Anonymous at Thu, 17 Oct 2024 18:38:17 UTC No. 16436726

>>16436625
>muh youtube
>your choices for the specialized topic are:
>a shitty lecture recording where you can’t see half the board and the guy just repeats a book chapter
>some conference talk where 90% were likely asleep and only attended for networking
>incomprehensible jeet ramblings in half English half Hindi
>pop sci crap where they don’t want to scare people with equations and do le cool graphics instead from which you learn nothing
>neither of these have exercises you can work on to solidify understanding
I’ll stick to textbooks.

Anonymous at Thu, 17 Oct 2024 18:47:30 UTC No. 16436756

>>16436726
much of what you said is true, but for example in CS I have a shit ton of options to learn online, like google courses, youtubers etc


when talking about science your point is even more right, but there are also websites like khan academy that teach you a lot of stuff.

isn't there a way to get cheap quality education in your opinion?

Anonymous at Thu, 17 Oct 2024 18:53:24 UTC No. 16436771

>>16436625
Once you're past the surface level, books are much better than Youtube videos. Fortunately I can find books online as well.

Anonymous at Thu, 17 Oct 2024 18:57:32 UTC No. 16436782

>>16436771

can i ask your sources? i use libgen with tails

Anonymous at Thu, 17 Oct 2024 18:58:21 UTC No. 16436785

>>16436782
usually libgen, then anna's archive if libgen doesn't have it

Anonymous at Thu, 17 Oct 2024 19:00:46 UTC No. 16436789

>>16436785
thank you brother, wish you the best in life

Anonymous at Thu, 17 Oct 2024 19:47:21 UTC No. 16436865

>>16436726
This

Anonymous at Thu, 17 Oct 2024 19:53:12 UTC No. 16436870

>>16436771
Hasnt been my experience desu. Videos are great for total noob stuff, after that you go straight to replicating patents.
Some books are ok when its a niche technical topic, but they're still a total trudge every time.

Anonymous at Thu, 17 Oct 2024 21:02:58 UTC No. 16436956

>>16436870
i agree with you, these days 90% of the stuff you need is online, the only reason I buy books is thanks to money I got since I passed school with max grades and I can only spend them on books

Anonymous at Thu, 17 Oct 2024 22:01:59 UTC No. 16437022

>>16436625
Usually (not always, but often), if someone's taken enough time out of their life to write a textbook, they've at least put a modicum of time and effort into trying to get a lot of difficult ideas across to readers in a way that makes sense and makes the difficult material easier to grasp and come up with a lot of good examples to practice working with that material.

Taylor's Mechanics, for example, isn't a good textbook because it has the equations for Lagrangians or Hamiltonians or accelerations in different coordinate systems or Lyapunov exponents for analyzing nonlinear systems... all of those things can be readily found online or in any number of other books. It's a good textbook because it does a phenomenal job of: Revisiting all of the topics from introductory-level mechanics and adding complexity to them in a way which is intuitive, but still motivates the development of the mathematical skillsets that will be necessary for more advanced physics problem-solving; laying the foundations for why the other formalisms of mechanics are necessary and, in many cases, preferable for approaching complex systems; and is filled with clever examples that don't skip over critical intermediary steps like Jackson or Goldstein (examples of poor textbook authors) have a tendency to do, as well as providing hundreds of solid problems that incorporate mathematical skills as well as computational skills.

The difference between knowing about material and actually knowing material is time, practice, and a good textbook.

Anonymous at Thu, 17 Oct 2024 22:11:04 UTC No. 16437033

>>16436625
Books are much easier to focus on and flip around in

Anonymous at Thu, 17 Oct 2024 22:11:09 UTC No. 16437034

>>16436625
Spoken like someone who's never needed to dive deeper than surface level on anything

Anonymous at Thu, 17 Oct 2024 22:33:09 UTC No. 16437056

>>16437034
I dove deeper in your mom

Anonymous at Thu, 17 Oct 2024 22:55:30 UTC No. 16437075

>>16437022
>Jackson or Goldstein (examples of poor textbook authors)
unironically filtered

Anonymous at Thu, 17 Oct 2024 23:21:10 UTC No. 16437104

>>16437056
You are a strange gimpoid of a man and you are not getting anything. Final.

Anonymous at Thu, 17 Oct 2024 23:29:34 UTC No. 16437119

>>16436625
>What is the appeal of keeping hard copies of vital information?
What are you, twelve?

Anonymous at Thu, 17 Oct 2024 23:43:18 UTC No. 16437143

>>16437104
i am getting your mom tho

Anonymous at Thu, 17 Oct 2024 23:43:30 UTC No. 16437144

YouTube's algorithm doesn't push good content most of the time.
Both video creator and consumer have to go through a lot of shit in order to help or be helped.

