Anonymous at Thu, 10 Oct 2024 22:37:53 UTC No. 16419895

Female Africans are capable of breeding with male chimps

Anonymous at Thu, 10 Oct 2024 22:53:04 UTC No. 16419914

>>16419875
Humans and Chimpanzees differ in some major ways, even though Chimpanzees are our closest living relatives.
Our chromosomes numbers are mismatched due to the chromosome 2 fusion in humans, and there are some other minor alterations.
This alone precludes viable offspring.
Additionally, our reproductive systems and gestation processes have undergone heavy divergence. There are also immune system incompatibilities and issues with genomic imprinting.
On top of all of this, these fish are polyploids. This makes them much more adapted to hybridize.

Anonymous at Thu, 10 Oct 2024 22:55:17 UTC No. 16419922

>>16419914
>This alone precludes viable offspring.
if thats the case then how do mules exist?
you have an overly simplified conception of this topic, have you ever studied biology past high school?

Anonymous at Thu, 10 Oct 2024 23:26:33 UTC No. 16419981

>>16419895
incorrect

Anonymous at Thu, 10 Oct 2024 23:27:03 UTC No. 16419982

>>16419922
If you have a better understanding than answer the question

Anonymous at Thu, 10 Oct 2024 23:37:39 UTC No. 16420004

>>16419922
The fish in OP all have different chromosome counts.

Anonymous at Thu, 10 Oct 2024 23:38:39 UTC No. 16420008

>>16419914
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xa6ngGg-Thk
Hank Green did a video on this recently.

TLDR up until 800,000 years ago you could probably still mate with a chimp, but the chromosome fusion event put an end to that.

Anonymous at Thu, 10 Oct 2024 23:44:08 UTC No. 16420014

>>16419922
>how do mules exist?

Anonymous at Thu, 10 Oct 2024 23:46:24 UTC No. 16420017

>>16419922
You are experiencing Dunning-Kruger.
I literally told you, *due to the chromosome 2 fusion in humans*. Refer to >>16420008

If you were expecting me to give some overly vague garbage answer or write a 400-page essay on gene regulation without simplification to answer your retarded fucking faggot question of why you can't go to Africa and impregnate chimpanzees, then simply kill yourself now, you absolute fucking retard.

Anonymous at Thu, 10 Oct 2024 23:59:43 UTC No. 16420030

>>16420017
Based
>>16419922
Fag

Anonymous at Fri, 11 Oct 2024 01:28:46 UTC No. 16420106

>>16419875
Innocent question, how do we know we can’t mate with chimps, has it been tried?

Anonymous at Fri, 11 Oct 2024 01:54:43 UTC No. 16420144

>>16419875
I'm prety sure there have been cases of human chimp hybrids before.

Anonymous at Fri, 11 Oct 2024 01:58:48 UTC No. 16420149

>>16420004
Why lie?

Anonymous at Fri, 11 Oct 2024 02:19:02 UTC No. 16420185

>>16420106
good idea to look up the origins of HIV and hepatitis

Anonymous at Fri, 11 Oct 2024 03:23:17 UTC No. 16420377

>>16420106
Its known for a fact that Africans and chimps are mutually fertile
https://guardian.ng/news/genetic-makeup-of-12-year-old-angolan-boy-in-dispute/
Experiments in the USSR trying to impregnate white and asian females with chimp sperm were all failure as were attempts at impregnating chimps with white and asian sperm.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/12467272/

Furthermore the fact that mainstream science refuses to acknowledge the Africans' evidence of having created human-chimpanzee hybrids is extremely racist, the western geneticists must be seething with envy at the Africans for having successfully pulled off an experiment that they had failed at and resorting to using racist tropes about Africa scientific rigor as an excuse for ignoring the Africans' success is as low as it gets.

Anonymous at Sat, 12 Oct 2024 02:44:34 UTC No. 16422184

>>16420377
>the western geneticists must be seething with envy at the Africans for having successfully pulled off an experiment that they had failed at and resorting to using racist tropes about Africa scientific rigor as an excuse for ignoring the Africans' success is as low as it gets.
And they hide behind the excuse that they're protecting Africans from racism, as if thats they're jobs. Aren't Africans smart enough to protect themselves from racism? Why do they need the great white savior to do it for them?

