Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 16:23:02 UTC No. 16384790

Progress. It's increased exponentially as philosophy died out. Advent of AI is made by atheists who hate philosophy.

Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 20:21:49 UTC No. 16385047

>One and a half actual scientists in that picture.

Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 20:24:30 UTC No. 16385053

>>16384742
They do know philosophy, but it has changed. The philosophy departments are useless. The philosophy of science types haven't done anything new in years.

Philosophy in general is a very... Weak field compared to math and the sciences. Imagine being a field where people are encouraged to read the original writings of authors for some nugget of knowledge. Like how juvenile is that? When is the last time you read Einstein, Euler, or Newton? It is unnecessary.

Maybe its because of general high verbal IQs in the philosophies, but you really don't see very good collection of texts from these types. You can literally just compare /lit/ and /his/ recommendations to /sci/ recommendations. /lit/ and /his/ recommend original books, /sci/ recommends textbooks, collections and synthesises of entire fields from numerous contributors.

Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 20:29:12 UTC No. 16385063

>>16384742
Philosocucks themselves don't know what philosophy is. Descartes was the last philosopher and after him philosophy committed suicide by separating itself from science and math. Modern philosophy is just dogmatic midwittism of no intellectual value whatsoever.

Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 20:29:22 UTC No. 16385064

>>16384742
That image is wrong. Chads must be always placed at the far right, and fags at the far left.

Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 23:20:30 UTC No. 16385305

>>16384742
They are scared. Philosophy inevitablely turns you into a fullblown schizo.
Better to just shut up and calculate and collect the next paycheck.

Anonymous at Tue, 17 Sep 2024 23:24:31 UTC No. 16385313

>>16385063
Accurate assessment to be fair. Principia Mathematica destroyed philosophy once and for all, philosophers have been seething ever since

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 03:54:27 UTC No. 16385639

>>16385313
>Work made by philosophers should somehow destroy philosophy

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 04:08:27 UTC No. 16385646

these days SCIENCE! attracts rigid thinkers who don't want their metaphysical assumptions questioned. they feel comfort that they've arrived at the "final truth" of naturalism and no deeper questions need to be asked.

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 07:12:40 UTC No. 16385778

>>16385063
>Descartes was the last philosopher
He was also convinced you can torture animals because they don't feel anything, their screams are just automatic reactions.
A good explanation of how much we should care about philosophy.

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 07:23:52 UTC No. 16385784

>>16385778
Anti philosophy fags are the worst sociopaths desu

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 07:36:11 UTC No. 16385791

>>16384790
Progress has always increased exponentially, philosophy is embedded in AI, it is a large part of its training data.

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 08:37:42 UTC No. 16385817

>>16384742
Op I'm confused you put 4 nobel prize winners and pitted them against 2 professors and 2 influencers to make your point... are you even trying to hide your cherry picking or are you lamenting the fact that despite the explosion in access of media we somehow are exposed to the loudest voices instead of the more nuanced ones?

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 08:37:42 UTC No. 16385818

>>16385053
Philosophers aren't allowed to say anything interesting or true without being turned into pariahs (see: Nick Land).
Luckily the answers to most big philosophy questions are already lurking out there in statistics and info theory

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 08:47:36 UTC No. 16385826

>>16385778
Funny thing is medical doctors and scientists thought the same thing about babies until the 2000s. I think that shows how much we should care about the Science too

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 09:34:42 UTC No. 16385866

>>16385639
Newton was a mathematician before anything, not a stupid fucking philosopher

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 13:40:08 UTC No. 16386013

>>16385866
He called himself a philosopher and wouldn't care less about your opinion

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 13:46:52 UTC No. 16386016

>>16385646
Metaphysics really aren't that important to science. You just describe the phenomenon, doesn't really matter if you think it's fundamentally material or ideal.

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 16:26:38 UTC No. 16386190

>>16384742
Well, philosophy is shit, so...

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 16:29:49 UTC No. 16386194

>>16386190
dirac's quote is fake. same people who worship science and despise philosophy post fake news

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 16:31:55 UTC No. 16386196

>>16386194
Why do you think it's fake?

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 16:40:24 UTC No. 16386204

>>16386196
No source of this quote was found

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 16:49:30 UTC No. 16386211

>>16386204
You should try harder. I found it with a single Google search.

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 16:50:26 UTC No. 16386213

>>16386013
You are a retard with the cognitive subtlety of a nigger.

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 16:52:09 UTC No. 16386215

>>16386204
NTA but I found this in like 3 seconds
https://www.aip.org/history-programs/niels-bohr-library/oral-histories/4575-2

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 16:54:40 UTC No. 16386218

>>16386215
I reckon we already got black hand out the way

I sick. I can't breev...

I'm allergic to oxygen, I know I am.

Halp

It hell

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 16:56:00 UTC No. 16386220

>>16386218
Right. Junglers. Smell their farts. Know when they fart. Why they think like that when they fart. Their discomfort when they need a wee.

This sort of advantage

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 17:05:29 UTC No. 16386232

>>16386213
Then Newton was a nigger as well

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 17:06:20 UTC No. 16386234

>>16386232
Good work

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 17:07:32 UTC No. 16386235

>>16386234
Stable.

