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Anonymous at Sat, 12 Oct 2024 06:13:27 UTC No. 16422430
I can't really comprehend this. Surely there is no one who is 5, right? Maybe you can't form an apple completely from your imagination, but you can remember what an apple looks like, right? What's the difference?
Anonymous at Sat, 12 Oct 2024 06:25:13 UTC No. 16422443
>>16422430
I used to be a 2 but social media makes me a 4 :/
Anonymous at Sat, 12 Oct 2024 06:33:27 UTC No. 16422449
Ig I’m 5 because when I close my eyes it’s only black. I can’t superimpose things onto my vision like I hear people say. Ofc I remember what an apple looks like. I don’t “see” an apple when I think of one though, like there’s no visual image of one that is projected onto my perception. Kinda sucks but it’s the way it’s always been even before screens and shit, didn’t realize until middle school when someone told me that when they read fiction it’s as if they are actually inside the scene.
Anonymous at Sat, 12 Oct 2024 06:40:41 UTC No. 16422452
>>16422449
For people who are a 5,
After you see a movie, do you feel you discuss it more or less than your other friends after the movie. Or does it like just pass through you?
Anonymous at Sat, 12 Oct 2024 06:55:34 UTC No. 16422463
>>16422430
It's all semantic confusions. Everyone experiences the same thing, but the inherent abstractness of mental visualization makes people arbitrarily choose whether they call what they experience "visualizing" or not.
It's just midwits arguing about labels, as so many things are. I don't get how that isn't apparent to more people.
Anonymous at Sat, 12 Oct 2024 07:04:50 UTC No. 16422472
>>16422463
Eh, some people diffidently can image more details than others, and create scenes from books and be drawn in.
I agree the whole “no inner voice thing” is a complete semantic confusion though. If you read the study that came from the methodology is fucking retarded and doesn’t imply what they said it did at all.
Anonymous at Sat, 12 Oct 2024 07:06:00 UTC No. 16422474
>>16422472
This. Also people want to be special. There are whole youtube etc communities of people circlejirking about being aphantasic.
Anonymous at Sat, 12 Oct 2024 07:07:20 UTC No. 16422475
>>16422474
I mean this >>16422463
Anonymous at Sat, 12 Oct 2024 07:23:02 UTC No. 16422480
>>16422463
>Everyone experiences the same thing
How do we know that?
Anonymous at Sat, 12 Oct 2024 07:24:28 UTC No. 16422481
>>16422472
Being able to understand well enough what they are told to visualize and filling in the gaps is what some people have difficulty with. Probably complexity is a gatekeeper too. However, I think everyone is capable of fully visualizing to the extent of their understanding of something.
Anonymous at Sat, 12 Oct 2024 07:51:35 UTC No. 16422496
>>16422481
Sure, some people who have trouble rotating things in their head, which tend to make them bad engineers, or so I am told.
People self segregate a lot more then people realize, you get filtered into careers/friendgroups/hobbies that are within a range of yourself, so people forget how completely useless some people are because they never talk to them
Anonymous at Sat, 12 Oct 2024 11:34:28 UTC No. 16422620
>>16422496
They may struggle to figure out what the other perspective would look like, but everything they imagine they still "see" like anyone else.
Anonymous at Sat, 12 Oct 2024 12:37:28 UTC No. 16422661
Anonymous at Sat, 12 Oct 2024 12:38:45 UTC No. 16422664
>>16422496
Consider that reading is bashed into brains from an early age. Consider that they don't spend one minute on visualization, memory, or even fucking logic.
Anonymous at Sat, 12 Oct 2024 13:37:20 UTC No. 16422724
>>16422661
Kek
Anonymous at Sat, 12 Oct 2024 15:43:08 UTC No. 16422892
>>16422449
>when I close my eyes it’s only black
That's how it is for everyone, unless you are hallucinating or experiencing hypnogogia as when falling asleep. You would have to be malfunctioning somehow to confuse your visual perception with anything.
Anonymous at Sat, 12 Oct 2024 15:44:21 UTC No. 16422895
>>16422892
Well I am hallucinating then. Sucks to be you I guess.
Anonymous at Sat, 12 Oct 2024 15:49:48 UTC No. 16422918
>>16422895
Yes having the mental bandwidth to simultaneously process visual stimuli and abstract thought at the same time is my endless torment.
Anonymous at Sat, 12 Oct 2024 16:02:44 UTC No. 16422942
>>16422430
I am a 5. I do get flashes of 1 that feel real than reality itself once in a blue moon of random events or people, but never of anything I am in control of. When I try to control it I am a 5. Naturally, I can discuss what an apple is and what it feels and tastes like I just never visualize the process like a powerpoint slide in my minds eyes.
