🧵 Why it's so difficult to find a cure for alopecia?
Anonymous at Wed, 16 Oct 2024 13:21:23 UTC No. 16434330
Medical science is objectively the lousiest science, all we have are antibiotics really, the rest of the "cures" are just pitiful. You have cancer? Here poison and irradiate yourself in the off chance it might kill the tumor before it kills you!
Oh you have sore throat? We still don't really know what causes it and why we contract more in the winter, have some syrup and hot honey! What a travesty of a field
Anonymous at Wed, 16 Oct 2024 13:26:43 UTC No. 16434341
>>16434330
Medical science doesnt know anything. It only got lucky with the discovery of antibiotics and has been coasting on it for the past 100 years.
Anonymous at Wed, 16 Oct 2024 14:20:15 UTC No. 16434408
>>16434330
https://doi.org/10.3390/ijms2514761
https://doi.org/10.1038/s41598-022-
You're just retarded.
Sorry, bro.
Anonymous at Wed, 16 Oct 2024 14:24:47 UTC No. 16434413
>>16434408
Kys
Anonymous at Wed, 16 Oct 2024 14:25:12 UTC No. 16434414
>>16434408
Experimental cures that ''ameliorate'' hairloss = cure. This bs is not a ''cure'', if you dump coffee on your head it also slightly ''ameliorates'' your hair supposedly but it isn't going to cure your alopecia. You are the retard here
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/ar
Anonymous at Wed, 16 Oct 2024 15:23:57 UTC No. 16434511
>>16434413
>>16434414
>but- but it doesn't target the root cause so it's not a cure
Just like every single treatment ever invented.
But of course mister high estrogen bald mofo isn't happy with it.
It's just now fair that his genes suck while these basedence cucks spend billions to fix his dysgenic makeup.
They have to do it faster, or they are grifters and bad at their disciplines.
I really hope you get ED while all your treatments fail, and that you are Norwood 7 by the end of the year, faggot.
Anonymous at Wed, 16 Oct 2024 15:32:56 UTC No. 16434531
>>16434330
they do know can cause sore throats though! and i dont care about his hair loss, even if he had hair at one point. hes got a great personality and is fun
Anonymous at Wed, 16 Oct 2024 17:19:48 UTC No. 16434728
Cloning hair cells and implanting them is a permanent solution
Anonymous at Wed, 16 Oct 2024 17:33:24 UTC No. 16434762
>>16434728
Why aren't we doing it?
Anonymous at Wed, 16 Oct 2024 17:37:06 UTC No. 16434767
I repeat, it was shit
Anonymous at Wed, 16 Oct 2024 17:45:11 UTC No. 16434787
>>16434762
Because it would be antisemitic
Anonymous at Wed, 16 Oct 2024 17:45:57 UTC No. 16434790
>>16434787
-takes a nice poop on you-
Anonymous at Wed, 16 Oct 2024 21:55:11 UTC No. 16435282
>>16434728
>As of 2023, estimates for when there will be successful hair cloning for humans are around 2030-2035; recent advancements in stem cell research and follicle generation mean that balding may be solved in around 10 years.
Fuck this, I need it NOW
raphael at Thu, 17 Oct 2024 03:26:03 UTC No. 16435677
>>16434787
i dont think niggers afford it
Anonymous at Thu, 17 Oct 2024 11:10:29 UTC No. 16436089
>>16434330
>Oh you have sore throat? We still don't really know what causes it and why we contract more in the winter
Are you retarded?
Anonymous at Thu, 17 Oct 2024 11:23:13 UTC No. 16436099
>>16434330
Because the entire field of Biology has been wrong since 1883 with the rejection of inheritance of acquired traits. Biology is mostly a pseudoscience and completely lacks rigorous modelling.
See https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3cD
Anonymous at Thu, 17 Oct 2024 11:31:37 UTC No. 16436113
oh theres a cure alright but you guys dont wanna hear it
Anonymous at Thu, 17 Oct 2024 17:06:34 UTC No. 16436562
>>16436113
let's hear it
Anonymous at Thu, 17 Oct 2024 17:33:56 UTC No. 16436612
>>16434341
Ethics rules regarding human experimentation, even with informed consent, means progress in anything related to human medicine will be slow. Perhaps someone will discover how to grow afros on cows and somehow translate that back to humans.
