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Anonymous at Sat, 14 Sep 2024 16:18:16 UTC No. 16380160
Why do the large majority of people believe Mathematics to be strictly computations?
If a young person insinuates this then I just believe they're trolling (because they usually are) but old people are such fucking disgusting creatures that if you claim to be a Physicist or Engineer and make a silly arithmetic error they label you as unworthy in their eyes-even though this person probably couldn't find out the area of a triangle if their life depended on it.
Are these people just bitter because they couldn't get into STEM at a younger age? so they use whatever excuse they have to cast doubt on the entirety of abstract thought?
Anonymous at Sat, 14 Sep 2024 16:20:17 UTC No. 16380166
>>16380160
Only computer engineer (gay babies) believe this I suggest you seek out better friends
Anonymous at Sat, 14 Sep 2024 16:30:11 UTC No. 16380199
>>16380160
>Are these people just bitter
they literally just don't know what mathematics is lol
Anonymous at Sat, 14 Sep 2024 16:38:24 UTC No. 16380215
>>16380160
Are you retarded? Obviously that's how they learned math in school. In school you never see proofs and homework is just a dozen "solve this linear equation" problems.
Anonymous at Sat, 14 Sep 2024 19:44:53 UTC No. 16380539
>>16380160
Dunning-Kruger is apparent.
You'll have the least informed people with the strongest opinions on just about everything.
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 04:24:30 UTC No. 16382664
>>16380160
How would mathematics not be strictly computation? Isnt that like the very definition of mathematics? Its very core? Even algebra is still computation of unknowns
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 04:47:16 UTC No. 16382686
>>16382664
I dunno. Topology is kinda wacky.
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 04:52:11 UTC No. 16382689
>>16382664
>How would mathematics not be strictly computation?
Because its full of incalculable irrational, imaginary, infinite, and indeterminate values.
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 06:45:04 UTC No. 16382743
>>16382689
Irrational numbers are computable.
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 06:52:45 UTC No. 16382747
>>16382743
Then compute the last digit of pi.
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 07:49:12 UTC No. 16382782
>>16382747
There is no last digit, but you can compute any arbitrary digit.
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 07:55:34 UTC No. 16382784
>>16382782
>but you can compute any arbitrary digit.
>any arbitrary
Them compute the number pi digit of it.
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 07:57:45 UTC No. 16382786
>>16382782
>There is no last digit,
Then you aren't actually computing it, you are giving up at whatever arbitrary point your memory space limits you.
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 08:10:16 UTC No. 16382790
>>16380160
>Why do the large majority of people believe Mathematics to be strictly computations?
I don't even know what you mean by that but I imagine it's just a bunch of pretentious horseshit, right? Math is math, we all know what math is, no need to try to make it into something it's not
>probably couldn't find out the area of a triangle if their life depended on it.
See picrel
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 08:14:31 UTC No. 16382791
>>16382786
You can compute arbitrarily close to the value.
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 08:20:24 UTC No. 16382796
>>16382791
No, even if you stopped at the first 3, your arbitrary last calculable digit is always infinitely far from any actual last digit, there is only a relatively small finite amount of calculable digits compared to the infinite incalculable number of digits that exist in the sequence, so you are always infinite digits away from computing the actual value.
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 08:42:06 UTC No. 16382807
>>16382796
>actual last digit
This doesnât exist.in a sense, youâre right in that you can always compute an infinite number of more digits, but those dogits are still computable.
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 08:49:56 UTC No. 16382812
>>16382807
>doesnât exist
Which is why there are infinite incalculable digits in the sequence.
> but those dogits are still computable.
But pi itself, like all irrational numbers is not.
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 08:51:21 UTC No. 16382814
>>16382807
>you can always compute an infinite number of more digits
No, you can only compute a finite number of digits, yet there is still an infinite number that can not be which is why it is not actually calculable, the amount of incalculable digits will always vastly overwhelm the amount of calculable ones.