>>16422452
Of course, discussing themes and events and subtle nods is elementary. You're having a midwit moment.
Anonymous at Sat, 12 Oct 2024 18:38:25 UTC No. 16423284
>>16422449
>Ofc I remember what an apple looks like. I don’t “see” an apple when I think of one though,
So when you remember what an apple looks like but don't see it what is happening in your head? What is it about the apple that you're remembering?
Anonymous at Sat, 12 Oct 2024 18:40:30 UTC No. 16423287
>>16422430
I range from 1 to 5 depending on how sleep-deprived I am.
Anonymous at Sat, 12 Oct 2024 18:55:08 UTC No. 16423327
>>16422430
I don't get how anyone could be 2,3,4. Those are 2d artistic simplifications, do these people have a canvas and paints inside their brain?
Anonymous at Sat, 12 Oct 2024 19:21:58 UTC No. 16423373
>>16423327
I think it’s just ment show amount of detail. With 4 specifically being shape without color.
Anonymous at Sat, 12 Oct 2024 19:28:39 UTC No. 16423386
>>16422463
>>16423327
Most people are bad at conceptualizing things they think they understand well.
Asking people to draw a working bike is a famous example.
But there are others, most people have no idea how a toilet works if you ask them to diagram it.
Most people are just working with a jumbled impression of the physical world.
Anonymous at Sat, 12 Oct 2024 19:36:45 UTC No. 16423406
>>16423386
Yeah sure, but those jumbled impressions are not the same as 2d artistic simplifications. One thing about 2,3,4 is they are complete concrete images. Whilst the jumbled impressions people have are not forming a complete image, more like a bunch of disjointed fragments. People fail to draw bikes because there are no 2d images in the brain to draw.
Anonymous at Sat, 12 Oct 2024 19:39:50 UTC No. 16423412
>>16423386
Btw this is how a bike frame actully looks.
Anonymous at Sat, 12 Oct 2024 19:42:39 UTC No. 16423420
>>16422463
/thread
Anonymous at Sat, 12 Oct 2024 19:47:23 UTC No. 16423432
>>16422430
some people have trained visualization or art at all like
>>16422449
this doesn't make them an "NPC" it only makes them incompetent at imagery
Anonymous at Sat, 12 Oct 2024 19:47:50 UTC No. 16423433
>>16423420
Stop same fagging, it obviously wasn’t /thred
Anonymous at Sat, 12 Oct 2024 19:57:08 UTC No. 16423452
>>16422430
I am a 5.
When I read it's just words. All of the descriptive writing I pretty much skip as it's irrelevant to me. Not being able to visualize is actually why I prefer non-fiction, as descriptive writing is a rarity there.
Anonymous at Sat, 12 Oct 2024 20:03:14 UTC No. 16423467
>>16423452
What’s the difference between knowing and visualizing.
Like I am sure you know what is on the back of a quarter without looking?
So you know but can’t see?
Anonymous at Sat, 12 Oct 2024 20:10:59 UTC No. 16423480
>>16423467
I got no clue what the details of any coins are except the value. I can't recall any faces, room, memory, etc. I can only recall logical facts.
Anonymous at Sat, 12 Oct 2024 20:14:18 UTC No. 16423488
>>16423480
So if you see a photo with friends and strangers in it, you can’t recognize your friends?
Anonymous at Sat, 12 Oct 2024 20:16:07 UTC No. 16423492
>>16423488
If I see a photo yes, but idk what their faces look like. A friend of mine has acne, blonde hair, maybe coloured eyes and is shorter than me. But there is no face in my head
Anonymous at Sat, 12 Oct 2024 20:21:07 UTC No. 16423502
>>16423492
Thank you for replying.
I have another question.
So you understand /have the platonic ideal of blond hair, and acne, at least in words, but it doesn’t downgrade to a specific (imperfect) version of it in memory? Seems efficient
Anonymous at Sat, 12 Oct 2024 20:21:23 UTC No. 16423504
>>16423467
I am freaking out. I see this particular feature on quarters, but when I start digging through images online there are a bunch of weird merchant-like pictures of Washington with big honker and all kinds of other weird traits.
We're skipping timelines boys.
Anonymous at Sat, 12 Oct 2024 20:26:53 UTC No. 16423510
>>16423504
It's fine, it's just a big anglo honker. People used to be more active and had larger noses just from normal breathing. It's when it wide at the bridge or the tip hooks downward that you should be concerned.
