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Anonymous No. 16419028

>rocket scientist
>programmer
>climate friendly EV engineer
>neural computing pioneer
>ai investor

yet /sci/ hates him... figures.

Anonymous No. 16419031

>failed video game developer

Anonymous No. 16419036

>>16419031

Never heard that. Info/context?

Anonymous No. 16419043

>>16419036
https://littlebitsofgaming.com/2024/02/16/do-you-remember-when-elon-musk-made-video-games/

Anonymous No. 16419050

>>16419043
> as he is too busy destroying a popular social media platform (while losing a ton of money) and blowing up cars and rockets these days.

What a neutral and unbiased take.

Anonymous No. 16419051

>>16419028
He is not doing EV/ rocket engineering. CEOs focus on business not engineering. Maybe he did some programming while in Paypal but now he is too busy.

Anonymous No. 16419058

>>16419051
He's totally messing with the processes though, optimizing on broader scale. Very hands-on approach, identify bottlenecks, remove them.

Example he talked about: At Tesla, they had a bad bottleneck with battery assembly: the chassis would be inlaid with glass fiber on epoxy, and the process took a lot of time and couldn't be easily automated well, lots of time spent on improving the procedures. So, he asks "What's that mat for? Fire-proofing?" "No, it does nothing for fire-proofing, customer experience people had it put there to stop noise." So he asks the customer experience dept and they say "It does nothing for noise-proofing, it's only for fire-proofing." And so, turns out someone put it in there in design phase and nobody noticed. So he optimized it away.

That's the sort of work he's doing, not just business meetings. Not actual direct science/engineering, but good actual work nevertheless.

Anonymous No. 16419087

>>16419058
finding inefficiencies and fixing communication issues between teams is normal manager stuff

Anonymous No. 16419088

>>16419058
Product feature inconvenient? Get rid of it. What a retarded joke. You consult an engineering team, not some customer appreciation hack. Every single element in. The design phase is matching soecifications nothing is added at random. Wasteful things can find their way in still, but you just consult socumentation to know why.

Anonymous No. 16419092

>>16419028
neural computing pioneer - a big no
programmer -NO, he might have done some programming but not at a professional level. Twitter trolled him for his lack of knowledge in how programming works while he was talking about changing certain stuffs in twitter.

🗑️ Anonymous No. 16419102

>>16419028
>/sci/ is one person
You're addicted to conflict and outrage. Go find a hobby.

Anonymous No. 16419109

>>16419088
yet he is massively successful
maybe you are wrong? ever thought about that?
faggot

Anonymous No. 16419116

>>16419028
he did some basic programming and all of that other shit is retards thinking CEOs actually invent shit for some reason rather than paying other people to.

He's a manage and investor, not science man.

Anonymous No. 16419117

>>16419109
I am not wrong. If their process is ask customer appreciation team about structural elements, they will find their cars failing early and often.

Anonymous No. 16419119

>>16419117
you are demonstrably wrong

Anonymous No. 16419130

>>16419119
Then demonstrate it.

Anonymous No. 16419138

>>16419117
The build quality on Tesla's is notoriously bad.

Anonymous No. 16419139

>>16419088
You have a very "academic" view on how product design is done. Like, the specification is some magical flawless scripture that came from God and has no ambiguities, errors, impossible asks and personal preferences of the authors.

Spoiler: in real life specification is a mess.

Anonymous No. 16419142

>>16419087
Eh, I think you have a rather high opinion about normal managers. Or I think normal managers are a rare breed.

Anonymous No. 16419143

>>16419130
like I said, the successes of Musks companies
all of them have the same philosophy and the engineers talk about it at times (other than Musk himself)

Anonymous No. 16419154

>>16419036
He made a blaster game when he as 12 and sold it to a local arcade for few hundred. Sound, art, programming all him in BASIC.

Then during college he worked at Rocket Games company where he was the embed drivers programmer that wrote controller logic for a 3d game about vacuum tube trains on the moon. Then he worked on at least 2 other games in the same company 1) riding a car around dinosaurs roaming the jungle 2) rocket jockeys game where players control rocket thruster cars and score points in arena against others

The company or the devs later joined in founding lucasarts (Star wars games)

Anonymous No. 16419157

>>16419117
He asked the engineering team first. They said it's a customer appreciation team thing, non-structural, not safety related.

Anonymous No. 16419160

>>16419139
You sound like you dont know how specifications work. They feed into functional rewuirements which drive development of a low cost matching formula of the production. It is discipline.
The other route is much more costly, where elements are repetitively redrawn on the fly with no ninimum working prototype. Make a change and wait for ten thousand failures before smegma analysis is sufficiently powerful enough to diagnose it.

Anonymous No. 16419169

>>16419160
> with no minimum working prototype.

This is where you miss the mark.

Rapid prototyping, quickly evolving design, specifications are more of hint or guideline. Proving stuff experimentally and improving on the fly instead of trying to come up with the perfect result on paper before first test article is made.

Anonymous No. 16419198

>>16419154
https://youtu.be/MLywBJCOK6Q

Anonymous No. 16419202

>>16419028

He did none of those things. He's literally just taking credit of work done by his betters.
The only thing that he can take personal credit for is destroying Twitter (good job and good riddance).

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Anonymous No. 16419901

>>16419028
>yet /sci/ hates him... figures.
Got a challenge for ya...have you EVER heard this guy praise any of his employees, ever, in all but the most general fashion? Have you ever heard him single out an engineer, programmer, team, etc? After the first Super Heavy flight, when most of the Raptors failed and their team rallied to fix the problems by the second flight and get all of them working in concert, did you EVER hear this fucker acknowledge this feat?

He's a fucking dick who takes all the credit for the huge pyramid of people under him. It's okay to take credit for a company you created, but the fucking way this asshole never singles out anyone or even any group of individuals is nauseating. There WILL be a time in the not-so-distant future when all his talent starts draining away when Toyota and VW introduce solid state batteries (Tesla has no such plans) or the rocket market gets to crowded (or just Harris wins the election...NASA's entire budget will go straight to Blue Origin if that happens) and the market cap of the company starts shrinking like a spilled martini. Count on it.

