Anonymous at Tue, 8 Oct 2024 23:07:24 UTC No. 16416544

I highly doubt this would work on someone who does not have ADHD as ADHD is a brain abnormality significant enough to be detectable by brain scans

If you want to raise your IQ train yourself on the mind palace technique or Dual N-Back or both

Anonymous at Tue, 8 Oct 2024 23:08:44 UTC No. 16416546

>>16416535
It don’t work for anyone including those diagnosed ADHD

The stims are basically using up your reserve energy when you don’t need it to induce euphoria, aphrodisia. They may initially make you abit more compliant albeit at the expense of greater judgement, though, it all goes out the window when you discover gooning. If it does by chance enhance your abilities in a particular situation, that is unfortunate memory you’ll use to justify keep coming back to reward the psychiatrist whom poisoned you.

Anonymous at Tue, 8 Oct 2024 23:09:46 UTC No. 16416547

>>16416544
This. If you haven’t paid $800 out of pocket to be labeled, you aren’t justified to take it

Anonymous at Tue, 8 Oct 2024 23:26:51 UTC No. 16416562

>>16416535
It seems more likely that the medication reduces the impact of their ADHD symptoms, allowing them to achieve (approximately) the test results they'd obtain if they didn't have ADHD at all.

Anonymous at Wed, 9 Oct 2024 03:54:25 UTC No. 16416863

>>16416544
80% of people who are diagnosed with ADHD do not have ADHD.
Source: my asshole, but you know it's true.

Anonymous at Wed, 9 Oct 2024 03:59:42 UTC No. 16416871

>>16416863
source: the guy that knows nothing about ADHD and gets all his information from 4chan

Anonymous at Wed, 9 Oct 2024 14:23:16 UTC No. 16417516

>>16416871

Yeah, pretty disappointed with the responses... I thought someone will come with some cool paper or other stuff but only stupid answers.

Anonymous at Wed, 9 Oct 2024 14:38:41 UTC No. 16417534

>>16416535
>n=87

A study has to have at least 1000 < n for it to be any fucking good.

Anonymous at Wed, 9 Oct 2024 16:05:11 UTC No. 16417646

>>16417516
Because no one has properly studied "ADHD" because it's not a consistent "disorder"

Anonymous at Wed, 9 Oct 2024 17:01:52 UTC No. 16417741

>>16416871
There are no brain scans for ADHD, brain scans aren't used to diagnose ADHD and believing that brain scans can be reliably associated with ADHD is mistaking correlation for causality. Ignoring for once that most of these "brain study papers" have poor methodology and heavily tend to "clean" their data.
>>16416535
>I often read about drugs like ritalin increase the IQ of a person.
No, they don't. For once, no such association has ever been found by an independent study. Second, there is no good reason to assume that getting your nervous system high on amphetamines or methylphenidates (which breaks down neuronal communication) would improve scores on a test meant to gauge, among other things, nervous system functioning.
>Did you know this work for people who doesn't have adhd?
Since we have no reliable way to physiologically distinguish people with ADHD from those without, with the diagnosis itself little more than a random list of traits, behavior and issues that you may have (but don't have to), this question can't actually be answered. But since "ADHD people" already don't react positively to Ritalin and no clear physiological difference (as of now) exists between them and "normal people", there is no reason to believe that normal people would stand ot profit from it either.

Anonymous at Wed, 9 Oct 2024 18:48:18 UTC No. 16417954

>>16416535
i do believe that CNS stimulants can superficially increase IQ, but truly only if it is something "for you". for one thing, getting tested for ADHD is a joke; i was taken to a room where i was told to hit a button, and presumably if you hit it more than once, too often, or not correlated with the exercise enough, you'd be labeled ADHD. the only reason i ended up seeing a doctor about it (when i was 18) was due to my best friend being prescribed vyvanse, i got to try it off of him. over time, i came to understand that he was perscribed when he was around 12-13; my partner who i met within a month of being prescribed adderall was also perscribed it at around the same age, and both of these people ended up trying to kill themselves only a few years after initially being prescribed. now, i've been on adderall for around 6 years and i'm worried the most about being taken off it? it's enough that i can't get up in the morning without it, but i am beginning to experience the side effects a bit more intensely than i have before (getting too hot, no longer able to take it on an empty stomach without feeling like vomiting, and my body, jaw, and back tensing up), but i cannot decide if it is worth it to get off of the medicine, because it enables me to do what i'd like to do, and also helps me cope with the depression i experience much better than any other medicine i've tried, and also provides advantages i otherwise wouldn't have (such as being able to handle cold weather comfortably, a significantly higher reaction time, much higher drive to get a job done and take care of myself); but, it prevents me from being able to see my partner more (i cannot get it sent to me across a border, or acquire it in another country, and i am limited to 30 pills). there are so many advantages and disavantages i have no idea what to do, and i would appreciate it if someone who's gotten off of these meds before could give me a suggestion of what to do.