Anonymous at Sat, 12 Oct 2024 20:28:09 UTC No. 16423513
>>16423502
Platonic ideals or elements of a set, whatever you wanna call it. It certainly is 'efficient', but idk if its the best method. Its probably more useful to be able to conjure up images that are approximations than to remember the details.
Anonymous at Sat, 12 Oct 2024 20:32:28 UTC No. 16423517
>>16423504
They redisgen his chin to look like something more before the wooden teeth, “to make him appeal to kids more” I M not joking
B00T at Sun, 13 Oct 2024 09:43:36 UTC No. 16424583
No. Final
Anonymous at Sun, 13 Oct 2024 13:49:29 UTC No. 16427581
If you believe in aphantasia you are sadly on the losing side of the global litmus (consciousness) test
Anonymous at Sun, 13 Oct 2024 14:03:18 UTC No. 16427727
>>16422942
>>16422449
>>16423452
Sounds terrible. Can you draw things from memory? How do you solve complex problems without imagining whatever it is you're dealing with in 3d space?
Anonymous at Sun, 13 Oct 2024 21:02:15 UTC No. 16429422
People with aphantasia are just normal people who are too retarded to understand what people mean when they say "mind's eye"
Anonymous at Sun, 13 Oct 2024 22:48:07 UTC No. 16429677
Extremely rare IRL
But, only moderately rare online, with occasional followers who identify as this.
Sort of like ADHD and the identify trait.
The concept was a psychological ruse/project.
They did the forums and memes,... everything
Anonymous at Sun, 13 Oct 2024 23:58:29 UTC No. 16429841
I am probably a 5. I was once on medication that gave me hallucinations, including hallucinating faces. it was fucking spooky. the notion that people walk around with this shit all the time is disturbing. and then I learned that people with phantasia will use it while masturbating, like imagining attractive people, or people they know. fucking gross
Anonymous at Mon, 14 Oct 2024 06:03:17 UTC No. 16430370
I used to be far above a 1, able to visualize complex objects/simulations in my mind without problem. I OD'd on mdma though and now I'm a 5. I spend most every night trying to reclaim what I lost. I feel like such an NPC. This is far worse then when I lost my sense of smell for a few years
Anonymous at Mon, 14 Oct 2024 06:03:59 UTC No. 16430371
>>16422430
>Different people think about things differently
Anonymous at Mon, 14 Oct 2024 06:13:33 UTC No. 16430375
Is it only visual? Does aphantasia also include the inability to imagine other sensory inputs?
Anonymous at Mon, 14 Oct 2024 06:15:41 UTC No. 16430377
>>16429841
Yeah, it feels like you're the only normal person around, whereas everybody else is a schizo.
Anonymous at Mon, 14 Oct 2024 07:28:13 UTC No. 16430447
>>16430375
you mean phantasia schizos can also imagine stuff like tastes and smell[spoiler]z[/spoiler]? if I say fart do you then smell the fart? fart fart fart fart fart
Anonymous at Mon, 14 Oct 2024 13:26:44 UTC No. 16430856
>>16430375
I always figured people were either lying or misunderstanding the question when they claimed to clearly "see" visual memory, but I do have very good audio recall which seems to be just as abnormal to many. When I was little I would "listen" to albums in my head when I couldn't sleep. My dad is the same apparently.
Anonymous at Mon, 14 Oct 2024 13:45:54 UTC No. 16430871
>>16430856
It is the same concept except better in every way.
Anonymous at Mon, 14 Oct 2024 14:26:18 UTC No. 16430939
>>16422430
I am 5. I don't remember what an apple looks like, I remember what qualities an apple has, such as:
>roughly spherical
>color ranging from red to yellow to green
>tastes sweet
>has a stem
And a bunch of other qualities that my mind subconsciously knows. That's how I recognize an apple or can describe one.
Anonymous at Mon, 14 Oct 2024 14:33:58 UTC No. 16430957
>>16430856
photorealistic memory is a myth and no one can visualize an object with 100% fidelity. If they could, then artists wouldn't have to break things down into simple geometric shapes like boxes to build up accurate anatomy, Literally every artist that has ever lived used some form of reference, whether it's from life or from a photo. When photography was invented, people took photos of horses in movement and a bunch of artists went back and changed their paintings that included horses to be more accurate. if you look at paintings before photography was invented, shit like horses and other animals all look a bit weird because of how difficult it was to capture them in motion.
I've had 15 years of figure drawing myself and I still use photo reference to fill in the gaps of my knowledge. I can get a pretty realistic figure straight from my head but it will still be a little off and I specialize in sexy pinups so I know the female figure pretty fucking well.
