Anonymous at Wed, 16 Oct 2024 17:10:51 UTC No. 16434694

>builds you a house that appears to withstand a thousand years for the next 100 years.
After that it'll fail and I'll be long dead while having spent all your money :^)
#no_refunds

Anonymous at Wed, 16 Oct 2024 17:19:09 UTC No. 16434723

>>16434672
Pyramid. You can choose between the square or the triangle foundation, I guess the roof is a single point at the top of the capstone, and you can drill in some windows, etc at your discretion.

Anonymous at Wed, 16 Oct 2024 18:12:15 UTC No. 16434842

>>16434672
You can make one of stone or for that budget concrete. It will have to be massive for that size and floorplan. A two story cube should do.

Anonymous at Wed, 16 Oct 2024 18:39:33 UTC No. 16434898

Ooh I love this topic. Here's my idea:

>start with a massive footing made from the biggest granite blocks you can get delivered. They should be resting on the bedrock or otherwise buried at least 10 feet down and come up to 1-2 feet above ground level
>build the walls on top of that from solid granite blocks, at least 1 foot thick
>windows should have massive sills that project out from the wall several inches and have a nice tilted water tray that sheds rainwater far from the walls
>openings for windows and doors should be made with arches, or a big thick piece of granite as a top plate is acceptable for windows if the opening is narrow enough
>roof should be timber framed with oak or cedar and big thick slate tiles or maybe copper, all fixed with copper nails
>roof should have a foot of overhang all around to help shed rain far away from the walls
>windows should be thick single panes in aluminum frames, no vaccuum sealed windows because they will fog up inside after a decade or two
>the walls should be solid with no cavity, and in the inside there should be a stick frame wall built against the exterior walls with a few inches to put rockwool insulation and run utilities
>interior walls can be left bare stone or plastered
>utilities should be run through thick conduit pipes (like 2-3 inch diameter) so that if the wiring or plumbing needs to be replaced, or someone wants to run new ethernet cables or whatever, it's easy to do without having to tear up the walls
>bathrooms should have tiled floors and walls and have big lead or copper drain pans under the entire bathroom floor for the best possible water management
>floors should be made from 1-2 inch thick solid hardwood laid over oak beams (that way the floors can be refinished dozens of times without becoming too thin). Bonus points for not using tongue in groove so that it's easy to replace individual boards if need be.
Let's see, what else....

Anonymous at Wed, 16 Oct 2024 18:43:53 UTC No. 16434909

>>16434672
limestone, basalt and granite it is then

Anonymous at Wed, 16 Oct 2024 18:47:18 UTC No. 16434922

>>16434898
how do we solve the roofing promlem? my instinct is some sort of self supporting interlocking dome

Anonymous at Wed, 16 Oct 2024 18:49:38 UTC No. 16434929

>>16434898
>thick lead flashing for the roof and windows, soldered in on-site
>anywhere where nails or screws are needed, don't use steel, use stainless or copper fasteners for corrosion resistance
>front door needs to be mega solid, made from thick hardwood
>all hardware should be brass or copper if possible for corrosion resistance
>maybe build a sprinkler system into the ceiling for fire protection

Pros:
>Granite is a non porous stone so you don't have to worry about moisture as much, compared to brick or other kinds of masonry
>granite is hard and will resist wear basically forever
>more solid construction because the walls are solid, not cavity (I think; engineer anons feel free to correct me)
>massive footing to ensure the house doesn't shift at all, preventing cracks or collapse
>single pane windows will last forever

Cons:
>walls are going to be really thick once you include the interior cavity wall for insulation
>single pane windows will have a major negative impact on the overall thermal insulation of the house
>the floor is gonna have gaps between the boards no matter how tight they are at install

Can anyone else think of cons here, or improvements? Do any structural engineering anons know what kind of arches would be best for the windows, and if it would be better to use steel I-beams rather than wood?

Anonymous at Wed, 16 Oct 2024 18:51:32 UTC No. 16434933

>>16434929
It's a moot point, nothing but solid stone or concrete will last 1000 years without maintenance and if you plan to do maintenance then there's no point to make it last 1000 years

Anonymous at Wed, 16 Oct 2024 18:52:47 UTC No. 16434935

what about the Roman pantheon dome?

Anonymous at Wed, 16 Oct 2024 18:54:59 UTC No. 16434938

>>16434922
I've seen a church in England that is 700 years old and has the original timber and copper roof. Slate is of course a long life material, but I wonder if the thicker the slate the longer it lasts, or what the deal is with that.

