Anonymous at Fri, 18 Oct 2024 06:20:10 UTC No. 16437489

>energy has mass
Not exactly. Energy is not the same as inertial mass. E=mc^2 tells you how much energy in principle an inertial mass m could be converted to. It does not mean that all energy is inertial mass.

Anonymous at Fri, 18 Oct 2024 07:46:34 UTC No. 16437549

>>16437481
Basically what >>16437489 said. If you play with definitions, you could call mass a form of energy, but energy doesn't actually weigh anything.

Now try to figure out how photons have momentum.

Anonymous at Fri, 18 Oct 2024 07:48:53 UTC No. 16437550

>>16437481
because the full equation is E^2 - p^2 = m^2 and photons have momentum

Anonymous at Fri, 18 Oct 2024 09:00:58 UTC No. 16437594

>E = mc^2, the most famous equation
>... is wrong

Anonymous at Fri, 18 Oct 2024 09:02:23 UTC No. 16437596

>>16437594
It only holds in the stationary frame. Photons (and massless particles in general) don’t have one because their speed is non-zero in all frames.

Anonymous at Fri, 18 Oct 2024 09:03:41 UTC No. 16437597

>>16437549
>Now try to figure out how photons have momentum.
Well according to quantum schizos photons do not have a position or a momentum. These do not exist. All you have is a wave function. The proability of finding a photon here or there with a speed such as this or that is meaningless. There is no such thing as position.

These genius /sci/ math-schizos who purport to understand physics because they goon to gauges and strings told me as much.
Since there is no such thing as position there is no such thing as weight. And if there is no weight there is no interaction with mass. So mass does not exist either.

Anonymous at Fri, 18 Oct 2024 09:05:17 UTC No. 16437598

>>16437596
>speed is non-zero in all frames
This has never been experimentally verified. All frames are a lot to cover, and higher energy frames are unfeasible to ever check out.

Anonymous at Fri, 18 Oct 2024 09:08:14 UTC No. 16437600

>>16437598
Michelson-Morley experiment
crackpots are really tiresome. There’s only a handful who ever go beyond early 20th century concepts.

Anonymous at Fri, 18 Oct 2024 09:09:50 UTC No. 16437602

>>16437597
>t. I have no knowledge of quantum mechanics
position and its conjugate momentum are perfectly well-defined operators in Hilbert space arising from translation invariance of the system. Classical values correspond to expectation values of those operators

Anonymous at Fri, 18 Oct 2024 09:13:10 UTC No. 16437607

>>16437602
>t. I
literally told you this was you /sci/
lmao deflect and reverse offender and victim MORON

Anonymous at Fri, 18 Oct 2024 09:14:52 UTC No. 16437610

>>16437600
completely irrelevant experiment

Anonymous at Fri, 18 Oct 2024 09:15:05 UTC No. 16437612

>>16437607
>you claim X
>no, I don’t claim X
>haha told you so

Anonymous at Fri, 18 Oct 2024 09:16:08 UTC No. 16437613

>>16437610
>an experiment that confirmed equivalence of the speed of light in different inertial frames is irrelevant to my point about the speed of light never being observed invariant

Anonymous at Fri, 18 Oct 2024 09:18:44 UTC No. 16437616

>>16437613
Yes.

Anonymous at Fri, 18 Oct 2024 09:19:33 UTC No. 16437618

>>16437549
Momentum is just magnetism

Anonymous at Fri, 18 Oct 2024 09:19:55 UTC No. 16437619

>>16437616
based. I admire your confidence in spite of your retardation.

Anonymous at Fri, 18 Oct 2024 09:22:21 UTC No. 16437622

>>16437549
>Now try to figure out how photons have momentum.
Electric field accelerates charge perpendicular to the direction of wave movement. Moving charge gets pushed in the direction of wave movement by the magnetic field via the Lorentz force

Anonymous at Fri, 18 Oct 2024 09:28:47 UTC No. 16437626

>>16437597
omg so random le epic troll xdddd
quantum xisters did we get too heckin cocky??! LOL!!!

Anonymous at Fri, 18 Oct 2024 09:39:10 UTC No. 16437633

>>16437481
they arent massless.