Anonymous at Sat, 12 Oct 2024 03:12:46 UTC No. 16422216

All types of bears can have fertile offspring, as well as many fish and birds. Some other exceptions too.

The divisions of species are guidelines and general trends, not strict rules.

Anonymous at Sat, 12 Oct 2024 12:15:28 UTC No. 16422649

>>16419914
Does it mean I can have a sex with Bonobos without any fear of consequences?

Anonymous at Sat, 12 Oct 2024 12:41:07 UTC No. 16422670

>>16420377
>sexual relationships with chimpanzees are common in the area
>president calls the boy a national treasure
This has gotta be fake, someone please tell me this is fake

Anonymous at Sat, 12 Oct 2024 16:13:16 UTC No. 16422955

>>16422670
It's fake.

Anonymous at Sat, 12 Oct 2024 19:12:26 UTC No. 16423355

>>16419875
>One race, the fish race!

Anonymous at Sat, 12 Oct 2024 21:26:41 UTC No. 16423592

>>16419922
mouth breathing retard that votes in elections
AND IT COUNTS JUST AS MUCH AS YOUR VOTE!

Anonymous at Sun, 13 Oct 2024 23:00:14 UTC No. 16429707

>>16422670
Typical of racist westerners to presume that any science news coming out of Africa just has to be fake unless its coming from a white scientist

Anonymous at Sun, 13 Oct 2024 23:51:07 UTC No. 16429824

>>16429707
>presume that any science news coming out of Africa just has to be fake unless its coming from a white scientist
Based.

Anonymous at Mon, 14 Oct 2024 02:44:35 UTC No. 16430089

>>16422216
The real problem with divisions of species isn't that they are just guidelines, but that nobody can agree on the rules. Evolutionary biologists have proposed almost 30 different species definitions (called "species concepts") over the years, and none of them apply to all organisms. For example, the "no fertile offspring" definition is a paraphrase of one of the most popular species concepts called the Biological Species Concept (BSC), which actually states that a species is "a population or group of populations reproductively isolated from other such groups". "Reproductively isolated" in this case can mean "no fertile offspring", but it can also mean "they never encounter each other" or "they don't see each other as potential mates". The problems with the BSC are: 1. it doesn't work for organisms that reproduce asexually, 2. lots of organisms we would otherwise call different species have hybrids from time to time, and 3. reproductive isolation is actually really difficult to test (many organisms will hybridize in captivity but almost never in nature). As I said, there's like 30 more definitions of species that have been proposed, and most of them are slight modifications of other species concepts to fix problems with them (and introducing new problems lol). Some researchers have tried to come up with a definition that unifies all these different definitions (e.g. "a species is an independently-evolving metapopulation lineage"), but unified definitions fall apart because they're almost impossible to apply in the real world (how do you determine if something is "independently-evolving" or part of a metapopulation?).

Anonymous at Mon, 14 Oct 2024 03:19:45 UTC No. 16430146

>>16419875
OP, I think the reason why sturddlefish are possible but humanzees aren't (barring those tabloid-tier news stories) is probably just luck. The sturddlefish have an advantage of being externally fertilized, so there's no issue of unsuitable gestation environment like with humanzees. Even so, the sturddlefish had extremely low survival and were all sterile anyways, so clearly there were lots of genetic incompatibilities. It's just that the very slow rates of evolution in paddlefish and sturgeon have allowed for those genetic incompatibilities to not be *completely* lethal.

The actual reason why humans and chimps don't produce hybrids is probably not the chromosome 2 fusion >>16420017 claimed. Differences in chromosome counts often do cause sterility in offspring due to problems with meiosis (which is the reason why mules are almost always sterile). However, after a chromosome fusion there is a short window of evolutionary time where meiosis is able to work (otherwise the fused-chromosome mutation wouldn't be passed on and spread through the population). The real reason species that can't produce hybrids aren't able to is that the longer they have been diverging from each other, the more unique mutations they accumulate in their genomes. Each new unique mutation that becomes fixed in one species has never seen the unique mutations that became fixed in the other species, meaning there is a chance they are incompatible (these are called "Dobzhansky-Muller Incompatibilities"). The longer two species have been isolated, the more unique mutations they each have that have never seen the ones in the other species, so the chance that two mutations are incompatible grows exponentially over time. This is the real reason why species with different chromosome counts can have sterile offspring - eventually enough mutations build up between the fused chromosome and its unfused counterparts that meiosis can't pair them together.