Anonymous at Thu, 17 Oct 2024 21:20:27 UTC No. 16436981
>>16434787
This. $50 hair creams and viagra sales go directly to support Israel, our greatest ally.
Anonymous at Fri, 18 Oct 2024 00:25:03 UTC No. 16437214
>>16434330
LMAO, only fags give a shit about that.
Anonymous at Fri, 18 Oct 2024 03:26:09 UTC No. 16437390
>>16436612
>Country's gov has guidelines that allow human experimentation that can be pulled up and reviewed at any time.
>mUh eThIcS
Ok
Anonymous at Fri, 18 Oct 2024 18:01:38 UTC No. 16438348
>>16434330
Hair loss from aging is not a disease, it's just human biology.
Anonymous at Sat, 19 Oct 2024 18:13:17 UTC No. 16440084
>>16434330
we just don't know.
Anonymous at Sat, 19 Oct 2024 18:16:52 UTC No. 16440091
Make the movement and investment my way like you said but whatever I can think of that's better. I'll talk soon if I find this possible.
Anonymous at Sat, 19 Oct 2024 18:56:51 UTC No. 16440161
>>16434330
It’s just not a super high priority. Finding a cure for baldness (like unironically from a medical perspective, not counting meme medieval alchemy) only became a thing in the 80s-90s, and it’s not exactly a thing with the highest budget.
Most hairloss prevention medication like finasteride or minoxidil has only been discovered by accident and was originally intended for different things.
Finding the actual cause of hair loss also has been difficult and we aren’t even fully there yet.
TLDR: too little time, not enough info yet, not a high priority/budget
I can imagine hair loss being fully cured in this century tho. If we define cure as something like „you can regrow hair in areas where you’re bald“
Anonymous at Sat, 19 Oct 2024 19:01:12 UTC No. 16440171
>>16440161
Also if you want the closest thing to a cure right now: minoxidil and a hair transplant, finasteride if you want to go the extra mile and accept the risks.
If your hairline is not past a Norwood 3 it’s basically the equivalent of a cure.
Anonymous at Sun, 20 Oct 2024 12:46:08 UTC No. 16441102
>>16434330
There is a very simple cure.
Everybody who starts balding in their 20s needs to kill themselves.
Problem solved.
Anonymous at Mon, 21 Oct 2024 12:27:03 UTC No. 16442449
>>16434330
Medicine is a regulatory-captured guild profession. Aside from trauma surgery, its primary objective is enriching big pharma, insurance companies and hospital corps. It is only nominally a science. At one time there was art involved but any artist these days will probably lose his licence.
Anonymous at Mon, 21 Oct 2024 13:52:45 UTC No. 16442539
>>16440161
oral minoxidil and finasteride have worked so well for me that I probably won't get a hair transplant now.
The finasteride risks are minimal esp. at only 1 mg daily. Most sexual dysfunction data comes from using finasteride in BPH, which affects men 50+. Firstly, they're old and a lot of them have ED already. Secondly, they're on a higher 5 mg dose. In populations being treated for hair loss, sexual dysfunction occurs in 1%. I have not had any issues.
Anonymous at Mon, 21 Oct 2024 14:24:56 UTC No. 16442579
FUE (follicular unit extraction) is a more modern and better method than the old one - FUT (follicular unit transplantation). Of course, to keep the new hair you need to take finasteride and minoxidil.
And like all treatments, you need to start early. Otherwise, baldmaxx like Jason Statham, Bruce Willis and the cast of Breaking Bad. Bald acceptance is high in today's society.
Anonymous at Mon, 21 Oct 2024 14:32:29 UTC No. 16442585
>>16436113
>>16436562
https://www.reddit.com/r/askscience
>>16438348
aging is a pathology, godtard.
Anonymous at Mon, 21 Oct 2024 15:00:49 UTC No. 16442613
>>16434330
I posted a suggestion of an experimental idea of applying topical antiandrogens and topical estrogens to regrow hair about a month ago but the jannies nuked the thread for some reason.