Anonymous at Wed, 9 Oct 2024 18:50:55 UTC No. 16417959

Yeah, stimulants just help me think how I used to before I developed the disorder, so I wouldn’t say it increases IQ for everyone, since, anecdotal as it may be, I know plenty of shitheads are just more confident in the retarded shit they say while on them.

Anonymous at Wed, 9 Oct 2024 18:53:21 UTC No. 16417967

>>16417959
That said, it just helps me stay interested, focused, and able to think through things clearly instead of just haphazardly operating all the time.

Anonymous at Wed, 9 Oct 2024 21:06:37 UTC No. 16418188

>>16417959
>before I developed the disorder
Its not supposed to be some shit you pick up later on in life. Its supposed to be an actual issue with how your brain functions, and it starts during development, your childhood.

Its fucking crazy to me as someone with tourettes that theres a disorder within the same category thats literally just used to drug people. And then people grow up their entire life and finally go "oh maybe I suddenly have a neurodevelopmental disorder?", No you literally do not.

You dont have anything besides an addiction to being a lazy fucking retard looking for an excuse to take drugs. And Im all for that as long as you can just admit it and quit playing pretend like you know what its actually like to have mental disorder since you were a toddler.

Anonymous at Thu, 10 Oct 2024 00:04:40 UTC No. 16418372

>>16418188
admitting they just want drugs isn't the problem though. People with "ADHD" and "ADD" and whatnot don't just want drugs, they want to feel like there's this solid, isolated and treatable explanation for their failures that gives them an excuse to not feel guilt for said failures (or their general ineptitude). They have no concept of responsibility or work ethic so they assume everyone else is just magically "wired differently" which explains all of it away. Many of them struggle with insecurities about their general intelligence too, which once you factor the aforementioned traits of these individuals makes complete sense: suffering from a genuine developmental disorder that you can section off and treat as a disease is far more comforting and less personally indicting than simply being a lazy, low iq idiot. Idiots get far less sympathy and patience by society in general. An idiot gets mocked and discarded, an otherwise competent person heroically battling a mental disorder is respected and appreciated. ADHD is literally just "im a lazy idiot please stop being mean about it :("

Anonymous at Thu, 10 Oct 2024 10:44:13 UTC No. 16418977

bump

Anonymous at Fri, 11 Oct 2024 16:16:02 UTC No. 16421156

>>16418372
>ADHD is literally just "im a lazy idiot please stop being mean about it :("
quite the opposite, if you're actually putting effort into trying to treat it (stimulants mostly, but there are other things)

adhdfags have spent their entire life trying to man up and build a work ethic the normal way and it led to nowhere beyond normies just shitting on them for being unable to have any impulse control
when you fail at the same thing repeatedly, you try something else.

every self aware adhdfag are the ones who spend all their time on self improvement and burn out on that shit. stimulants were 10 times better for my executive functioning than all the other shit i've tried

Anonymous at Fri, 11 Oct 2024 17:55:50 UTC No. 16421296

Just drink coffee and stop being a lazy faggot that browses 4chan all day you idiots. I bet you can play video games for 8 hours uninterrupted.

Anonymous at Fri, 11 Oct 2024 18:21:50 UTC No. 16421352

>>16421156
You didnt even read that post. There is no diagnostic tools for "ADHD".

For now, all "ADHD" is, is people whining to a nurse practitioner about being a lazy fuck to get drugs and excuse their shitty behaviors.

Thats it. You do not have a neurodevelopmental disorder.