Anonymous at Fri, 18 Oct 2024 09:41:05 UTC No. 16437634

>>16437598
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-RUHhCzgxI

Anonymous at Fri, 18 Oct 2024 09:52:15 UTC No. 16437641

>>16437634
Tell me about the experiment conducted in a lab moving at 0.999C again. What journal was it published in, was it Schizo Meds Journal '96?

Anonymous at Fri, 18 Oct 2024 10:22:21 UTC No. 16437661

>>16437641
>Tell me about the experiment showing a monkey evoluve into a human. Did the voices in your head do it? Obviously not. Evolution is just a geuss!

Anonymous at Fri, 18 Oct 2024 10:39:05 UTC No. 16437668

>>16437600
The Michelson-Morley experiment can't confirm the existence or non-existence of an aether and it can't say anything about the invariance of the speed of light.
The crackpot John Bell agrees.
Source: Speakable and Unspeakable in Quantum Mechanics

Anonymous at Fri, 18 Oct 2024 10:47:50 UTC No. 16437676

>>16437622
Wow, that actually makes a lot of sense. When an electron moves, its momentum changes, and for momentum to be conserved something else must accelerate in the opposite way. The photon is just the exchange of momentum between charged objects. Neat.

Anonymous at Fri, 18 Oct 2024 10:49:05 UTC No. 16437677

>>16437481
>>photons are massless
only when they stand still (only when they have no energy to move (which is never))

Anonymous at Fri, 18 Oct 2024 11:57:01 UTC No. 16437745

>>16437668
The MM experiment could have confirmed the existence of the aether. It can be argued that it's not sufficient to disconfirm it (though I don't believe that)

Anonymous at Fri, 18 Oct 2024 12:08:24 UTC No. 16437763

>>16437745
If all particles are waves propagating in a medium with a max propagation speed of c, we have no chance of ever proving or disproving the constant speed of light/aether.
People didn't know that this might actually be the case when they did the experiment.

Anonymous at Fri, 18 Oct 2024 12:10:46 UTC No. 16437765

E = mc2 holds only in rest frame. Photons have no rest frame.

Anonymous at Fri, 18 Oct 2024 12:12:00 UTC No. 16437770

>not posting the full equation
e = mc2 + AI

Anonymous at Fri, 18 Oct 2024 12:31:49 UTC No. 16437798

>>16437661
>is just a geuss!
*guess, you illiterate monkey

Anonymous at Fri, 18 Oct 2024 12:34:24 UTC No. 16437804

>>16437668
>her eye will also be contracted

holy kek

Anonymous at Fri, 18 Oct 2024 12:39:16 UTC No. 16437811

>>16437804
It's just a consequence of all the electric fields getting pancaked

Anonymous at Fri, 18 Oct 2024 13:01:00 UTC No. 16437824

>>16437677
Since redshifted photons reaching us is an experimentally verified fact, imagine a photon that will show up here with a wavelength larger than the diameter of the observable universe at this time. Then it it will simply skip our local reality entirely as if we did not exist. Furthermore if the universe is infinite in size then there are photons with infinitesimal frequencies, or 0. So what happens there?

Anonymous at Fri, 18 Oct 2024 13:14:01 UTC No. 16437843

>>16437824
>redshifted photons reaching us is an experimentally verified fact
Until you're the one who verified it, you're nothing but a parrot parroting this stuff.
Instead of imagining that weird stuff, which is funny, ngl, try to imagine the other interpretation of the obsevable facts.

Anonymous at Fri, 18 Oct 2024 13:16:39 UTC No. 16437847

>>16437798
Kek, nice bait

Anonymous at Fri, 18 Oct 2024 13:30:13 UTC No. 16437863

>>16437847
>he thinls i wasa merelty pretending to be retardet

Anonymous at Fri, 18 Oct 2024 13:43:28 UTC No. 16437888

>>16437481
dont tell this to anyone, but photos have a mass. it is very obvious and you can even make physical experiment in your home to verify it.

take a lightbulb, unscrew it and take away all the insides. now put a thin sheet of aluminium inside and glue one piece around a tube inserted on a needle, so it can rotate. now put the bulb back together and suck out the air from it. now just put the bulb into dark room and wait for the aluminium inside to stop spinning due to leftover inertia energy.

and now just use any weak laser and shine at the aluminium inside. it will start spinning. this proves that light has a mass (momentum) l. if it was just pure energy as the theoretic physis cucks claim, then all this would acomplish is heating up the tinfoil inside the bulb. it would never be able to physically move it.

it also explains why light is affected by gravity and why it travels slower through air or water than in vacuum. but as i said, never ever show this experiment to theoretic physicist, they hate it because it breaks their nonsense math theories.