Anonymous at Thu, 17 Oct 2024 23:44:19 UTC No. 16437146

>>16437119
no im your mom's lover

Anonymous at Thu, 17 Oct 2024 23:49:29 UTC No. 16437153

>>16437022
thanks for your input friend, makes sense.

Anonymous at Fri, 18 Oct 2024 00:46:14 UTC No. 16437249

>>16437146
My mom was dead before you were born, you little prepubescent zoomer nitwit.

Anonymous at Fri, 18 Oct 2024 00:47:17 UTC No. 16437251

>>16437075
Jackson skips 95% of the intermediary steps of derivations and examples, even when those steps require non-trivial assumptions, leaps, or mathematical methods. You're better off piecing together the equivalent material from alternative sources.

Goldstein doesn't skip as much as Jackson, but still skips far too much. In addition, many of his examples are indecipherable and the third edition included a significant number of errors, some of them major (ex. his treatment of constraints in the second chapter was blatantly wrong and took several reprints to finally fix). Safko kept an updated site full of errata for the 3rd edition following his retirement, which was well over 600 entries by the time he passed.

Anonymous at Fri, 18 Oct 2024 01:05:19 UTC No. 16437260

>>16437251
That's because Jackson does mention the critical ideas, and aims to focus on the breadth of scope you need to really be good at that level. And at the level Jackson is aiming for, those intermediate steps are things you have to learn to handle yourself. It's just something which people need to be expected to be able to handle at some level, and 90% of the time when people have issues with Jackson it can actually be solved by reading the text carefully, and applying some thought. As for mathematical ability, that's not the focus of the text and any physicist should be responsible enough to know how to sort this out on their own.
Goldstein's copious errata is a valid issue, but he doesn't skip far too much - if anything he goes into too much unneeded detail.

Anonymous at Fri, 18 Oct 2024 01:15:22 UTC No. 16437274

>all this mathfag garbage
learn a real subject ffs

Anonymous at Fri, 18 Oct 2024 01:20:55 UTC No. 16437281

>>16436625
For me the advantage is that sometimes the electricity and/or internet don't work but if it wasn't for this problem I would never read a book again

Anonymous at Fri, 18 Oct 2024 01:58:50 UTC No. 16437320

>>16437249
my fault she was lame

Anonymous at Sat, 19 Oct 2024 01:47:12 UTC No. 16439114

>>16436625
I like books but I think it's a massive waste of paper and energy making so many, things would be better off being digital mostly. Maybe with an option to order a book of it is it's truly needed.

Anonymous at Sat, 19 Oct 2024 10:08:20 UTC No. 16439493

>>16437251
>I don’t get handheld in a graduate level book
>therefore book le bad
>P.S. I didn’t do the exercises

Anonymous at Sat, 19 Oct 2024 13:13:36 UTC No. 16439664

>>16436625
>why walk outside when I can just use a treadmill indoors

Anonymous at Sat, 19 Oct 2024 13:23:02 UTC No. 16439672

>>16436625
Youtube is shit. Few people used to make honest tutorials, now they are clickbait bullshit, they are extremely basic and they're simply not good. Store bought books are similar, the best option are old abandoned websites.

Anonymous at Sat, 19 Oct 2024 13:36:08 UTC No. 16439687

>>16436625
It gets difficult to operate a touchscreen in the bath with wet hands.

Anonymous at Sun, 20 Oct 2024 02:17:45 UTC No. 16440659

>>16439664

I can't walk i need to read a manual on how to walk!

Anonymous at Sun, 20 Oct 2024 02:40:58 UTC No. 16440683

>>16436625
>>16436726
>>16436771
Why not just read books online instead of buying them?
>>16437119
Keep them on your own hard drive
Paper books are more of a risk, touch wood. They take up more space and are made out of paper while a few hard drives can back up many books a few times
>what if the power goes out?
So you can sit in your dark room reading about physics or something? Maybe some books are good to have in that situation which is probably never going to happen in our lifetime

Anonymous at Sun, 20 Oct 2024 02:42:25 UTC No. 16440684

>>16436726
I like the conferences but I don't go outside much

Anonymous at Sun, 20 Oct 2024 03:39:57 UTC No. 16440733

>>16437251
>a graduate level book meant to get you up to research standard skips lots of intermediate steps
wow no way, tell me more about this shocking news

Anonymous at Sun, 20 Oct 2024 04:31:57 UTC No. 16440763

>>16436771
>Once you're past the surface level, books are much better than Youtube videos
And once you're past the next level, papers are better than books.

And once you're past that level...

Anonymous at Sun, 20 Oct 2024 04:51:57 UTC No. 16440775

>>16440683
>which is probably never going to happen in our lifetime
Oh, I think you're in for a little surprise.

