Anonymous at Sat, 12 Oct 2024 21:58:15 UTC No. 16423626

>>16423623
For what, the Dog particle?

Anonymous at Sat, 12 Oct 2024 22:02:04 UTC No. 16423632

>>16423623
Hey guys remember when the "Higgs Boson" was the secret to the particle universe and they "found" it and nothing happened? It's all fucking fake. Particle accelerators are one of the biggest wastes of resources (including land space) in human history.

🗑️ Anonymous at Sat, 12 Oct 2024 22:08:17 UTC No. 16423643

>>16423623
That sounds like the stupid idea of the average PhD in Physics would thing about.

>you see, in the sea you can make a very straight and large pipe very very cheaply!
Those fucking retards are completely detached from reality, Math PhD tier...

Anonymous at Sat, 12 Oct 2024 22:09:29 UTC No. 16423645

That sounds like the stupid idea of the average PhD in Physics would think about (aka mental onanism).
>you see, in the sea you can make a very straight and large pipe very very cheaply!
Those fucking retards are completely detached from reality, Math PhD tier...

Anonymous at Sat, 12 Oct 2024 22:16:07 UTC No. 16423655

>>16423632
>Particle accelerators are one of the biggest wastes of resources
Don't forget racetrack and golf courses.

Anonymous at Sat, 12 Oct 2024 22:17:39 UTC No. 16423658

https://youtu.be/QzFMDS6dkWU

Anonymous at Sat, 12 Oct 2024 22:30:51 UTC No. 16423673

>>16423623
>A particle accelerator spanning the known universe could help unlock the secrets of the universe

Anonymous at Sat, 12 Oct 2024 22:47:19 UTC No. 16423696

>>16423623
If a particle needs a trillion dollar collider to exist, then it cannot possibly have any industrial or commercial applications. The public will never benefit from this project, it exists only to satisfy the curiosity and wallets of academics.

DEFUND IT.

Anonymous at Sat, 12 Oct 2024 22:51:28 UTC No. 16423702

>>16423655
When funded by tax payers, undoubtedly.

Anonymous at Sat, 12 Oct 2024 23:01:19 UTC No. 16423714

>>16423673
The final solution to the Particle Physics question.

Anonymous at Sat, 12 Oct 2024 23:03:57 UTC No. 16423719

>>16423714
>Muh public
Yeah, that money could be going towards Israel or building a few basketball courts.

Anonymous at Sat, 12 Oct 2024 23:08:02 UTC No. 16423722

Shit, >>16423719 meant for >>16423696

Anonymous at Sat, 12 Oct 2024 23:11:50 UTC No. 16423728

>>16423632
>nothing happened
the Standard Model was fully confirmed. Particles cannot be intrinsically massive and participate in the nuclear interactions. The Higgs was a workaround for that and it turned out to exist in nature.

The Higgs wasn’t the only goal of the LHC. The LHC has now ruled out minimal supersymmetry, so string theory came under a lot more scrutiny. The LHC has also yielded results in heavy particle collisions, refining our knowledge of the strong nuclear force, which is the least well understood.

Anonymous at Sat, 12 Oct 2024 23:12:09 UTC No. 16423730

>>16423719
Or you could just abolish income tax for the working class.

Anonymous at Sat, 12 Oct 2024 23:26:47 UTC No. 16423742

>>16423728
The Higgs is the fakest "discovery" in all of scientific history. It's literally the most fucking important particle in the universe, which nobody could find and then oh hey wow look we found it and nobody has talked about it since. It's literally a lie.

Anonymous at Sat, 12 Oct 2024 23:30:36 UTC No. 16423748

NEW PARTICLE HYPE

LFG!!!

Anonymous at Sun, 13 Oct 2024 17:23:51 UTC No. 16428849

>>16423696
>curiosity
nobody tell him

Anonymous at Sun, 13 Oct 2024 17:41:55 UTC No. 16428902

sigh..... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1qju6V1jLM

Anonymous at Sun, 13 Oct 2024 18:14:16 UTC No. 16428980

>>16428849
Why do you want to kill cats?