Anonymous No. 16419969

>>16419901
>my da- I mean my boss didn't praise me for doing what I get paid to do
The "trophy" generation, everyone...

Anonymous No. 16419983

>tech bro capatalist
>wealthy
>not smart

No wonder snot nosed little white brats look up to him

Anonymous No. 16419985

>>16419028
>scientist
No
>programmer
No
>engineer
No
>neural computing pioneer
No
>investor
That's the only thing he is.

Anonymous No. 16420024

>>16419058
What a fuckin pissweak argument

Anonymous No. 16420037

>>16419901
>have you ever heard him praise others
Yes. And he's the chief of the company, he makes the decision, its his money invested, he calls the shots on the direction of the company, of the products made, he gets the praises for his success and he gets the hate from seethers like you.

Anonymous No. 16420290

why does nobody grasp the concept of someone being able to know a little bit about engineering and being good at business but still capable of being a dumbass on twitter

Anonymous No. 16420351

>>16419969
>The "trophy" generation
Better than the craven, brown-nosing bootlicker generation, simp.

>>16420037
>Yes
Sauce or it never happened.

Anonymous No. 16420421

>>16420290
He doesn't even make his own Xitter posts, he has a team of hired chuds to do it for him.
He paid $44 billion for Xitter and making it seem like the world's richest man is posting on there drives engagement which in turn increases advertising revenue. He hired chuds to make controversial posts because if he hired some boring 'woke' sissy reddit twats to do it everyone would get sick of it fast and stop paying attention.

Anonymous No. 16420602

>>16419154
my respect for him has skyrocketed and then exploded like his rockets

Anonymous No. 16420640

>>16420290
The answer is millenials missed all of their job and life milestones, and the combination of this with the internet, left them deformed mutants who's only remaining status game is moralistic preening and virtue signaling. They simply can't comprehend that a person like Musk, who must of course be stupid, as he has the 'wrong' opinions, could also be a highly capable executive.

Anonymous No. 16420655

>>16419028
And yet he's buck broken by ai. He will never be a real ai researcher XAI is a meme

Anonymous No. 16420795

>>16420421
It's a single kind of chuddy social media intern in all likelyhood. But he could be doing all the tweeting himself given that he averages around five words per post, although the presentation in his shilling makes me think he probably has an intern doing all the product promotion stuff.
As for the Amerimutt politics content he almost exclusively interacts with massive conservaslop accounts. You do not need a team of experts to retweet "End wokeness", your glazers/affiliates, and influencers all over 100K followers.
His rightward turn could be seen coming from a mile away and was basically inevitable. Personally I think it has to do with a pre-existing fanbase of crypto people and push back from other businesses and government.

Anonymous No. 16421996

>>16419050
it's perfectly accurate
neutrality does not mean hiding warts

Anonymous No. 16422173

>>16421996
>My ass is still bleeding because Twitter is no longer censoring conservative free speech like communist China.

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Anonymous No. 16422281

>>16422173
lol

Anonymous No. 16422388

>>16422173
you're retarded

Anonymous No. 16422412

>>16422173
Ah yes, the mythical censorship of conservatives that is so strong, that whenever I log on to facebook, youtube or twitter, I am always flooded with conservative butthurt of how they are "silenced".

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Anonymous No. 16422426

>climate friendly EV engineer
>doing more damage to the enviroment making the batteries
>also using more carbon fuel to make said batteries then to just make ICE cars and have them burn fuel over their lifetimes
>electrical energy still being generated with carbon fuel

He's digging the grave FASTER!

Anonymous No. 16422579

You will know them by their fruits
>>16419028

Anonymous No. 16422612

>>16419028
>yet /sci/ hates him.
Plenty of us don't.
All animosity directed against Elon can be explained by one party's political totalitarianism. Any objective mind that can rise above such childishness sees a very successful and innovative technologist.

Anonymous No. 16422666

>>16419028
>liar

Anonymous No. 16422762

>>16419058
and then the front fell off

Anonymous No. 16422772

>>16419028
>programmer
No he isn't. When it comes to this he's legit, retarded. That being said, most of his other ventures have turned out to be pretty good. I also like SpaceX.

Anonymous No. 16422963

>>16419028
I bet anything he doesn't even know the inverse square law.

Anonymous No. 16423018

>liberals fall over themselves making fun of him and down playing him.
>Literally doesn't say shit about Bibi Netanyahu, Jeff Bezos, Larry Fink, Jaime Dimond, or Mark Zuckerburg

Anonymous No. 16423027

>>16423018
>keeps sucking Saudi MSB cock, Boeing cock, military industrial complex cock, Exxon cock
>chastises the only billionaire that's trying to save the world.
>Still salty they couldn't short Tesla out of existence. Now American car makers are stuck holding their dick in their hands.

Anonymous No. 16423056

I know some of the guys who used to work with him at Pay Pal. They all thought he was an idiot. One of his 'grand ideas' were to switch their entire backend infrastructure from Linux to Windows because he didn't understand Linux.

Anonymous No. 16423332

>>16423056
Ooh! I want to read about this. Link me to a peer-reviewed source!
Or are you just spreading anecdotes, in which case go back to /bant/.

Anonymous No. 16423405

>>16423332
It's a fairly well know story. Just google it - https://dev.to/francotel/elon-musk-windows-vs-linux-and-his-paypal-firing-56jn

Anonymous No. 16423931

>>16419088
>The design phase is matching soecifications nothing is added at random. Wasteful things can find their way in still, but you just consult socumentation to know why.
lmao this is not software fagvelopment, pretty boy.

Anonymous No. 16423933

>>16423332
that's in his biography too. he admits it was a big source of contention with the workers

Anonymous No. 16429616

>>16419028
>failed social media site owner, can’t even add basic features to his site despite being a “great programmer”
>failed EV maker, can’t even make a fucking truck worth it’s salt
>ai investing when fucking everybody’s doing it

Anonymous No. 16429654

>>16422762
Wasn't it built so the front wouldn't fall off?