Always... Probably... Ok.

RYAN(captcha)

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 17:08:45 UTC No. 16386237

>>16386235
We've got involved.

By weight of false decree.

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 17:38:14 UTC No. 16386278

idk at Oxford I did the based 4-year MPhys which combined philosophy and physics

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 17:43:03 UTC No. 16386285

>>16384742
>Why don’t modern day scientists know what philosophy is?
assertion without a proof or source.

>Do they not realize that theoretical physicists can’t avoid taking philosophical positions?
assertion without a proof or source.
insinuation physicists wouldnt philosophize.

>Also, why is semantics killing science?
assertion without a proof or source.

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 18:01:13 UTC No. 16386323

>>16386285
I farted

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 19:19:02 UTC No. 16386457

Scientists don’t even realize how much they look like evil wizards.

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 20:38:05 UTC No. 16386637

>>16385646
There's no point in questioning the truth, only the false should be questioned, that's why religion lost.

Anonymous at Wed, 18 Sep 2024 20:51:23 UTC No. 16386670

>>16384742
Why can't scientists learn some graphic design if they're so smart?

Anonymous at Thu, 19 Sep 2024 17:46:27 UTC No. 16388000

>>16386457
Lmao

Anonymous at Thu, 19 Sep 2024 18:17:32 UTC No. 16388042

>>16384742
Because scientists are de facto materialists, and materialist thought precludes properly thinking about ideas rather than processes. Universities have been turned into trade schools filled with tinkerers obsessed with progress rather than thinkers obsessed with knowledge.

Anonymous at Thu, 19 Sep 2024 18:25:37 UTC No. 16388047

cool story, /pol/.

Anonymous at Thu, 19 Sep 2024 19:01:14 UTC No. 16388084

>>16388042
Why was Einstein able to do it?

Anonymous at Thu, 19 Sep 2024 19:07:41 UTC No. 16388096

>>16388084
Einstein still believed in God. He wasn't a full blown materialist.

Anonymous at Thu, 19 Sep 2024 19:20:47 UTC No. 16388109

>>16388096
>materialism means you don’t believe in god
But that’s retarded
If they believe God exists, then that means they believe something is THERE
That’s material- er, rather, THERE-ism
If it’s THERE, there will be substance to it, allowing it to exist at all
Anti-materialists argue against God’s existence without even realizing it

Anonymous at Thu, 19 Sep 2024 19:24:01 UTC No. 16388112

>>16388109
Low iq Christians don’t use logic. High iq Christians try to use science/physics to prove the existence of God, lmao. They believe things like evolution are tools He uses.

Anonymous at Thu, 19 Sep 2024 19:32:59 UTC No. 16388120

>>16388109
>>16388112
Einstein also thought the moon didn’t fucking vanish when you turned away from it like an idiot

“Don’t tell God what to do” oh shut up

Anonymous at Thu, 19 Sep 2024 19:38:14 UTC No. 16388125

>>16388109
Sometimes I forget how stupid this board is.
Believing in God is not the only way to avoid being a dogmatic materialist. It is simply one of many ways.
Also you've misunderstood what materialism is. You're approaching its definition from a materialistic frame of mind. Materialism posits that there exists nothing more than that which is contained in the natural world and that all phenomena are explainable through the processes of said natural world. There is nothing in the natural world that tells us that, so you're asserting it a priori. A priori assertions are lacking in foundation. It's a fallacious argument to even make, as you're basically substituting the definition of "materialism" for another definition and then making a non-point.

Anonymous at Thu, 19 Sep 2024 21:28:29 UTC No. 16388259

>>16385818
what did they do to Nick Land? How is he a pariahs if he is super popular

Anonymous at Thu, 19 Sep 2024 21:34:11 UTC No. 16388267

>>16386016
How metaphysics is not important for science since math is literally part of metaphysics?

Anonymous at Fri, 20 Sep 2024 22:55:11 UTC No. 16390423

>>16388125
>calls someone retarded
>proceeds to post something retarded

Anonymous at Fri, 20 Sep 2024 23:15:56 UTC No. 16390494

Isn’t philosophy mostly just coping with the universe being deterministic?

Anonymous at Fri, 20 Sep 2024 23:41:33 UTC No. 16390547

>>16384742
>cherry picking
lol
>>16390494
We didn't truly knew that up until the last centory though

Anonymous at Fri, 20 Sep 2024 23:44:43 UTC No. 16390555

>>16390494
Determined by whom?

Anonymous at Sat, 21 Sep 2024 15:14:48 UTC No. 16391454

>>16390494
No it’s literally just pondering shit.

The same way science is literally just repeating shit

Scientists have become over pretentious dorks who can’t into words.

Anonymous at Sat, 21 Sep 2024 15:51:32 UTC No. 16391485

>>16384742
None of the people on right side are scientists. They're science *explainers* aka modern day priest charlatans

Anonymous at Sat, 21 Sep 2024 18:54:17 UTC No. 16391722

>>16388125
>Materialism posits that there exists nothing more than that which is contained in the natural world and that all phenomena are explainable through the processes of said natural world.