I decided to try it and I'm already seeing growth in the NW0 areas after only a single month.
Before idiots lash out at this idea, you should remember that dutasteride inhibits both testosterone and DHT, so is already an antiandrogen, and topical estrogen for hair growth is already on limited markets as alfatradiol.
I'll post pics (and hope not to get jannied again) if this pace of regrowth continues because I saw new baby hairs sprouting and begin to grow in the NW0 area in less than one month which is insane to me. Zero side effects so far.
Anonymous at Mon, 21 Oct 2024 15:04:32 UTC No. 16442617
>>16442613
>topical antiandrogens and topical estrogens
I assume based spironolactone the dragon and trad alpha-Chad alfatradiol? Or u on some more abstruse non-systemically active topical trooning shiznit?
Anonymous at Mon, 21 Oct 2024 15:06:05 UTC No. 16442618
>>16441102
Baldig genes are in X chromosome men ingerit from mother.
In other wordsz you would need to kill 2/3 of women as well. Includong the gf you don't have.
Anonymous at Mon, 21 Oct 2024 15:09:35 UTC No. 16442622
>>16442613
>alfatradiol
Just use the enzime that will transform your free testosterone into a weak form of estrogen... ehy won't you castrate yourself at this point? What is more, studies on alfatradiol showed very little result.
Anonymous at Mon, 21 Oct 2024 15:11:01 UTC No. 16442623
>>16442617
I bought packs of spironolactone pills on a brief trip to a country where they're very cheap and unregulated, and ground them into a 2% solution, 3:1 distilled spirits to water ratio, and then just apply a face cream with estradiol and estriol to the scalp. Alfatradiol is mixed with minoxidil and I want to know whether it's the estrogen itself which causes rapid regrowth. But as far as I know, minoxidil regrowth takes 4-6 months. This is very definite growth in only one month, so the difference is big.
I also want to try adding finasteride or dutasteride topically. Spironolactone blocks the receptor as far as I know, but fin and dut go after the hormone itself. I think you could combine them for a really strong effect. But starting now may make the results less convincing.
>>16442622
Because I'm seeing rapid regrowth and zero side effects. I don't really care about other people's opinions.
Anonymous at Mon, 21 Oct 2024 15:13:40 UTC No. 16442628
>>16442623
>I also want to try adding finasteride or dutasteride topically.
Since you are already getting good results and it seems like trying not to actually troon, maybe try this instead.
Anonymous at Mon, 21 Oct 2024 15:21:10 UTC No. 16442636
breast cancer is the only thing that gets funding lol
Anonymous at Mon, 21 Oct 2024 15:21:54 UTC No. 16442638
So it turns out Kaempferol is a ridiculously potent type 2 5-ARI as phytochemicals go, fairly close to fin and dut. 100g of capers apparently contains about 259mg of Kaempferol, which is a huge amount compared to other potential dietary phytochemical 5-ARIs.
Are capers the ultimate hair-maxxing food, or will overconsumption of them turn you into the vegan version of fintroon gĂĽevedoces?
Anonymous at Mon, 21 Oct 2024 16:06:20 UTC No. 16442685
>>16442638
this characterization of their putative properties as a medicinal food looks both a little promising and sketchy at the same time: https://www.rxlist.com/supplements/
Healthline lists the main concern as sodium consumption (some stores have a low-sodium variety though), but I'm not sure how deep on the endocrinology literature they went: https://www.healthline.com/nutritio
Anonymous at Mon, 21 Oct 2024 17:21:03 UTC No. 16442789
>>16442628
Why do you think there was zero progress on this combination since 1988 study?
And no, not rhetorical question. I'm being curious.
Anonymous at Mon, 21 Oct 2024 21:18:12 UTC No. 16443110
>>16442789
I'm actually sort of curious and confuse too why this combo isn't being sold as a hair serum at every boomer pharmacy. There was a patent filed on it back in 2018 with min, caffeine and retinol added that got abandoned (maybe for obviousness?): https://patents.google.com/patent/U
Some websites claim that there was more recent research on it, but I can't find any on that exact combo. My best guess is that this is an intellectual property issue, the pharma jews cannot make enough money off selling cheap unpatentable generic shit, so they didn't bother funding big human trials.