Anonymous No. 16429663

>>16419043
lol that opening paragraph. Elon makes these people so salty.

Anonymous No. 16429867

>>16419028
>climate friendly
>climate
Hey have you heard the recent announcement from the American chemical society about density?

Anonymous No. 16429945

>>16419028
Elon can only be failed by jealous pseuds and retards too retarded to understand his brilliance and magnanimity. /sci/ is full of both so it is no wonder.

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Anonymous No. 16430066

>>16422173
Could you explain why Elon Musk censored a journalist at the direction of the Trump campaign?
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/11/us/politics/elon-musk-donald-trump-pennsylvania.html ( https://archive.md/haNkD)
https://www.kenklippenstein.com/p/elon-musk-accepts-defeat

Could you explain why he used "doxing" as a figleaf reason to do so despite polling the userbase on that question and finding they preferred doxing be allowed?
https://www.nydailynews.com/2022/12/16/elon-musk-polls-users-on-when-suspended-journalists-should-be-allowed-back-on-twitter/

Anonymous No. 16430122

>>16419058
And as a result Teslas always catch on fire now.

Anonymous No. 16430282

>>16419087
I wish that was the case lol

Anonymous No. 16430284

>>16423931
Software doesnt work like that outside of the minds of extremely out of touch people

Anonymous No. 16430334

>>16419028
He's not very good at any of those things, he just surrounds himself with people who are.

Anonymous No. 16430368

>>16419901
>to crowded
ESL!

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Anonymous No. 16430478

>>16420421
>hired chuds

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Anonymous No. 16430529

>>16419028
I think he should try to use his trillions to disrupt defence. Im getting tired of paying my Taxes on half a million dollar weapons that cost pennies 30 years ago because politicians are in bed with defence contractors. Use the same model he perfect in aerospace dabbing on Boeing to go after bloated defence contractors.

Anonymous No. 16431558

>>16419051
>focus on business
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e6HPdNBicM8

that reminds me why are commies so obsessed with drawing the average worker into the same realm as the guy who runs the business, takes the risk, has the knowledge
I want to work less not more

or maybe it's just a fancy way of saying raise the wages but don't increase the prizes of goods to pay for it
fantasy economics

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vaVrNZa_Rco

the labour theory of value kind of doesn't make sense when you take downtime into account
like to some degree people are present at work not doing work for various reasons
doesn't that kind of mean that a goods value also must diminish within that timeframe? thats not taken into account
that also means contrary to what it sounds like that a product with downtime is the better product since people don't work at some technocratic conveyer belt nightmare company

so in short if a product has diminished value it's actually better unless of course it can spoil then downtime is a bad thing since it artificially extends the durability of that good
https://youtu.be/nHWvUmlzamo?t=644

also somebody please tell by why UBI is only ever connected to insecure stuff like money and not goods
if inflation happens maybe my chair will only be worth 5 cents anymore but I can still sit on it
you can't sit on money or inflation certificates

Anonymous No. 16431921

Elon’s main skill is he’s a good hype man to get investors even if he never delivers on his promises.

Anonymous No. 16431934

>>16421996
I also browse r/news and can confirm

Anonymous No. 16431959

>>16430066
>The relationship has proved significant in other ways. After a reporter’s publication of hacked Trump campaign information last month, the campaign connected with X to prevent the circulation of links to the material on the platform, according to two people with knowledge of the events. X eventually blocked links to the material and suspended the reporter’s account.

Oh that's how they knew about the parts they weren't there for, "according to sources"

Also foreign election interference is ok if it's iran hacked materials on republicans. But hunter's laptop found at a repair shop that had nothing to do with russia is hacked materials.

Also he's unbanned. There's no evidence that he wasn't banned for just breaking X's TOS. Elon intervened to restore him and he's the bad guy because you're about to lose the election lmao

Anonymous No. 16431974

>>16431921
>even if he never delivers on his promises.

Can you give some examples that you downloaded from other npcs

Anonymous No. 16431994

>>16419087
in my experience managers work really hard to make things less efficient and make communication worse.

Anonymous No. 16432006

>>16431959
>Also foreign election interference is ok if it's iran hacked materials on republicans
Could you explain why the media refused to report on it? https://fair.org/home/vance-dossier-shows-not-all-hacks-are-created-equal/

Anonymous No. 16432023

>>16432006
>If the document had been hacked by some “anonymous”-like hacker group, the news media would be all over it. I’m just not a believer of the news media as an arm of the government, doing its work combating foreign influence. Nor should it be a gatekeeper of what the public should know.

This guy seems to think it's because its sourced from iran. I don't have a reason to disagree. The document doesn't damage vance enough for the stigma of reporting on foreign hacked materials. Especially when so much of the game played these days is accusing the opposition of collaborating with foreign interference.

Anonymous No. 16432028

>>16432006
>>16432023
Also look at this

https://www.msnbc.com/opinion/msnbc-opinion/jd-vance-hacked-dossier-elon-musk-rcna173368

The media is accusing and criticizing elon for censoring the dossier while they confess to "ignoring" it. So do the people need to know about it or not? Also by running this fake and gay story they are talking about the dossier, effectively reporting it with a spin they want. All with no evidence elon censored anything and only evidence that he unbanned the guy.

Anonymous No. 16432057

>>16430066
Because you were fed a propaganda narrative. The reason is simple and nothing political. It was because the guy was doxing the Vance guy, his family, his children, etc.

>doxxing should be allowed
No website on the green internet allows doxxing. Not only is it morally unethical, its potentially illegal

Anonymous No. 16432062

>>16419058
Yeah yeah just like he spearheaded that one paper where he was cited as first author and the rest of his team was referred to as "Tesla". Elon is a businessman that made the right decision to bet heavily on software integration and autonomy while all other big automobile companies at the time got too complacent. But hes not a fucking engineer and is cauchz lying all the time when it comes to his technical abilities and alleged achievements.

