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🧵 /sfg/ - Spaceflight General

Anonymous No. 16393207

previous >>16390746

Anonymous No. 16393218

Fuck off back to your containment board
>>>/n/

Anonymous No. 16393219

Elon :
SpaceX plans to launch about five uncrewed Starships to Mars in two years.

If those all land safely, then crewed missions are possible in four years. If we encounter challenges, then the crewed missions will be postponed another two years.

It is only possible to travel from Earth to Mars every two years, when the planets are aligned. This increases the difficulty of the task, but also serves to immunize Mars from many catastrophic events on Earth.

No matter what happens with landing success, SpaceX will increase the number of spaceships traveling to Mars exponentially with every transit opportunity. We want to enable anyone who wants to be a space traveler to go to Mars! That means you or your family or friends – anyone who dreams of great adventure.

Eventually, there will be thousands of Starships going to Mars and it will a glorious sight to see! Can you imagine? Wow.

The fundamental existential question is whether humanity becomes sustainably multiplanetary before something happens on Earth to prevent that, for example nuclear war, a supervirus or population collapse that weakens civilization to the point where it loses the ability to send supply ships to Mars.

One of my biggest concerns right now is that the Starship program is being smothered by a mountain of government bureaucracy that grows every year. This stifling red tape is affecting all large projects in America, which is why, for example, California has spent ~$7 billion dollars and several years on high-speed rail, but only has a 1600 ft section of concrete to show for it!

While I have many concerns about a potential Kamala regime, my absolute showstopper is that the bureaucracy currently choking America to death is guaranteed to grow under a Democratic Party administration. This would destroy the Mars program and doom humanity.

It cannot happen. Your help would be much appreciated. This is a fork, maybe the fork, in the road of human destiny.

Anonymous No. 16393222

>>16393219
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1837908705683059166

Anonymous No. 16393225

Space Sex

Anonymous No. 16393226

>>16393219
2026, 2028, 2030
So mars landing will be 2034-36 lmao

Anonymous No. 16393227

>>16393218
Cry more, nigga

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Anonymous No. 16393241

>>16393229
I want to drive the orange pallet.

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Anonymous No. 16393246

THREE MILLIMETERS

🗑️ Anonymous No. 16393250

>>16393241
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1837912917712269719
Elon has given the kill order. It's time for Total Bird Death.

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Anonymous No. 16393251

>>16393219
>Wow.
This.

Anonymous No. 16393252

>>16393219
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1837912917712269719
Elon has given the kill order. It's time for Total Bird Death.

Anonymous No. 16393254

>>16393246
YAWN. WAKE ME UP WHEN THEY MAKE THEM FROM 0.4MM BARRELS LIKE TRUE MEN.

Anonymous No. 16393258

>>16393241
That there's an expensive machine, Anon.
https://youtu.be/watch?v=vVkJbvv3pHg

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Anonymous No. 16393270

SpaceX should be receiving the majority of NASA's launch budget.
It is a waste of money to spend BILLIONS on one launch vehicles.

Anonymous No. 16393294

I just had one of those thoughts. Have we reached the point where, barring the realization of human immortality, our species is functionally at a dead end due to the nature of many hypothetical projects taking generations to accomplish where they'll be dropped for either political convenience or a lack of interest by a successor within an organization, or because some fundamental skill was lost and it's deemed that the cost of carrying forward isn't worth the effort to have the project be a success? NASA now reminds me more of SETI than it stands as some great beacon of hope for the future that it once did. The ability to care about anything is difficult when it takes 20 years to do some very basic experiment that gives a modicum of usable data. Nobody cares about that because of time scale.

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Anonymous No. 16393302

>>16393246
If I did this correct, they can save about 800 kg per ring barrel.

Anonymous No. 16393306

>>16393246
>>16393302
spacex should simply mill a 1mm deep orthogrid out of the 4mm steel barrels to get the worst of both worlds

Anonymous No. 16393307

>>16393226
your dates are wrong, it should be 2026, 2029, 2031, 2033

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Anonymous No. 16393313

>>16393302
Oh, wait. It's exactly 25% difference in mass, because the proportions are 3 to 4. I'm so smart.

Barken No. 16393319

I don't see you naked

Anonymous No. 16393320

>>16393219
>two more years

Anonymous No. 16393326

spacex should make deals with other countries so those countries can put pressure on the US govt

Anonymous No. 16393327

>>16393326
>ITAR
Good luck with that

Anonymous No. 16393328

>>16393219
Even if people could go in 2028 they wouldn't go unless they could return back

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Anonymous No. 16393331

Just wasted another six hours reading about planets/moons on Wikipedia again.

Anonymous No. 16393332

>>16393327
no i mean like they purchase starship launches

Anonymous No. 16393333

>>16393331
>wikipedia
read a book, nigga

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Anonymous No. 16393337

>>16393331
damn that's crazy

Anonymous No. 16393338

>>16393333
What are some good books about the solar system?

Anonymous No. 16393339

!!!

Anonymous No. 16393340

>>16393333
Checked. What are some good books about the solar system?
>>16393337
Ribbit.

Anonymous No. 16393344

>>16392788
>>16392849
wow, crazy how they have managed to copy spacex already.
that landing looks like a fucking toy though. the comments on twitter make it seem like a shitty chinese toy...

Anonymous No. 16393347

>>16393219
>5x 15 refueling tankers in rapid succession
>2026
well, I guess ambission is admirable

Anonymous No. 16393348

>>16393338
>>16393340
>An Introduction to the Solar System
>Fundamental Planetary Science: Physics, Chemistry and Habitability
>Exploring the Solar System: The History and Science of Planetary Exploration

Anonymous No. 16393380

>>16393313
Well not exactly but very close. You could imagine it being made of four 1 mm rings, and this would be getting rid of the innermost ring which would be the smallest one.

Anonymous No. 16393381

>>16393348
youre a fucking prick. are you joking?

Anonymous No. 16393394

>>16393380
According to my numbers, it's 75.0042%

Anonymous No. 16393404

>>16393270
>SpaceX should be receiving the majority of NASA's launch budget.

They do. NASA launched with SpaceX and Northrop Grumman. And NG is buying F9 lifts for its ISS resupply.

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>>16393337
insane even

Anonymous No. 16393409

>>16393381
Why are you asking?

Anonymous No. 16393425

>>16393407
!!!!

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Anonymous No. 16393446

new Mars info

https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1837908705683059166

Anonymous No. 16393448

>>16393446
>3
bullshit as always. hes never sent a single object to mars but made these exact promises about flying there every launch window with falcon heavy.

Anonymous No. 16393452

>>16393446
Wow

Anonymous No. 16393453

>>16393446
I believe him when he says each launch campaign will be exponential. I don’t think 5 SS to mars is enough, they’re all going to fail. And even if they are successful I still don’t see humans being fast-tracked to go there unless there are hundreds of Starlink SS launches to iron out problems on Starship.
8 years bit maybe, 6 years ehhhh but only if 45 wins and Elon can suddenly launch once a month and really get the ball rolling, FUCK NO to humans on mars in 2-4 years

Anonymous No. 16393457

>>16393446
Oh please

Anonymous No. 16393459

>>16393446
Unironically, 2 years

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Anonymous No. 16393463

>>16393446
>gr8 newz erryone
>oceangate look fun as fuck? $10 million burning a hole in your pocket?
>try my new mars rockets! guaranteed to get your eGFR under 20 from radiation to the kidneys, and you might survive a few months after landing until a micrometeorite punctures the gay-ass bubble habitat my DEI hires designed.

Anonymous No. 16393465

>>16393453
Five SS to Mars is 75 tanker flights. Neither the tanker nor the depot exist yet.

Anonymous No. 16393468

>>16393465
Starship V3 would be like a third of that

Anonymous No. 16393469

>>16393463
it's mediocre bait but I'll take it anyway because I'm bored
>oceangate look fun as fuck?
yes unironically
>guaranteed to get your eGFR under 20
radiation is a spook. space radiation is a nothingburger
>my DEI hires designed
what team are you pretending to bat for here?

Anonymous No. 16393471

>>16393469
Elon won't let you suck his cock shill bro

Anonymous No. 16393472

>>16393218
EDS

Anonymous No. 16393475

>>16393471
you don't know that

Anonymous No. 16393476

>>16393469
>radiation is a spook. space radiation is a nothingburger

uh...

>Cosmic kidney disease: an integrated pan-omic, physiological and morphological study into spaceflight-induced renal dysfunction
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-024-49212-1

Anonymous No. 16393477

>>16393219
>immunize Mars from many catastrophic events on Earth.
Space AIDS

Anonymous No. 16393492

An anon in the prior thread was asking what’s important to study to make a career in space stuff. Here’s my answer. Anyone have any other insights?
Obviously the technical stuff is important-- that should be your primary focus.

Something a lot of academia will overlook is learning how some projects succeed and others fail. There are a lot of examples of brilliant scientists/engineers doing cool stuff but the 'missing piece' never materializes to operationalize their innovations, so all their hard work is wasted (or rediscovered a long time later). A few business courses would be wise, maybe even a business minor (take at least these courses: accounting, finance, management, marketing, maybe game theory [although at my university it was a 400 level econ class with tons of prerequisites, you can often email the prof and audit it for free with no credit/grade rewarded, or just read their textbooks such as Games of Strategy by Dixit & Skeath]). With these skills, you can make informed decisions on teams/projects to join that have a higher probability of success. Also, in most companies there's a career track for individual contributors (ICs) and a career track for managers. You might be a better manager of other ICs than an IC yourself, and the business stuff matters a LOT for managers. Good ICs are nice to have, but a great manager can have a disproportionally large impact on the likelihood of success. (and consequently bad managers [like Bob Smith at Blue Origin] can squander mountains of talent-- BO and SpaceX have roughly the same number of employees--and many BO employees are even SpaceX alums!)

I'd also read some books/blogs on startups/space industry: The Lean Startup by Ries, Zero to One by Thiel, Casey Handmer's blog, Liftoff by Berger, Stratechery etc.

Anonymous No. 16393508

>>16393446
I wish musk didn't claim "full self driving next year" every year for the past decade
I can't trust his timelines

Anonymous No. 16393511

>>16393508
Starship has lost over a year and a half in aggregate to federal regulatory fuckery.

Anonymous No. 16393513

>Cards Against Humanity Suing Elon Musk, also known as the Cards Against Humanity Elon Musk Lawsuit, refers to legal action taken by the card game company Cards Against Humanity against Elon Musk in September 2024. Cards Against Humanity claimed that Musk had destroyed land owned by the company along the US-Mexico border that it bought in 2017 to thwart then-acting President Donald Trump’s border wall. Cards Against Humanity was suing Musk for $15 million. The company announced the lawsuit on Twitter / X and launched a website called elonowesyou100dollars.com that outlined the feud and upcoming legal action. Many users on X reacted to the news with memes and posts that championed Cards Against Humanity. Others criticized the company.

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Anonymous No. 16393529

>>16393331
spehsed and spehspilled
>>16393337
>>16393407

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>>16393513

Anonymous No. 16393534

Anti-spacefags should leave. If space doesn't absolutely excite you then you are non-white.

Anonymous No. 16393535

>>16393534
>6
oh, here is catholiccrusader1488 from southa merica teaching us about who is white..

Anonymous No. 16393546

>Flight directors during Apollo had a one-sentence job description, "The flight director may take any actions necessary for crew safety and mission success."

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Anonymous No. 16393550

>>16393446
>>16393219
>>16393222
there was a follow up

https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1837913942859067438

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Anonymous No. 16393553

>>16393550
https://x.com/peterrhague/status/1837873526440640686

and here is the X post that Musk replied to initially

Anonymous No. 16393557

>>16393550
So thank for buying starlink and supporting an historic mission

Anonymous No. 16393567

>>16393226
first uncrewed in 2026, then if that goes fine, crew in 2029
if uncrewed does not go as planned, uncrewed again in 2029 and crew in 2031

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Anonymous No. 16393570

>>16393252
you forgot the regulators

Anonymous No. 16393572

>two more years

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Anonymous No. 16393574

https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1837914831459942721

>>16393572
he talked about this timeline a week or two ago already, now its just more specific information about 5 ships

Anonymous No. 16393575

>>16393570
>>16393252
>>16393219
its the endgame. FAA will stage an assasination of Musk next time he approaches starbase. They will blame it on a car crash.

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Anonymous No. 16393576

>>16393313

Anonymous No. 16393578

>>16393575
Simply remove FAA

Anonymous No. 16393581

>>16393578
they wont be removed, trump wont do shit.

Anonymous No. 16393582

>>16393508
what if the self-driving actually comes out this year? robotaxi unveil in two weeks btw

Anonymous No. 16393583

>>16393331
What are their pronouns?

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Anonymous No. 16393584

https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1837899994973540495

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>>16393446
Bless our King, we are going

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https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1837895170043359707

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>>16393587

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>>16393588

Anonymous No. 16393594

>>16393581
You're right, he personally won't. That's why he's leaving it up to Elon and others, that are knowledgeable on the matter, to decide what needs to stay or be removed.

Anonymous No. 16393595

>>16393508
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRtBZR01Qks

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Anonymous No. 16393598

https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1837872675730932201

Anonymous No. 16393599

>>16393594
he will betray musk before the presidency is over. watch.

Anonymous No. 16393601

I'm out of the loop, are we still waiting for a fishing license for next launch?

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Anonymous No. 16393602

https://x.com/ajtourville/status/1837870206590300641

Anonymous No. 16393604

>>16393599
He won't be president lol

🗑️ Anonymous No. 16393605

>>16393602
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1837872626196222297

Musk talking about the bellyflop manuever

>>16393601
yes

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>>16393602 (You)
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1837872626196222297
Musk talking about the bellyflop manuever

>>16393601
yes

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Anonymous No. 16393619

https://x.com/rookisaacman/status/1837966319242637372

Isaacman commenting on Musks Mars timeline and the skepticism towards it

Anonymous No. 16393629

>>16393606
So… it’s a spaceplane?

Anonymous No. 16393636

>>16393629
nuh uh sweatie... shuttle maintained a 60 degree angle, anything above 69 degrees is NOT a spaceplane because I SAID SO OKAY

Anonymous No. 16393642

>>16393602
>~70m2 to ~545m2
Wow. That's almost half a km^2.

Anonymous No. 16393643

>>16393508
Its already out. Just like Reusable rocket is already out and commercial space is already out. Just because they have 1% chance of failure doesn't mean its not working.

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Anonymous No. 16393645

>>16393642
>Wow. That's almost half a km^2.

Anonymous No. 16393651

>>16393619
NASA has been promising a trip to mars for the last 50 years, POCKOCMOC for the last 35, yet people only complain when ol' musky is late by 4 years (for now). In fact, this insane idea has been exaggerated so much that for the public eye spacex/musk is synonymous to being late, when in reality they are the fastest in the entire industry by far!

Anonymous No. 16393662

>>16393645
yeah he's retarded, it's clearly slightly more than half of a km^2

Anonymous No. 16393663

>>16393508
Not that it matters, of course. You're only paying for it indirectly through taxes and your tax money already gets squandered in much worse things.

Anonymous No. 16393665

How big would be a solid fuel booster have to be to lob starship into orbit without it spending its own fuel?

Anonymous No. 16393671

>>16393645
stupid frogposter

Anonymous No. 16393673

>>16393534
Space is for children. It's like dinosaurs, a fairy tale.

Anonymous No. 16393674

>>16393651
yeah its kind of ridiculous to what standard Musk is held to, it shouldn't really matter what his goals are

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Anonymous No. 16393676

https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1837982489186279484

Anonymous No. 16393680

>>16393674
I wonder what people would say if musk never once mentioned mars. like if he just said
>yeah I'm setting out to launch 90+% of shit
>I just want to have the most reliable rockets
>launch government and private payloads all day everyday, that's the game

Anonymous No. 16393682

>>16393680
they laughed at him 10 years ago and were saying he is late

Anonymous No. 16393683

>>16393535
even tho catholiccrusader1488 would be a "space is fake and ghey" type

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Anonymous No. 16393685

https://x.com/cnunezimages/status/1837936499725083062

Anonymous No. 16393686

>>16393651
>>16393674
The most successful are held to the highest standards. The least successful have no standards.