Anonymous at Sun, 13 Oct 2024 18:18:10 UTC No. 16428990

>>16423742
Nobody could detect it because it’s very heavy. Its contribution to particle interactions is very small outside of the resonant energy at which the LHC found it.
>nobody has talked about it since
Do you see people talking about the W boson or the top quark? Those were important discoveries of their times. But once those discoveries are made, the hype dies down and people focus on refining the data.

Anonymous at Sun, 13 Oct 2024 18:18:42 UTC No. 16428992

>>16423728
30 quadrillion experiments, without any supporting data for the equipment. How is this science?

Anonymous at Sun, 13 Oct 2024 18:22:34 UTC No. 16429006

>>16428992
>30 quadrillion experiments, without any supporting data for the equipment
Wtf are you even trying to say here?

Anonymous at Sun, 13 Oct 2024 19:07:37 UTC No. 16429147

Physics has become too expensive. In the past experimental and theoretical physics worked hand in hand, many important discoveries appeared from experiment and it was down to theoretical physicists to piece together a model from the results after the fact. Now that doing science is so expensive experimental projects only receive funding if there is a strong theoretical case, which leaves experimental physics stuck behind the theory. I don’t think that we can ever “unlock” new knowledge if we don’t try new things but nobody is going to let you dig up half of switzerland unless they’re guaranteed results. I don’t know what another option is but I don’t think that our model of science is really fit for purpose any more.

Anonymous at Sun, 13 Oct 2024 21:05:13 UTC No. 16429435

TWO MORE COLLISIONS BRO
TWO MORE WEEKS
JUST TWO MORE COLLIDERS BRO WE GOT THIS LETS GOOO

Anonymous at Sun, 13 Oct 2024 21:17:34 UTC No. 16429467

Lizard people need a new portal to Saturn?

Anonymous at Sun, 13 Oct 2024 23:14:13 UTC No. 16429738

>>16423623
>>16423696
>>16423728
>>16429435
stop being pussies
just build a plank-scale collider and we can be done with it. dont act like theres no possibilities at higher energies
sure theyre expensive but the engineering that goes into them has other applications. like in lithography, etc

Anonymous at Sun, 13 Oct 2024 23:34:12 UTC No. 16429783

we could get so many colliders for all the money sent to ookraine and pissrael so I say build them

Anonymous at Mon, 14 Oct 2024 00:18:37 UTC No. 16429880

>>16423623
We gonna ever see a single dollar return on all these multi billion dollar donuts or you physfags gonna keep asking for gibs till end of time?
Fyi nobody actually gives a shit about your models. If you don't conjure up an anti matter reactor or two down the line the nuclear cred you been running on all these time from last gen is going to dry up sooner or later.

Anonymous at Mon, 14 Oct 2024 06:40:19 UTC No. 16430393

>>16429738
I am personally against new colliders. We have clear evidence of beyond SM physics from neutrino oscillations. There’s a clear avenue for exploration with neutrino observatories such as DUNE of IceCube unlike these gazillion dollar colliders where we may or may not find something. The LHC had a clear purpose behind it while these proposals do not. It’s just pushed by people who spent their careers in this hyperspecialized field and want to keep the grant wheel rolling instead of changing research priorities.

Anonymous at Mon, 14 Oct 2024 08:12:26 UTC No. 16430479

>>16430393
>The LHC had a clear purpose behind it while these proposals do not
grug bash tiny rocks together. look for new rock. or no new rock, which also interesting

Anonymous at Mon, 14 Oct 2024 08:20:24 UTC No. 16430487

>>16430479
The purpose was to either confirm or reject the Standard Model. It confirmed it. The secondary purpose, to either confirm or reject minimal supersymmetry was also achieved. No evidence was found. So it’s a successful experiment that achieved its goals. Unlike these new colliders that don’t have one. Their whole schtick is “we may or may not find something beyond SM”.