Anonymous No. 16432153

>>16419051
>CEOs usually do this and not that
>Elon is a CEO
>therefore Elon does this and not that

wow big brain, you didn't even have to look anything up about elon

Anonymous No. 16432160

>>16423027
Billionaires shouldn't be trying to save the world. It inevitably becomes bad press because today's peasants don't assume it stems from some noblesse oblige of a superior, but that a deeply flawed robber baron, an equal who got lucky, is just trying to clean up their reputation. See Carnegie, Rockefeller, Bill Gates, Alfred Nobel.
As for Musk, I don't hear many people buying that going to Mars will save us as a species. They just really like rockets and doing cool things with rockets. Or fast electric cars. Just build cool stuff and you'll be fine. Make some cool films too. I'd like someone to pay people to make films like Fitzcarraldo or Aguirre or Apocalypse Now or making films out of Ernst JĂĽnger or Asimov books, or a TV series based on Herodotus' Histories or Ovid's Metamorphoses.

🗑️ Anonymous No. 16432189

>>16432062
Seethe more tranny

Anonymous No. 16434859

>>16431974
>we’re going to put a human on Mars in 10 years trust me bro!

Anonymous No. 16435443

>>16434859
that's his very optimistic estimate at that time. With spacex's current activity, 2030 Mars mission by them is very possible. He's not maliciously lying, just an optimist. Also they're not the only one holding back the artemis program, every contractor on this is late that's why this programs timeline was extended by nasa

Anonymous No. 16435598

>>16434859
You downloaded a mind virus from other npcs. He said 10-20 years, and it's a prediction, he didn't promise anything. Also the criticism is "never". Spacex is on track to send men to mars and way ahead of everyone else. But you can't tell the difference between that and fraud.

Anonymous No. 16435604

>>16435443
>Im going to do this good thing by thursday, at no cost to you, in fact it will you save money
>friday
>*injects estrogen* REDDIT WAS RIGHT

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Anonymous No. 16438163

>>16419028
lots of elon derangement syndrome in this thread.

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🗑️ Anonymous No. 16439977

r8

Anonymous No. 16440078

>>16419087
That was true back in 1960.

>>16419088
>You consult an engineering team, not some customer appreciation hack.
And yet that is what people did before Elon kicked in the doors. Proper engineering died a long time ago and took NASA with it down the drain.

>>16419985
There are plenty of investors in the US. What do you think made him so rich? Luck?

Anonymous No. 16440121

>>16422579
Best post.

Anonymous No. 16440125

>>16419028
He did all of that? I thought he was the twitter guy who's really into Trump.

Anonymous No. 16440145

>>16419028
>babbys first personality cult
And then people are surprised how religions and cults start kek.
I’ll give him that, he’s good at making literally everything about himself and got extremely lucky with his investments. The rest is history.
Right now his current trajectory is to fuck up as much of his legacy as possible, if he’d just shut his mouth since 2018 and did le cool Tesla and rocket stuff he’d be unironically praised as literal tech Jesus by now. Oh well kek

Anonymous No. 16440198

>>16419028
>programmer
>ai investor
These are the only two things he can do and at least one of those things is absolute horeshit that makes the world a worse place to live in.

Anonymous No. 16440202

>>16440198
I doubt he can actually program anymore. I mean I’m sure he remembers the basics like babby tier CS 101 stuff but the last time he actually programmed was like a quarter of a century ago.

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Anonymous No. 16440220

inb4 Elon goes to jail for overstating the Cyberfuck range and the first Mars astronauts wither up from radiation poisoning in some gay-ass bubble habitat.

Anonymous No. 16440362

>>16419028
>literally lucky millennial riding the tech wave to disrupt major ancient industries when the gov is willing to be lenient

He got lucky. Take Tesla. You couldn't fuck with car companies before 2008. Then the recession happened and Obama was pushing for electric vehicles. Hence a lot of federal funding dropped right in his lap. Then nice legal interpretations allowed Tesla to sell direct to consumer. He's literally been riding that legal interpretation for the majority of his time. People don't buy Tesla's for the cars, they buy it because it's a significantly better purchasing experience because you don't deal with dealerships.

Rockets are similar, there was a recent extreme push for rockets, and all the old giants are just too old and were literally suffocating the government as China was blasting shit into space constantly. The government has changed a lot of its tune with space and Elon luckily had the capital and investors at the right time.

I'm not saying he's stupid by any means, but it's not hard to do especially if you're watching what the federal government actually wants and have the right moles in place. Most new wealth, even bezos, is just retarded shit. No real new cool things, just literally what happens when you're a modicum better than dinosaur companies that have been choking consumers and the government for years. Banks could have done PayPal decades ago, but dragged their feet. It wasn't new or innovative it was something we should have had in the 90s (probably they even had prototypes that they killed), but American corporations are greedy and lazy.

Again, not saying he's stupid, it's just it's not a big feat to disrupt these organizations that literally kill their own industry's 'progress' for short term gain and stability. I'll also give it to him that he's part of the newer wave of STEM undergrads taking over corporate America. The csuite will soon almost exclusively be those with undergrads in STEM and MBAs.

Anonymous No. 16440383

>>16440362
Bezos also got insanely lucky. Same for jobs, just found the right autist to slave for him at the right time. Same with zuck, not like Facebook was something highly innovative.

Honestly the only modern tech gigacorpo founding story that impresses me is google. Search engines exist but are basically shit, two guys in uni come up with an algorithm to BTFO every other search engine in existence that is used to this day

Anonymous No. 16440388

>>16419028
Where does /sci/ stand politically? This is so odd. Only the extreme left hates him. Or is it because /sci/ has mental inertia and their contrarianism dates back to the times when the leftist onions boys used to love him?

Anonymous No. 16440414

>>16419028
He's a con man chud that supports Trump, promotes disinformation, and promotes racist far-right conspiracy theories
How much has Musk given to the Trump campaign again?