Anonymous No. 16393690

>>16393686
but thats now how people approach it, they act like everything musk does is a complete failure because something was late

Anonymous No. 16393691

>>16393651
People complaining about musk’s timetables is such a good filter for who is actually retarded and/or who has interior motives (such as EDS or who is deep in the trenches of academia and who hate him out of political or gibs funding)
Crickets when NASA is off by 20 years, but a lot of verbiage when Musk is off by 4… 5 years? Is it that big of a deal?! Musk is doing it out of pocket idgaf if he’s off by TEN years as long as he remains hopefully optimistic and continues to try

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Anonymous No. 16393693

CLDP status update, several slides were posted here a while ago

Anonymous No. 16393697

>>16393690
Yeah but those people are retarded NPCs. The only thing you can do is kill them on sight to save them from their own hell

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Anonymous No. 16393703

Why is it slower now?

Anonymous No. 16393705

>>16393703
Earth’s gravity is growing stronger

Anonymous No. 16393707

>>16393651
>>16393691
Case in point, here's the Space Exploration Initiative
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_Exploration_Initiative
a space policy initiative which planned for the US to go back to the Moon and ultimately have a manned mission to Mars. This was from the George HW Bush administration in 1989, 35 years ago!!! Not only they made zero progress, but humanity never ventured further than LEO since 1972, during the last Apollo mission, which was 52 years ago!

Anonymous No. 16393709

>>16393703
they'll never get flight rate up if it takes them so long to stack

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>>16393693
We got the missing Axiom update.
Sierra Space also got their own page.
NG is still making a bigger uncrewed Cygnus as a complement to Starlab.
SAS is making a robot to replace EVA.
ThinkOrbital to demonstrate in-space welding in Q4 this year.

Anonymous No. 16393717

>>16393714
>ThinkOrbital to demonstrate in-space welding in Q4 this year.
very interesting, so they aren't dead yet

Anonymous No. 16393719

https://doritos.experience.stjude.org/

Anyone got the doritos?

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Anonymous No. 16393720

https://x.com/ToughSf/status/1837824172883693988

Anonymous No. 16393724

>>16393707
This is from "Vision for Space Exploration", announced by George W Bush, his son, in 2004.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vision_for_Space_Exploration
It sought, among other things, to develop Orion by 2008, to conduct a manned trip with it in 2014, going back to the Moon (and even with plans to the far side!!) and eventually to Mars. Always the same lofty goals. Do you want to know how it went? Anyways, a few years later it was replaced by Obama's plans in the next presidential term. By the general public's logic, NASA lied. In fact, can't stop lying and breaking promises over and over again.

Anonymous No. 16393737

>>16393724
To NASA’s credit they simply throw out ideas (typically in the form of viability studies) but are simply told what to do by Congress. Kind of a retarded system, especially when NASA can be told to do X, devote years and billions of dollars to it, only for Congress to say no no no we are canceling X we are now doing Y. NASA also has a “use it or lose it” style of funding so they can’t just save up money and make their own independent choices and spend money on things they want to do

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https://x.com/DJSnM/status/1837994885200388176

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>>16393719
I'm going to donate and see

Anonymous No. 16393740

>>16393703
Mechazilla is getting tired and demoralized

Anonymous No. 16393744

>>16393738
lmao

Anonymous No. 16393745

>>16393738
Manley is stupid with his politics but he hasn't gone completely deranged, only slight bit.

Anonymous No. 16393758

>hey you guys we can have Doritos in space but we're going to have to make them bite sized and grease them so the dust doesn't get everywhere and compromise the seals

the dust on Mars is a non-issue
seals don't even exist
what are you talking about

Anonymous No. 16393761

>>16393724
How about the russkies? In February of 2004 the deputy director of Roscosmos announced to the public the Kliper project. This vehicle was supposed to be part of a modular system that, as part of a bigger spacecraft, enabled it to go to the Moon and even to Mars. RSC Energia's plans for their interplanetary spacecraft included a vast solar array that dwarfed the habitable module at the center. There were already proposals for Russia to reach the Moon in September of 2005!!! Of course, none of this ever happened, but hey, a couple of years ago in 2022 they promised a gigantic never-seen-before nuclear tug, first of its kind, that could take a crew to Mar- never mind, already cancelled.

Anonymous No. 16393762

>>16393758
John Halo eats doritos and drinks mtn dew code red while he blasts breaking benjamin while he whips the warthog on Installation 04 so I think it’ll be fine

Anonymous No. 16393769

>>16393761
Don’t worry bro Orel will launch to the Moon on an Angara from Vostochny in two weeks, trust the plan

Anonymous No. 16393771

>>16393758
You dont want processed chip flavoring in your eyes

Anonymous No. 16393776

>>16393737
I know, but the point is that these proposals are actually taken seriously in at first, and then forgotten quickly as if nothing had happened in the first place, only for the next announcement to come by and say the exact same thing. In a way, it even sounds Orwellian. People's memory is very, very short.

Anonymous No. 16393782

>>16393535
>>16393683
shooo jooo

Anonymous No. 16393786

>Venera-D originally proposed in 2003
>Currently NET Q4 2029
Damn
>The “D” stands for “dolgozhivuschaya,” i.e. “long lasting” in russian
>3 hr surface lifespan
Oh come on

Anonymous No. 16393796

>>16393786
I’m losing my shit if the Saars don’t put a camera on the ISRO entry probe. Rocket lab isn’t sending a camera. Russia is never going to launch venera-D. DAVINCI is simply too far away to get excited about

Anonymous No. 16393797

>>16393786
It's Venus. "Long lasting" is a relative concept. I think the current record for a surface probe is Venera 13's 127 minutes.

Anonymous No. 16393798

>>16393786
>NET Q4 2029
That date will eventually be pushed into the late 30s, you know that. And even if it launches at all, it will for surely crash, just like Luna 25. Russia is not made for missions past LEO.

Anonymous No. 16393800

>>16393798
I'm getting deja vu from this comment. someone made it before.

Anonymous No. 16393802

>>16393797
Yeah but I think that’s only relative to Russia’s orc tech. Remember, that record was set by CCCP shitcans and a significant number of the attempts didn’t even survive to the surface.
The US could get a modern lander there that could survive on the order of months/a year or more if they wanted to

Anonymous No. 16393807

>>16393798
It's hard to crash in an atmosphere as thick as Venus's. The Venera landers ditched their parachutes at around 50 km and just fell the rest of the way down and their impact speeds were under 10 m/s.

Anonymous No. 16393808

>>16393798
Kek POCKOCMOC will have sat on this for 20+ years only for it to explode when the Briz-M upper stage dies an hero

Anonymous No. 16393811

>>16393807
>It's hard to crash in an atmosphere as thick as Venus's
Don't worry, Roscomos will find a way for the mission to be a complete failure. Maybe they'll perform their favorite trick: failure of even escaping Earth's atmosphere (Anyone remembers the Mars 96 mission?)

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Anonymous No. 16393817

https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1837998266140529074

Anonymous No. 16393818

>>16393811
Kek

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Anonymous No. 16393820

>>16393817

Anonymous No. 16393830

>>16393817
>>16393820
I am once again preaching to the choir here but literally HOW can you have EDS like thunderf00t/CSS/etc and think this is all some sort of “scam” when they are almost literally pulling tricks out of a magic hat with material design? And these aren’t just investorbait powerpoint things. They have made Raptors that push the envelope of low cost and high performance. They have shown you can just weld tanks. Flight 4 was an insane success, especially impressive when you consider the absolute joke that was Mk1 Starship and how fast they have advanced since then. These tanks hold insane pressures, raptor safely contains immense chamber pressures and outputs unbelievable thrust all at a low cost. It’s not just impressive it’s undeniably game-changing

Anonymous No. 16393831

>>16393446
This is making leftist trannies seethe endlessly

Anonymous No. 16393834

>>16393830
There are two states to EDS

>its not possible, its a scam
>its possible they're stealing it, its a scam

Anonymous No. 16393835

I
HATE
EARTHERS

Anonymous No. 16393837

>>16393835
Fuck you belter.

Anonymous No. 16393838

>>16393802
Some people at JPL looked over the problem and what they concluded was that the absolute best we could do with modern tech was a 24 hour mission lifespan. We've got better thermal insulation tech than the Soviet's did but even that can only keep electronics functional for so long when you drop them into an environment as hot as Venus. Teams trying to plan longer term missions either have a big hole in their outlines labeled "develop groundbreaking new technology" or are trying to design rovers that run on clockwork instead of electronics.

Anonymous No. 16393840

>>16393703
increased regulatory burden

Anonymous No. 16393842

>>16393830
Remember when Warren Buffet was paying injuns to protest oil pipelines? Remember when oil companies were paying the Sierra Club to protest coal companies? My sister in law is vegan right up until she gets hungry then she’s down for steak and lobster.

Anonymous No. 16393843

total bureaucrat death
total martian colonization

Anonymous No. 16393846

>>16393798
>>16393811
In fact, roscosmos is such an embarrassment that in their 35-ish years of existence, as far as I remember they've only had only 1 single successful mission on their own beyond GEO, the Spektr-R teslescope, which was in a highly-elliptical Earth orbit. The other 2 were collaborations with Germany (Spektr-RG) and ESA (ExoMars). Seriously, can't find anything else, I thought there were at least 2, even remember having commented about it in this general some years ago, but can't find it now.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Solar_System_probes
Not a single Russian flag. They don't deserve to be called USSR's successor. The soviets at least reached their destinations, even if it were in 1 million pieces.

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Anonymous No. 16393849

I hope rockletlab hurries up their mission to venus

Anonymous No. 16393850

>>16393843
the opposite will happen.

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Anonymous No. 16393851

SpaceX is picking up the remains of B11 from the bottom of the Gulf.
https://x.com/mcrs987/status/1837990608952320030

Anonymous No. 16393852

>>16393830
It's unreal how anyone even somewhat familiar with the space industry can be a Spacex doubter after seeing Raptor 3.
I will always treasure the absolute brutal embarrassment Tory got for trying to be snide about the first pictures.

Anonymous No. 16393857

>>16393851
theyre just sitting around with their dicks in their hands waiting for the FAA to let them fly again. Nothing better to do at this point

Anonymous No. 16393859

>>16393830
Because they don't, at least to a point. There's a mob of low-information troglodytes that have been weaponized against Elon by various economic and political groups. Hating anything Elon is just a stimulus response for them. CSS/etc have just tapped into that by making clickbate that triggers these creatures' programming. They probably believe it a little bit, but its mostly just signaling tribal affiliation and an act they can get paid adbucks for.

Anonymous No. 16393860

>>16393846
ExoMars barely made it. The upper stage exploded seconds after payload separation at Mars. The orbiter/lander survived by some sort of miracle, but the lander failed. Truly insane how incompetent they are

Anonymous No. 16393862

https://x.com/raz_liu/status/1837855524798263580

Anonymous No. 16393863

>>16393860
>The upper stage exploded seconds after payload separation at Mars
Does anyone track space debris around Mars?

Anonymous No. 16393865

>>16393863
how could you?

Anonymous No. 16393868

>>16393865
I don't know.

Anonymous No. 16393870

>>16393860
>but the lander failed
Yes Lord, today I will remind them
https://www.romania-insider.com/romanian-in-conflict-with-italian-space-agency-over-failed-mars-mission
>ARCA Space Corporation, a company registered in New Mexico, U.S., founded by young Romanian entrepreneur Dumitru Popescu, was recently accused by the Italian Space Agency (ASI) of being responsible for the crash of the Schiaparelli module
>According to ASI, ESA awarded ARCA the contract to test the flight and entry into atmosphere of the module, which was worth EUR 1.1 million. ARCA, however, ran into a series of problems and cancelled the tests ASI told Italian newspaper La Repubblica.
>ARCA issued an official statement denying ASI’s allegations. The company says that it was only in charge of testing the parachute used for Schiaparelli’s landing on Mars, which worked fine, according to the ESA's preliminary investigation results. According to ESA, it was the Inertial Measurement Unit (IMU) that didn’t work properly; ARCA claims that an Italian company was in charge of testing the Inertial Measurement Unit.
>ARCA said it would initiate the necessary actions to have Enrico Flamini, the leader of ASI’s scientific team, “support the costs of the statements that have generated a press campaign against ARCA”.

Anonymous No. 16393871

>>16393857
>gets tired of waiting
>picks up where Virgin Oceanic left off
>vows to make SeaQuest DSV a reality
>implants a dolphin with Neurolink

Anonymous No. 16393873

>>16393871
>forms New Atlantis off the Texas coast

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Anonymous No. 16393876

>>16393871
>implants a dolphin with Neurolink
We Uplift War now

Anonymous No. 16393880

>>16393857
NOOOO SPACEX ISN'T READY!! THEY STILL HAVENT FINISHED PICKING UP B11 FROM THE GULF. SPACEX IS FRAUD~!!!

Anonymous No. 16393881

>>16393876
I didn’t know I needed to know about this.

Anonymous No. 16393885

>>16393876
Do not do this, it creates the Liir.

Anonymous No. 16393886

>>16393851
aren't there 30 some odd relatively intact raptors? Probably best that they are not just sitting out there I guess.

Anonymous No. 16393889

>>16393876
Dolphins would probably just use a hardsuit since they don't have any fine manipulator limbs, so everything locomotion related would already have to be robotic in nature.

Anonymous No. 16393890

>>16393859
>There's a mob of low-information troglodytes
True
Go in a shithole like /g/ and people aren't even aware how much F9 has lauched since the handful of launch and landing failures.
Most refuse to even acknowledge dragon exists or try to explain how unsafe it is because of the abort tests.

Truly a strange set of individuals.

Anonymous No. 16393891

>>16393890
>/g/
EDS, the board

Anonymous No. 16393892

how long until they have a raptor 3 starship launch ready?

Anonymous No. 16393896

>>16393892
Two weeks

Anonymous No. 16393897

>>16393892
About the time the FAA approves flight 5.

Anonymous No. 16393920

>>16393896
>>16393897
serious answers pl0x. i wanna see raptor 3 booster in action

Anonymous No. 16393922

>>16393448
noone paid him to do that though

Anonymous No. 16393926

>>16393920
I was being serious. Elon said it himself. He’s building spaceships faster than the government can push papers across a desk.

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Anonymous No. 16393927

>>16393920
Honestly I think it could happen relatively quickly, maybe first one installed on a starship by early 2025, for a flight in mid 2025 or so? Idk, maybe as soon as S34

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Anonymous No. 16393931

>>16393928
it’ll buff out

Anonymous No. 16393932

>>16393928
>the behemoth rises

Anonymous No. 16393933

>>16393927
Haha
The camels are confused

Anonymous No. 16393934

>>16393820
>No paint
OH NO NO NO PAINTCHADS I THOUGHT WE WERE GONNA HAVE WHITE STARSHIPS?????

Anonymous No. 16393937

>>16393928
Next stop: McGregor's test stand for some hot fire.

Anonymous No. 16393940

>>16393933
I understood that reference.
mountain

Anonymous No. 16393942

>>16393927
>>16393928
holy kino

Anonymous No. 16393946

>>16393928
>posted before Musk posted on twitter
Ummm what the sigma

Anonymous No. 16393952

>>16393928
why won't they land on land instead of polluting the ocean

Anonymous No. 16393957

>>16393928
>[File deleted]

Anonymous No. 16393960

elon?

Anonymous No. 16393962

Elon make a mars space station pls

Anonymous No. 16393963

>>16393962
thats idiotic
it doesn't make any sense to have a space station at all

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Anonymous No. 16393971

https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1838027461268750727?s=46&t=ySaWSLoZU6lwZ7u03-FcBQ

Anonymous No. 16393972

I knew it, this is where he gets most of his ideas from. Next he's gonna talk about the Mars mattress.

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Anonymous No. 16393974

>>16393946
Musk first posted a screenshot of the picture from his phone,then reposted it.

Anonymous No. 16393975

Explore self-adhesive ablative tape

Anonymous No. 16393977

>>16393975
Mike McCulloch is on the case

Anonymous No. 16393989

Use giant Optimus hands for mechazilla.

Anonymous No. 16393993

>>16393963
Why would having a space station at mars be a bad thing. You can remote operate machinery from orbit. Build yourself a nice landing pad so you don't have to worry about messy terrain.

Anonymous No. 16393994

>>16393971
SMART reuse

Anonymous No. 16393995

>>16393971
I hope this ends up on display somewhere

Anonymous No. 16393996

just realized I haven't told anyone today how much I hate the FAA

Anonymous No. 16393997

>>16393963
Phobos and Deimos are both there to be made into space stations

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Anonymous No. 16393999

>>16393989

Anonymous No. 16394006

>>16393830
they switched from "starship will never fly" to "starship will only be used for Starlink"

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Anonymous No. 16394014

>>16393834
more like
>that's impossible, it's never been done before
to
>nothing impressive, it's already been done before
watch out how this is currently happening with orbital refilling.