Neutrino oscillation experiments do have a clear goal and that goal directly has to do with beyond-SM physics. To accurately measure the mixing parameters in order to sieve out an appropriate beyond-SM model that explains neutrino masses.
>grug bash tiny rocks together. look for new rock. or no new rock, which also interesting
Congratulations, you just described how science or curiosity in general works.

Anonymous at Mon, 14 Oct 2024 09:04:12 UTC No. 16430534

>>16430487
I am a simple man. I see more TeVs, I like

Anonymous at Mon, 14 Oct 2024 09:39:22 UTC No. 16430568

>>16430487
>Congratulations, you just described how science or curiosity in general works.
No, physics of colliding particles can't describe everything in the universe. Your well cum

Anonymous at Mon, 14 Oct 2024 10:42:27 UTC No. 16430638

>>16430568
don't all forces unify at high enough energies?

Anonymous at Mon, 14 Oct 2024 11:17:06 UTC No. 16430670

>>16430568
Never said it can. I’ve made two posts saying I’m against new colliders if you haven’t noticed.

Anonymous at Mon, 14 Oct 2024 11:18:07 UTC No. 16430671

>>16430638
They don’t have to.

Anonymous at Mon, 14 Oct 2024 12:43:55 UTC No. 16430789

>>16430671
more electronvolts would tell us that they definitely don't below those energies, no?

Anonymous at Mon, 14 Oct 2024 12:54:38 UTC No. 16430805

>>16430789
The smallest unification energy due to the Georgi-Glashow unification was ruled out due to bounds on proton decay. And it’s already around 10^12 TeV. There is little hope to observe anything between the Higgs scale and those enormous ones using direct particle collisions.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desert_(particle_physics)

Of course a way out would be to find a GUT with no proton decay or at least proton decay above the Planck scale. Such theories aren’t minimal and predict a ton of new particles that we don’t observe.

Basically, we already have a BSM phenomenon observed in nature, the neutrino oscillations, so why focus on colliders?

Anonymous at Mon, 14 Oct 2024 13:01:27 UTC No. 16430821

>>16430805
>10^12 TeV
nice, that's like cramming the energy of a .50 BMG into a single proton

Anonymous at Mon, 14 Oct 2024 13:02:05 UTC No. 16430823

>>16423623
These fuckhuge structures are getting so big, their usage and maintenance so expensive, that sooner or later, those experiments can only be conducted in totalitarian countries, who can spend their money however they want, and utilize slave labor to shrink the costs, and demolish homes that stand in its path, because they dgaf about the common good.
There has to be a better way.
Why not build one on the Moon or Mars? Plenty of space out there. And if it creates a black hole or something, it would have some distance to Earth, and might give us time to make a plan to destroy it.

Anonymous at Mon, 14 Oct 2024 13:05:56 UTC No. 16430825

>>16430823

Anonymous at Mon, 14 Oct 2024 16:21:42 UTC No. 16431276

>>16430825
Using a soi image means you're right.

Anonymous at Tue, 15 Oct 2024 05:25:34 UTC No. 16432404

you people need to figure out controlling gravitic energy so contained microfusion replaces hydrocarbon burn, if that isn't the only singular fucking goal I don't want to hear it

Anonymous at Tue, 15 Oct 2024 05:29:11 UTC No. 16432407

Particle acceleration is one of the biggest examples of how human intelligence is inherently paradoxical

Anonymous at Tue, 15 Oct 2024 05:57:34 UTC No. 16432428

>>16423742
>if pop science rags don't talk about it, then it's a fucking lie!

Anonymous at Tue, 15 Oct 2024 06:06:29 UTC No. 16432439

>>16430805
why is proton decay such a big deal and how do people know protons dont decay?
Like, you cant just check every proton. Maybe somewhere in the universe a proton decays every 1000 years

Anonymous at Tue, 15 Oct 2024 06:20:16 UTC No. 16432460

>>16423623
There has to be some bigger picture situation going here.

Maybe the ultimate goal is to have millions of particle colliders and accelerators act in unison to perform some larger task. But the trick is the price tag is like $20-50 Trillion to fund it all? So no one is willing to foot the bill all at once.