Anonymous at Mon, 14 Oct 2024 07:23:12 UTC No. 16430444

>>16420014
>fertile hinny

Anonymous at Mon, 14 Oct 2024 17:35:25 UTC No. 16431422

>>16422670
did you see the pic of the child? its clearly not fake, he has mixed features of a human and a chimpanzee

🗑️ Anonymous at Tue, 15 Oct 2024 04:03:02 UTC No. 16432338

>>16430146
>the evidence is fake because I called it 'tabloid tier'
why does seeing a human chimp hybrid upset you so badly? do you have a rational reason or is your reasoning strictly emotional?

Anonymous at Tue, 15 Oct 2024 05:10:15 UTC No. 16432391

>>16420377
This is quite the original response I was hoping to find.

Anonymous at Tue, 15 Oct 2024 05:32:07 UTC No. 16432408

Because some creatures haven’t changed much despite branching off millions of years ago, like you and your ancestors haven’t changed much with Australopithecus.

Anonymous at Tue, 15 Oct 2024 12:29:47 UTC No. 16432787

>>16419875
Because human beings have immaterial souls given to us by God.

XX\ZCXC\Z at Tue, 15 Oct 2024 12:43:56 UTC No. 16432808

>>16419914
where can we learn more about how the mutation occurs of a chromosome fusing?

There's a lot to unpack there, please feel welcome to talk about the differences more if you so please

>>16420008
If I go to China and finesse an embryo myself and my gf made, could they just fuse a chromosome in vitro? Why aren't we downy chimps??? gene regulation desu?

>>16420185
these monkey diseases are inactive in monkeys?

>>16420377
>pic rel

Anonymous at Tue, 15 Oct 2024 15:20:18 UTC No. 16433028

>>16432808
SIV/HIVcpz isn't AIDS (not in the conspiracy sense either), all these things are RT and HR recombinations of each other and bits of yourself, some show up in zoos or captive populations but the two cases that jumped to humans would be some (more likely case) of bushmeat or someone fucked a congolese chimp

Anonymous at Tue, 15 Oct 2024 19:24:27 UTC No. 16433356

>>16419981
wrong

🗑️ Anonymous at Tue, 15 Oct 2024 22:26:26 UTC No. 16433530

>>16432808
lmao that thing looks like an chimp fucked an african. really shows you where africans get their wide flat noses from

🗑️ Anonymous at Wed, 16 Oct 2024 18:35:36 UTC No. 16434886

>>16431422
there is no way that >>16432808 pic could be anything other than a humanzee

🗑️ Anonymous at Thu, 17 Oct 2024 18:39:08 UTC No. 16436729

>>16432808
Holy LMAO!
Its real

🗑️ Anonymous at Fri, 18 Oct 2024 00:52:13 UTC No. 16437255

The chromosomal structure of chimps vs humans is far, far more similar than just the chromosome count suggests. Humans have a large fused chromosome which is counted as two separate chromosomes in chimps, but in practice the fused human chromosome behaves similarly to the separate chimpanzee chromosomes.

🗑️ Anonymous at Sat, 19 Oct 2024 02:20:54 UTC No. 16439151

>>16437255
if chromosome numbers were meaningful then mules couldn't exist. the only people who think chromosome numbers are important are people who have never studied biology

🗑️ Anonymous at Sat, 19 Oct 2024 17:05:52 UTC No. 16439972

>>16439151
this
only uneducated plebs thing chromosome numerology is meaningful

🗑️ Anonymous at Sun, 20 Oct 2024 03:10:35 UTC No. 16440708

>>16423592
go to >>>/pol/ if you're obsessed with politics

Anonymous at Mon, 21 Oct 2024 00:11:58 UTC No. 16441935

>>16432808

Anonymous at Mon, 21 Oct 2024 00:26:21 UTC No. 16441952

>>16430146
>>16430089
>>16419914

Actual biology, on 4chan??

There are curious cases to add - you can have LETHAL combinations of genes which we studied in fruit flies - sometimes the (for example) the homozygous (two copies of the gene) is lethal, but one copy is not, or one copy produces disease and two is lethal.