Anonymous at Tue, 22 Oct 2024 09:56:44 UTC No. 16443884
>>16434330
Hot take but I don't believe MPB is even majority genetic now. If you look at Asians, balding used to be rare pre mid-20th century. After they westernised, they started balding much earlier. Genes can't change that quickly. It's clear there is a big environmental factor which is probably more important than the genetic factor.
What's more, inflammatory issues are on the rise all over, and it's accepted this is due to modern lifestyles. Balding is actually an inflammatory issue as well. DHT actually acts as an anti-inflammatory agent, so it's possible it goes like this:
environmental factor -> chronic inflammation -> DHT accumulates -> DHT sensitivity in head hair cells causes hair loss
What's also a mystery is why male sex hormones trigger hair growth everywhere on the body, but seem to cause baldness on the scalp.
Anonymous at Wed, 23 Oct 2024 15:58:01 UTC No. 16445861
>>16443884
>Hot take but I don't believe MPB is even majority genetic now.
What about people with 5-alpha reductase deficiencies though? Don't they prove that those enzymes are pathogenic when they don't bald with the enzymes knocked our or knocked down by mutation(s)?
Anonymous at Wed, 23 Oct 2024 16:17:34 UTC No. 16445894
Look into Apigenic Health, my DHT flashes stopped as soon as I started. Almost a year since then and I can feel roots coming in. Rentry.co/CR_General
>>16442585
lol, lmao even. Take this shit for a month then come back to me.
Anonymous at Wed, 23 Oct 2024 17:11:36 UTC No. 16446001
>>16445894
so the main thing I have gathered from that site's textwall pubmedschizo ramblings and examine.com's apigenin article is...
>march on down to the grocery store and buy a bunch of parsley?
Anonymous at Wed, 23 Oct 2024 18:33:38 UTC No. 16446136
>>16445894
Hey dude, could you upload a picture of your latest DNA methylation test result?
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 06:17:48 UTC No. 16446850
>>16445861
No I don't think it's entirely environmental, clearly genetics are a significant factor. But if you look at for example Asian people, it was not so common for them to go bald. But now it's nearly at the rate of western countries. And it's getting much earlier as well.
Of course it must be genetically possible, because for example women will not usually experience pattern hair loss, but obviously environmental factors are becoming bigger and bigger.
One for example is sugar consumption. It's sometimes said that if you get hair loss early, you should be screened for diabetes. It's because there is a link with problems with insulin resistance. It's in some way like male PCOS. And if you look at sugar consumption now, it's obscene compared to the past.
In fact studies have also shown that there appears to be a statistical link between high consumption of sugar in the diet and earlier hair loss, so it appears to be a trigger. Still, you need the genetic possibility for this, but it is clearly a link.
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 09:43:01 UTC No. 16446948
The cure has been found: it's a hair transplant.
I don't get why people still discuss alternatives if there is something with a 99+% success rate. There is no pill, injection, or treatment that will ever match this success rate, because they are indirect half-solutions.
It's like wanting a pill/jab to heal a broken bone instead of simply putting the arm on splints.
Sure, sci-fi solutions like cloning are even better than just picking off your hair from places where it doesn't matter. But imagine the Turkish clinic where they clone your hairs. It ain't gonna happen in the near future, and it will always be the more complicated version.
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 10:48:07 UTC No. 16447011
>>16446850
We know that high insulin increases dht in body including scalp. That's why plasma injections or growth factor serums actually accelerate hair loss despite initially increasing the volume by a lot.
So yea, you didn't discover anything. We know that inflamation and insulin increase dht by a lot...
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 11:23:29 UTC No. 16447048
>>16445861
They need to acknowledge that there are different racial groups with relatively radically different androgenic profiles before unwinding the whole alopecia ecosystem.
Medical science is fucking shit. 100 years ago they thought the human body was just a car made out of meat. "dietary fiber" to scrub out your gummed up fuel and coolant lines mechanically, dry skin means you need to rub petroleum lubricant into it. People get fat because their food is too tasty. Absolute bullshit.