Anonymous No. 16440462

>>16440362
Crazy how this guy gets "lucky" every time he does something technologically challenging. Wish the fates would give the unemployed hobos shooting fentanyl some of that 100% arbitrary fortune...

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Anonymous No. 16440471

>>16419028

Anonymous No. 16440473

>>16440462
>every time he does something technologically challenging
Like the whole two times „he’s“ done it (founding spacex and buying up Tesla)? Damn what an impressive track record

Anonymous No. 16440477

>>16440462
Would you call nuking Tesla and Twitter lucky?

Anonymous No. 16440482

>>16440477
They have to pretend that one was le great success because twatter now has le free speech and each tweet gets a million impressions (a meme metric to boost numbers)
Nevermind the value depreciation of 71% kek

Anonymous No. 16440485

>>16440482
How many of those impressions are 'FREE TITS HERE' and 'BUY GOLD USING THIS LINK'? (:

Anonymous No. 16440486

>>16440414
>nooooo anyone who doesn't politically agree with me is to be canceled at all cost no matter who they are!!!
And remind me why you think you have the moral high ground?

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Anonymous No. 16440489

>>16440486
>nooooo anyone who doesn't politically agree with me is to be canceled at all cost no matter who they are!!!

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Anonymous No. 16440491

>>16440473
Yes I would say founding the entity that sends rockets into space more than anything else is a remarkable achievement. I would also say that leading a company in a terribly competitive industry burdened by regulation to a profit for the first time was a massive achievement. I would say that continuing to innovate in both is a never ending achievement.
>but muh gubbermint
Why doesn't everyone take advantage of the same things Elon does? Why is no one else a shrewd businessman?
>>16440477
Twitter is better than ever now that based right wingers are allowed on it again. Sorry tranny
>>16440482
oh I'm sorry, is using company stock value allowed now? How much was Tesla worth in 2004 when he bought it? How much is it worth now?
Twitter isn't public anymore anyway, so the valuation doesn't matter. It's more profitable now anyway now that 80% of the staff was fired.
>>16440471
Unbelievable levels of cope. Wrangling talented engineers and getting boundaries out of their way so they can develop is a colossal achievement.
If you're autistic and only care about scientists, you have an incorrect view of reality, but regardless he also gives technical interviews all the time, far beyond what a business CEO would need to know. He knew the rocket design well enough to change it on the fly based on an interview question https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WY73exaVpyw

Anonymous No. 16440492

>>16440491
Did you get your Cybertruck? Did it survive its first rain storm? lol

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Anonymous No. 16440495

>>16440491
>He knew the rocket design well enough to change it on the fly based on an interview question
>implying that wasn't staged

Anonymous No. 16440497

>>16440491
https://www.forbes.com/sites/antoniopequenoiv/2024/04/04/musks-x-says-its-purging-bots-heres-how-the-platform-has-struggled-to-squash-its-bot-problem/
Are you the type of person to click on all those porn links from Indian bots? jej

Anonymous No. 16440530

>>16419154
Funny thing is I actually owned those games as a kid. They were terrible but I was a huge fan of Cadillacs and Dinosaurs so I had to have it.

Anonymous No. 16440559

>>16440362
The idea that there could be more stories like elon's if the government would get out of the way or throw more start-ups a bone, I agree with. And no matter how talented he was he couldn't beat a racket stacked against newcomers. But all that means is the lower rungs of the ladder were there for him, once he's on the ladder you still have to run successful companies. Cars are extremely competitive and you have a lot of international competition. It's not a bunch of slackers and taxpayer tit suckers that refused to run the ball like spaceflight. Cars are good products competing for the consumer. As for spaceflight, its more like elon is competing more with gravity than with boeing. There are other space startups, they are late compared to spacex, but we can see how they do and then we'll know how special spacex is.

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🗑️ Anonymous No. 16440560

>>16440489
You're in a pinch trying to get decent cabinet level people put in their offices because they need to be confirmed by the senate and the senate won't confirm anyone from outside the DC inner circles.

Anonymous No. 16440563

>>16440559
His true midwit strategy right now is his weird focus on Tesla and Twitter over SpaceX. Now he's jumping into politics? Idiot could be pushing space colonies like in Gundam and be remembered forever.

Anonymous No. 16440564

>>16440473
why haven't any athletes gotten "lucky" and used their money to become multi billionaires? All they have to do is found or buy a technology company and eventually one of them will break through

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Anonymous No. 16440565

>>16440560
If only he could've appointed more Jews like Kush...

Anonymous No. 16440567

>>16440564
Jordan, Brady, and Shaq are fairly wealthy rn. Also, the biggest illusion is Musk's wealth - it's all theoretical. It's why he doesn't own Twitter, Saudi Arabia owns twitter.

Anonymous No. 16440572

>>16440563
Right now the only thing slowing starship development is the FAA, that's a reason to be in politics, and politics is a good reason to be in twitter. Tesla is a good company to have if you need solar panels, batteries, electric motors, heatpumps, robots, etc for spaceflight. Trust the plan.

Anonymous No. 16440576

>>16440572
Tesla's struggling to sell right now. Musk cozying up with the half of America who hates battery cars and attacking the half that does is a stupid strategy showing. The Cybertruck will be the thing remembered as the lead to Tesla's decline, but it started before that thing launched. In reality, Elon knows China will eat his lunch and it's one of the reasons he's running to Trump. What Elon doesn't get is, President Xi can just compliment Trump and Chinese EVs will flood into the US.

Anonymous No. 16440580

>>16419154
>Sound, art, programming all him in BASIC.
You make it sound like it was something incredible, but literally most computer games that had BASIC source codes sold in magazines had the same shit. Most old game programmers started like that.

Anonymous No. 16440582

never ceases to amuse me the lengths midwits will go to prove that they're smarter than people they dislike

Anonymous No. 16440583

>>16440580
NOOO HE IS LITERALLY TONY STARK OMFG HAVE MORE TDS SHITLIB

Anonymous No. 16440585

>>16440567
2 billion, 300 mil, 300 mil

Also owning public companies the stock price can go up or down. So it's not realized wealth until it's liquid. But if someone offered you a company worth billions of dollars you're not going to say no thanks that's an "illusion" and "theoretical" when that could be real money if you just sold it. He's worth 250 billion. There's nothing that could conceivably happen that's non-apocalyptic for him to no longer be "wealthy". What's likely to happen is just "less rich" but still one of the wealthiest people on earth.