Anonymous at Tue, 15 Oct 2024 06:22:42 UTC No. 16432464

For me, it's the Canadian Light Source in Saskatchewan

Anonymous at Tue, 15 Oct 2024 07:16:10 UTC No. 16432508

>>16432439
>why is proton decay such a big deal
some theories predict it
>how do people know protons dont decay
they build giant vats underground to minimize background radiation, fill them with the purest water known to man, surround the vat with very sensitive detectors, and then filter out any known interactions. Coincidentally, neutrinos needed to be filtered too so this design became the standard for neutrino detection while proton decay is just something secondary now. Even if it isn’t observed, we can still put theoretical bounds on it. See the Kamiokande detector in Japan.

Anonymous at Tue, 15 Oct 2024 09:39:52 UTC No. 16432636

Consider the value of scientific discovery.
Everything discovered, no matter how small, is permenant.
Every discovery made inches us are closer and closer to the heavens.

For over a thousand years the Romans had the resources to create the industrial revolution in the bronze age.
But they chose not to invest in science and engineering.
They saw no economic gain from it. They mocked the Greeks for wasting their time with things like geometry and astronomy.

We should be dedicating our entire civilisation to science.
It is often the case that new discoveries do not find suitable use cases until centuries later. The lathe was invented as far back as ancient Egypt but it wasn't until the 1700s that man thought to apply it to metal rather than just wood. A similar case for the steam engine.

We would be colonizing the stars right now had we been focussed on science from the beginning instead of getting distracted in meaningless material gains

Anonymous at Tue, 15 Oct 2024 09:53:09 UTC No. 16432648

>>16432508
Seems like you need a bigger tank.
Maybe a proton has decayed somewhere in the universe, you just didnt see it

Anonymous at Tue, 15 Oct 2024 10:03:12 UTC No. 16432652

>>16432648
We put bounds on it if you didn’t read carefully enough. These bounds determine the Georgi-Glashow GUT scale among other things.

Anonymous at Thu, 17 Oct 2024 03:15:10 UTC No. 16435664

>>16423623
So much trissolarian propaganda in this thread.

Alien lovers have to go.

Anonymous at Thu, 17 Oct 2024 03:22:08 UTC No. 16435670

>>16423623
Why not just make it the size of the solar system?
I mean as long as we're going hog-wild.

Anonymous at Thu, 17 Oct 2024 03:27:07 UTC No. 16435680

>>16423623
Oh boy! How exciting! Another multi-billion dollar money-sink that grants absolutely zero utility or benefit to society and our daily lives!

But... BUT! There's a possibility, right? A possibility of "unlocking new physics!" We may discover a new useful(less) particle! All for the low, low, low price of 20 billion US!

Fuck these retards and fuck anyone stupid enough to fall for this continuing con-artist bullshit.
The people working at a fast food restaraunt provide more use to society than all these "String Theory" and "Theoretical Particle Physicists." That's not even hyperbole at this point either — as much as I wish it were. It's an objective fact.

These collider locations only serve as glorified paper-mills for smarmy douche bags to create mathematical fan-fiction and justify collecting a paycheck.
Their papers serve nothing.
Their job serves nothing.
Their research serves nothing.
They provide absolutely nothing.

They're modern day snake-oil salesmen attempting to con people into believing the "next big breakthrough" is right around the corner, if only they were given even more money.

Anonymous at Thu, 17 Oct 2024 20:49:46 UTC No. 16436931

>>16423728
practicality is wanting the giga collider so we can end the cult of string theory

Anonymous at Thu, 17 Oct 2024 21:39:21 UTC No. 16436998

>>16435680
You're still paying my salary, remember that wagie.

Anonymous at Fri, 18 Oct 2024 00:28:11 UTC No. 16437220

>>16423623
Far better than wasting the money in retarded shit holes like ukraine and israel, or throwing it into the shithole feeding poorfags.

Anonymous at Fri, 18 Oct 2024 00:29:24 UTC No. 16437223

>>16437220
Based AF.