Anonymous at Mon, 14 Oct 2024 14:42:54 UTC No. 16430971
It’d be cool to actually visualize what’s in your imagination, like with color and whatnot, but I’m sure we’re speaking strictly of the “vividness” of the black image, right?
Anonymous at Mon, 14 Oct 2024 14:53:29 UTC No. 16431003
>>16422430
Same thread every week.
If you have any form of memory, you are doing this without realizing it. You are not hallucinating shit.
Anonymous at Mon, 14 Oct 2024 14:58:38 UTC No. 16431015
>>16422463
Does your apple have yellow on it or not, anon?
Anonymous at Mon, 14 Oct 2024 15:38:23 UTC No. 16431118
>>16430939
>That's how I recognize an apple
so when you see a picture of an apple you go through the list and match the characteristics? seems inefficient. for most people they can recognize an apple unconsciously in a matter of milliseconds
Anonymous at Mon, 14 Oct 2024 15:44:21 UTC No. 16431134
>>16431118
None of what I described takes place in the conscious mind. It all happens automatically.
Anonymous at Mon, 14 Oct 2024 15:45:38 UTC No. 16431136
>>16431118
>for most people they can recognize an apple unconsciously in a matter of milliseconds
That's literally what the anon said. Your brain sees all those characteristics and thinks "APPLE" even in milliseconds without consciously thinking about it.
If you brain wasn't looking for specific characteristics of objects then it wouldn't be able to recognize them, now would it?
Anonymous at Mon, 14 Oct 2024 15:48:13 UTC No. 16431142
>>16431136
As a side note, my brain does not do this for people's faces. I'm faceblind and can't even recognize my own family in a public setting most of the time. It does however look for other clues, like glasses, clothing, and hair style. But for the face itself, my brain just doesn't recognize characteristics of people's faces and it's embarrassing a lot of the time. People recognize me and I just think "who the fuck are you."
Anonymous at Mon, 14 Oct 2024 15:51:27 UTC No. 16431159
>>16431142
When I see someone I can identify them (if I know them) but I can't actually picture what they look like in my mind. Probably why I'm so bad with faces/names.
Anonymous at Mon, 14 Oct 2024 20:27:02 UTC No. 16431720
>>16430370
I used to have 1 as well as a child and could vividly imagine. But now, it is lost. I blame caffeine and depression.
Anonymous at Mon, 14 Oct 2024 20:33:25 UTC No. 16431740
>>16422430
Everyone is 1, this is just more meme bullshit
Anonymous at Mon, 14 Oct 2024 20:40:45 UTC No. 16431766
>>16431740
>he doesn't know how to use the shells
Anonymous at Mon, 14 Oct 2024 21:00:36 UTC No. 16431815
>>16431740
If everyone is a one then everyone would be a master artist. You would be able to do the same for a dog or horse but if you ask any artist to draw a dog or horse they will need reference of some kind.
People are more like 3 but with color.
Anonymous at Mon, 14 Oct 2024 21:19:58 UTC No. 16431855
>>16422430
The more autistic you are, the more you tend towards the left side. Males on average are more on the left side. Further to the right side is more generalization, to the left it is more specificity. Im mildly autistic, so more to the left, although not completely, so a 2 maybe?
A 5 is what I would call a verbalfag. A 0 would be a hardcore autist, lacking most ability to generalize. Its a tradeoff between visual and verbal. I guess each has its merits
Anonymous at Mon, 14 Oct 2024 21:28:30 UTC No. 16431875
>>16431855
If I look at it again, Im more like a 1...
Anonymous at Mon, 14 Oct 2024 21:48:08 UTC No. 16431901
>>16431855
I'm autistic and I'm a 5
Anonymous at Mon, 14 Oct 2024 22:41:18 UTC No. 16431977
>>16431901
I fell you anon, although I have the tism.
Anonymous at Mon, 14 Oct 2024 23:35:58 UTC No. 16432060
>>16423504
>but when I start digging through images online there are a bunch of weird merchant-like pictures of Washington with big honker and all kinds of other weird traits.
>We're skipping timelines boys.
no, you just finally found out about adam weishaupt
Anonymous at Mon, 14 Oct 2024 23:38:21 UTC No. 16432063
>>16430939
can you draw an apple?
Anonymous at Tue, 15 Oct 2024 00:31:36 UTC No. 16432114
>>16432063
Yes. I'm also a mechanical engineer.
Anonymous at Tue, 15 Oct 2024 05:36:22 UTC No. 16432411
>>16422430
I used to be a 1 but then i got tinnitus and now I'm a 5.