Anonymous No. 16394019

>"environmentalists" when SpaceX offloads potable water

SHUT IT DOWN RIGHT NOW

>"environmentalists" when Norfolk Southern doesn't stop a train carrying MANY tonnes of highly toxic chemicals when it's wheels literally catch fire in East Palestine Ohio

this is fine

Anonymous No. 16394021

>>16393738
>I'd rather have someone that's competent in the presidency.
I sure hope he isn't referring to Giggles the Clown.

Anonymous No. 16394022

>>16394019
Environmentalists have only ever been the foot soldiers of corporate/goverment interests

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Anonymous No. 16394030

>>16393999
digits confirm
and the headpat at the end is the best part

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Anonymous No. 16394032

>>16394022
>>16394019
Their days are numbered

Anonymous No. 16394033

At this point I wonder if humanity even deserves to be "saved". Bunch of ungrateful, hedonistic, sanctimonious cunts who only care about their own asses. Imagine being Musk or anyone at SpaceX right now, receiving criticism left and right non-stop from everyone you know, thank goodness the man seems to be immune to it and hasn't killed himself yet or turned into a misanthropist. With each passing day, I agree more and more with demigod war anon.

Anonymous No. 16394034

>>16393999
OM NOM NOM NOM

Anonymous No. 16394036

>>16393999
Checked

Good. It’s already on the works.

Anonymous No. 16394038

>>16393971
So many feelings

Anonymous No. 16394039

>>16393738
Manley baffles me sometimes, then I remember that he's just incurably british

Anonymous No. 16394040

>>16393971
That'll buff right out

Anonymous No. 16394041

>>16394033
Ignore the deserving and undeserving aspects of justice. Only focus on what is good and not. Focusing only on evil leads to more evil.

Anonymous No. 16394042

>>16393890
/g/ has derangement syndrome about everything, Elon, crypto, AI, you name it

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Anonymous No. 16394043

>>16393971
>>16393974
Somehow we need a repost of the actual photo on its own.

Anonymous No. 16394044

>>16393508
Doesn't FSD technically exist right now for most Teslas? Like it's not 100% flawless but you can technically have a tesla drive you whereever you want by itself can't you?

Anonymous No. 16394047

>>16394044
>>16393508
erm its actually FSD(Supervised) now chud

Anonymous No. 16394048

>>16393511
That seems like a generous (to the feds) estimate

Anonymous No. 16394049

>>16394044
Its existed for few years and people have been driving them. It can do ~99% of the daily driving. The 1% is mainly the starting and the ending point where they havent connected it fully. There's still smart automated parking(having the car park automatically) and smart recall(calling car from parking to you) but they aren't unified with regular FSD yet.

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Anonymous No. 16394054

>>16394019
a memoryholed atrocity

Anonymous No. 16394057

>>16393999
Piloted by an anime girl inside the tower

Anonymous No. 16394060

>>16393738
>giving concessions to hostile powers because they said nice things to him
>why yes, Trump not attacking Russian forces in Syria (before it was to spill over into war in Europe) like Hillary had planned obviously PROVES he is a KGB mole sent to infiltrate the White House
blah blah always the same with these zio-retards

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Anonymous No. 16394061

>>16393963
You can use it to generate the plasma torus which will be used to restore Mars' magnetic field.
>but you don't need a magnetic field
No, but it's nice to have and raises morale.

Anonymous No. 16394068

>>16394061
>>but you don't need a magnetic field
You do need it, claims to the contrary are coping. The task of terraforming is difficult enough without fighting an uphill battle when you don't have to.

Anonymous No. 16394076

>>16394068
Even more reason to build a BPT (Based Plasma Torus). And Plasma Magnet ships can probably use it for braking into.

Anonymous No. 16394079

>>16393876
wish the dolphin uplift guy wrote more books

Anonymous No. 16394081

>>16394007
why don't they use all that exhaust to power a turbine????

Anonymous No. 16394082

>>16393876
Imagining dolphins as being the uplift candidate is so 90s, we really had no idea what we were talking about.
Raccoons are a much better candidate
>hands
>almost bipedal
>inquisitive mind
Dolphins are untrustworthy, they're the gaslighters of the sea.

Anonymous No. 16394084

>>16394082
>Raccoons are a much better candidate

>looks at Franklin

Anonymous No. 16394087

>>16393852
>I will always treasure the absolute brutal embarrassment Tory got for trying to be snide about the first pictures.
I must have missed that. Any screencaps of it?

Anonymous No. 16394091

Musk would do well to get some military advisors.

The idea that he's going to let people buy themselves a ticket to Mars is fucking stupid.
They aren't going to be qualified professionals with a salary commiserate to their talent, they'll be unstable richfag tourists who will endanger any mission they are assigned to and deadweight eaters going stir crazy.

A recipe for disaster.
>>16392377

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Anonymous No. 16394092

>>16394087

Anonymous No. 16394095

>>16394092
Every now and then you come across a woman who’s a keeper.

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Anonymous No. 16394096

>>16394087
He posts this, the video of the test firing is posted soon after, and Gwynne posts:
https://x.com/Gwynne_Shotwell/status/1821674726885924923
That's the main interaction, but I think he had a couple other posts where he was clearly salty.

Anonymous No. 16394102

>>16394091
Oh it's the autistic decontamination protocol fag.
You come across as someone who either fantasizes about being in the military or is very new to the military and hasn't had time to get disillusioned.

Anonymous No. 16394106

>>16394091
And what qualifications do YOU bring to the colony?

Anonymous No. 16394109

>>16393989
>>16393999
So this is how gundam development gets started.

Anonymous No. 16394110

>>16393762
Ugh Don make me sad

Anonymous No. 16394111

>>16394096
To be honest I thought it was a clean prototype when I first saw it too

Anonymous No. 16394112

>>16394061
I love these schizo concepts for giving Mars a magnetic field (or something equivalent).

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Anonymous No. 16394113

Is this true? Is Nikki Haley the right choice for space?

Anonymous No. 16394114

>>16394091
>qualified professionals
Jared will likely be one of the firsts.

>they'll be unstable richfags tourists
Personal opinion wit politics leaking.

Anonymous No. 16394115

>>16394112
Bamford is actually a serious plasma researcher who showed how a relatively weak magnetic field can cause charge separation in the solar wind, greatly enhancing the shielding effect. She showed how the Lunar Swirls on the moon are almost certainly due to this shielding.

Anonymous No. 16394117

>>16394102
any military historian could tell you that the system of purchasing commissions has very serious problems that outweigh incidental benefits
that observation holds true in private venutres too

if people want to fund missions and use that stake to nominate candidates, that's probably good
but pretending these posts are open to anyone with the money is going to end badly
that's not something worth encouraging because it has the potential to corrupt and "streamline" the certification and training process'

>>16394106
not going
but I know that relvant qualifications are the defining criterion for selection

Anonymous No. 16394118

>>16394115
Not trying to discredit anyone here, schizo was meant as more of a compliment than an insult. What I was trying to say is that a lot of the proposed solutions for the Martian magnetosphere question are creative and batshit insane in the best way possible. Between this, nuking the core a billion times, and building giant fucking magnets, I just love the sheer scale and ingenuity behind it all.

Anonymous No. 16394121

>>16394114
Jared is going to fumble the decon procedure and track deadly Mars microbes into the base, killing everyone.

Anonymous No. 16394122

>>16394118
>I just love the sheer scale and ingenuity behind it all.
Same!

Anonymous No. 16394123

>>16394117
This isn't a "mission", whatever that is. Paying to go is like buying a ticket on the Mayflower.

Anonymous No. 16394124

>>16394121
Martian microbes likely wouldn't be compatible with human biology and would have little effect on our bodies. Most pathogens are evolved to be infectious and harmful, and in an environment with no multicellular life, there's no reason why any hypothetical Martian microbes would evolve to infect things. Alien diseases are pure sci-fi schlock.

Anonymous No. 16394129

>>16394121
Wait a minute, there's microbes on Mars? Can I see the proof?

Anonymous No. 16394134

>>16394123
You may have never heard of the Mayflower Compact, Massachusetts Bay company.
Or the Plymoth company.

They didn't just sell people tickets.
Had law codes and charters.

>>16394124
>Martian microbes likely wouldn't be compatible with human biology and would have little effect on our bodies.
That's loaded.

Dormant, or potentially active extremophiles may be discovered that could reproduce asexually in habitat areas or host and produce unforeseen byproducts.
It really depends on the location. There are places on Mars where that is considered more of a risk.

Anonymous No. 16394139

>>16394134
>Had law codes and charters

They also dumped them and created their own because ‘oh noes a storm blew us off course and now we aren’t beholden to the laws of the Virginia company’.

Anonymous No. 16394140

>>16394134
These extremophiles have no evolutionary pressure to drive them to acquire the ability to infect and multiply in human body. It is just as likely that 20% oxygen level is lethal to Martian microbes, if they exist.

Anonymous No. 16394141

>>16394134
>>16394124
If NASA had done serious followups to the Viking experiments and answered the question instead of chasing rocks and pretending like nobody believes Mars had liquid water for decades we wouldn't need to deal in hypotheticals.

Anonymous No. 16394142

>>16394140
introduction to a human host could occur incidentally through membrane or inhalation
asexual reproduction doesn't really need that much evolutionary pressure
you seem to be assuming a lot about Martian ecology back when it had an atmosphere

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Anonymous No. 16394143

I hate how we need gay still-in-development technologies like fusion, metallic hydrogen, or antimatter to get some of the best feasible specific impulse propulsion.
I wish we could just get everywhere in a reasonable timespan using chemical and nuclear (fission) rockets. Or that some of the schizodrives like the QI drive or EM drive were real. I don't want to wait another 40 years (or probably more like 80 lol) until scalable net-positive fusion is discovered/invented before we can finally get the technology to colonize the outer solar system or even start interstellar travel.

Anonymous No. 16394145

>>16394143
C is still too slow. The universe is fake and gay. Dirac was right.

Anonymous No. 16394154

>>16394142
>introduction to a human host could occur incidentally through membrane or inhalation
Doesn't mean they can overcome our immune system, which they have no reason to have evolved such capability. Nor their ability to multiply inside human body, again something they have no reason to evolve.
>asexual reproduction doesn't really need that much evolutionary pressure
No reason to believe they have evolved to multiply effectively or even survive in 1 atm, 20% oxygen, 20 degrees environment. You seemed to have forgot that Martian microbes, if exist, are evolved to survive and multiply better on Mars, not Earth.
>you seem to be assuming a lot about Martian ecology back when it had an atmosphere
On the contrary, you are assuming that Martian microbes would somehow evolve the ability to take advantage of humans and Earth like environment despite they have no evolutionary pressure to evolve such capabilities. You are assuming Martian microbes would randomly evolve such a set of capabilities despite the almost infinite number of alternatives, some of which would let them multiply better on Mars.

Anonymous No. 16394175

>>16394143
Laser highway is all we need bwo

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Anonymous No. 16394189

>>16393761
Please don’t talk about the Kliper in this thread. I can’t take it.

Anonymous No. 16394206

>>16394189
Russian spaceflight history is so full of tragedies. I feel enormous sympathy for anyone in that country who actually cares about space.

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Anonymous No. 16394208

>>16393446

Anonymous No. 16394218

>getting 1 ship to mars, let alone 5, will require spacex to master orbital starship refueling within the next 15 months
they're cutting it close

Anonymous No. 16394230

>>16394060
I think you got your words mixed there. Donald is the everything for Zion guy.

Anonymous No. 16394231

>>16394218
they're demonstrating that next year sometime, which requires a launch cadence of being able to do two ships in in the space of 3-4 weeks. If the first or second catch attempt goes well and there isn't a lengthy mishap report to produce, 10-15 launches could be possible next year which would be plenty to make orbital refilling 'easy'

Anonymous No. 16394233

>>16394175
Preach nigga, it's like building a frontier railroad but in space. In fact the circumstances are almost identical. Work gangs have to work ahead of the infrastructure on slow travel times with expensive upfront and ongoing supply costs, just like the railroads. Once the road is established it slices travel time into a small fraction of its previous times and also eliminates stupid waiting for orbital transfer windows (very cool). Increases payload while cutting costs massively. A wise man would invest in optics companies, solar power companies, silicon ingot production companies. Imagine you invested in iron and steelworks just before the american railroad fevwr kicked off. $$$$$$$$$#$. Unfortunately this means the "we don't need roads where we're going" thing doesn't work out which makes me sad.

Anonymous No. 16394239

>>16394032
>Warren sees green activists, who he once said should be “removed from the gene pool,” as a serious threat to the industry.
I hope he wins.

Anonymous No. 16394252

>>16394118
You don't need a magnetosphere on mars. Earth needed one billions of years ago to get past 1 variable of the great filter but it's no longer necessary for atmosphere retention.

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Anonymous No. 16394257

>>16393997
Phobos, being tidally locked and VERY close to mars, would be a better than average outpost. The excellent view of the martian surface may also come with the advantage of radiation reduction, the planet of mars taking up a substantial portion of the sky. If they built a base in a deep crater or hole there could be very low radiation.

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Anonymous No. 16394262

>>16393971
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1838117114332287453

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Anonymous No. 16394264

https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1838117830547341676

How big?

Anonymous No. 16394265

>>16394257
On the side facing Mars, radiation would be almost zero

Anonymous No. 16394268

>>16394262
Don't fucking jinx it

Anonymous No. 16394272

>>16394264
There's no size limits in space senpai

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Anonymous No. 16394275

>>16394092

She totally roasted him...
he probably STILL feels the burn.

Anonymous No. 16394279

>>16394264
Ayys have ships a mile wide I don't see why we couldn't

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Anonymous No. 16394283

I understand the want to go to Mars, BUT the moon is RIGHT THERE!
Once you have established a colony on the moon THEN go to mars.
The moon is close enough that if you screw something up the settlers can enter bunkers and be rescued in a few days.
Moon colonization FIRST then Mars.

Anonymous No. 16394286

>>16394265
I think the surface would reflect/scatter some UV radiation but it would be lower than direct exposure to the sky

Anonymous No. 16394287

>>16394283
colonizing the moon is pointless, at least making it fully self-sufficient like a mars colony should be

Anonymous No. 16394302

>>16394283
Moon is tougher because of the total vacuum and lack of water.

Anonymous No. 16394305

>>16394302
You're mother is a total vacuuum

Anonymous No. 16394308

>>16393971
>All of that silt in the engine bells
It was probably buried quite deep, let's see if the can recover more

Anonymous No. 16394309

>>16394283
We cant even think about that until we solved all the problems on Earth

Anonymous No. 16394317

>>16394309
Focus on yourself, buster! Hit the gym! Stop trying to save the world!

Anonymous No. 16394320

>>16394317
I can't hit the gym until we fix the Earth

Anonymous No. 16394325

>>16394302
I support Martian colonization but I should say that Mars’s atmosphere may as well be a total vacuum compare to Earth’s at less than 1% thickness, it doesn’t even reach the Armstrong limit.
Also there’s ice on the Moon, and if that’s not enough, it takes slightly less dV with a lot quicker travel time and no biyearly transfer window to move water to the moon.
SpaceX is just moving forwards with Mars colonization first because Starship is overkill for landing on the Moon and is designed to aerobrake in what little atmosphere Mars has to get free dV for touchdown. Plus NASA and the ESA are supposed to be working on Moon colonization and SpaceX wouldn’t want to steal their thunder ;)

Anonymous No. 16394326

>>16394309
The answer to Earth’s problems are in Space.

Anonymous No. 16394327

https://youtu.be/4BB4KRgkZRE
Europe clper

Anonymous No. 16394330

So I was watching videos about the early industrial revolution and learned that water>steam has an expansion ratio of 1700, I did a double take because isn't vac raptor only like 200? Does this have to do with the bell shape? You don't get that expansion ration just from high pressure steam right?

Anonymous No. 16394331

>>16394325
>Mars’s atmosphere may as well be a total vacuum compare to Earth’s at less than 1% thickness, it doesn’t even reach the Armstrong limit.
I don't mean for walking around in, I mean as a resource.
You can compress it, pass it through a plasma cracker, and get oxygen for very little effort, venting the carbon monoxide outside. You don't have to electrolyze regolith or be ultra-careful to recycle all your breathing gas.
>Also there’s ice on the Moon
Amount unknown, and if it's there it's in a few limited locations in an inconvenient form. On Mars you just use a shovel.

Anonymous No. 16394333

>>16394327
I'm so fed up with Europa.