Anonymous at Fri, 18 Oct 2024 13:49:07 UTC No. 16437896

>>16437888
See >>16437622

Anonymous at Fri, 18 Oct 2024 13:54:08 UTC No. 16437902

the fun thing is the equation for relativistic mass gives 0/0. or something by zero because noone has ever seen a still photon. for anything as fast as light its divided by zero. but going from momentum and velocity you get to a defined "mass"

Anonymous at Fri, 18 Oct 2024 14:22:28 UTC No. 16437948

>>16437902
In projectively extended number line you can divide by zero 1/0 = inf

It's basically the limit of y=1/x as x->0

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Projectively_extended_real_line

Anonymous at Fri, 18 Oct 2024 17:37:49 UTC No. 16438308

>>16437902
Which is not an issue because photons can not be still
Isn't it nice when physical impossibilities and mathematical undefinabilities line up perfectly?

Anonymous at Fri, 18 Oct 2024 20:30:56 UTC No. 16438574

The more I browse /sci/ the more I sympathize with the medieval Catholic Church: knowledge should be gatekept and the normie masses should be told what to think instead of using their barely functioning low-IQ brains for things outside of its designed uses (being a wageslave)

Anonymous at Sat, 19 Oct 2024 17:40:03 UTC No. 16440025

>>16437481
osaka is a genius

Anonymous at Mon, 21 Oct 2024 01:29:02 UTC No. 16442006

>>16437902
>>16438308
What is a magnetic field, or the magnetic field made of

Anonymous at Mon, 21 Oct 2024 03:56:31 UTC No. 16442129

>>16442006
Why does iron attract both sides of the magnet?

Anonymous at Mon, 21 Oct 2024 03:59:09 UTC No. 16442136

>>16442006
>>16442129
Are there magnets, which attract some other metal, but not iron? It is related to the size between the atoms in the grid, isn't it?

Anonymous at Mon, 21 Oct 2024 04:05:37 UTC No. 16442143

>>16442129
>>16442136
Is it possible to create metal, which would repell both sides of the magnet?

Anonymous at Mon, 21 Oct 2024 04:11:54 UTC No. 16442147

>>16442006
>>16442129
>>16442136
>>16442143
Is it all about making electrons or atoms to be spinning the same direction? Do particles repell from each other at one end to attract from the other? Somebody should model rotations of the space-matter, creating forms which would lock onto eachother. and how they motivate matter around its twirl to take forms (as a fabrick would do, but these twirls are 3-d (and constantly changing in the 4th dimention of time)

Anonymous at Mon, 21 Oct 2024 04:31:39 UTC No. 16442159

>>16442129
dunno, why?

Anonymous at Mon, 21 Oct 2024 04:33:46 UTC No. 16442161

>>16442129
Guessing each iron filling turns into mini N S magnet itself and connect together as magnet chains and so it's possible iron filings at N pole are S pole first fillings and fillings at S pole are N first facing

Anonymous at Mon, 21 Oct 2024 04:57:17 UTC No. 16442171

>e=mc2 says that mass is really a measure of energetic interactions in a system
>even the mass of fundamental particles comes from Higgs interaction

So if Higgs interaction wasn't discovered until after Einstein died, what did he make of the mass of fundamental particles? Did he think that there must have been SOME kind of interaction to explain their mass?

Anonymous at Mon, 21 Oct 2024 06:46:31 UTC No. 16442208

>>16442159
Does it even attract them equally?
>>16442161
Doesn't it have anything to do with resonance? Since carbon atoms dissolved within iron may make metal non-magnetic.
Seriously, why some sorts of steel are not magnetic, even though it's still mostly iron?