If the problem is a faulty version of a hormone or an enzyme, the one with two copies can have no way of producing certain other chemicals and die. If it has one copy, it might be deficient in that chemical, but surivive with issues (disease) or develop a "deformity."

This sometimes could probably account for 1st generation offspring being able to live. They have 1 copy of enough functional genes that it keeps them alive.

...
A curious experiment was done on African Cichlids - cfish that develop strong pair bonds and have complex color display based courtship. The female has to accept the male, and she is picky based on coloration.

Researchers took a large variety of different "species" of cichlid and put them together in aquariums to try to produce hybrids - they found that by using different spectra of lighting, they can trick fishes into being unable to identify their mate is of a different species. Many produced viable offspring if they couldn't tell each other apart.

Anonymous at Mon, 21 Oct 2024 01:00:41 UTC No. 16441982

>>16420017
With humans ever advancement with genetic knowledge and engineering, is there any potential of unfusing the chromosomes in petri dish reproductive materials and then mating it, or manipulating things on that level

Anonymous at Mon, 21 Oct 2024 02:26:35 UTC No. 16442064

>>16419875
time alone is not the defining how far species will diverge, because it also depends on the amount of mutations and genetic drift. Some animals that have evolved long before man can cross-breed because their reproductive organs have not diverged as much. There are hypothetical ways it can be done though, including by "humanizing" chimpanzee genes but it's all theoretical because scientists nowadays have no backbones and are entirely dependent on bipoc\dei-mandating government or blackrock money for stuff to get done.

Anonymous at Mon, 21 Oct 2024 22:48:11 UTC No. 16443270

>>16441952
>Many produced viable offspring if they couldn't tell each other apart.
similarly, africans are capable of breeding with chimpanzees while other species of humans are not

Anonymous at Tue, 22 Oct 2024 04:31:38 UTC No. 16443591

>>16441982
What are the apparent theoretical limits to humans possible genetic manipulation?

Is it feasible for humans to totally engineer genetic codes to invent species at will? Make a 30ft tall man?

Anonymous at Tue, 22 Oct 2024 06:20:31 UTC No. 16443703

>>16443591
Deaf, dumb, blind, handless Nature made dinosaurs and the blue whale.
The History of the Genius Sum of a Billion Man, who now is so close to touching and playing the genetics, and to my ignorance already has done extremely impressive things in this field, what does it seem like the limits of abilities might be?

Anonymous at Tue, 22 Oct 2024 23:51:22 UTC No. 16444983

>>16443703
>what does it seem like the limits of genetic engineering abilities might be?
Can anyone attempt to answer this?

🗑️ Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 01:14:52 UTC No. 16446609

>>16444983
in the several decades since genetic engineering got it's start so far the genetic engineers have been able to develop 'roundup ready' crops and nothing else of any use.
in the same period of time people involved in selective breeding had developed tens of thousands new and useful forms of plants, animals, fungi and microorganisms.
genetic engineering is a bust, its up there with the fullerene industry in terms of delivering on early claims

Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 05:16:23 UTC No. 16446813

>>16446609
What about dolly the sheep

🗑️ Anonymous at Fri, 25 Oct 2024 01:31:13 UTC No. 16448160

>>16446813
what about it

🗑️ Anonymous at Sat, 26 Oct 2024 03:47:03 UTC No. 16450031

>>16430146
>its tabloid-tier because its from Africa
racist

Anonymous at Sat, 26 Oct 2024 04:24:56 UTC No. 16450054

>>16422184
Because people will harass a kid who just has the misfortune of being a bustard pure human child who looks ugly?

Anonymous at Sat, 26 Oct 2024 04:29:27 UTC No. 16450057

>>16443270
>africans are capable of breeding with chimpanzees
They aren't

🗑️ Anonymous at Sun, 27 Oct 2024 03:51:20 UTC No. 16451665

>>16450057
They are, its a demonstrated fact

>>16450031
Tabloid news is an invention of white nations, they don't have it in Africa

Anonymous at Sun, 27 Oct 2024 15:09:59 UTC No. 16452258

>>16451665
Science cannot prove without a doubt that I can not reproduce with a sheep, so I will do my part and keep trying

Anonymous at Sun, 27 Oct 2024 18:36:26 UTC No. 16452548

>>16452258
I guess there are true Scotsmen

Anonymous at Sun, 27 Oct 2024 18:41:39 UTC No. 16452558

>>16452258
Wrong chromosome count, its impossible for you to impregnate a sheep according to the science experts in this thread.
Instead you should try fucking an olive, olives and humans have the same chromosome count so crossbreeding should be possible.