Anonymous No. 16394334

>>16394325
the whole point is to have a self-sufficient redundant place for civilization
moon will never be self-sufficient due to the lack of resources and proximity
Mars being two years away is actually good for redundancy, problems won't immediately be replicated on mars too

Anonymous No. 16394336

>>16394333
Everyone is man. especially the Encels

Anonymous No. 16394338

Does anyone have a link to that recent power point update of the new space stations?

Anonymous No. 16394340

>>16394334
Western civilization isnt self sufficient. Why would Mars be?

Anonymous No. 16394347

>>16394333
The saturn system unironically sucks

🗑️ Anonymous No. 16394351

>>16394331
the expansion rate depends on the initial and final pressures, its not some fixed metric
if you had a hollow sphere the size of the earth that had perfect vacuum in it, you could release a single molecule in there and in principle the "expansion ratio" would be the volume of earth divided by the volume of that molecule (or the smallest container you could put the molecule in, in principle it could be the size of the molecule)

earths diameter is 12,742 km
the atomic diameter of He is 62 picometers
the expansion ratio would be 2.1 *10E17 or 21 quadrillion

Anonymous No. 16394353

>>16394330
the expansion rate depends on the initial and final pressures, its not some fixed metric
if you had a hollow sphere the size of the earth that had perfect vacuum in it, you could release a single molecule in there and in principle the "expansion ratio" would be the volume of earth divided by the volume of that molecule (or the smallest container you could put the molecule in, in principle it could be the size of the molecule)

earths diameter is 12,742 km
the atomic diameter of He is 62 picometers
the expansion ratio would be 2.1 *10E17 or 21 quadrillion

Anonymous No. 16394356

>>16394340
because it has to be and there is a great incentive to be

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Anonymous No. 16394357

>>16394265
>almost zero
Mars covers only about 16% of Phobos sky - in picrel angle alpha is about 20 degrees, so diameter is 40 deg and area 16%.
One could dig a 70 deg sloped hole and block the rest of the sky though.
>>16394286
>UV
Use sunblock?

Anonymous No. 16394368

>>16394357
Hmm that's not very good. Can we lower Phobos? Or expand Mars?

Anonymous No. 16394390

>>16394368
Lowering phobos probably not too hard. Expanding Mars difficult.

Anonymous No. 16394395

>>16394218
If the FAA didn't keep delaying their shit, they would have almost an entire extra year to master orbital refueling.

>>16394252
>but it's no longer necessary for atmosphere retention
I see this posted again and again in this general but almost every published paper on Martian terraforming claims that we will need one for long-term terraforming.
I know it will take a very long time for Mars's atmosphere to get blown away again if it were replenished but a magnetosphere also provides radiation protection to those living on the surface, and there's always the possibility of freak solar weather.

Anonymous No. 16394398

Happy 25 year anniversary of Mars Climate Orbiter burning up to those who celebrate.
Check yo’ units!

Anonymous No. 16394401

>>16394395
>there's always the possibility of freak solar weather.
This would definitely happen sooner or later and might really assfuck your atmosphere if you forgo the magentosphere.

Anonymous No. 16394434

There is an interesting possibility to make a Mars colony virus-free. Theoretically every single immigrant could be screened for viruses and what ever viruses manage to get in should quickly go extinct in the small population. It could take hundreds of years for new viruses to evolve. At the same time the Mars colony eill be extremely vulnerable just like the
native Americans were. A native Marsian might not be able to return to earth

Anonymous No. 16394442

>>16394434
You are retarded

Anonymous No. 16394448

>>16394356
Mars doesn't need to manufacture computer chips. It will be a specialized economy like every other place, if it ever is an economy.

Anonymous No. 16394453

>>16394448
it does as a matter of mars national security
they don't necessarily need to be on par with specialized earth chips, but mars needs to have the possibility of being fully self-sufficient, that means chips too

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Anonymous No. 16394454

>Isar Confirms Hot Fire Testing Has Commenced at Andøya
>German rocket builder Isar Aerospace has told European Spaceflight that the company is “currently performing hot fire tests of the first and second stages” that will be used for the inaugural flight of its Spectrum rocket.

https://europeanspaceflight.com/isar-confirms-hot-fire-testing-has-commenced-at-andoya/

Anonymous No. 16394458

>>16394454
inb4 test stand blows up

Anonymous No. 16394460

>>16394453
There's not going to be much national security concern that far from earth, anyway

Anonymous No. 16394480

>>16394460
if the shipments stop coming and you need those chips for operating the base, then yes it is a very larger national secuirty concern
its existential

Anonymous No. 16394501

>>16394395
Edwin kite mentioned atmospheric loss would take millions or "even billions" of years to happen. Anything beyond the scale of multicellular life is so totally irrelevant it's not worth putting human effort into.

Anonymous No. 16394505

>>16393862
lol that drop

Anonymous No. 16394520

>>16394113
nikki haley was a spook

Anonymous No. 16394525

>>16393207
NOOOOOOO NOOOOOOOOOAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHH THAT CANT HAPPEN NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO THOSE POOR HUMANS

Anonymous No. 16394529

https://www.thespaceshow.com/show/17-sep-2024/broadcast-4260-eric-berger
How does this podcast stay in business? it sounds like a 90s AM radio broadcast, super boring host, super low quality. put me to sleep

Anonymous No. 16394530

>>16394529
probably listened to bt boomers

Anonymous No. 16394532

>>16394530
How does this mistake keep happening? Y is a right hand key and T is a left hand key

Anonymous No. 16394534

>>16394529
https://www.thespaceshow.com/sponsors

Anonymous No. 16394535

>>16394532
i sometimes write with weird fingers if im eating finger food

Anonymous No. 16394536

>>16394534
i imagibe you would still need listeners for the sponsors to make sense

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Anonymous No. 16394540

AAAAAH IM VOOOONTINNG

Anonymous No. 16394542

>>16394534
>list of other boomer orgs, scams, oldspace
did they forget they subscribed monthly?

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Anonymous No. 16394546

>>16393513
I thought Trump was supposed to be literally Hitler? Why is Elon somehow more racist than him all the sudden?

Anonymous No. 16394548

is the spacex artemisplan really to to the trasnfer burn, landing, and liftoff from the moon all on one tank of fuel? if so, makes sense why musk is scrambling for higher performance engines and a loner ship, because thats impossible with current ship.

Anonymous No. 16394550

>>16394546
>inb4 elon says none of that shit is his or spacexs and its contractors who dumped it

Anonymous No. 16394551

https://www.youtube.com/live/Vf-U7b6kjVU
comfy stream

Anonymous No. 16394552

>>16394546
What even does racism mean these days? Or fascism? Or evil?
Seriously… they throw these words out so often like the boy who cried wolf that I don’t even care anymore.

Anonymous No. 16394554

>>16394552
He wants to colonise Mars
Colonisation is racist.

Anonymous No. 16394555

>>16394550
poor latinx construction workers dumped it there for their local construction project and CAH is doing a heckin' racism by telling minorities what they can and can't do

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Anonymous No. 16394556

Before/after of recent failed launch from Russia

Anonymous No. 16394558

>>16394540
they make it look brighter outside than it seems

Anonymous No. 16394559

>>16394556
What rocket was it?

Anonymous No. 16394561

>>16394559
Sarmat

Anonymous No. 16394563

>>16394558
The sun is coming up wdym?

Anonymous No. 16394564

>>16394563
It’s still pretty damn dark outside at 6:55 in texas time. If you were driving without headlights you’d crash

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Anonymous No. 16394577

https://x.com/peterrhague/status/1838181493023052151
>Headline figure - what Musk wants would take 35 Starship flights. Likely SpaceX needs to be fulfilling the HLS contract for NASA at the same moment so add maybe 10 to that. These flights likely have to happen in a year at most, as propellant will boil away.

https://planetocracy.org/p/steps-towards-mars

7 post long thread and an article

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Anonymous No. 16394595

>>16393207
PUTIN JUST GAVE FLOWERS TO AN US ASTRONAUT!

Anonymous No. 16394598

>>16393928
>file deleted
so this was actually posted before musk, huh

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Anonymous No. 16394599

>>16394556
That's really impressive, any chance in hell of getting video of the event? Or is this one going to be buried and hidden, leaving it up to the imagination?

Anonymous No. 16394604

>>16394595
nice puffer jacket

Anonymous No. 16394606

>>16394595
That’s actually just yuri borisov, not putin lol
Soyuz recovery is so silly. Everyone carries you and throws a blanket over you like you’re some sort of gangly sick creature hahah. Looks comfy though, I’m sure if you asked for borscht and vodka they would accommodate

Anonymous No. 16394609

>>16394091
Most of the work after manned window three or so will be factory labor. Your fantasies are not based in reality

Anonymous No. 16394617

>>16394357
If the sun was visible from earth it would cover more than half of the daytime sky.

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Anonymous No. 16394627

https://x.com/SciGuySpace/status/1838219683318669525

Anonymous No. 16394630

>>16394617
uh lol um

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Anonymous No. 16394634

https://x.com/cnunezimages/status/1838194448087343286

Anonymous No. 16394643

>>16394627
why not here

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Anonymous No. 16394648

boing memes seem to be pretty hot right now
or maybe I am the only one seeing tons of them
if the latter I wonder why the algorithm is doing this to me

Anonymous No. 16394679

>>16394019
anyone that has anything to do with physically handling nature will tell you that "environmentalists" are just journos by another name, losers who either didn't study or studied irrelevant shit in college who know have no applicable skills other than the ability to read and write basic english.
anyone who mostly stands around screaming at other people to do stuff and treats that as a profession should consider having their braincase cheesegratered against a concrete curb.

Anonymous No. 16394683

>>16394679
>we should do X
>you can strive towards doing X
>no, you should do X for me

Anonymous No. 16394689

>>16394546
I noticed a coincidence when I looked into who was behind Cards Against Humanity

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Anonymous No. 16394696

>>16394694
I hate GM so much it’s unreal

Anonymous No. 16394697

>>16394694
did that bad boy work?

Anonymous No. 16394708

>>16394577
> paywalled
Any subscribers wanna help a nigga out?

Anonymous No. 16394712

>>16394697
it can move its arms around so in that sense it worked, but that's no different from any other robotic arm
it wasn't capable of moving from one location to another, didn't perform any useful work and couldn't be taken outside
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2NbUkpmHDDY

Anonymous No. 16394717

>>16394546
Do people like this just not fear someone tracking them down and kicking the shit out of them?

Anonymous No. 16394719

>>16394717
why would they? it hasn't happened since high school

Anonymous No. 16394720

>>16394712
why couldnt it be taken outside

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Anonymous No. 16394721

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OpsbRnrn-3g

Anonymous No. 16394722

>>16394719
>it hasn't happened since high school
Probably why they're so smug and bold about being such cockmunching faggots, nobody's kicked the shit out of them for it in years.

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Anonymous No. 16394723

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FjghasfkFbs

Anonymous No. 16394724

>>16394683
exactly, i've planted about 3 hectares of forest over the past few years but the moment i'm tasked to high cut some pioneer species so the undergrowth gets a bit more light some retarded passer-by tries be nature conscious and tells me to stop cutting down the poor trees.

you guys might hate these people, but you could never hate them as much as i do from my position.

Anonymous No. 16394725

is there an overpressure notice scheduled today?

Anonymous No. 16394727

>>16394720
I suppose they didn't design a way to power it outside or any way to secure it in place or procedures for moving it around since it wasn't intended to do that and didn't have any useful purpose outside the station

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Anonymous No. 16394738

>>16394725
No.

Anonymous No. 16394740

Which ISS modules have windows? I know the copula does, obviously. Kibo also does, are there any others?

Anonymous No. 16394751

Oh good heavens the state of this board is really abysmal. I usually just keep this tab open and click to next stage, but I was recently forced to see the catalog. Guys we absolutely can not allow schizophrenics on Mars

Anonymous No. 16394753

>>16394728
this site has trained me to laugh every time someone uses a normal set of two words in my language, fuck all of you.
fuck you guys.

Anonymous No. 16394755

>>16394751
thankfully the rest of /sci/ is completely irrelevant.
/sfg/ IS /sci/.
which is really why /sci/ should be merged with /trash/ and /sfg/ should take it's place as a new board.

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Anonymous No. 16394758

>>16394740
Russian segment has a few windows. Zvezda has 14 small windows. Nauka has I think two? One of them pictured here.

Anonymous No. 16394762

Oh my God, they're actually going for launch

Anonymous No. 16394763

>>16394751
>forced to see the catalog.
lol, I can already imagine that experience: posts about vaccines=bad, IQ tests, and 1=0.999, those 3 repeated over and over again.

Anonymous No. 16394767

>>16394722
You're as cringe as the fags who say punchable face

Anonymous No. 16394768

>>16394767
some people just have punchable faces man.
voices even more, valley girl accents, especially on men, make me want to beat it out of them until they start speaking normally.
not the anon you were talking to btw.

Anonymous No. 16394772

>>16394552
Calling your enemies racists/fascists/nazis is an old communist tactic.

Anonymous No. 16394776

>>16394767
Low-t unmale, any other anon itt could beat you up and you couldn't do a thing to stop them.

Anonymous No. 16394777

>>16394763
Take away the most relevant one, 1=0.999, and replace it with incoherent schizophrenia. There are /x/tier threads on this board right now

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Anonymous No. 16394783

>>16394753
I laugh whenever I see a normal set of any words in your language.

Anonymous No. 16394788

̶e̶a̶r̶t̶h̶e̶r̶s̶ the dutch could be here

Anonymous No. 16394794

>>16394728
FAA gonna freak

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Anonymous No. 16394796

>>16394783
It is a very silly language.

Anonymous No. 16394798

>>16394783
to be fair that's not my language, that's afrikaans, a hilarious offbranch of dutch.
imagine australians for english, but much cuter sounding.

for instance their word for a female flight attendant is "zweefteef" which means "floatbitch" in dutch.

Anonymous No. 16394800

>>16394798
>floatbitch
kek, that is pretty funny.

Anonymous No. 16394805

>>16394772
what if it's true

Anonymous No. 16394808

>>16394800
there's also their word for submarine: kan-nie-sink-nie-skippie, which is literally just can't-not-sink-not-shippy.

every time i read afrikaans i imagine a cute loli speaking it because that's what their language sounds like, a cute loli trying to be as vulgar as possible.

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Anonymous No. 16394809

Behold Avio's grasshopper project. 7 tons thrust.
That'll be 200 million yurobucks.

Anonymous No. 16394812

>>16394728
It'd be cool if the launch button were inside the spacecraft.

Anonymous No. 16394814

>>16394798
the zweefteef zegs we gaan!

Anonymous No. 16394821

>>16394694
HE

Anonymous No. 16394832

>>16394809
>composite tank
Oldspace grift, meme or a good idea?

Anonymous No. 16394837

>>16394809
>2025
I don't believe them

Anonymous No. 16394838

>>16394768
>>16394776
>t. Never grew out of middle school

Anonymous No. 16394841

>>16394838
>t. never got over being rightfully beaten up in school

Anonymous No. 16394850

>>16394808
>every time i read afrikaans i imagine a cute loli speaking it because that's what their language sounds like, a cute loli trying to be as vulgar as possible.

That explains the existence of this thing.

https://www.forgottenweapons.com/inkunzi-paw-aka-neopup-20mm-direct-fire-grenade-launcher/

Anonymous No. 16394851

>>16394841
Unlike you, I don't live in a shithole.

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Anonymous No. 16394852

>bonk

Anonymous No. 16394853

>>16394852
That panel was surprisingly sturdy.

Anonymous No. 16394854

>>16394851
Unlike you I have testicles.

Anonymous No. 16394862

>>16394854
post proof with timestamp. you wont fag.

Anonymous No. 16394863

>>16394851
you had a temper tantrum because someone noted that people that act smug like these internet activists do likely never had to deal with any actual adversity in their entire life.

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Anonymous No. 16394864

>>16394808

Anonymous No. 16394866

>>16394694
>austistic screeching

Anonymous No. 16394869

space lolis?

Anonymous No. 16394871

>>16394832
IMO composite tanks (either cryogenic tanks for liquids or composite casings for SRBs) generally make sense for small upper stages of small launchers, because when you work at such a small size, the 30% or so tank mass gain really matter for the stage's mass ratio and payload. I'm not convinced for lower stages.