Modern baked clay tiles that interlock (picrel) seem pretty solid too, I've seen them used in German construction and they are like an inch thick water resistant clay that fits together without fasteners.

Another big question for me is what's the best way to frame the ceiling. You could use steel I beams which have the advantage of strength and not being flammable but I wonder about rust. Whereas wood beams would theoretically last forever as long as they stay dry, I think.

Anonymous at Wed, 16 Oct 2024 22:11:28 UTC No. 16435317

>>16434672
this is really a solved problem. you're building out of stone or concrete. the most maintenance heavy part will be the electrics and the insulation. this is a solved problem; ancient structures degrade because of war, natural disaster, abandonement or no maintenance. the actual shape of the structure doesn't really matter.

Anonymous at Wed, 16 Oct 2024 22:29:59 UTC No. 16435351

>>16435317
of course it's going to be a masonry structure, but what needs to be figured out is the specifics such as the roof and how to make it all work with modern utilities. I'm not aware of anything being built anywhere that will last long term

Anonymous at Thu, 17 Oct 2024 00:11:19 UTC No. 16435521

>>16434672
the solution is wood you fucking retard
>and have modern plumbing, insulation and electrics.
no, just stop. you can live like a human being was designed to for several million dollars of exterior buildings and if the structure was done properly with timber it can last that long, but it needs maintenance of a careful eye, just like stone would too, but timber is truly livable if you were living in it. both could easily last that long.

raphael at Thu, 17 Oct 2024 03:29:05 UTC No. 16435681

>>16434672
just use gans nigger all the things you said are features kek

Anonymous at Thu, 17 Oct 2024 13:16:57 UTC No. 16436226

>>16435521
wood CAN last but there is a reason why there are very few OLD wood buildings compared to stone. Also fires would be catastrophic, but may not necessarily be in a stone house

Anonymous at Thu, 17 Oct 2024 15:05:17 UTC No. 16436422

>>16436226
>wood CAN last but there is a reason why there are very few OLD wood buildings compared to stone. Also fires would be catastrophic, but may not necessarily be in a stone house
well anyway, do you want to listen to OPs stupid neolithic proposal and your children will be cutting rocks or live like a god for 200 years? you'll be dead by 70 anyway

Anonymous at Thu, 17 Oct 2024 16:37:55 UTC No. 16436530

>>16434672
>generous budget
>several million dollars

Anonymous at Fri, 18 Oct 2024 13:37:02 UTC No. 16437874

With a budget like that best I can do is an underground steel bunker

Anonymous at Fri, 18 Oct 2024 17:29:24 UTC No. 16438292

>>16436530
>>16437874
>like $200k to get a whole bunch of granite delivered
>$200k on a big excavator and other tools like gas powered stone saw, big ass air compressor and pneumatic hammers
>$300k to hire 2 or 3 laborers for 2 years
not even at a million dollars yet and you could theoretically (and optimistically) have the solid stone shell of the house built, add another million to do the inside framed wall and roof and utilities.... yeah this is rough math and probably optimistic but hey.

Anonymous at Fri, 18 Oct 2024 19:53:15 UTC No. 16438524

>>16434898
Very through.
We could make the roof entirely stone, too, like the Greeks did for their temples. It's safe if you build it right, and sheds water very effectively if you do that part right, too.

Anonymous at Fri, 18 Oct 2024 19:56:18 UTC No. 16438527

>>16438524
Yes it is just a recommendation.

I'm sure there's some perfection in this resumê

Anonymous at Fri, 18 Oct 2024 19:57:36 UTC No. 16438530

>>16438524
The truth is like a yeshma cut sliding her hair out of the cut

Anonymous at Fri, 18 Oct 2024 19:59:51 UTC No. 16438533

>>16438524
It's all available the hell way, but a nice heavenly lesson remains hard to find.

-- until one day he comes --

Here's my disabled rationality

Anonymous at Fri, 18 Oct 2024 20:10:35 UTC No. 16438545

>>16434938
Tiles are great but would be in danger of getting blown off in once-in-a-hundred-years storms.