Anyway, middle-easterns are high DHT, low T. Germanics are high T, low DHT. I use those two because they're the obvious opposites.
DHT causes more obvious masculinization, i.e. facial feature exaggeration, male pattern baldness, body hair.
T doesn't.
Prostate health is more important to maintain T/DHT health than people realize. But it goes on from there, anything touched by the hypothalamo/gonadal axis affects T/DHT. i.e. gallbladder, thymus, etc.
Female pattern baldness in Asia is at the same rate as male pattern baldness. We're not going to get anywhere in medicine unless we bring back race based science.
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 11:25:55 UTC No. 16447049
>>16446948
>We've cured lost limbs. Simply cut an unused limb from the other side of the body and transplant it to the affected side.
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 20:12:45 UTC No. 16447793
>>16447049
>nah man, just like pound the stump into pavement a bunch and it'll totally grow back from le microfracture
>t. /x/ medicine
Anonymous at Fri, 25 Oct 2024 08:36:20 UTC No. 16448619
>>16447011
Of course a post online isn't a fucking scientific discovery you dope, I explicitly said that these are known facts. The entire point of this is that we have an enormous amount of evidence pointing to the fact that environmental factors are becoming an enormous problem in accelerating baldness and it is clear genetics cannot be the cause.
Anonymous at Fri, 25 Oct 2024 16:02:26 UTC No. 16449124
>>16448619
>enormous amount of evidence pointing to the fact that environmental factors are becoming an enormous problem in accelerating baldness and it is clear genetics cannot be the cause.
not mutually exclusive though; people can be at high genetic risk for baldness (like making abnormally high amounts of 5-AR enzymes), *plus* doing shit to accelerate it like eating a lot of inflammation-producing foods.
Anonymous at Fri, 25 Oct 2024 20:51:15 UTC No. 16449479
>>16446948
A hair transplant merely redistribuites hair around the head, it's not a ''cure'' because you have a modest amount of hair to redistribuite, they get hair from the back of your head and put them in the front and crown, and the end result is often awful where many fall off so you lost hair both in the back and in the front, calling this a ''cure'' is a mockery
Anonymous at Sat, 26 Oct 2024 09:45:36 UTC No. 16450255
>>16449124
I'm not claiming genetic predispositions to baldness do not exist. I've already said that.
But it is abundantly clear that there is an enormous environmental cause which must be driving baldness to occur earlier and earlier. Genetics cannot be the cause of accelerating baldness or even the increasing rates of baldness, because they're both increasing too rapidly.
Anonymous at Sun, 27 Oct 2024 13:30:00 UTC No. 16452109
>>16434330
In physics people assume there is a cow of even mass distribution in a vaccuum for a reason.
The human body is all jiggly and complicated.
Anonymous at Mon, 28 Oct 2024 16:24:43 UTC No. 16453681
>>16435282
2 more weeks......In the meantime, take this pp-shrinking, dick-limping pill, or slather some goy goo on your head. WCGW?
"The money is in the medicine, not the cure."; "Every patient cured, is another customer lost."
That's why all of "Modern Medicine" simply wants to "manage your symptoms" indefinitely. Literally, "subscription" subsistence.
Anonymous at Mon, 28 Oct 2024 16:29:19 UTC No. 16453687
>>16450255
"Baldness" is hormonal. If you have your receptors blocked by the wrong hormone, hair won't grow and falls out. We can't really change peoples' genome ex-post facto and screwing with peoples hormone levels is always dicey. We can do it, but you might become even more a weirdo than you are now, but with "good hair".
Why do you think Trannies always go mental? They're literally out of their "rational mind" on hormones. They are "hysterical". This is why women used to get a "hysterectomy" to physically remove the organs that were making them hormonally and insane.
"The only way to heal is with cold, cold steel."
Anonymous at Mon, 28 Oct 2024 16:55:54 UTC No. 16453719
>>16453681
>>16453687
stop posting like such a retard
Anonymous at Tue, 29 Oct 2024 20:19:26 UTC No. 16455175
>>16453687
>We can't really change peoples' genome ex-post facto
lol we actually can now, there just aren't approved treatments for balding yet, but we literally do this in Sickle Cell.