The twitter buyout was 44 billion, the company was taken private and elon owns all of it, but he's probably beholden to contracts with people who invested. Saudi Arabia invested 2 billion. Maybe reddit shouldn't be your news source

Anonymous No. 16440586

>>16440582
>never ceases to amuse me the lengths midwits will go to defend their heroes and elevate them as Gods

Anonymous No. 16440587

>>16440585
How much of Elon's wealth is liquid vs those three? Also, all you've proven is his dependence on others.

Anonymous No. 16440589

>>16440585
>The twitter buyout was 44 billion
What is it currently valued at? How much does he owe Saudis and others in comparison? The housing crash of 2008 was caused by idiots taking out loans for shit they couldn't afford and then the prices crashing right after.

Anonymous No. 16440590

>>16440576
You sound like someone who started looking for cope that elon will fail when he switched political affiliation. But because you haven't been paying attention for a very long time, you don't realize you're in a long line of elon internet spectators regurgitating cope. Maybe you'll be the first group to be right, maybe you won't.

Anonymous No. 16440591

>>16440590
https://qz.com/tesla-unsold-cars-abandoned-mall-parking-lots-storage-1851473616
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/tesla-european-sales-plummet-36-171615388.html
https://www.motor1.com/news/727166/tesla-losing-ground-in-us-europe/
Again, if he was smart he'd divest from Tesla and focus on Space-X and delivering real innovation. He's now stuck with Tesla due to his need to be a top tier shitposter by buying Twitter and tying the purchase to Tesla's stock.

Anonymous No. 16440595

>>16440587
maybe 20 billion

Yeah, money that's invested is "dependent" on others and events. But you don't get to 250 billion by investing in money market where nothing can go wrong. You get there by investing in companies and taking risk. I don't know what you mean by "prove". I'm not trying to prove anything. You impled 3 athletes compete with elon, elon's wealth is an illusion, and saudi arabia has more control over twitter than elon which is just flat out non sense you made up or read somewhere you need to stop reading.

Anonymous No. 16440596

>>16440589
Probably nothing. If you invested in a company and its value goes down and revenue/expenditure gets worse you wouldn't make any money. I don't remember it being described as a loan.

Anonymous No. 16440599

>>16440595
https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-features/twitter-x-shareholders-court-order-diddy-jack-dorsey-1235085804/
>An unsealed court document confirms that Sean Combs, Jack Dorsey, and a handful of Silicon Valley elites helped fund the $44 billion takeover of Twitter
lol bro come on

Anonymous No. 16440601

>>16440596
You must not have seen what's going on with CVS Health right now lol

Anonymous No. 16440603

>>16440599
What did Elon have to have done at those Freak Out parties?

Anonymous No. 16440605

>>16440591
I don't have gellman amnesia, thanks though. This conversation is about speculative conclusions anyway, a news article can't tell you about the future even if author knew what they were talking about and not shilling.

Anonymous No. 16440608

>>16440605
I guess we wait and see. Do you think he is afraid of Chinese EVs?

Anonymous No. 16440609

>>16440599
What does this have to do with anything?

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Anonymous No. 16440612

>>16440609
He had to ask PDiddy for money.

Anonymous No. 16440614

>>16440608
Yes he has said so. Unlikely for the united states because trump has a protectionist populist platform but elon is trying to compete in china.

Anonymous No. 16440616

>>16440612
I think you're trying to say if someone partners with others to invest in something, that means they have no money left over.

You're an idiot.

Anonymous No. 16440618

>>16440601
QRD?

Anonymous No. 16440619

>>16440616
I am saying everyone has a boss, which proves Elon is not a paragon like he claims. As such, others had influence on things even if he doesn't want to admit it.

Anonymous No. 16440622

>>16440618
They 'took over' Aetna and then Aetna leadership replaced all the legacy CVS leadership. What ensued was all units for the company breaking down - retail stores look like shit, their PBM is losing business, Aetna is losing place in the market, etc. All of this translated to minor revenue misses, but the real power (Glenview Capital) was able to step in and take over - all over what turned out to be a revenue miss of a few hundred million. Elon is beholden to others at both Tesla and Twitter due to his decision to buy Twitter leveraging his stock. It's a driver as to why he demanded that insane CEO payout that is moving thru the courts. At some point you can piss off those who hold the strings. Despite all that wealth, there's a reason Elon bought Twitter, but he should be focusing on Space-X.
https://fortune.com/2024/09/30/cvs-health-stock-hedge-fund-glenview-capital-acitvist-investor/

Anonymous No. 16440623

https://www.wsj.com/tech/elon-musks-twitter-takeover-is-now-the-worst-buyout-for-banks-since-the-financial-crisis-3f4272cb

Anonymous No. 16440631

>>16440619
1 or 2 billion in a 44 billion buyout when elon put in 27 does not make anyone a "boss". He's beholden to any conditions they set for investing with him. But what is the point of this? We got here by you denying how rich elon was, and after you were corrected, now you're bringing up a new goal post with new non sense that I don't care about. And now with more dubious and abstract claims. When has elon claimed to be a paragon? When does he claim not to be constrained by others? This is what they mean by derangement syndrome. You'll invent qualities for someone you dislike just so you can dislike them more.

Anonymous No. 16440639

>>16440631
Glenview only owned 1% of CVS Health and it just forced out their CEO, and CVS is bigger than Tesla or SpaceX

Anonymous No. 16440640

>>16440623
>subscribe now

We only needed the headline anyway

Anonymous No. 16440641

>>16440631
Elon is trying to transform twitter into a bank and an AI platform.

Anonymous No. 16440643

>>16440639
Interesting story will read, but elon owns 100% of twitter/x. It's not public with investors receiving shares and controlling stake as I'd imagine CVS was.