Anonymous at Fri, 11 Oct 2024 18:42:41 UTC No. 16421386

>>16421296
>Just drink coffee and stop being a lazy faggot that browses 4chan all day you idiots.
26 years of trying to stop being a lazy faggot and discipline myself did fuck all compared to getting a vyvanse prescription
also avoiding coffee has been better for me

>>16421352
>For now, all "ADHD" is, is people whining to a nurse practitioner about being a lazy fuck to get drugs and excuse their shitty behaviors.
well, the drugs work. doesn't matter why or how it does

if you want to call people a lazy fuck and then tell them they're defective people because your shit tier normie advice doesn't work for them, by all means, do it.
but amphetamines have literally fixed my life faster than years of trying to eat better, lift better, and discipline myself (all of which have become easier on amphetamines anyways)

Anonymous at Fri, 11 Oct 2024 18:53:18 UTC No. 16421438

>>16418188
>and it starts during development, your childhood.
i almost failed out of elementary school and got put into special ed

Anonymous at Fri, 11 Oct 2024 19:04:18 UTC No. 16421479

>>16421386
>if you want to call people a lazy fuck and then tell them they're defective people because your shit tier normie advice doesn't work for them, by all means, do it.
>but amphetamines have literally fixed my life faster than years of trying to eat better, lift better, and discipline myself (all of which have become easier on amphetamines anyways)

Again, reread these posts because youre not talking about the same thing as us.
>>16418188
>>16418372
I dont fucking care that drugs work. Thats sooo fucking EPIC for you dood.
See how this whole conversation is just about drugs to you?

The point is that its literally not a real disease and literally doesnt have any diagnosis criteria.

So now we have all these morons like you just claiming they have ADHD because speed works the way its intended for the last 70 years, and 1 nurse practitioner told you that you have it after a completely rhetorical conversation.

Im not offering any advice and I am not a normie by any means. I actually have Tourettes and Ocd since before I could even talk, real developmental disorders. We are not the same.

Anonymous at Fri, 11 Oct 2024 19:16:00 UTC No. 16421488

>>16421479
>So now we have all these morons like you just claiming they have ADHD because speed works the way its intended for the last 70 years,
to be fair, many of them are brainwashed into believing this stuff at a very young age by the medical authorities around them

not saying it's an excuse for such delusions into adulthood and through the rest of their lives but still

Anonymous at Fri, 11 Oct 2024 20:12:11 UTC No. 16421586

>>16421479
>See how this whole conversation is just about drugs to you?
yes, i care about fixing the problem, not coming up with quirky labels for myself that don't change anything

>The point is that its literally not a real disease and literally doesnt have any diagnosis criteria.
so you dispute that the dsm 5 diagnostic critieria for adhd as not real symptoms?

>I actually have Tourettes and Ocd since before I could even talk, real developmental disorders. We are not the same.
what age? are you of the opinion that the onset of those can't happen between 5-10? or 10-12?

>and 1 nurse practitioner told you that you have it after a completely rhetorical conversation.
like i said in >>16421438, i got placed into special needs because i wasn't functioning in school at all
this shit has plagued my life since i was a child and it only came crashing down after i became an adult and i didn't have the public school system or parents to bail me out

>inb4 your mom just should have beaten you into not being a lazy fuck
yeah same for your tourettes ass then. beating your kids to make them obedient totally works in the long run

so if you think that me completely fucking up everything in my life since age 9 isn't a real mental issue because i didn't start at 3 instead like you, then we can agree to disagree

raphael at Fri, 11 Oct 2024 21:13:25 UTC No. 16421775

>>16417534
this is wrong on so many levels kek

Anonymous at Sat, 12 Oct 2024 07:33:48 UTC No. 16422487

>>16421586
>so you dispute that the dsm 5 diagnostic critieria for adhd as not real symptoms?
They could be symptoms of multiple different things like being low on certain vitimans or being low blood pressure or just having a chaotic household. Theres been nothing established about the disorder that really suggests it's necessary to take such intense drugs without real some kind of real diagnosis, or more like background check.

>what age? are you of the opinion that the onset of those can't happen between 5-10? or 10-12?

Maybe 3 or 4, I noticed it before I was going to school and my mom was pushing me in a stroller, I had the urge to turn my head to the left and right up against the back of the seat, and rub my chin on my shoulders. I think if you actually had a disorder like these, you'd notice some serious signs before puberty, before 8 or 9.

Honestly I dont doubt people who claim to have ADHD actually have some real executive function/impulsivity issues, especially here. My problem is that you will never know what's actually causing those and the assumptions people have about it make me feel insane.