>and screwing with peoples hormone levels is always dicey.
it's far less black-and-white than that. some anti-androgens and 5-ARIs have good topical activity and low absorption leading to a good safety profile, others will absorb systemically and can have serious side effects.
>protip: I use mint extract (for eriocitrin), azelaic acid, zinc sulfate and vitamin B6 as topical DHT inhibitors.
Anonymous at Tue, 29 Oct 2024 21:08:55 UTC No. 16455247
>>16437390
The inalienable characteristic of "human rights" means it's impossible to do any human experimentation of note
Anonymous at Tue, 29 Oct 2024 21:14:49 UTC No. 16455255
>>16434330
It's called a Wig
They've been a thing for over 5000 years now
Anonymous at Tue, 29 Oct 2024 22:54:26 UTC No. 16455369
>>16434341
We can literally transplant a heart from one person to another
We can replace your heart valves with mechanical valves via a wire from your groin.
That’s fucking crazy and you’ve just gotten used to it
Anonymous at Thu, 31 Oct 2024 02:28:19 UTC No. 16456551
>>16455255
Glue some other guy's dead hair on your head, great solution. Also I'd imagine you need to change the wig often because the dead hair cut off from any blood/nutrition go bad and start to smell like shit
Anonymous at Thu, 31 Oct 2024 02:36:21 UTC No. 16456558
>>16434330
non-androgenic alopecia is an autoimmune disease where the immune system attacks the hair follicle itself. Transplanting new hair follicles is useless as the immune system will just start attacking the transplant. The immune processes attacking the hair follicles themselves are nonspecific and, therefore, cannot be properly targeted without compromising the patient long-term (i.e., making them immunocompromised). Androgenic alopecia is due to a stagnated growth phase in response to androgens in certain patients with a genetic vulnerability. The androgens compromise the follicle, making it difficult to produce structurally intact hair. You can block the production of these androgens with finasteride, but with a host of side effects when used at the dosage needed to restore hair production, but often, the follicle itself is already miniaturized from prolonged androgenic exposure to the point of no return. But we HAVE cured androgenic alopecia. Literally, get a hair transplant and use finasteride to prevent the DHT (androgen) from miniaturizing the new follicle. There's no autoimmune process attacking the follicles either. It's curative.
Anonymous at Thu, 31 Oct 2024 02:37:45 UTC No. 16456560
>>16449479
where are you even seeing this type of result? Look in the literature. It's curative for the vast majority of people.
Anonymous at Thu, 31 Oct 2024 02:41:57 UTC No. 16456565
You essentially need a multi gene acceptable product. It's much like how some "cures" for things work for some people and not others. I hate politics but commies got into science and technology and just pretended everything and everyone is the same. We are not and this is why we are in the state I'm in.
Source: Read literally 1000s of Scientific Research papers and patents oh and about 5000 books.
Anonymous at Thu, 31 Oct 2024 02:50:29 UTC No. 16456576
>>16434330
>Oh you have sore throat? We still don't really know what causes it
This shit drives me crazy.
>Why does every illness give you a sore throat?
>Uh idk the viruses are attacking your throat tissues or something? One of God's little mysteries.
>Why do they give you a headache
>hmmm. Probably your blood vessels? Someone should look into it.
Anonymous at Thu, 31 Oct 2024 11:55:06 UTC No. 16456841
>>16456560
Go on hair transplant forums, you will find endless patients complaining about the poor results of their transplants. A hair transplant is not a cure, you are taking hair out of the back of your hair (making that area less dense as a trade off) and putting them in the front and vertex, results can be also dicey where not all the grafts implanted grow. To call hair transplant "curative" is laughable, also finasteride only slows down the process of miniaturization, it doesn't altogether stop it, you are just buying time essentially but the hair are still getting worse just at a slower pace, finasteride is no cure either.
Anonymous at Thu, 31 Oct 2024 12:04:31 UTC No. 16456843
>>16446001
Hmm i should drink chamomile every night, with honey and milk, honey has anti-fibrotic propreties as well.