Anonymous at Mon, 21 Oct 2024 07:23:43 UTC No. 16442233

>>16437481
Mass is confined energy. Simple as.
Despite photons being massless if they are part of a system at rest, like one with bouncing photons, the system as a whole will have its rest mass increased by those bouncing photons.
This is more dramatic in the case of the proton where up to 91% of its rest mass are massless particles like Gluons that are partying hard inside the proton.

Anonymous at Mon, 21 Oct 2024 08:03:09 UTC No. 16442271

>>16442233
>the system as a whole will have its rest mass increased by those bouncing photons
And that's simply because of the momentum of the photons in the box. It will resist acceleration just like a massive object.

Anonymous at Mon, 21 Oct 2024 10:15:20 UTC No. 16442359

>>16437481
You have confused the concepts of mass and rest mass. Rest mass tends to be truncated to just mass, as it's what's relevant in most day to day interaction. However in general relativity mass and energy are equivalent, to the point that term mass is redundant.

Anons are either misinformed or just trolling when they imply that E = mc^2 holds only in stationary frame. The m in the equation is the mass that is relevant in gravitational and inertial sense. The stationary frame is merely a special case, where you insert rest mass into the equation.

Photons have mass, and interact via gravity; they both affect and are affected by the geometry of space-time. A standing wave of photons between mirrors increase the apparent rest mass of the system, and you could theoretically weight them on a scale

Anonymous at Mon, 21 Oct 2024 11:04:34 UTC No. 16442385

>>16437481
Photons are the force carrying particles for gravity, aka gravitons.
Specifically, gravitons are spin 2 boson composites of two photons.
How many more times do we have to do this?

Also, nice job misunderstanding the question on purpose, thread.

Anonymous at Mon, 21 Oct 2024 11:34:20 UTC No. 16442403

>>16442385
Are these gravitons with us in the room right now?

Anonymous at Mon, 21 Oct 2024 18:23:18 UTC No. 16442875

>>16442403
Hard to say, they're moving.

Anonymous at Tue, 22 Oct 2024 02:39:13 UTC No. 16443493

>>16437896
>>16437622
What is the electric magnetic field made of.

Anonymous at Tue, 22 Oct 2024 02:42:17 UTC No. 16443497

>>16437676
>When an electron moves, its momentum changes

Provide an example, for if what you say is true, the electron would have to be acted on by something in order for the electron in momentum to not remain in momentum

Anonymous at Tue, 22 Oct 2024 02:44:11 UTC No. 16443499

>>16437765
>E = mc2 holds only in rest frame. Photons have no rest frame
In what state, form and location are photons in prior to being emitted, generated, propagated?

Anonymous at Tue, 22 Oct 2024 03:02:58 UTC No. 16443504

>>16442233
How do you know gluons are massless?
How do you know gluons exist?

>Mass is confined energy
What is energy?

Anonymous at Tue, 22 Oct 2024 03:05:41 UTC No. 16443505

>>16442385
>Photons are the force carrying particles for gravity, aka gravitons
Why can't gravity carry the force it's own dang self?

Anonymous at Tue, 22 Oct 2024 09:54:19 UTC No. 16443880

>>16443504
>What is energy?
The property that's conserved by time symmetry

Anonymous at Tue, 22 Oct 2024 15:34:57 UTC No. 16444255

>>16443880
>The property that's conserved by time symmetry
Describe the nature of the property.
Is there more than one property in the universe, does the universe contain multiple properties, and you claim this word 'energy' correlates to a property of the universe? Describe that property of the universe, is energy the only property that is conserved by time symmetry?

Anonymous at Wed, 23 Oct 2024 18:45:10 UTC No. 16446156

>>16437481
The father = the son = the holy spirit

Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 00:53:45 UTC No. 16446593

>>16437481
Think of the Earth like a sphere.

Think of the EM/Photon field like a pool of water the sphere is traveling through.

When a person on the sphere, produces light, what they are doing is striking the local 'water' near them, which ripples propagates away from them.

What is the mass of a ripple?

Ripple is not a thing, it is an action of a thing.

The pool of water is not photon, the ripple is called photon.

The pool of water likely has mass associated, and this is likely the reason for discrepancies with fundamental gravity, dark energy, dark matter.

Failing to address the rest mass of the aether