Anonymous at Fri, 18 Oct 2024 20:31:41 UTC No. 16438576

>>16438545
Stop holding my fart in and talk normal

Anonymous at Fri, 18 Oct 2024 20:48:51 UTC No. 16438599

>>16434672
I choose an underground spherical stainless steel bunker encased in concrete

Anonymous at Sat, 19 Oct 2024 02:02:15 UTC No. 16439127

Wars and looting are your worst enemy, so you better build deep underground and be as undetectable as possible. The thick stone base and walls could be a possibility, and I'd look into geothermal energy as a posible renewable source of clean perpetual energy, but i doubt that would last a millenia. You'd need to forget using plastic in wiring or any machinery as that dissolves in a few decades, unless it's some very specifically treated plastic. But I'd go for glass or ceramic wiring maybe.
The shape of the building should be calculated using computer modeling that simulates soil movement that would happen.
The finns(?) built nuclear waste storage bunkers deeeep within their cavernous bedrock and sealed it off, that is supposed to last millions of years, so it's doable.

Anonymous at Sat, 19 Oct 2024 03:18:26 UTC No. 16439233

>>16435351
no anon, none of this has to be worked out because it's already been done.
>work with modern utilities
you think all those old houses in europe are still lit by candle or something? and don't have flush toilets? what you do is drill a hole and run a cable. and that's actually it.

>I'm not aware of anything being built anywhere that will last long term
and what does that actually mean my boy? nothing, because modern housing is thrown up as cheaply as possible as quickly as possible. that doesn't change the fact that windsor castle was buillt in the 11th century and has electric lighting throughout.

Anonymous at Sat, 19 Oct 2024 12:20:16 UTC No. 16439606

>>16434672
That two story tall thing is what gets me.

I'd probably go with a conderblock barndominium. The cinder blocks would be filled with sand, and the exterior would be stone work and the interior would be wood framing.

Building it on top of a natural hill is an absolute necessity. Ideally also next to an open water source like a spring, but a well will be fine.

Foundation! Like the other anon said, go deep, and then go deeper, and then go even deeper. And then set the biggest fucking stones you can manage. Bituthene and French drains are also necessary.

Wood floor is much easier to fix when it breaks, but a concrete floor is harder to break. Textured concrete with blankets buried underneath is expensive, but it can be very warm and dry, and you won't slip when you're walking if it's wet. A wood floor may creak over time, but it won't crack or bust. It's literally six to one and half dozen to the other.

Roofs and walls and soffits and eaves and sills. These I would say are the worst things about a house. The customer wanting "low maintenance" can mean many things. A timber-frame house needs to be daubbed frequently, that is too much maintenance. If I design the house so that it can be replaced easily, does that mean I don't need to install "forever materials?" I'd probably install commercial-grade fixed pane windows that install from the interior with screws. No hinges or openings means less to break. I'd also install double doors or roll up doors in lots of places.

Your second story is a loft.

Metal roof of long single sheets of metal with no gaps for 20 feet. Then I'd probably cover it in tractor paint or something.

This client is going to have to pick between a thousand year house and something with curb appeal. I recognize not being a bunker, but maybe the client should provide some more desirable parameters for what they want aesthetically.

Anonymous at Sat, 19 Oct 2024 12:42:28 UTC No. 16439625

I've studied this as I own land and wish to leave a structure that will long out last me. I have many materials and styles I use but mostly I work in concrete and of course stone. Concrete can crack over long periods of time and those grow quickly with freeze thaw. Stone is the ideal choice and we look to history for validation of what indeed DOES LAST 1000 years. I arrive at one clear winner, Polygonal Masonry! Now all you need is a legit rock quarry and a few hundred stone masons working night and day and you're good to go. Concrete gets more stable and long lasting the thicker you pour it but when all is said and done stone is the better choice even if it's more work. All dressed perfectly and you won't even need mortar, just geometry and gravity. Nothing going to outlast stone.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polygonal_masonry

Anonymous at Sat, 19 Oct 2024 12:44:41 UTC No. 16439628

And to that I'd say no. Was she the real client? Is this a shift up?

Anonymous at Sun, 20 Oct 2024 00:03:56 UTC No. 16440490

>>16439606
I've been thinking about this all day. The utilities would need to still functional even in some kind of large societal collapse.

Wood fireplaces, maybe two or three of them. Definitely one of them in the kitchen. The chimneys would need to be easily maintained, probably some kind of fancy copper equipment or something. That seems like an interesting rabbit hole.