Anonymous No. 16440644

>>16440640
>not having a journal sub
This is a 18+ website, anon.

Anonymous No. 16440645

>>16440643
That is inaccurate. He owns Twitter with money he borrowed from others tied to his Tesla stock. The valuation crashed and the clock is ticking. No one gives someone $44billion because they LARP as Tony Stark

Anonymous No. 16440647

>>16440622
>All of this translated to minor revenue misses, but the real power (Glenview Capital) was able to step in and take over - all over what turned out to be a revenue miss of a few hundred million.

So you mean though glenview owned only a small fraction of the company, CVS owed glenview a little bit of money and that's what shifted control?

The twitter buyout had 13 billion in debt financing, dont know how well elon has covered that.

Anonymous No. 16440648

https://seekingalpha.com/news/4141797-elon-musks-13b-twitter-buyout-is-worst-deal-for-banks-since-financial-crisis-report
>A group of seven banks, including Bank of America (NYSE:BAC) and Morgan Stanley (NYSE:MS), lent $13B to Musk to take Twitter private in October 2022. Usually, banks quickly sell such loans to get them off their balance sheets, generating money from fees in the process.
LOL

Anonymous No. 16440652

>>16440647
Exactly. They were able to pull off a coup with only ~$1b of control (based on generous valuations of CVS Health a year ago). The problem Elon has is the same problem Boomers have when they take out a second on their main house to buy an investment property and begin to lose cash.

Anonymous No. 16440657

>>16440643
>elon owns 100% of twitter/x
No he doesn't.

Anonymous No. 16440662

>>16440645
tesla was at 228 when he bought twitter, its 220 now. If market was 7% of a year for 2 years, I don't even know what it was, it should be 261 to not be a flop. They were there July and September. Stocks go up and down. I wouldn't be a doomer about it.

Anonymous No. 16440663

>>16440662
Except Twitter's value is tied to his Space-X stock. The stock remaining static is bad if twitter's valuation remains down. The IOUs are written on Tesla stock paper.

Anonymous No. 16440665

>>16440663
Pretty sure you mean tesla stock because motherfucker do I wish there was such a thing as spacex stock

Anonymous No. 16440666

>>16440665
My bad

Anonymous No. 16440693

>>16440648
based elon leaving the banks holding bag

Anonymous No. 16441655

>>16419028
>Bachelor's degree in economics and physics
>rocket scientist
lol
>climate friendly EV engineer
>offers private flights to space for billionaires
lol
>neural computing pioneer
>pays people so they do shit for him while he dances and blackmails authorities for faster fab building
lol
and
dont forget to whom you pay homage (wiki)
>Musk is heavily involved in public political discourse and shapes the information infrastructure he has purchased according to his own ideas. He holds libertarian views and (since 2022) predominantly right-wing political positions. Through his posts on X, he has also become known for spreading conspiracy theories and making provocative statements that have been criticized as scientifically untenable, scaremongering, anti-Semitic and transphobic, as well as “trolling”, among other things.

its called insanity and megalomania.

Anonymous No. 16441665

>>16440388
Extreme left hates him. But extreme left hates anyone who is not extreme left. So that doesn't say much.

Anonymous No. 16441669

>>16441655
Cope more retard. Elon is humanity's only savior. Your jealousy is getting in the way of progress.

Anonymous No. 16441670

>>16440414
I'm a leftist code-talker. I'm here to decode this post for /sci/.

>that supports Trump
Support American prosperity
>promotes disinformation
Says things leftists disagree with
>promotes racist far-right conspiracy theories
Says we need meritocracy and true information deemed dangerous by the leftist

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Anonymous No. 16441735

>>16441670
>this is your brain on /pol/

Anonymous No. 16441750

>>16441670
>Support American prosperity
>Says we need meritocracy and true information deemed dangerous by the leftist

You're sucking Trump's cock too hard. He did none of that.

Anonymous No. 16441755

>>16441750
Elon is so scared of Chinese EVs he's paying people to vote for Trump, I hope Trump wins and lets Chinese EVs flood the market because Xi compliments Ivanka lol

Anonymous No. 16441800

>>16441669
>Cope more retard
>writes flawless cope reply

Anonymous No. 16441813

>>16419028
>yet /sci/ hates him
Lol
Lmao

Anonymous No. 16441916

>>16441655
I wish I were him

Anonymous No. 16441918

>>16420795

I'm not even a fan of Elon. and even I can see how much a shill you are just by type the word "chuds" unironically.

Anonymous No. 16441931

>>16440608
If he is, he's wrong. America will simply not allow Chinese cars to be sold there, Trump or Harris, Elon or not.
If you think any country is actually committed to free trade, that's because you haven't poked into their national pride industries yet.
Ford invented mass manufacturing of cars, America was built on cars more than any other nation on Earth. They already learned a lesson with Japan (which is a captive country to the US) and they will not make the same mistake again, specially when dealing with an active adversary such as China.
Tariffs, non-tariff trade barriers, embargoes, whatever it takes. Chink EVs will NOT come to America at all.

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Anonymous No. 16441990

>>16441755
>Elon is so scared of Chinese EVs he's paying people to vote for Trump, I hope Trump wins and lets Chinese EVs flood the market because Xi compliments Ivanka lol

Anonymous No. 16442028

He's none of those, he's a CEO.
It's like saying that the person who gave a grant deserves a nobel more than the guy who actually discovered something

Anonymous No. 16442083

>>16419028
where's the hyperloop?
where's my earth to earth passenger rocket?
he's an investor not an engineer, which is still important, but let's not dick ride too hard.

Anonymous No. 16442386

>>16419028
Right. Yet for all his credentials, none of his enterprises have produced any fundamental benefit to our species nor have they had any lasting impact as he hops from project to project without ever advancing any field he works in. And no, other companies didn't rediscover electric cars because of him. Like Jobs, he just knows how to market stuff to the public, and other companies don't want to bleed clients. That's all it is.

