why did you flick it instead of reattaching it?

Anonymous No. 16382884

>>16382882
There are new lives because I didn't. I ackhyqlly learned about the sky after.

Anonymous No. 16382887

>>16382875
But it is calculated, isn't it? It's a random number between 1-9? That's calculated lol

Anonymous No. 16382892

>>16382887
No, that is random arbitrary choice, not a calculation.

Anonymous No. 16382895

>>16382892
Left leg, now

Anonymous No. 16382897

>>16382895
No, I command you to stop being an illiterate retard instead.

Anonymous No. 16382900

>>16382892
A computer wouldn't have any problem calculating it, just tell it to give you a random number between 1 and 9. Poof, calculated

Anonymous No. 16382905

>>16382900
You still underestimate me.

All mental alls

Even some physicals with weight of poo.

Anonymous No. 16382906

>>16382900
My trance moment is 'now-of-a-certain-grade'

Anonymous No. 16382909

>>16382900
Computers can't generate random numbers, only pseudo-random and the calculation they use to make the pseudo-random output is inconsistent with the calculation for digits of pi.

Anonymous No. 16382919

>>16382909
Blahblahblah so make up some letter that stands for "a random number between 1-9" and insert that into your faggy equation and be done with it then

Anonymous No. 16382947

>>16382919
That is a variable not a calculation.
They already did a much more accurate version of that when they used the sixteenth letter of the greek alphabet as a placeholder for the arbitrary partial calculations of 3.1.. to represent the ratio of a circle's circumference and diameter.

Anonymous No. 16382980

>>16382947
>much more accurate version of that
If there is an equal chance of the final digit of pi being any number between 1-9, then how is there anything more accurate than just saying that it's a random number between 1-9? I mean, over the course of fucking infinity this must be the case, right? That is, unless it's NOT equally likely to be 1-9

I don't fucking know, I'm not a god damn mathematician, I'm just going off common sense and one or two sentences off of wikipedia here. To me this all seems pretty much pointless

Anonymous No. 16382994

>>16382980
>If there is an equal chance of the final digit of pi being any number between 1-9
There isn't an equal chance, just like there wasn't an equal chance that the first digit was random or anything other than 3, you are just doing some retarded coping to compensate for the fact you are wrong and irrational numbers can't actually be calculated, only estimated.