Anonymous No. 16394874

>>16394454
Wow Norgay sends up a rocket before us swedebros?!?, whatever will we do about this. Sigh, I suppose I will have to piss and shit myself now in pure frustration

Anonymous No. 16394888

>>16394862
>let me see your balls, fag

Anonymous No. 16394892

>>16394841
I was always taller and bigger than most my classmates so I no one ever wanted to fight me and I didn't hang out with niggers. I also didn't have a childish need to fight anyone unlike you

Anonymous No. 16394895

>>16394869
afrikaaner space lolis

Anonymous No. 16394900

>>16394869
where's that poster that thinks Mars won't have age of consent laws

Anonymous No. 16394907

>dennis tito wasn't just some random billionaire he was a former JPL scientist
I'll never forgive them

Anonymous No. 16394908

>>16394900
age of consent will be in mars years

Anonymous No. 16394909

>>16394908
yeah, 6 mars years.

Anonymous No. 16394912

>>16394909
b-but officer, i'm 13 in mars years!

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Anonymous No. 16394919

frost on the booster

Anonymous No. 16394920

>>16394852
Spektr is such a sick name for a station module, damn

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Anonymous No. 16394921

>Ship (SN?) 30
How many numbers have been skipped, or were assigned to ships that wound up half-finished or scrapped? Crazy to think we're seeing #30, having been watching since before webm-related.

Anonymous No. 16394926

>>16394921
SN5 was the first test i watched and around the time i learned of the starship program. was staying up late at night looking for random shit on youtube and stumbled across a labpadre livestream showing that silo taking off and landing.
shit was so wild i instantly started looking into starship and what the heck spacex was trying to do with it.

Anonymous No. 16394937

>>16394926
SN5 always stood out to me with all the debris flying around and highway 4 is right there. In hindsight it seems like none of it would have been allowed if they actually thought he would succeed and knew what would come afterward. Rather it was seen as some silly billionaire blowing up his toy rockets on the beach on his dime.

Anonymous No. 16394938

finish to florida tower already

Anonymous No. 16394945

>>16394938
Can't without the IFT-5/6 data to know what is needed

Anonymous No. 16394946

you need FAA permission to land on earth...do you need it for mars too?

Anonymous No. 16394950

>>16394946
Honestly I wouldn’t be surprised if some gay law made it so.

Anonymous No. 16394951

>>16394937
yeah it's become very clear to me that all the naysayers did nothing to stop him because they genuinely thought it was a techbro pipedream.

i think you've all noticed the agression increased substantially after flight 4, it landing perfectly DESPITE heat shield failure scared the shit out of the EDS crowd who can no longer subconsciously fool themselves into believing it will fail, which means they need to MAKE it fail in order to keep their worldview from tearing itself apart.
they might honestly have deluded themselves into thinking starship was never gonna work before flight 4, but that's no longer the case and they're very very afraid.

Anonymous No. 16394953

>>16394946
Due to the starlink terms of service the US government has already agreed it isn't their business
>For Services provided on Mars, or in transit to Mars via Starship or other spacecraft, the parties recognize Mars as a free planet and that no Earth-based government has authority or sovereignty over Martian activities.

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Anonymous No. 16394954

>>16394837
There's no reason to believe Avio's timelines since they have never met them.

From what I understand, they got M300€ back in 2022 to develop grasshoppers and a 60t thrust Open Expander methalox engine, the current plan is

>2025: ~7-8tf thrust DC-X like methalox grasshopper to fly a few/several km, with restarta capability (like the recent landspace test, but smaller)
>2026: ~20-25tf thrust VTVL vehicle that will demonstrate a typical launch profile with reentry burn, landing burn, with a S2 demontrator for Vega E
>late 2020s: Small RLV derived from their IFD with probably <1t payload using their 60t engine (60-120tf)
>early 2030s: Medium-lift RLV

Unambitious, yet they won't even keep that timeline, but there's also no reason to hate it unless you're italian, since it's entirely funded by italian taxpayer's money, and that funding would never have left italy, and there's a serious italian alternative to Avio.

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Anonymous No. 16394983

>>16394926
I remember when it was still called BFR and looked a lot different, I wanted to believe but I didn't start to until Hopper took flight.

Anonymous No. 16394989

>>16394983
>50 million an engine
>2 billion per starship
Oldspace really poisoned people's minds

Anonymous No. 16394991

>>16394983
the collage of people saying it's a water tower with the picture of starhopper flying is one of the most beautiful things I've seen

Anonymous No. 16394995

>>16394983
gotta thank whoever had the foresight to make this screencap

Anonymous No. 16394999

>>16394951
>they genuinely thought it was a techbro pipedream.
It's a strange disconnect almost as Falcon was already rather successful at the time. The explanation may be that most EDS sufferers simply don't follow rocket development closely and didn't fully appreciate the significance of Falcon let alone what Starship would mean.
>they're very very afraid
ULA/Arianespace are afraid as they should be. It's the random EDS sufferers that are puzzling as they don't seem to realize the thing that they're afraid of is a charicature of a man that only exists in their head as a series of twitter posts.

Anonymous No. 16395000

>>16394999
>they don't seem to realize the thing that they're afraid of is a caricature of a man that only exists in their head as a series of twitter posts.
Many such cases these days

Anonymous No. 16395002

>>16394767
t. punchable face guy

Anonymous No. 16395004

>>16394999
TBF starship is the most ambitious rocket ever and a radical departure from a lot of established design philosophies. falcon being successful didn't guarantee a 33 engined steel VTVL SHLV would be feasible to design and build.

Anonymous No. 16395005

>>16394796
kekt

Anonymous No. 16395009

>>16394999
>The explanation may be that most EDS sufferers simply don't follow rocket development closely and didn't fully appreciate the significance of Falcon let alone what Starship would mean.
This is a large part of it, yeah. Anyone who follows rocketry enough to see what Falcon has done is impressed. They are only upset or frightened if they have stake in a competitor.

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>>16394999
The average EDS sufferer is not aware of anything in spaceflight whatsoever. You get people posting on twitter about how spacex has never flown a single successful mission. When they say it's a "vanity project", or "billionaire toys" they mean it literally, a lot of them are not aware spacex has flown anything to space.

xkcd being as cringe as it is, people need to remember this comic when talking about spaceflight. The average normie thinks the shuttle is still flying and they think it goes to the moon.

Anonymous No. 16395018

>>16394043
nice
>soft landing
lmao

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>>16395015
>The average normie thinks the shuttle is still flying and they think it goes to the moon.
Fuck you for being right

Anonymous No. 16395023

>>16395018
It did land softly, we saw it. It just also exploded after

Anonymous No. 16395027

>>16395022
I enjoy telling them Obama canceled the shuttles and they're museum pieces now. I get to see them become racist in real time.

Anonymous No. 16395030

>>16395018
landed softly, tipped over because it;s in the water, explodes because the top of the booster just made a 70 meter drop into the ocean at full speed.
i fell trees for a living and there's a lot of momentum going into things that tall tipping over, big trees, often need some cushioning in the place you're going to aim them because the fall could shatter the wood's structure and ruin it's value. a hollow tank like the booster would obviously rupture easily even on contact with water at those speed.

Anonymous No. 16395032

>>16395027
didn't bush cancel the shuttles in such a way that they would keep flying until the next president was in office?

Anonymous No. 16395034

>>16395030
imagine a martian redwood tipping over during a storm, that shit would be crazy, it would splinter and send shrapnel into anyone standing near the fall.

Anonymous No. 16395035

>>16395032
Who cares we live in the age of gaslighting, just lie to make your enemies seem even more crooked

Anonymous No. 16395036

>>16394783
lmao

Anonymous No. 16395037

>>16395032
No, Congress was trying to shut it down in real time. They had to fight for STS-135 funding.

Anonymous No. 16395045

>>16395027
Obama radicalized me at age 12 when he did that. I was just discovering an interest in spaceflight and he refocused NASA to the weather. Spaceflight was looking like a blip in history. Oh well, he inadvertently kicked off Mars colonization so it's fine

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Anonymous No. 16395050

>>16395032
Yes, but
>>16395035
this. Also /sfg/ hates it but I was excited for Constellation back then, having that axed burned me more than the Shuttle ending since there seemed to be no plan as to what to do next.

Anonymous No. 16395054

>>16395004
>>16395009
Yeah and for those who do appreciate what Starship is the EDS is largely performative. A strange form of tribal signaling perpetuated by the media because not only is it good for ratings, it serves their political ends. Sociologists will study the TDS/EDS phenomenon centuries from now but I remind myself in an ideal timeline they will have died out as a profession.

>>16395000
Checked. From my view Trump stoked it a bit early on as part of his original election gambit but has since dialed it back yet the symptoms persist. Elon on the other hand has only begun to embrace as part of his morph from tech bro to Bond villain.

Anonymous No. 16395058

>>16394926
Newfag

Anonymous No. 16395082

>>16395027
>>16395037
I was anti shuttle by then but my first memories of spaceflight were my dad telling me about what happened to Challenger and the names of the other orbiters and how Endeavor came to be as a result of that. Then sometime later listening to an AM radio broadcast of Discovery launching while we were driving and him explaining the throttle back for max-Q and then hearing the callout for throttle up. It seemed really awesome and stuck with me more than any launch I ever watched on TV for some reason but then again it was the only game in town at the time. Also memories of him explaining how insanely expensive it was and why the turnaround times were so slow which was why we only got a few launches per year.

Anonymous No. 16395084

>>16395082
Shuttle is magical if you don't know any better. My first launch was on a fat 8" CRT in Big Ed's Chicken Pit. By that point it was mundane to the adults but I was entranced, despite the entire thing being filtered through a couple years of dust embedded in a couple years of frying grease ten feet in the air

Anonymous No. 16395089

It's bizarre to me how many people are desperately trying to downplay this, or trying to blame the FAA over the fact that SpaceX blatantly broke the law. Discourse of spaceflight on this website is irreparably broken, with this many anti-government dipshits polluting everything.

Anonymous No. 16395091

>>16394983
glancing through seems like the type of criticism hasn't really changed, they even use similar language, its just that the goalposts have moved now

Anonymous No. 16395094

>>16395089
Downplay what? The fines? Do you really want (you)s this badly?

Anonymous No. 16395095

>law
Chevron deference isn't law. It has almost no equivalence in the rest of the world, but the usual "european model" suspects will never tell you that.

Anonymous No. 16395099

>>16395095
Hey bud, looks like you forgot to reply to me there. I specifically posted that for attention (positive or negative) so not replying to me is a dick move

Anonymous No. 16395101

>>16395091
Starship will only be used for Starlink.
and HLS
and a handful of commercial payloads (not that many tho I swear)
it will DEFINITELY never go to mars (with people)(enough times to build a city)

Anonymous No. 16395105

>>16394556
>>16394559
>>16394561
Russian next-gen ICBM, undergoing very troubled development (five of six test launches have failed)

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Anonymous No. 16395108

>>16395089
>>16395095
>T-2 hour poll
>tank farms

Anonymous No. 16395111

>>16395101
It's going to be very funny to have people bear witness to the most significant human achievement since the first thrown rock and realize they were the bad guy

Anonymous No. 16395115

>>16395089
>anti-government dipshits
Only genuine retards love the government.

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>>16394577

Anonymous No. 16395118

>>16395105
>next-gen ICBM
>NTO-rich staged NTO/UDMH combustion
nani the fuck

Anonymous No. 16395120

>>16395111
They will pivot to claim that its a waste of money and spending it here would solve all our problems and meanwhile that highspeed rail line in CA will still not be finished and have cost many times more than Starship development + dozens Mars launches.

Anonymous No. 16395125

>>16395058
you've been around since 2009 right?

Anonymous No. 16395128

Anybody else getting problems with captcha?
My addblocker is having conflicts with captcha.

Anonymous No. 16395133

>>16395089
go troll somewhere else

Anonymous No. 16395134

>>16395120
Ironically I would trust Elon more than the government to do HSR properly.

Anonymous No. 16395135

>>16395134
he's busy enough as it is. we need a modern railroad baron. someone like musk who isn't him

Anonymous No. 16395136

>>16395128
Everything vomits with the captcha. I have computers I literally can't use on 4chan at all because of the captcha. The solution is to cuck or cave in your head with a ball-peen hammer.

Anonymous No. 16395138

>>16395136
>>16395128
ublock origin works fine

Anonymous No. 16395140

>>16395138
i'm using ublock origins, on firefox.

Anonymous No. 16395141

>>16395089
Ayo fuck King George the third

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Anonymous No. 16395142

>>16395140
>>16395138
try chrome on linux

(RMS admitted he has never installed GNU/Linux btw)

Anonymous No. 16395147

>>16395142
chrome sux

Anonymous No. 16395151

>>16395128
They're having mighty battles with people trying to automate spam using ML-augmented captcha solvers. The site admins have been losing. The current version uses session cookies to decide how botlike you are, so if you're blocking those it will keep the captcha from going through.

Anonymous No. 16395160

>>16395151
God damn trolls and shills fucking up things for everybody as always.

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Anonymous No. 16395161

https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1838291115168141654

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Anonymous No. 16395162

>>16395161
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1838291157312241694

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Anonymous No. 16395164

https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1838238701886849183

Anonymous No. 16395166

>>16395142
no thanks, i'll stick with firefox on linux for now.
probably switching browsers again soon though.

Anonymous No. 16395170

>>16395161
What an ugly beast they've found

Anonymous No. 16395171

>>16395161
bill nelson understands the score, he knows oldspace is unsalvageable at this point even if he was once a champion of it, he knows spacex is the future and he knows all the people who tried to fight spacex's mars ambitions after they succeed will be forever seen as pariah's in history.
he might be a snake but he made his strategic side switch at the right time, without being too obvious about it, in a way i sort of admire that.

Anonymous No. 16395173

>>16395161
based ballast bill?!

Anonymous No. 16395176

>>16395173
seems to be kind of a mixed bag but I don't think I've ever heard him shit talk SpaceX or Musk

Anonymous No. 16395179

>>16395176
he did in the past, he's proven himself flexible enough to sail the changing tides and isn't really pro-oldspace anymore, though he does his best to not arouse suspicions.

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Anonymous No. 16395182

https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1838303630547653015

Anonymous No. 16395184

I would be possed at spacex sometimes if I was bill. Starship and Artemis aint going well, but luckily anything falcon is a golden ticket and Nelson doesnt care much about Artemis so its ok that starship is late and underpoerforming

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Anonymous No. 16395185

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhJRzQsLZGg

seems like it was just a partial tanking test

Anonymous No. 16395186

>>16395182
*52 years

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Anonymous No. 16395190

>>16395161
Holy shit ballast bill redemption arc is certainly in full effect LFG

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Anonymous No. 16395192

https://x.com/johnkrausphotos/status/1838310712378007671

noog len static fire

Anonymous No. 16395193

>>16395192
vid soon I hope

Anonymous No. 16395201

I didn't realize Angry Astronaut was also an EDS sufferer. He's such a huge faggot in his latest video it's unwatchable.

Anonymous No. 16395203

>>16395142
>chrome
>on linux
You seem to misunderstand the philosophy.

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Anonymous No. 16395209

>>16395201
Always was. Guys with a space following need to be subtle, like Scott Manley. But yeah, look at his videos, oldspace and aliens. He's a classic boomer

Anonymous No. 16395210

>>16395203
my philosophy is that I like having a usable dev environment and an OS that isn't bloated garbage

Anonymous No. 16395212

>>16395210
>spies on you
>usable

Anonymous No. 16395215

lets face it, we'd be against spacex too if the elon was a degen pushing far left ideology

Anonymous No. 16395220

>>16395215
not SpaceX but probably elon

Anonymous No. 16395221

>>16395215
no I wouldn't

Anonymous No. 16395223

>>16395209
IF "ELON" THINKS HE CAN BREAK THE RULES HE HAS ANOTHER THING COMING. I WORKED FOR BOEING FOR 19 YEARS AND THEY ALWAYS PLAYED FAIR. THESE "SPACE CADETS" WILL NEED TO LEARN HOW THINGS ARE DONE
-RON
Sent from my Kindle Fire

Anonymous No. 16395225

>>16395215
If he was pushing far left ideology, then he still would be working at PayPal today.

Anonymous No. 16395226

>>16395221
leftist elon: mars will be black, muslim, and lgbtqa+. good luck getting a ticket, white "people".

Anonymous No. 16395227

>>16395215
Speak for yourself faggot

Anonymous No. 16395229

>>16395223
>Ron Johnson, Chattanooga Falls Tennessee, USMC 1993-1994, "Democracy Dies in Darkness"

Anonymous No. 16395230

>>16395209
He's also jewish.