I wouldn't do any HVAC. I'd probably just go with one large cold air blower in the loft with an exhaust fan blowing out of the eaves or something. Temperature technology changes very frequently.

Exposed wiring and big spots for new utilities. Nobody in the 1900s could have envisioned the need for internet lines. I would openly anticipate some kind of new technology, and I would leave space for those things. Try to anticipate and expose all utilities, because maximum visibility =lower cost.

House waste would need to be just dumped into the river. That's the easiest thing. Any sort of field drain line will clog, septic tanks will bust and corrode, it will all fail. The only thing that will always work is just dumping it into a moving water source. Fuck the wildlife. Soap and turds and bleach, just straight into the river.

No trees that are taller than the building to where something can fall on the building.

No gutters. The structure would have a ten foot apron of sloped sidewalk that would just shed the water away. The splash line from the roof edge can have some pebbles to mitigate the splash. Rain would fall ten feet away from the structure into an easy to clean drain.

What an interesting thought.

Anonymous at Sun, 20 Oct 2024 20:43:11 UTC No. 16441667

>>16434672

Simple : build gas chambers. This way, no more degenerate architects.

Anonymous at Sun, 20 Oct 2024 21:49:43 UTC No. 16441754

>>16434842
Concrete won't even last 20 years before cracking like a dried river bed.

Anonymous at Mon, 21 Oct 2024 00:34:11 UTC No. 16441961

Could you engineer a house also designed to shield against solar flares?

Anonymous at Mon, 21 Oct 2024 02:25:41 UTC No. 16442063

>>16435521
t. D.R. "No Refunds" Horton

Anonymous at Mon, 21 Oct 2024 03:12:03 UTC No. 16442092

>>16434672
Traditional? No. Make it spiral/spirolateral with interlinking points on the outer vertices of the helix. Central core is where heating and cooling circulate alongside electric and water. Specifically due to gravity water should circulate from the main line on the portion lowest to the ground. The material should be strongest steel for inner frame, with emphasis of support at the points of stress in the spiral, particularly the midsection. Outer material could be varied but durability emphasized with adaptive insulation material. Rooms would be arranged in distributions of common areas at center with personal rooms on outer portions with balconies/porches. For densely populated areas, the interlinking mechanisms would permit these structures to interlock with one another; distributing the stress along the spirals while saving space. Each one would sequentially be oriented with gravity in mind of course, slightly varying the layout of each house.

Anonymous at Tue, 22 Oct 2024 13:11:56 UTC No. 16444077

Now build it in Minecraft.

Anonymous at Tue, 22 Oct 2024 13:21:44 UTC No. 16444088

>>16444077
Already did with my obsidian wizard tower

Anonymous at Tue, 22 Oct 2024 18:49:06 UTC No. 16444498

>>16441754
see>>16434935

Anonymous at Tue, 22 Oct 2024 19:03:50 UTC No. 16444524

>>16434672
You may not believe it, but in a village in my area a house for sale has been listed as 1000 years old.
Builidings several centuries old aren't rare at all around here.

Anonymous at Tue, 22 Oct 2024 19:06:12 UTC No. 16444531

>>16444524
there's a church near me that's 900 years old

Anonymous at Wed, 23 Oct 2024 23:12:19 UTC No. 16446500

>>16434672
Cast in place wall panels made from Roman concrete and basalt rebar in a post and lintel building. Utilities in embedded trenches in the panels, bottom floor and ceiling that are easy to upgrade over the centuries but don't detract from the clean slab look. Utility trenches double as recessed lighting maquettes.

Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 16:27:27 UTC No. 16447383

>>16446500
>basalt rebar
Okay now we are on to something interesting! I need to do some more research on the specifics of its manufacture, but at a glance it appears to be extruded/blown fibers of molten basalt that are then woven(?) into a rebar rod. It has the same thermal expansion coefficient as concrete and is literally 100% basalt rock as far as I can tell, so this would theoretically last just as long as the concrete it's in, right? That being literally thousands of years in some cases.

I wouldn't be interested in precast concrete wall panels personally, I'd much prefer coursed stone walls. But reinforced concrete could be extremely useful in a myriad of ways, such as support beams for the roof or floors, and much more... This could potentially even help meet earthquake safety codes and other building codes. Nice one anon.

Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 16:40:39 UTC No. 16447421

Im a risk taker

Anonymous at Sat, 26 Oct 2024 09:53:34 UTC No. 16450264

>>16434672
metaphysical house