Anonymous No. 16442472

>>16442083
Where is my self driving car?

Anonymous No. 16442972

>>16442386
I got to buy a tesla because of him and it made me very happi :)

Anonymous No. 16443002

>>16419028
>has 12 children
>raises none of them
Just having two kids is a full time job let alone fucking twelve. What's the point in having children if you're not going to spend any time with them to insure they are raised right with good morals and ethics so they can carry on your legacy and be proud of them? He basically spawned twelve entitled little cunts that are going to be just the worst people alive with no work ethic and they will still carry his name.

He a shit father which makes him a shitty, worthless man.

EBOK No. 16443007

>>16443002
And fart in my moif

Anonymous No. 16443248

>>16419901
SpaceX's revenue from Starlink alone is forecast to overtake NASA's entire budget by end of 2025.

Anonymous No. 16443251

>>16443248
how much longer until blue origin starts launching bezos' starlink knockoff?

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Anonymous No. 16443278

>>16443251
Never

Anonymous No. 16443279

>>16443251
Bezos' shareholders sued him for not contracting SpaceX for the launches, instead procuring Atlas V's. The whole pre-2023 structure of the project has essentially been cast into doubt.
2024 on, he's contracted ULA to deliver two vulcans. Company is fine but it's not SpaceX.
They plan to put 3000 satellites into orbit over the next 10-15 years, currently they have two. Blue origin's not doing shit yet, latest development is they tested the upper stage engines on New Glenn four weeks ago. Could honestly be 2+ years out at this point, which is why there is no mention anywhere about Kuiper using Bezos rockets.
Oh, they attracted a partnership with DirectTV Latin America, big win for the project.

Anonymous No. 16443294

>>16419028
/sci/ is mad theyre just academia book-smarts glass heads with no success or money

Anonymous No. 16443377

>>16419138
Musk is Stockton Rush but on land and space. He has the same story of ignoring safety concerns and firing engineers that brought them. There are already many cases of Tesla vehicles causing accidents due to the AI malfunctioning and exploding batteries. It's just a matter of time before we hear stories about rockets exploding with astronauts onboard.

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Anonymous No. 16443388

>>16443377
Yeah fuck eldolf muslker amirite?

Anonymous No. 16443389

>>16443377
>Musk is Stockton Rush but on land and space because cars crash and explode. It's just a matter of time before we hear stories about rockets exploding with astronauts onboard but I'm not talking about nasa or boeing.

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Anonymous No. 16443399

>>16443388
Yeah suck Enron's Musketter's dick amirite?

>>16443389
>Musk cares about safety because no one died in a rocket yet

Anonymous No. 16443437

>>16443399
S 3 X Y all get top safety pick+ from the IIHS and 5 stars from NHTSA, the highest scores available, only 25-30% of cars achieve this. Self Driving has less accidents per time driven than human driving, you could argue this is because drivers aren't using self driving in challenging situations, but it doesn't matter, less death is occurring in that time. All of space'x ISS and commercial missions have gone flawlessly and nasa says they are safe. But it's just a matter of time because it just is ok. Meanwhile boeing blew it every time.

>Many were serious or disabling. The records included reports of more than 100 workers suffering cuts or lacerations, 29 with broken bones or dislocations, 17 whose hands or fingers were “crushed,” and nine with head injuries, including one skull fracture, four concussions and one traumatic brain injury. The cases also included five burns, five electrocutions, eight accidents that led to amputations, 12 injuries involving multiple unspecified body parts, and seven workers with eye injuries. Others were relatively minor, including more than 170 reports of strains or sprains.

This is over 9 years. They have thousands of people working construction. I don't know what's normal. A guy died because they didn't have tie down straps and he rode on top of insulation foam and the wind threw him. Not blaming him, but an employee unwittingly placing themselves in a dangerous situation is not the same as sending an employee into a dangerous situation.

Anonymous No. 16443481

>>16443399
>Carson himself eventually was fired in January 2022 after getting into a scuffle with a boss. Carson, who is African American, said he shoved the manager, a younger man, because he had repeatedly called Carson “boy,” despite Carson’s requests that he stop. “Boy” is widely considered a racial epithet by Americans when used to refer to a Black man.

This is what Reuters actually believes

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Anonymous No. 16444074

>>16419028
most of /sci/ is middle class at best, and jealousy towards rich people are at an all time high in western countries right now

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>>16443523
heres the full screencap

Anonymous No. 16445571

>>16443399
If nothing was reported earlier (doubt), how can they know that "injuries soar"?

Anonymous No. 16447098

>>16442028
>It's like saying that the person who gave a grant deserves a nobel more than the guy who actually discovered something
triggered libtard asspained because he's gonna be sent back to his shithole country

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Anonymous No. 16447889

>>16419028
>yet /sci/ hates him

No. The 'look at me, I have a counter view from everyone else' crowd ALWAYS ALWAYS puts down the best and brightest and most accomplished.

The fucker caught a rocket with a pair 'chop sticks' ... kind of hard to be a bigger tech head success than that.

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Anonymous No. 16448854

yet /sci/ loves him... figures

Anonymous No. 16449523

>>16419116
Yes but the fact that he can grasp whatever his team of engineers, designers and manifacturers do lets him streamline the workflow, allocate funds more efficently and make informed decisions on big changes.
In other words, he's 10x better than any board of directors who are just suits that think of budget and final results, without even talking of the ever so common problem of business managers throwing money on problems blindly hoping the development teams can somehow get it down. This also applies to government agencies with all the career politicians careening projects around like a headless chicken.
Elon is a most capable captain of his companies. Him being brash, kind of awkward or a bit obnoxious doesn't make him bad at his job. If that was the case, he wouldn't be the richest man in the world.

Anonymous No. 16449820

>>16449523
>board of directors who are just suits that think of budget and final results
thats not what board of directors do these days, they think about diversity and feminism.

Anonymous No. 16450250

>>16419116
he is a practiced engineer at spacex and every other engineer who worked with him confirms this cope and seethe.