🗑️ Anonymous at Mon, 28 Oct 2024 00:25:31 UTC No. 16452987

>>16452558
>this is what chromosome number cucks actually believe

Anonymous at Tue, 29 Oct 2024 04:24:16 UTC No. 16454436

>>16452558
>you should try fucking an olive, olives and humans have the same chromosome count so crossbreeding should be possible.
lol

Anonymous at Tue, 29 Oct 2024 06:08:38 UTC No. 16454504

>>16419875
Time isn’t a measure of how much a species has changed in terms of genetics. If there is no selection pressure, little change will occur even after a long time.

Anonymous at Tue, 29 Oct 2024 10:36:08 UTC No. 16454631

>>16443270
If this were true there would be hundreds of known cases of this happening, it would basically just be common knowledge.

Anonymous at Tue, 29 Oct 2024 16:57:42 UTC No. 16454923

>>16454631
are you trying to imply that africans regularly have sex with chimpanzees?

Anonymous at Wed, 30 Oct 2024 11:27:44 UTC No. 16455761

>>16430089
A species is a consistent self-propagating pattern, anon.
>asexual yeast in your mother's vagina: same pattern, same species
>male & female: infertile if isolated; pattern goes MFMF instead of AAAA
>mules: not self-propagating; irregular
>virus: still not self-propagating; generally irregular
>chihuahua: not self-propagating; requires human control to not revert to generic 3rd world default yellow dog

>>16430146
>sturddlefish have an advantage of being externally fertilized
If only we could all be so lucky.

Anonymous at Wed, 30 Oct 2024 11:28:45 UTC No. 16455763

>>16452558
Well now that's really got the ol' noggin' joggin'.
...
Olive trees are too Mediterranean; can you recommend a less swarthy tree species?

Anonymous at Wed, 30 Oct 2024 17:36:23 UTC No. 16456036

>>16454923
They do, but most matings aren't successful. Thats why the ones which are become noteworthy.

Anonymous at Wed, 30 Oct 2024 19:39:17 UTC No. 16456150

>>16419875
>then why can't humans breed with chimpanzees
can't they?
did you try anon? try harder next time and look for fertile human women champ

Anonymous at Wed, 30 Oct 2024 19:41:22 UTC No. 16456154

>>16419914
>Humans and Chimpanzees differ in some major ways
that is because human are hybrid specie
>>16419982
stabilization theory

Anonymous at Wed, 30 Oct 2024 19:43:04 UTC No. 16456155

>>16420014
wait
is this image suggest that not all mules are infertile? that some are fertille and can produce offspring?

Anonymous at Wed, 30 Oct 2024 20:15:15 UTC No. 16456203

>>16456155
Yeah. A while back I was studying Latin and found a collection of what I view as the Roman equivalent of newspaper/tabloid headlines. Amongst things like "Jove Smites Own Temple Door", "Rock Falls From Heaven And Kills Man", and "Soothsayer Sacrifices 10-Year-Old Hermaphrodite" there's "Mule Gives Birth". (Sorry, my neglected Latin is not up to the task of finding the citation.) Everything else can be explained, but what could this be but my own mis-translation? But Wikipedia indeed confirmed the rare possibility.

Anonymous at Wed, 30 Oct 2024 20:16:48 UTC No. 16456208

>>16456203
>"Rock Falls From Heaven And Kills Man"
my bad
t.rock

Anonymous at Wed, 30 Oct 2024 20:18:13 UTC No. 16456209

>>16420014
>>16456203
huh
mccarthy stabilization theory may be real after all

Anonymous at Wed, 30 Oct 2024 20:33:43 UTC No. 16456217

>>16452558
Oh yeah in addition to being Alpine it's gotta be dioecious; anything else is gay.
Please respond this is the only chance I have of achieving fatherwood.

Anonymous at Wed, 30 Oct 2024 20:47:33 UTC No. 16456235

>>16422670
this is why interspecies/interracial copulation is so gross
that's not "cute", this is genuinely unnerving