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 10:01:40 UTC No. 16382859
>>16382812
>>16382814
All âdigitsâ are computable, only constrained by time and space.
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 10:06:15 UTC No. 16382862
>>16382859
*Except of course for the last digit, L, and the last infinite, L-â , digits as has been explained.
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 10:06:34 UTC No. 16382863
>>16380160
Any math that isnât computable is irrelevant and fake. The law of the excluded middle and the axiom of choice are the worst things to happen to math.
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 10:20:28 UTC No. 16382873
>>16382862
Is there an equal chance of the next digit of pi to be any number 1-9? If so, couldn't you just say that the last digit is a random number between 1-9? This is all stupid anyway, but still
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 10:25:33 UTC No. 16382875
>>16382873
>If so, couldn't you just say that the last digit is a random number between 1-9?
Sure, if you are just saying random numbers instead of making calculations, but if you admit that irrational numbers can't be calculated, then you don't have to cope with the fact that you will have to churn out infinite arbitrary strings of numbers instead of ever actually calculating the value of an irrational number.
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 10:26:05 UTC No. 16382876
>>16382875
boner
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 10:27:59 UTC No. 16382877
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 10:28:18 UTC No. 16382879
>>16382876
Yes that is just as likely to be the last digits of pi as anything else since you can never actually calculate the value of pi.
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 10:29:00 UTC No. 16382880
I flicked my boner.
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 10:30:06 UTC No. 16382882
>>16382880
How did it fall off and why did you flick it instead of reattaching it?
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 10:32:22 UTC No. 16382884
>>16382882
There are new lives because I didn't. I ackhyqlly learned about the sky after.
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 10:35:01 UTC No. 16382887
>>16382875
But it is calculated, isn't it? It's a random number between 1-9? That's calculated lol
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 10:37:32 UTC No. 16382892
>>16382887
No, that is random arbitrary choice, not a calculation.
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 10:41:49 UTC No. 16382895
>>16382892
Left leg, now
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 10:46:47 UTC No. 16382897
>>16382895
No, I command you to stop being an illiterate retard instead.
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 10:50:24 UTC No. 16382900
>>16382892
A computer wouldn't have any problem calculating it, just tell it to give you a random number between 1 and 9. Poof, calculated
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 10:57:41 UTC No. 16382905
>>16382900
You still underestimate me.
All mental alls
Even some physicals with weight of poo.
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 10:58:42 UTC No. 16382906
>>16382900
My trance moment is 'now-of-a-certain-grade'
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 11:02:00 UTC No. 16382909
>>16382900
Computers can't generate random numbers, only pseudo-random and the calculation they use to make the pseudo-random output is inconsistent with the calculation for digits of pi.
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 11:12:26 UTC No. 16382919
>>16382909
Blahblahblah so make up some letter that stands for "a random number between 1-9" and insert that into your faggy equation and be done with it then
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 11:26:32 UTC No. 16382947
>>16382919
That is a variable not a calculation.
They already did a much more accurate version of that when they used the sixteenth letter of the greek alphabet as a placeholder for the arbitrary partial calculations of 3.1.. to represent the ratio of a circle's circumference and diameter.
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 11:40:15 UTC No. 16382980
>>16382947
>much more accurate version of that
If there is an equal chance of the final digit of pi being any number between 1-9, then how is there anything more accurate than just saying that it's a random number between 1-9? I mean, over the course of fucking infinity this must be the case, right? That is, unless it's NOT equally likely to be 1-9
I don't fucking know, I'm not a god damn mathematician, I'm just going off common sense and one or two sentences off of wikipedia here. To me this all seems pretty much pointless
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Sep 2024 11:45:36 UTC No. 16382994
>>16382980
>If there is an equal chance of the final digit of pi being any number between 1-9
There isn't an equal chance, just like there wasn't an equal chance that the first digit was random or anything other than 3, you are just doing some retarded coping to compensate for the fact you are wrong and irrational numbers can't actually be calculated, only estimated.