Anonymous No. 16395232

>>16395226
I don't think the colony would actually succeed with that very long, but in the mean time SpaceX would be making access to space very cheap which is good (assuming this DEI shit didn't affect SpaceX too and thus make it less effective as an organization)
so in a sense this isn't really compatible with what SpaceX is now, it and all Musks companies are very big on merit
so this pushing of a degen left ideology would have to be separated from the running of the companies in actual fact and I think would have to be separated from starting a colony too

Anonymous No. 16395236

Elon Musk is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy.

Anonymous No. 16395239

When is blue ghost launching

Anonymous No. 16395242

https://x.com/jimstep260853/status/1837499524190781946

Anonymous No. 16395243

>>16395215
no, because if he was pushing far left ideology i wouldn't have to worry about his companies succeeding, they succeed the because they hire on merit, unlike many of their competitors today, with that merit and their cultural drive for colonization instead replaced with white guilt and DEI hires, i don't think they would've even gotten falcon 9 re-use working.

Anonymous No. 16395244

>>16395210
So you're happy with BSD, then?

Anonymous No. 16395246

>>16395242
you would have posted a screenshot if whats behind that link was worth reading.

Anonymous No. 16395248

>>16395246
its a chubby faggot with severe EDS whining how Musk is a scam

Anonymous No. 16395249

>>16395209
I should become a space youtuber, this guy is so untalented and stupid its unreal. yet hes grown a big ish following because space youtube is so starved of talent.

Anonymous No. 16395251

>>16395089
The FAA should be dismantled completely

Anonymous No. 16395255

>>16395244
debian with xfce at the moment
it's not perfect but the driver support is good and I have unused RAM and idle cores

Anonymous No. 16395257

>>16395210
>chrome
>not bloated garbage

Anonymous No. 16395258

>>16395257
chrome isn't my OS

Anonymous No. 16395262

>>16395215
I would probably become far left troon if Elon did

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Anonymous No. 16395265

>>16394983
>New Glenn is actually the most likely of the three to fly

Anonymous No. 16395267

>>16395255
Xfce is so boring; you might as well use twm at that point.
I used gnome for years but the bloat got unbearable.

These days I just hop around to different distros and DEs every now and then.

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Anonymous No. 16395268

Why is IFT-5 once again suborbital?

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Anonymous No. 16395269

https://x.com/blueorigin/status/1838323920795021593

Anonymous No. 16395270

>>16395268
Because Starlink is doing just fine on F9 and Starship is no longer required for Starlink profitability

Anonymous No. 16395273

>>16395268
catch testing doesn't require going to orbit and getting the catch right is now the most critical issue

Anonymous No. 16395274

>>16395249
I've considered it but every time I say an "s" I whistle. Then again there's Issac Arthur

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Anonymous No. 16395279

>>16395215
If Elon supported far-left policies then he wouldn't be a billionaire entrepreneur.

Although I don't think Elon is actually as based as a lot of posters here claim he is. I still like him but someone who was genuinely racist like EDS sufferers try to make him out to be probably wouldn't be giving internet to every brown and black third-worlder for dirt cheap. Also he hires a lot of pajeets and is pro-Israel.
If he really was capitalist von Braun then he would be putting Rods From Gods into orbit above shithole countries instead of Starlink and would be more open to Ukrainians enacting TZD with Starlink.

Anonymous No. 16395282

>>16395273
But Ship could get to orbit and deliver Starlinks.

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Anonymous No. 16395284

>>16395269

Anonymous No. 16395285

>>16395268
There's no benefit to full orbital for testing purposes and going suborbital means you know where the debris will go if you have to use the FTS

🗑️ Anonymous No. 16395287

>>16395274
You can do it. set up a good high pass filter and you will be good. As long as its not earape people dont mind a speech impediment, its actually endearing.

Anonymous No. 16395289

>>16395282
that introduces extra complexity i.e. slows things down

Anonymous No. 16395293

>>16395289
They also must do propellant transfer for HLS contract. Ship could do a lot of stuff in orbit.

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Anonymous No. 16395294

>>16395287
>its actually endearing

Anonymous No. 16395296

>>16395293
it will, but after they get the booster catch working
at that point they don't expend 33 engines every single test launch

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Anonymous No. 16395303

>>16394627
>viable commercial use cases for space?

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Anonymous No. 16395306

>>16395303
>how involved is Musk with SpaceX?

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Anonymous No. 16395309

>>16395306
>does Musks outspokenness about politics affect SpaceX?

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Anonymous No. 16395312

>>16395309
Berger thinks the uncrewed starships to mars in 2 years is very unlikely

Anonymous No. 16395315

>>16395279
he's fine with ukrainians enacting TZD with his satellites, he just doesn't want it to be starlink satellites.
that's the whole reason why starshield exists, of course.

Anonymous No. 16395321

>>16395312
>berger thinks starship hls will happen in 2026
lol. its already NET 2027.

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Anonymous No. 16395323

>>16395312
SpaceX is already working on the crew quarters for Starship and Berger has some idea about what Polaris 2 will be about but can't share them yet

Anonymous No. 16395327

>>16395312
unlikely is the understatement of the century.

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Anonymous No. 16395329

>>16395323
Berger doesn't think the FAA slowdowns are due to overtly political reasons

Anonymous No. 16395332

>>16395329
doesn't think is the understatement of the century.

Anonymous No. 16395334

>>16395312
lmao at berger baselining Artemis 3 in 2027.

Anonymous No. 16395335

>>16395329
>"the FAA arent holding spacex back due to politics" *cites nearly 20 year old example*
hmmmmmmmmmmmmm

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Anonymous No. 16395338

>>16395329
but he thinks the FAA issues are going to get worse before they get better
fuck

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Anonymous No. 16395339

>>16395335
GAO warned us a year ago. Let's be real, NASA isn't trustworthy with their timelines.

Anonymous No. 16395343

>>16395338
you guys need to learn to read between the lines.
this is what he actually meant to say:
>gets uglier for four more years before it gets better

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Anonymous No. 16395344

>>16395338
Berger doesn't think Starship HLS will be the long pole of Artemis 3

Anonymous No. 16395347

>>16395279
>would be more open to his main source of income being used as a weapon against a space capable military
This is not politics

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Anonymous No. 16395350

>>16395344
only 50% chance of a private space station in LEO by 2030

Anonymous No. 16395351

>>16395344
So basically Starship HLS readiness in 2027 but not the long pole? Sounds like Artemis III in 2028...

Anonymous No. 16395352

>>16395350
damn. axiom must be fucked.

Anonymous No. 16395353

>>16395350
VAST is going up next year though? even if its hella late its still a station before 2030.

Anonymous No. 16395354

>>16395329
He's wrong

Anonymous No. 16395355

>>16395351
>Artemis III in 2028
My personal guess is Artemis II in 2029 or later. The only way this changes is if the mission architecture is changed by executive order if you know what I mean

Anonymous No. 16395357

>>16395355
>II
???
they can make 2 happen just by changing the reentry trajectory. it doesn't need anything that isn't built.

Anonymous No. 16395359

>>16395353
VAST Haven is effectively useless for NASA's requirements.

Anonymous No. 16395362

>>16395353
well he did word it "in 2030", not by 2030
so technically if Haven-1 launches and is deorbited before 2030 and Vast does not launch the subsequent station in 2030, then that assertion would still be correct
as far as I understand it Haven-1 is supposed to be deorbited in just a year or two, 4 commercial astronauts missions or something and the deorbit

Anonymous No. 16395365

>>16395357
or make it uncrewed as well

Anonymous No. 16395366

>>16395357
>changing the reentry trajectory
The skip? You think they're going to risk heat cycling while they still aren't sure why it failed? Not a chance.

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>>16395269
https://x.com/davill/status/1838327604795052535

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>>16395368

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Anonymous No. 16395372

https://x.com/TrevorMahlmann/status/1838314821357355075

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https://x.com/TrevorMahlmann/status/1838332451413774392

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Anonymous No. 16395383

>Propellant load test and preflight checkouts complete ahead of Flight 5

https://x.com/SpaceX/status/1838339364600057951

Anonymous No. 16395384

>>16395383
>he's actually going to launch anyway and dare them to do anything about it
October surprise!

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Anonymous No. 16395385

>>16393207
rocket fuel is a psyop

Anonymous No. 16395386

>>16395329
Hanlon's razor
Don't attribute to malice when incompetence is an explanation

Anonymous No. 16395387

>>16395385
post CAD files or stfu

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>>16395383

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>>16395388

Anonymous No. 16395393

>>16395385
real ufos run on tape

Anonymous No. 16395394

>>16395384
the only way this is worthwhile to do would be to put a candidate inside a dragon inside the starship, and let the candidate stream while in orbit.

Anonymous No. 16395395

>>16393207
>>16395387
http://www.rexresearch.com/paispatents/paispatents.html

Anonymous No. 16395404

>>16395385
that was venus

Anonymous No. 16395405

Some other notes from Berger's AMA that weren't posted, summed up

>Retropropulsive crew dragon was "quite far along", sticking to it would have certainly delayed Crew Demo beyond 2020, it's Kathy Lueders who convinced elon to kill that idea
>F9 S2 was "looked into", decided against (implication is that it was never as serious as the above point)
>"I know there is a general recognition that the US government should try to be nimble on the regulatory side with new space companies "
>To date, Musk's political opinion has not led to serious churn in SpaceX's employee base
>Musk had directed SpaceX to build 40 F9 core a year before reuse became operational
>$15 Million for F9 cost is "reasonable estimate"
>Didn't hear of any issue with hot staging ring on IFT 4 (re: environmental review)
>Didn't hear about SpaceX making its own (I guess formal) astronaut corps
>Knows about cause of recent landing failure, can't talk, it's not a major issue.
>Shotwell and Musk have a very good relationship

Anonymous No. 16395411

>>16393508
Yeah, it's good to be ambitious, but they should be internal company goals rather than constantly making an ass out of yourself in public.

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Anonymous No. 16395412

>>16395383
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1838339608825774417

Anonymous No. 16395415

>>16395411
making them public brings more pressure

Anonymous No. 16395417

>>16395405
good summaries, didn't post the sceenshots of all of them because some were a bit low info/already known/boring but you summarized the best parts

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Anonymous No. 16395422

https://x.com/Andercot/status/1838341983011770749

Anonymous No. 16395423

>>16394609
so you're going to pay your factory workers

>>16394724
based forestry anon
I know what you mean.

Stay safe out there, don't forget to check the top before you cut.

>>16395082
I can remember Columbia being sad.
Was too young to realize it at the time, but that was the beginning of the end for shuttle program.
Goddamn foam.

Anonymous No. 16395426

>>16395329
don't care what a reporter "believes" though ofc a redditard would

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>>16394783
Appreciate the caption

Anonymous No. 16395438

>>16395422
people really need to read a history book before they run their mouths

Anonymous No. 16395439

>>16395422
how does it avoid all of the obvious problems of a space gun?
- extreme atmospheric drag
- still need a rocket second stage
- extreme acceleration means you can only send inert payloads
- rocket second stage is now retarded because of the above

Anonymous No. 16395441

>>16395422
even worse idea than spinlaunch, which is impressive

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Anonymous No. 16395443

>>16395215
Flying big rockets is literally the only thing that matters.

Anonymous No. 16395445

>>16395386
Hanlon's razor is "when incompetence is sufficient." Incompetence is always an option, but malice becomes a factor when incompetence is not enough to explain it.

Anonymous No. 16395447

>>16395443
I love how comfy his office looks

Anonymous No. 16395449

>>16395435
who's that guy?

Anonymous No. 16395450

>>16395447
It has been pointed out many times, but I love how he had them cut out and raise part of his ceiling to fit his Saturn V model.

Anonymous No. 16395452

>>16395449
Some Austrian (the one with pretzels, not kangaroos). He's most notable for being one of the first great patrons of rocketry. He invested a lot of money into von Braun's rocket program.

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Anonymous No. 16395456

>>16395452
I didn't even know they had a space program

Anonymous No. 16395457

>>16395443
when you modify the ceiling of your office to fit a larger model rocket on the display stand

Anonymous No. 16395458

What if the regulatory obstruction and lawfare weren't at the direction of any political interest, but because Jeffo started frantically offering outlandish bribes to everyone he could reach so that New Glenn would have a chance?
This is not a serious suggestion but it made me laugh.

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Anonymous No. 16395464

>>16395456
Almost did

Anonymous No. 16395465

>>16395339
Not a big deal considering Artemis II might seriously be delayed to 2026 lmfao.
You can’t be mad at HLS being some sort of “limiting factor” when the downselection was made in the middle of 2021! This meant either ALPACA, the original shitty natty team lander, or Starship was expected to START work from scratch that year and be ready… soon? That’s so unrealistic. And congress was mad that the decision was made by an interim administration (thank you Lueders and Jurczyk) and said they should have waited EVEN LONGER until a new administration was installed to choose a lander.
Half the reason SS was chosen was the fact that it was already independently being worked on and NASA didn’t have to pray to God that a lander could somehow be started and ready to go with limited funding in four or five years. That simply wasn’t going to happen with ALPACA or Blue Origin. So yeah no complaining about lunar Starship being late, the alternatives would have been twice as far behind with Artemis III tentatively schedule in the early 2030s right now

Anonymous No. 16395467

>>16395456
They specialized in point-to-point rocket delivery of packages to Britain.

Anonymous No. 16395473

weve seen the americanand russian space shuttle, what would a 3rd reich space shuttle look like? also for fun what would a brit empire one look like

Anonymous No. 16395477

>>16395443
These are the models they used to fake the Apollo program

Anonymous No. 16395480

>>16395467
The V-2 really is the father of all rockets. US and Russia both flew them in the post-war period, developing them directly into Redstone and R-2 (which eventually culminated in the R-7 aka Soyuz), respectively. The USSR licensed the R-2 to China which formed their Dongfeng missiles, which turned into the Long March family. France, meanwhile, used V2 to iterate into the Véronique sounding rocket which became Diamant which became the Ariane rocket family with collaborative support from across Europe. All have direct lineage it’s insane.

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Anonymous No. 16395483

>>16395480
Thank you, Germany

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Anonymous No. 16395484

>>16395473

Anonymous No. 16395485

>>16395473
It'd be interesting to see what the infrastructure for a British Empire worldwide spaceplane program would look like. Launch and landing facilities on all continents would be an interesting challenge to have enough dV to maneuver the craft wherever desired.

Anonymous No. 16395486

>>16395473
>Germany
Saturn inline shuttle
>Britain
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-5rzzOZW1E

Anonymous No. 16395495

>>16395422
worthy competitor for arca and spinlaunch in the retard olympics

Anonymous No. 16395498

>>16395495
kek

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Anonymous No. 16395500

https://x.com/longshotspace/status/1838316947081170991?s=46&t=ySaWSLoZU6lwZ7u03-FcBQ

>We’re excited to be coming out of stealth mode to announce $8M in new funding to build a giant cannon that can launch raw materials needed for the orbital economy. We just secured a $2M Air Force contract and hit Mach 4.6 with our latest gas gun.

Anonymous No. 16395501

Is it pure coincidence that during murrica hours this general is filled with /pol/tards and children?

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Anonymous No. 16395502

>>16395485

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Anonymous No. 16395504

How's that Starship Flight 5 going guys? Too bad your dude didn't back the correct future President, you might have caught a few boosters by now.

Anonymous No. 16395507

>>16395089
redit

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Anonymous No. 16395508

>>16395422

Anonymous No. 16395509

>>16395502
>For queen and solar system

Anonymous No. 16395512

>>16395089
People are blaming the FAA for fucking up progress on the government's own moon program. They're literally wasting taxpayer money.

Anonymous No. 16395514

>>16395504
You don't need to exist.

Anonymous No. 16395517

>>16395089
>SpaceX blatantly broke the law
Regulations are not laws.

Anonymous No. 16395519

>>16395386
Series of coincidences are a pattern. Inability or unwillingness to connect the dot is a problem.

Anonymous No. 16395521

>>16395101
>Mars' air is now breathable but it smells like ozone MUSK LIED AGAIN

Anonymous No. 16395525

>>16395386
Other way around.

Anonymous No. 16395526

>>16395439
Its engineering challenge. Not an absolute physics barrier. So answer lies in smart trade offs

Anonymous No. 16395528

>>16395486
>Saturn inline shuttle
so youre basically saying germany would absolutely dominate and make all other countires look retarded?