Its whiney, but from my perspective I just can't stand seeing people claim to have some permanent fuckery in their head and wear it like a badge when they could just be a lazy fuck who doesn't eat enough veggies to get b12, or get their blood pressure pumping, or a number of very plausible things that could easily be solved. And it was never actually tested in the first place. And it's supporting a really horrific industry that's drugging unconcenting children and leaving people with actual permanent disabilities. I don't want to be associated with my issues at all.

>>16421488
I agree with this

Anonymous at Sat, 12 Oct 2024 13:11:50 UTC No. 16422695

>>16422487
>They could be symptoms of multiple different things like being low on certain vitimans or being low blood pressure or just having a chaotic household.
>dude just take more vitamin b12 and exercise more that'll fix you
this is shit tier normie advice, and you're implying they haven't tried that a million times

>I think if you actually had a disorder like these, you'd notice some serious signs before puberty, before 8 or 9.
the average age of onset of tourettes is like 6, we can discredit anyone who shows any symptoms

>Honestly I dont doubt people who claim to have ADHD actually have some real executive function/impulsivity issues, especially here. My problem is that you will never know what's actually causing those and the assumptions people have about it make me feel insane.
again, pushing the "dude just take vitamins and exercise lmao" meme as if adhdfags haven't been trying that their entire life doesn't do jack shit

yes, adhd is overdiagnosed and amphetamines have only gotten easier to get, psychiatry just throws crude drugs at you, and any neurological claims are highly general like "adhdfags just have underdeveloped prefrontal cortexes" or whatever.
all of this is true, my point is we shouldn't discredit the idea there is some non-normie reason someone has executive dysfunction

Anonymous at Sat, 12 Oct 2024 20:27:28 UTC No. 16423512

>>16422695
>this is shit tier normie advice, and you're implying they haven't tried that a million times
>again, pushing the "dude just take vitamins and exercise lmao" meme as if adhdfags haven't been trying that their entire life doesn't do jack shit

You have terrible reading comprehension. I wasnt implying that they should just do this. I also dont think these are the usual suggestions people make.

My point is that you DONT KNOW WHERE ITS FROM. At all, dead end, full stop.

It could be so many things causing these symptoms, that we as a society dont even know about yet.

I think the problem is that theres people like you, who literally just care about solutions and fixing shit as fast as possible, and by any means necessary, without learning anything.

And then theres people like me who actually want to understand then root cause of these issues, in order to find more appropriate solutions.

The thing that makes me mad is when the prior group demands that they know the issue, demands its a permanent problem and that its 100% unsolvable without drugs. Meanwhile theyve tests nothing. Im sure under 30% of people with an ADHD diagnosis actually have some measurable issue with their brain.

Anonymous at Sat, 12 Oct 2024 21:16:46 UTC No. 16423579

>>16423512
>I wasnt implying that they should just do this.
then why even bring it up?

>I also dont think these are the usual suggestions people make.
it absolutely is? what the fuck do you think the usual suggestions are if not generic lifestyle advice retard?

>My point is that you DONT KNOW WHERE ITS FROM. At all, dead end, full stop.
if your sole critieria the ability to very cleanly identify a root cause, if only neuroscience was always that simple
we only have observable symptons and working theories that research suggests there are issues in the brain involving the prefrontal cortex and dopamine regulation

>I think the problem is that theres people like you, who literally just care about solutions and fixing shit as fast as possible, and by any means necessary, without learning anything.
>And then theres people like me who actually want to understand then root cause of these issues, in order to find more appropriate solutions.
i think the problem is you're too autistic to accept partial solutions with partial data

>And then theres people like me who actually want to understand then root cause of these issues, in order to find more appropriate solutions.
what is the root cause of tourettes and ocd, and how does that knowledge help you find a more appropriate solution to your problem?
what are the biological causes of tourettes, and what do you do to solve this?
did you get an mri that confidently suggested there was a problem in your brain? research is being done to try to get there for adhd but we aren't there yet

>Im sure under 30% of people with an ADHD diagnosis actually have some measurable issue with their brain.
imagine insulting my reading comprehension and conveniently ignoring the part where i agree with you that it's overdiagnosed

Anonymous at Sun, 13 Oct 2024 01:47:02 UTC No. 16423935

>>16416871
the gold standard for diagnosing adhd is a multiple choice question they give you in the waiting room. they do not use brain scans for diagnosis lmfao.

source: actually diagnosed with it