Anonymous at Sun, 20 Oct 2024 14:02:43 UTC No. 16441197

>>16440775
You obviously know more than me so say whatever

Anonymous at Sun, 20 Oct 2024 14:04:48 UTC No. 16441201

>>16436625
>I am genuinely curious
you mean genuinely retarded

Anonymous at Sun, 20 Oct 2024 14:26:50 UTC No. 16441223

>>16439672
that sucks unfortunately.

Fortunately I found some nice websites that are book-ish and teach me stuff I want to learn, but it's unfortunate that with the internet becoming more and more accessible materials are becoming shittier and shittier

Anonymous at Sun, 20 Oct 2024 14:29:01 UTC No. 16441225

>>16441201

No i meant genuinely curious do you know how to read? are you an arab? a baran? a caran? the call comes inside the house

Anonymous at Sun, 20 Oct 2024 14:37:33 UTC No. 16441235

>>16440683
>Keep them on your own hard drive
Never had a hard drive fail on you I see.

Anonymous at Sun, 20 Oct 2024 14:41:50 UTC No. 16441246

>>16436771
This. Just borrow your books from friendly internet strangers, if you know what I mean. If you really like them, you can print them and bind them nicely at any print shop.

Anonymous at Sun, 20 Oct 2024 14:58:54 UTC No. 16441261

>>16441235
>a few hard drives can back up many books a few times

Anonymous at Sun, 20 Oct 2024 15:06:40 UTC No. 16441270

>>16436756
What I hate about the internet, funny enough, is how limited knowledge is. You want to learn something that is mostly not related to technology? Good luck, there is hardly anything on the internet.
Wanna learn how to sew? Gotta pay for a course, none on the internet.
Wanna learn mechanics? Same shit.
But for programming, there are thousands courses, billions of blogs teaching it, etc.

Anonymous at Sun, 20 Oct 2024 16:17:35 UTC No. 16441340

>>16441235
300gb hard drives are like $5 these days and can store thousands of books

Anonymous at Sun, 20 Oct 2024 16:34:47 UTC No. 16441353

>>16441270
exactly, shit like math, physics, mechanics and niche topics are remotely even covered and books are many times the only solution.

sucks to see how we are not decentralizing information nowdays.

🗑️ Anonymous at Sun, 20 Oct 2024 16:35:28 UTC No. 16441355

>>16441340
A homo holds a book too, and we don't buy you.

You wouldn't download a book bro

🗑️ Anonymous at Sun, 20 Oct 2024 16:36:29 UTC No. 16441356

>>16441353
Kys

Anonymous at Sun, 20 Oct 2024 17:51:57 UTC No. 16441428

>>16436756
>isn't there a way to get cheap quality education in your opinion?
>cheap quality education
You get what you pay for. Sucker.

Anonymous at Sun, 20 Oct 2024 17:54:10 UTC No. 16441433

>>16436782
>can i ask your sources?
Your tax dollars at work.

Anonymous at Sun, 20 Oct 2024 18:58:59 UTC No. 16441512

>>16441428

you're right, long live the free market!

Anonymous at Sun, 20 Oct 2024 19:00:09 UTC No. 16441515

>>16441433
are there areas with more lions? i like lions

Anonymous at Sun, 20 Oct 2024 20:25:39 UTC No. 16441645

>>16441270
Coming from insanely well documented systems and standardized/provable processes I get tilted every time I need to research any hobby or work I get into outside of my field.
>construction
Outright incorrect boomerism advice posts, "dude trust me" attitude, no proofs or documentation for interactions of materials with the environment, half-assed tutorials, impossible to find an over room temp IQ person to discuss anything with.
I want my house to last generations with minimal maintenance and great functionality, anything below civil eng literature in terms of accessibility is unreliable.
>cooking
Uppity chef cunts with silver spoons up their ass, tiktok clickbait or recipes with single mom lovestories instead of just ingredients and processes.
Historical french literature or talking to a baker are the only reliable sources.
>sewing
Thank god for the threads around here.
>cycling
Egomaniac culture, childish brand wars, basically the culmination of consumerism.
Luckily, tool description stickers are the furthest you need to research to cover 99% of operations and repairs, anything else is just snobs arguing about whose carbon buttplug is more aerodynamic.

Anonymous at Sun, 20 Oct 2024 21:45:36 UTC No. 16441745

>>16437251
If jackson included all the steps for all the shit in there it would be 10000 pages long. It may not be perfect for babby's first learnings but there's no other book with the content of jackson. And it has good problems that rly make u think

Anonymous at Sun, 20 Oct 2024 21:48:53 UTC No. 16441752

>>16441645
>he doesn't use an ultralight water-filled titanium buttplug for extra thermal mass