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Anonymous No. 16395529

>>16394753

Anonymous No. 16395535

>>16395526
okay, but why would you do that?
you get some chunk of garbage going significantly faster than orbital velocity and then bleed off energy and mass literally like a meteor
then you end up still needing to put the remaining chunk of garbage in a circular orbit or it will come back, burning up the rest of the garbage and kinetic energy on reentry

it's also physically possible to punch yourself in the face, but people that do that get put in mental hospitals

Anonymous No. 16395538

>>16394796
>en ik hoop dat dat de
lmao

Anonymous No. 16395540

>>16395405
>Shotwell and Musk have a very good relationship
yjk

Anonymous No. 16395541

>>16395535
Smart people working on problems in groups will figure it out. If the solution was that easy, then it would already be widespread.

Anonymous No. 16395542

>>16395439
It doesn't. The purpose of this project is to scam money from the government (the bureaucrats authorizing contracts are retards.)

Anonymous No. 16395545

>>16395540
nah, Elon impregnates women as casually as most men shake hands
if there was anything going on she'd have quadruplets with unpronounceable names by now

Anonymous No. 16395546

>>16395422
There are like 50 companies you can make related to Mars colonization but these faggots keep making new ways to get shit to space. Even if the market wasn't saturated you aren't going to find anything missed in the 60s

Anonymous No. 16395547

>>16395545
>>16395540
Their children are rockets.

Anonymous No. 16395548

>>16395541
>it's physically possible, so it's just an engineering problem
>smart people will be working on it
by similar reasoning, eating a log of shit is just an engineering problem and smart investors are putting money into coprophagia startups

Anonymous No. 16395549

>>16395540
She’s married, but her and Elon obviously share some sort of deep business bond. She’s ride-or-die. She’s been there since the beginning and people have tried to buy her out (I believe Bezos offered her some exuberant offer to go to Blue Origin, which she denied).
She found her niche at SX and idk if she’s obsessed with Mars, or if she just simply likes running a tight ship and finds comfort at SpaceX—but damn she’s good at what she does.

Anonymous No. 16395550

>>16395517
The Clean Water Act, which they broke, is, however.

Anonymous No. 16395551

>>16395545
He genuinely loves her, she's more than a breeding sow to him.

Anonymous No. 16395552

How Will We Get to Mars?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_dO8_SkseQ

Anonymous No. 16395553

>>16395550
yawn

Anonymous No. 16395554

>>16395547
Very true unironically

Anonymous No. 16395555

>>16395552
damn why do chuds in /sfg/ shill this kyplanet guy so much?

Anonymous No. 16395556

>>16395549
shes clearly in love with musk. i bet whe she gets boned by her husband she thinks of musk.

Anonymous No. 16395557

>>16395555
it’s just one guy (trans female) who keeps posting his own channel (he should buy a self-serve ad!)

Anonymous No. 16395558

>>16395548
Again, you're dumb.

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Anonymous No. 16395559

https://x.com/blueorigin/status/1838366663684616582

Anonymous No. 16395560

>>16395552
Nonsense ignores reality of SpaceX in favor of fantasy

Anonymous No. 16395561

>>16395556
Don’t speak ill of mommy shotwell you cretin

Anonymous No. 16395563

>>16395558
and yet you're the one who thinks people will use space guns
curious!

Anonymous No. 16395564

I like how no one gives a shit about the BO hot firings kek. Fuck you Bozos, fuck you Limpy

Anonymous No. 16395565

>>16395161
Based administrator senator administrator Crypt Keeper

Anonymous No. 16395566

>>16395563
There are multiple companies with real money chasing it that think they have the engineering solution. You are retarded.

Anonymous No. 16395568

>>16395500
>Mach 4.6
So they're 3% of the way to space kek

Anonymous No. 16395569

>>16395566
Just because SpaceX made some kind of Faustian bargain doesn't mean QI is real and you can just spin / chuck shit to space, that asteroid mining is currently economical, and whatever the fuck else random space startups are doing is actually a good idea and founded on correct thinking.

Anonymous No. 16395570

>>16395215
I was fully under the impression that he was a lefty up until he started talking openly about politics a few years ago, I was still a space x fan back then.

Anonymous No. 16395571

>>16395422
good to see that mr. lk-99 himself is still going at it

Anonymous No. 16395572

>>16395570
Yup I second this.
The right wing political posting was actually a surprise to me when it started. And while based, it’s annoying more than anything kek.
I don’t disagree with him but he’s in his redpill honeymoon phase and he can’t shut the fuck up due to his tism

Anonymous No. 16395575

>>16395566
I don't even need to go ad hominem. Your argument is that both that no one is doing it because it's too hard and that it must be possible because everyone is doing it.
You haven't addressed any of the technical challenges at all other than to imply that venture capitalists couldn't possibly be wrong.

Again, even if it is possible it's a horrible idea. Did you know that occasionally products fail horribly and shouldn't have been created in the first place?

Just think how great SLS must be, given how much money is being spent on it!

Anonymous No. 16395576

>>16395540
maybe during the Kwajalein days
>Gwynne in a bikini

Anonymous No. 16395578

>>16395540
I unironically ship them

Anonymous No. 16395579

>>16395566
How many times has anyone launched anything to space with a gun?

Anonymous No. 16395581

>>16395579
Define “gun.” A nuclear blast may or may not have sent a pothole into heliocentric orbit (very unlikely but there’s still a small probability)

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Anonymous No. 16395582

>>16395581
>a pothole

Anonymous No. 16395583

>>16395570
>>16395572
He's talked about it before, it's just that nobody ever listens to what he says. He thinks about Tesla, SpaceX, etc. like they're is own children, and not in the "I love this company like my own son" way, in a literal, autistic, he loves them like his own children way. Covid restrictions almost sunk Tesla, and Dem lawmakers didn't care, and Elon is now on a multi-year rage spiral because he thinks Democrats literally and not metaphorically tried to murder one of his literal and not metaphorical children.
I don't have a source, just obsessively watch every interview Elon does and you'll also be able to piece it together. He was a techbro lib or whatever you want to call the bay area socially liberal fiscally conservative YC flavored group up until 2019/2020.

Anonymous No. 16395584

>>16395559
remind me again why everyone worships spacex and sleeps on the company who literally invented drone ship reusability.

Anonymous No. 16395585

>>16395581
if the manhole cover did reach escape velocity it would have been vaporized, so that's a pretty good example of how dumb the space gun idea is

Anonymous No. 16395586

>>16395584
theyre muskrats. don't listen to them. they don't care about space, only their idol.

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Anonymous No. 16395587

>>16395584
Because SpaceX has been to orbit.

Anonymous No. 16395590

>>16395584
BO landed on a drone ship?

Anonymous No. 16395591

>>16395584
>prior to Blue Origin all ocean going vessels were single-use and disposable
fascinating!

Anonymous No. 16395594

>>16395575
Those who are in the arena are the only ones that matter. Those that are working on the problem are the only one relevant. If they see a path, there may be a path forward. If there is money, then there maybe a path forward to their engineering details.

Anonymous No. 16395596

>>16395590
No they didn't. They tried to patent the idea of rocket landing on ship though. It's so infamous that they were and still are constantly laughed at for that clown move. >>16395584 was a shitpost and >>16395586 fell for it.

Anonymous No. 16395597

>>16395594
>Those that are working on the problem are the only one relevant.
And are you working on it?

Anonymous No. 16395598

All Beck had to do was ask Elon for advice and basically just make a ~8-13T to LEO mini Starship, expendable upper stage

Anonymous No. 16395600

>>16395597
Did I say I was working? I said there are multiple engineering companies working on the problem.

Anonymous No. 16395601

>>16395600
So your opinion is worthless by your own admission. Now fuck off.

Anonymous No. 16395604

>>16395601
No, the opinions of ones working on the project are the only ones that matter.

Anonymous No. 16395606

>>16395604
I see why VC scams work now kek
>the engineers are working magic I don't understand, but they're working on it so it must be real
>here have $15 million dollars

Anonymous No. 16395607

>>16395606
You should make those $15M

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Anonymous No. 16395609

can't they just do picrel but with fish to get the launch license faster? it worked at vandenberg

Anonymous No. 16395610

>>16395606
it's a constructive proof of the existence of retards with money

Anonymous No. 16395613

>>16395609
Neuralink the local octopus and dolphins and get their verbal approval

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Anonymous No. 16395615

5 starships to mars won't happen in 2026 for sure.
They would need like 50 flights a year by then for that to happen and they are struggling with the HLS timeline as is.

I think maybe if everything goes right they can send one in that window, but even that seems a bit unlikely.

Anonymous No. 16395616

>>16395607
I'm working on it, but for the same reason VC scams work, pitching something boring with a high likelihood of success doesn't. Try making a startup that isn't space related right now

Anonymous No. 16395617

>>16395526
designing a device to feed you cow shit is also an just an engineering challenge, doesn't mean you should do it

Anonymous No. 16395620

>>16395615
>itoddler
opinion discarded

Anonymous No. 16395623

>>16395598
you think musk would give beck good advice?
you must be naive

Anonymous No. 16395624

>>16395615
fuck off EDS chill

Anonymous No. 16395626

>>16395615
what a hideous language.

Anonymous No. 16395629

>>16395615
Didn't read your post. Anyways, when do you think they are gonna send the first Dutch person to Mars? I believe the first mission is gonna be 100% American, all Spacex and Starship engineers, crucial for setting up the propellant plant, while in the second one NASA and ESA might hitch a ride.

Anonymous No. 16395631

>>16395629
A dutchman on mars would look out the starship window upon landing, notice the lack of gay ass bicycles, and simply die.

Anonymous No. 16395632

>>16395629
>Anyways, when do you think they are gonna send the first Dutch person to Mars?
Shortly before they build the first Martian zoo.

Anonymous No. 16395633

>>16395631
you just gave me an idea: mountain biking on olympus mons

Anonymous No. 16395639

To the anon like a week or two ago asking about a planet such as Jupiter falling too close to its star and having its gas stripped away leaving only metallic hydrogen, look up papers on Chthonian planets.
The term is “photevaporation” and basically what’s left is a super strange, dense core. Oddly enough it’s mainly just hypothetical and there isn’t much quantitative data on confirmed examples meaning it is either very rare for a large planet to survive such extreme inner orbits, or it’s just harder to identify planets existing that close to their host stars.

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Anonymous No. 16395649

Jielong 3 launch in 40 minutes or so, the launch is sponsored by CBD, a furniture company currently advertising electric couches on its stream.

Anonymous No. 16395650

>>16395639
surely the core would lose its exotic state when its no longer under the pressure of the gas layer?

Anonymous No. 16395651

>>16395649
link to stream?

Anonymous No. 16395652

>>16395650
Yeah the discussion in the old thread was whether or not it would be conductive to keeping it in a metallic hydrogen state assuming it was metastable and the stripping of the outer layers was fast enough. It’s likely not the case, at least that’s my personal belief. It would be slow decompression and the hydrogen would either melt back into metallic fluid / sublimate into gas again; or just convert to solid hydrogen V and/or IV

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Anonymous No. 16395653

>>16395651
Here's a better amateur stream
https://live.douyin.com/902995313666

The official stream is picrel
https://live.douyin.com/154548667309

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Anonymous No. 16395654

>>16395649
>Great enterprise starts with a dream, bases on innovation, and achieves with actual work

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Anonymous No. 16395661

>>16395653
And I think this is the "official" stream from CASC/Chinarocket, not that it's any better
https://live.douyin.com/80017709309

Anonymous No. 16395663

is Clear streaming?

Anonymous No. 16395665

>>16395412
Do you think if elon asked nicki minaj to film a music video at stage zero she would do it? We're not flying so...

Anonymous No. 16395667

>>16393219

Mars 26 with Starship is impossible. Please stop pretending it isn't.

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Anonymous No. 16395669

>>16395667
It would have been possible without the FAA

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Anonymous No. 16395670

Rockot went up

Anonymous No. 16395671

>>16395309
I wonder if shotwell will retire when the achievements just get better and better. How could you duck out of spacex before moon and mars landings?

Anonymous No. 16395672

>>16395661
Picture in picture solves it.

Anonymous No. 16395673

>>16395670
>french
I am disgust
>熊猫点外卖
I am intrigue

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Anonymous No. 16395676

>website paused stream to give a popup during liftoff
KILL YOURSELF CHINKS

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Anonymous No. 16395677

>>16395673
>熊猫点外卖

Anonymous No. 16395678

>>16395215
It would sting, a lot

The thing is, technological progress has to align with social progress to some exist. It feels dumb to say don't advance technology until we solve unrelated problems, but sometimes that's obviously true, like with all seeing all knowing surveillance tech. Anyway I see left ideology as regressive and something I would be ashamed of if it went to space. And somehow I don't think it would be as cool as the nazis making it into space. Concerning, but not humiliating. But a drag queen on the moon is where I burn it all down.

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Anonymous No. 16395679

It lifted off
It didn't seem like it exploded while being in view.

Anonymous No. 16395681

>>16395670
Le français sera la deuxième langue la plus parlée sur Mars, mon ami.
>>16395669
Unironically this, all the paperwork and licensing thing from the FAA and friends amounted to more than 1 year of delay so far.

Anonymous No. 16395683

>>16395678
>And somehow I don't think it would be as cool as the nazis making it into space.
we already saw it happen with the soviets
their shitty ideology eventually destroyed them, but it very nearly took the rest of the world along for the ride.

Anonymous No. 16395684

>>16395669

Spacex Mars 2026 requires an impossible number of engineering development, depot and propellant launches to occur before the 2026 launch window. It was never going to happen, FAA or no FAA.

Anonymous No. 16395685

>>16395684
its doable

Anonymous No. 16395687

>>16395649
>electric couches
Like electric chairs, but for the whole family?

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Anonymous No. 16395694

>>16395676
best I could get
fuck tiktok

Anonymous No. 16395695

>>16395688
太棒了,中国加油!

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Anonymous No. 16395696

I believe in Elon for his 2026 uncrewed Mars launch missions, if the FAA would actually let him test and iterate. I do think 2028 is a bit too soon for human missions to Mars, however, because even if Starship is human-ready by then, there's still so much more work that would have to be done for human habitation on Mars beyond the initial 5 test Starships predicted for 2026. But even if the uncrewed mission is delayed by another launch window, I would still be impressed. For a while I was so blackpilled on the future of spaceflight that I think Martian colonization wouldn't be started until late 2030s at the soonest, so seeing the possible timeline moved up to late 2020s or early 2030s because of Starship is whitepilling.

Anonymous No. 16395697

>>16395685

>its doable!

No. Mars 2026 would require a fully operational Starship on a two week launch cadence for scores of flights. There is zero chance Starship can do that in 2026.

Anonymous No. 16395699

>>16395697
They would already be on a two week cadence without regulators

Anonymous No. 16395700

>>16395694
Thanks anon.

Anonymous No. 16395703

>>16395697
going to mars is no longer a technical problem
it's up to the politicians now

Anonymous No. 16395706

>>16395699
Current OLM can't support 2 week cadence, actually

Anonymous No. 16395707

>>16395694
>only the last 15 seconds have the actual launch
Cripes.

Anonymous No. 16395708

>>16395707
Yeah, the stream paused itself to give a popup to suggest downloading a .exe.

Anonymous No. 16395709

>>16395697
it's really not that hard

Anonymous No. 16395711

Invoking known science, spaceflight being limited to our Solar System alone might not be such a bad thing when you think about it. Earth is the most important place in the universe, followed by Sol and our moon. Everything should be done in service of preserving the Solar System for as long as possible, assuming genetic entropy isn't a thing either and humans get to live that long.

That being said, any good hard-scifi books about interstellar spaceflight?

Anonymous No. 16395714

>>16395703
>going to mars is no longer a technical problem
If you want to be really pedantic, it wasn't a technical problem either even in the days of the Apollo missions. Saturn V was designed to be a Mars rocket first.

Anonymous No. 16395715

>>16395711
I've heard Hail Mary by the same guy who wrote the martian is pretty good, it does play a bit loose with one of it's plot macguffins though.

Anonymous No. 16395716

>>16395699

No. Especially no if you run the numbers for what's needed for that launch window. Double no if you've actually have worked in engineering R+D and know how things operate in the real world.

Mars 2026 was never possible. Don't point the finger at the FAA for that.

Anonymous No. 16395717

>it would take a gorillion years to figure out how to refuel starships!
Yeah, no. The only hard part left is the chopstick landing. Once they figure it out the rest is easy as fuck, presuming the FAA approval for Starship Block 2 and Block 3 doesn't take 6 months each

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Anonymous No. 16395719

When in doubt, always refer to picrel. If anyone is going to land on Mars, it's going to be SpaceX, might be 2 or 4 years later, who cares. Better than NASA, pockocmoc or ESA. If it were for them, there will no Mars trip within this century, or maybe ever at all.