You can’t avoid taking this stance if you’re not a motherfucking idiot. To the physicist, meta-physics is still physics. It’s all relative. Nature. “That ain’t natural” is an opinion.

Doesn’t matter if we can’t explain it, even if we will never able to explain it. It’s still nature. Some hypothetical alien might.

Anonymous at Sun, 22 Sep 2024 04:21:44 UTC No. 16392402

All I know is philosophy is hella gay

Anonymous at Mon, 23 Sep 2024 01:28:53 UTC No. 16393938

None on the right are actual scientists. And not all those quotes are at odds with each other.

Anonymous at Mon, 23 Sep 2024 02:03:55 UTC No. 16394000

>>16385826
Source: trust me bro

Anonymous at Mon, 23 Sep 2024 02:14:16 UTC No. 16394012

>>16394000
Nice trips lil bro but...
https://www.nytimes.com/1987/11/24/science/infants-sense-of-pain-is-recognized-finally.html

Anonymous at Mon, 23 Sep 2024 03:43:57 UTC No. 16394089

>>16384742
>Why is semantics killing science?
Philosophy.

Anonymous at Mon, 23 Sep 2024 10:02:15 UTC No. 16394397

>>16384742
What's your iFunny?

Anonymous at Mon, 23 Sep 2024 10:05:56 UTC No. 16394403

>>16385053
>last time you read Einstein, Euler, or Newton?
>unnecessary
Almost all relevant contemporary scientists disagree and have read historically important scientific works and papers.

They would regard reading Copernicus or Ptolemy as rather useless, but not Kepler or Newton. Do you see the difference? I do, because I read.

Anonymous at Mon, 23 Sep 2024 10:09:23 UTC No. 16394411

>>16384742
Philosophy? We can't even criticize Israel without being arrested as scientists.

This is why the Chinese are so ahead. If American scientists aren't developing on the (((chosen))) subjects, they ruin our careers.

Anonymous at Mon, 23 Sep 2024 15:14:02 UTC No. 16394713

>>16394411
>This is why the Chinese are so ahead
They’re waiting until we fuck up and fall and can’t get back up again

Anonymous at Mon, 23 Sep 2024 15:50:38 UTC No. 16394757

There's a mechanical issue with philosophy in that a large part of it is figured out through intuitions, whatever feels or seems most true will be where work goes into. Good science doesn't really have this issue

There's also a problem in that philosophy in the lower/middle tiers is more of a fashionable pursuit to gain an identity, "have you even read x" is the common epithet, rather than delving into the substantive concepts

Finally I think modern Philosophy disproportionately attracts a certain kind of person. The kind of person who rather than trying to uncover aspects of reality, wants to find ways to accommodate their own particular calling in life, or personality disorder, however you want to spin it. Many of the more recent discoveries in physics and AI and such are a perfect new area of study for Philosophy, but a raw study of reality isn't really what motivates them as it does for scientists. It's closer to a religion in that sense, closer than hard science is anyway. I don't think these kinds of people were present to such a degree in Philosophically historically, you had more Isaac Newtons etc back then. The balance of priorities is out of whack basically, if the aim is uncovering hard reality truths as it is for 'real' science

Anonymous at Tue, 24 Sep 2024 13:25:29 UTC No. 16396219

>>16384742
Modern day scientists are such ass hats holy shit

Anonymous at Wed, 25 Sep 2024 13:47:30 UTC No. 16397467

>>16396219
No they are just too far up their own ass. Though I guess that’s an ass hat for you.

Anonymous at Thu, 26 Sep 2024 12:40:20 UTC No. 16398729

>>16388112
Based racist man

Anonymous at Thu, 26 Sep 2024 13:13:10 UTC No. 16398755

>>16391722
>To the physicist, meta-physics is still physics.
Lol, no. Try talking to a physicist for once in your life

Anonymous at Thu, 26 Sep 2024 13:14:11 UTC No. 16398756

>>16394403
Physicists do not read newtons works. It's incomprehensible to them. First of all it's in Latin. Secondly it's purely geometric which isn't how newtons laws is analyzed today.

Anonymous at Thu, 26 Sep 2024 14:26:52 UTC No. 16398815

luke smith is all i need to know about philosophy. that it sucks.

Anonymous at Fri, 27 Sep 2024 02:54:59 UTC No. 16399491

>>16398755
If anything exists, or happens, there will be an explanation to it. Cope.

:^)

Anonymous at Fri, 27 Sep 2024 05:23:04 UTC No. 16399607

>>16385818
Genuinely this.
The west is still reeling from Heidegger writing Hitler's eulogy. They can't intellectually process Nazism or WW2 in general. They have shut down, and can only explore the safest opinions lest something remind them of their trauma.

The highest ranks of academia are people have been reduced to children hiding under their blankets from scary ideas.

I mean Jesus they made a martyr out of that bafoon Jordan Peterson for being slightly past milktoast.

Anonymous at Fri, 27 Sep 2024 06:02:34 UTC No. 16399615

>>16384742
Philosophy teaches how to think. Most scientists today dont know how to think. They just know how to report data card and extrapolate summary from it. Something an AI can do.