Anonymous No. 16395720

>>16395715
I'd recommend if you're really starving for scifi but Andy Weir really shows his faults in that one. Every character is the same redditor
>>16395711
>any good hard-scifi books about interstellar spaceflight?
Alastair Reynolds' Revelation Space is good but a bit handwavey with the ships. Light lag, trip times, relativistic effects and concerns, and philosophical implications are all very well conveyed. Author worked with ESA and is an astrophysics PhD

Anonymous No. 16395721

>>16395720
>Every character is the same redditor
I wish science fiction didn't get watered down to characters who's only personalities are vague pop culture references and absurd fanaticism about science

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Anonymous No. 16395724

>>16395578
*starship

Anonymous No. 16395726

>>16395550
No court has ruled on that, only the FAA making wild accusations and acting outside its purview.

Anonymous No. 16395729

>>16395724
that kaarl is very lucky

Anonymous No. 16395730

>>16395650
>>16395639
The paper I read proposed that the metallic hydrogen would dissipate, but rocky core of such a planet would remain in a fucked up compressed state, only relaxing over millions of years. So the minerals would be in states that formed under extreme pressure but are metastable at ambient pressure.
So you find an unacceptably dense planet close to its star, that could be a Cthonian planet.

Anonymous No. 16395732

>>16395089
>anti-government dipshits polluting everything
Boot polish is not supposed to be this large of a percentage of your diet

Anonymous No. 16395733

>>16395717
>ship landing/catch
>easy

Anonymous No. 16395734

>>16395720
>Alastair Reynolds' Revelation Space
kek just listened to IA mentioning this one in a video I was listening to as I was reading this post

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>>16395732
You have four months.

Anonymous No. 16395743

>>16395716
>if you've actually have worked in engineering R+D
I do
>and know how things operate in the real world
I guess I do then

stop being a faggot

Anonymous No. 16395744

>>16395720
>Author worked with ESA
yeah, a lot of his fiction is extremely gay

Anonymous No. 16395751

>>16393472
>EDS
Echlers Syndrome?

Anonymous No. 16395754

>>16395721
What's worse is that the "science" is usually wrong anyway so what's the point. Genre literature was a mistake.

Anonymous No. 16395775

>>16395665
During a static fire test

Anonymous No. 16395777

Reentry is out

Anonymous No. 16395780

>>16395733
Can you actually not read?

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Anonymous No. 16395784

>>16395711
I'll never stop recommending Phase Space by Stephen Baxter. It's a collection of short stories, many of which involve alternate timelines of Apollo or Mars landings. And the future-fantasy ones are still quite hard.
Many of them tie in to this other books but that's not necessary to read them. This was the first of his books that I read and I found it great.

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Anonymous No. 16395812

It's out!

Anonymous No. 16395814

>>16395812
post the .pdf or buy an ad

Anonymous No. 16395819

>>16395814

Go be a thief elsewhere.

Anonymous No. 16395820

>>16395819
You are on the correct website, maybe you haven't looked very deeply?
>>>/t/

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Anonymous No. 16395823

I've had the time of my life
And I owe it all to you

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Anonymous No. 16395826

If he only knew one day he would be the world's second most hated man.

Anonymous No. 16395833

>>16395826
probably the most loved/revered too

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Anonymous No. 16395835

Petulant child.

Anonymous No. 16395841

>>16395835
he's just like me fr but instead of chewing out government officials when launches get scrubbed i just throw a tantrum on /sfg/

Anonymous No. 16395844

>>16395835
>gets angry at government official for launch delay
could be any one of us

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Anonymous No. 16395845

>>16395835
>>16395844
I understand his frustration

Anonymous No. 16395847

>>16395835
Musk just needs to tard wrangle Trump and its going to be a start of the golden age of spaceflight

Anonymous No. 16395853

>>16395835
Everyone was pissed that day,I remember

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Anonymous No. 16395859

Based Ballast

Anonymous No. 16395864

>>16395853
If I remember correctly, there was a tornado warning in the vicinity, and the sky was purple.
To not understand why it was scrubbed is not difficult, people were pissed because of the hype, then disappointment, but weather like that is blameless

Anonymous No. 16395865

>>16395859
Given that he's an old party dog, I wonder what he feels about the way his party is moving towards. Whether he's a classic liberal like Musk and rejects the current political propaganda.

Anonymous No. 16395868

I watched the interview and am kinda fond of the gas gun guys.
The CTO seems real sharp.
It is not a "light-gas gun". Doesn't seem to be easily googleable how fast you can get something going by just blasting compressed hydrogen at a tail wedge.
Most gas guns use combustion.

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Anonymous No. 16395872

>>16395864
Hey Elon, Trump is watching.
Go for launch?

Anonymous No. 16395873

>>16395865
He will retired in a few months, so he does't feel constraint by politically.

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Anonymous No. 16395875

https://x.com/sherwiebp/status/1838353617025155445

Anonymous No. 16395877

>>16395279
Yeah, he's concerningly pro-government at times.

Anonymous No. 16395878

>>16395812
my hardcover copy arrives on friday. Shan't be reading spoilers til then

Anonymous No. 16395879

>>16395383
What would genuinely happen if they just launched?

Anonymous No. 16395882

>>16395615
Looks like funnily written Swedish. Reads like that too.

Anonymous No. 16395888

we gotta stop building space stations that are only meant to last for a decade or two. businesses can't work off of such short timelines.

Anonymous No. 16395890

>>16395386
staffing departments full of DEI so they become nonfunctional is actual malice BTW

Anonymous No. 16395901

>>16395835
We were all furious

Anonymous No. 16395908

Took a break. What sn number is the OFT-5? Also hopwen?

Anonymous No. 16395911

>>16395879
The FAA would throw the biggest hissy fit and SpaceX would probably get fined and court orders to not launch again until the whole FAA business is sorted out.

Anonymous No. 16395913

>>16395908
*wenhop

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Anonymous No. 16395914

>>16395913

Anonymous No. 16395915

>>16395911
>>16395879
The USG would ground SpaceX indefinitely, use the military to halt operations, and nationalize the company.

Anonymous No. 16395916

>>16395908
S30/B12
launch NET end of November, FAA needs to consult FWS about fish for 60 days (though infinitely renewable)

Anonymous No. 16395918

>>16395916
what's the point of the recent pad rollout / dog and pony show?

Anonymous No. 16395920

>>16395879
>>16395911
If that gives them idea he's a truly deranged rocket man that would do everything for the cause then it's possible he gets Markusiced out of fear of him giving secrets / defecting to China.
The deep state does mainly care about national security not political allegiances.

Anonymous No. 16395921

>>16395879
FAA would shit and fart, and Space Force would assume direct control and sideline FAA

Anonymous No. 16395923

>>16395918
nothing better to do

Anonymous No. 16395924

wen starship v2 launch

Anonymous No. 16395930

>>16395916
>>16395918
It might actually not be that long. SpaceX has lots of experience dealing with government types and Elons increased rightoidism is genuinely getting him favors from senators and others who would have some sway

Anonymous No. 16395933

>>16395924
The next next next one I believe.
S34 is V2 and I think after S31 they skip to it.

Anonymous No. 16395934

>>16395924
there's only one v1 left after flight 5 so probably feb-april 2025

Anonymous No. 16395938

>>16395913
Get out.
>>16395916
November is ridiculous

Anonymous No. 16395942

>>16395938
The hot staging ring might a like a dolphin or some whale or something dude
Don't those live in the ocean as well?
Can't just drop shit in there willy nilly

Anonymous No. 16395943

>>16395938
thats what SpaceX and FAA have both said

Anonymous No. 16395945

>>16395938
It's legally refer to as wenhop in the FAA license, sorry

Anonymous No. 16395949

>>16395942
Whales can read the NOTAMs. They all have internet now.

🗑️ Anonymous No. 16395962

Enron Seethe Chud (born June 28, 1971) is a businessman and investor and not an engineer

Anonymous No. 16395979

>>16395945
Get out newfag

Anonymous No. 16396018

>>16395979
You just outed yourself as a newfag, oof

Anonymous No. 16396023

>>16395918
Shame maybe, if that's something possible for those types to feel. Or at least pressure.
>>16395412
>!!
one more and we just GAAN

Anonymous No. 16396037

>>16396018
Get out

Anonymous No. 16396038

>>16395777
Was an excellent read. Not as tightly written as Liftoff, but nice to see deeper into something that we've already followed.

Anonymous No. 16396048

>>16396038
how long was it?

Anonymous No. 16396054

>>16396048
Calibre says 113k words. Took me just over 4 hours to read through @ ~440 wpm

Anonymous No. 16396058

>>16395847
Exactly this.

Anonymous No. 16396060

>>16395823
Jurveshtein is a flirt with jailbait poon tang. Very disrespectful and gross!

Anonymous No. 16396061

>>16396037
Fight me, I'm on the Discord rn

Anonymous No. 16396063

Does anyone have the gif of krystal fox getting anal fucked on tv while zubrin watches smiling

Anonymous No. 16396064

>>16396063
I think you must have dreamed this.

Anonymous No. 16396067

>>16396063
It's a webm.

Anonymous No. 16396083

>>16393446
>one death
>regulators shut it down

Anonymous No. 16396086

>>16394143
The space force are so vocal about wanting a nuclear thermal rocket so they can “quickly change orbits” around the Earth-Moon system or whatever…
I don’t understand why they don’t just have the authority to say
>yeah fuck the normie regulation
and just build a project orion battleship. Talk about quick response; they could go from lunar orbit to mars orbit on a whim just because they felt like it. It would be the ultimate “policing the inner solar system” pax americana deterrent. And it would be based as hell

Anonymous No. 16396089

>>16396086
Even elon isn’t autistic enough to put this idea in 45’s ear. Kek if Bezos was really based he’d approach Trump for a lucrative contract to build an orion ship.
Call it New Clear lmfao

Anonymous No. 16396092

>>16396089
call it new hiroshima

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Anonymous No. 16396101

lol saw this yesterday but it was too retarded to post here, seems to have gone a bit viral

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Anonymous No. 16396102

>>16396101
https://x.com/Austen/status/1838466894019391563

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Anonymous No. 16396104

>>16396102
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1838529961818279963

Anonymous No. 16396105

>>16396104
lel

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Anonymous No. 16396108

https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1838529276292841640

Anonymous No. 16396109

Were they told that they'll be approved for launch very soon?

Anonymous No. 16396110

>>16396109
no, they were told it would take two months

Anonymous No. 16396111

>>16396110
Clearly something changed.

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Anonymous No. 16396112

>>16396102
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1838532377204731995

Anonymous No. 16396116

>>16396111
yes, they decided they needed to consult the fish and wildlife service about the impact of a hot stage ring falling on some fish even though they didn't need to do that for the first time the ring was jettisoned
now when the drop location moves slightly closer to land, they need a 60 day consultation
they also consult FWS for 60 days about the sonic booms from landing (which have already been studied previously but for some reason they feel the need to do this again)

Anonymous No. 16396117

>>16396109
"very soon" could be anything since gov agencies have guaranteed red tape (even people in commercial aviation rant about outdated bullshit still being included in trainings and seminars)

Anonymous No. 16396119

>>16396116
>>16396117
old news thx

Anonymous No. 16396120

>>16396119
okay then, nothing changed

Anonymous No. 16396140

>>16395500
STOP
BUILDING
LAUNCHERS

we need payloads instead

Anonymous No. 16396141

>>16396063
>anal
gross

Anonymous No. 16396146

>>16395552
/sfg/ will not refute this video
(Hint: they can't)

Anonymous No. 16396148

>>16395508
This! A man too far ahead of his time for his own good.

Anonymous No. 16396157

>>16396140
That's what I'm saying

Anonymous No. 16396161

>>16396146
If it's kyplanet he probably says something about moon mining (which we've already discussed the economic infeasibility of) and sending some Leo constructed station like ship instead of just a Starship (retarded). How'd I do?

Anonymous No. 16396168

>>16396161
I don't know, I never watched the video.

Anonymous No. 16396178

>>16395711
Flight of the Dragonfly (or Rocheworld) (interstellar laser sail)

Anonymous No. 16396182

>>16395835
>>16395864
>oldmanyellsatcloud.jpg

Anonymous No. 16396183

>>16396060
I can taste the jealousy

Anonymous No. 16396191

>>16396182
Elon also spergs out and yells at people in a childish tantrum rage, sometimes without cause, and guess what?
It works. You are a clinical imbecile if you think this method doesn't get results, like it or not. It works for Elon, and it worked for Trump. Just look at the loyal followers this earns. We need more Chads in charge.
Although, Elon isn't stupid enough to blame his team for a scrub of the very first Crew Dragon during a fucking tornado warning. He is actually extremely committed to crew safety, but still prefers absolute Chads in his craft, like Issacman and the Polaris Dawn crew. Risk goes with the territory, but no retard would launch into a supercell thunderstorm. Except Trump, perhaps. NASA is a huge pussy, but still, the scrub was 100% called for.

Anonymous No. 16396214

>>16396054
>440WPM
It's not a race, brother.

Anonymous No. 16396217

STAGE FUCKWADS.

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Anonymous No. 16396218

>>16396214
isn't that a pretty standard speed
the actual superfast readers are at 1000 wpm

Anonymous No. 16396221

>>16396217
not page 10 yet

Anonymous No. 16396226

>>16396218
I didn't measure my speed, but if I read too fast, I forget what was 2 lines above.

Anonymous No. 16396230

>>16396218
lel, once on a test of reading speed the passage was from a book I'd already read, so I just immediately said "I'm done"

Anonymous No. 16396232

>>16395814
you can get the ebook via mobilism, heres one of their download links: https://www.zippyshare.day/Ms6T5ZaLIl58uCb/file

Anonymous No. 16396235

>>16395812
why do people give a shit what this random journo says?

Anonymous No. 16396237

>>16396232
how do you read epubs? they always look like shit when I convert to PDF

Anonymous No. 16396238

>>16396237
Kindle

Anonymous No. 16396239

>>16396235
It's not his opinion that's interesting, but that he was gone out and talked to the people who have inside knowledge

Anonymous No. 16396240

>>16396239
has*

Anonymous No. 16396241

>>16396237
use an ebook reader. fuck kindle, on pc use calibre on phone use readera. there are probably better alternatives that i am not aware of

Anonymous No. 16396243

>>16396237
>how do you read epubs?
terminal: "bk"
desktop GUI: Thorium
mobile: Librera (F-Droid build)

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Anonymous No. 16396256

>>16396237
>>16396241
I just used Calibre to convert to PDF, and looks excellent to me so far.
>>16396232
Thank you anon, much appreciated.

Anonymous No. 16396259

>>16396256
if youre not reading ebooks on your phone youre missing out. pdf is like reading screenshots and ebook is like reading html, where you can adjust everything from font and size to color scheme to your preferences. i always read ebooks on my phone when i am commuting

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Anonymous No. 16396262

I don't own a smartphone.

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Anonymous No. 16396268

>>16396259
Phones are too small for me to focus on, my old eyes love a 2K/1440P 27" PC monitor, in a properly lit room, perfect eye to display spacing, with Mein Kampfy Chair.
My reading nirvana, your preferences may vary.

Anonymous No. 16396277

>some retard made a new thread already
Can you faggots go three days without splitting

Anonymous No. 16396278

>>16396277
you already know the answer to this

Anonymous No. 16396279

>>16396277
sure we can, this thread has been up for 3 days

Anonymous No. 16396280

>>16396278
it's either krystalfag or the /pol/vermin, or the schizo that posted scat a while back.

Anonymous No. 16396281

>>16396277
Not linked, page 9, not real /sfg/

Anonymous No. 16396285

once we hit page 10 someone make a new thread.

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Anonymous No. 16396288

Reminder that shit like this is out there bros

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Anonymous No. 16396293

https://x.com/CSI_Starbase/status/1838594075387392258

Anonymous No. 16396294

Reminder to review the latest Perseverance images on this forum www.unmannedspaceflight.com/index.php?showtopic=8817&st=15

Anonymous No. 16396295

Staging
>>16396292
>>16396292
>>16396292

>>16396292
>>16396292
>>16396292

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>>16396293

Anonymous No. 16396299

>>16396295
good stage, was about to stage myself but figured i'd check the catalogue one last time.

Anonymous No. 16396689

>>16396063
yeah, idek why, but yeah
>>16396141
so true

Anonymous No. 16396701

>>16396101
The same people claiming that Elon can't do it are the same ones pushing to increase regulations and claiming Musk should be stopped. Their apparent brain is rotten