Anonymous at Fri, 18 Oct 2024 08:10:55 UTC No. 16437562

Autism presents so vastly differently in women that it may as well be a different disease

Anonymous at Fri, 18 Oct 2024 08:20:40 UTC No. 16437568

>>16437562
hard disagree

Anonymous at Fri, 18 Oct 2024 08:33:36 UTC No. 16437578

>>16437557
let’s go through each of these. I remind you that autism stems from the Greek autos, self
>more prone
>victimization
irrelevant, whiny bullshit
>”special interests” that blend in
then they’re not autistic. Autists don’t care what others think about their interests by definition (see etymology above)
>less likely to have “communication differences”
so less likely to act autistic

Anonymous at Fri, 18 Oct 2024 08:34:50 UTC No. 16437579

>>16437568
The absolute last thing any male autist would ever do is become a pornstar

Anonymous at Fri, 18 Oct 2024 08:37:25 UTC No. 16437582

>>16437579
Mia Khalifa is a known serial liar.

https://factsbeatfiction.com/

https://youtu.be/LG-oGdeMfj8

Anonymous at Fri, 18 Oct 2024 10:03:27 UTC No. 16437653

>>16437562
>>16437557
Women do not have autism. Never have, never will. Any diagnosis of autism in a woman is a purely political hedonist act

Anonymous at Fri, 18 Oct 2024 11:54:32 UTC No. 16437739

>>16437582
pathological lying can be a symptom of autism

Anonymous at Fri, 18 Oct 2024 11:57:01 UTC No. 16437746

>>16437739
Explain. Do you have any evidence it's more common in autism vs the general population?

Anonymous at Fri, 18 Oct 2024 12:00:24 UTC No. 16437750

>>16437746
I don't have evidence, no, it's just something I remember reading - that autistic people tend to lie more than neurotypicals and to lie about more trivial things
It matches up my personal experiences too, but I understand if you can't take it at face without convincing

For the record, I don't think that this is "proof" she has autism, just that it is in line with what she claims

Anonymous at Fri, 18 Oct 2024 12:13:25 UTC No. 16437772

>>16437750
Okay. It's worth pointing out there's a subtle difference between pathological lying and serial lying, in that the latter is a broader term. The lies that Mia tells, throwing people under the bus in the process, are all grounded in protection of her esteem. That's essentially what narcissism is. You're so absorbed in your esteem that you think it's more important than other people and will manipulate or sacrifice them in service of it. She was exposed as calling for the death of Israeli school children under a Twitter alt account and she's saying that the OCD caused that so it's just a bit convenient that she's claiming to have autism and OCD because it allows her to evade responsibility.

Anonymous at Fri, 18 Oct 2024 12:17:25 UTC No. 16437775

>>16437568
Why would you believe anything a prostitute says? Why do you know anything that she says? It's bad enough to know her name. Yeesh.

Anonymous at Fri, 18 Oct 2024 12:40:06 UTC No. 16437812

>>16437772
>it allows her to evade responsibility.
The whole "lying about your mental illnesses to avoid responsibility" think doesn't make sense to me. If you're the kind of person to lie in order to make people pity you or excuse your mistakes, don't you pretty much have a mental illness either way? Whether it's autism, narcisism, ocd, bpd, compulsive backstabbing disorder or a rough childhood, it's just picking at semantics

Anonymous at Fri, 18 Oct 2024 15:08:59 UTC No. 16438027

>>16437812
It's the nature of their mental illness they lie about. No one wants to admit that they're cluster B.

Anonymous at Fri, 18 Oct 2024 15:12:41 UTC No. 16438034

>>16437557
I've noticed autistic women are incapable of shutting the hell up

Anonymous at Sat, 19 Oct 2024 16:44:26 UTC No. 16439950

>>16437557
women were jealous that almost none of them got to have magical autism powers so they just slapped the label on themselves to make themselves feel better.
they will still not be engineers or capable in any other high competency field.

Anonymous at Sat, 19 Oct 2024 17:30:32 UTC No. 16440008

>>16437562
>Autism presents so vastly differently in women that it may as well be a different disease
>No physiological basis known
>Is not the same set of behavior in women as it is in men
>Somehow the same thing
???
I smell insurance fraud.

Anonymous at Sat, 19 Oct 2024 20:39:44 UTC No. 16440279

>>16437557
If a woman remains undiagnosed because she simply masks too well, she doesn't need an autism diagnosis anyway.
Not to mention, 95% of women that claim to be autistic just do it for internet attention, pity points and living accommodation despite already living life on easy mode.
Actually autistic women would not want it publicly known they are autistic, much like many men do.
I would rather distrust a woman every time I hear she has autism and take my 5% chance of being wrong than trust them at all.
That being said, I do know some bona fide autistic women, so it's not like I don't acknowledge the existence of autism in women.
It simply remains a male dominated disorder. Also, you'd think that psychiatrists (that diagnose these women), who are also a lot of the time women, would know better than some retard on 4chan or a pill popping barcode thigh e-girl that's just "soo qwiwky".
>>16437562
Also very much this.

Anonymous at Sat, 19 Oct 2024 20:54:32 UTC No. 16440297

>>16440279
Self-diagnosis is much more prevalent than people realize. They did some polls on the main autism subreddits in 2022 and more than 40% were self-diagnosed. It's probably higher now and they don't see the problem with them defending self-ID with the fact that most of them support self-diagnosis when nearly half of them are self-diagnosed and have infiltrated those spaces. Gatekeeping is bannable offense, ironically.

Anonymous at Sat, 19 Oct 2024 20:58:58 UTC No. 16440304

>>16440297
>>16440279
I don't see the issue with self-diagnosis, at least not in the way you see it.

I don't consider autism diagnoses to be actually valid in the first place. Hence, all that talk about how you need to be formally diagnosed, as if that meant anything, is really about gatekeeping and wanting victim cards. Psychiatrists/psychologists etc. can apply the criteria in very liberal ways, technically allowing them to diagnose anyone with anything. Since you don't even need to present autism traits to be diagnosed with it, it all means nothing in the end.
I don't think there is much more to it than that.

Anonymous at Sat, 19 Oct 2024 21:04:29 UTC No. 16440313

>>16440297
>reddit is a shithole
No way, really?!
No doubt the sub is modded by the very same self-diagnosed women (of colour).
I've had a long and surprisingly high quality discussion about self-diagnoses on /r9k/ once.
Basically, self-diagnosis should never be considered on par with an actual diagnosis. Even in cases where an actually autistic individual may not be able to obtain it due to financial circumstances (the most common strawman in these discussions).
I actually believe that people who self-diagnose and never confirm, should instead get a diagnosis for Munchausens.

Anonymous at Sat, 19 Oct 2024 21:08:04 UTC No. 16440322

>>16440313
>Basically, self-diagnosis should never be considered on par with an actual diagnosis.
What makes the actual diagnosis so legitimate?
>Even in cases where an actually autistic individual may not be able to obtain it due to financial circumstances (the most common strawman in these discussions).
What's an actually "autistic" individual?

Anonymous at Sat, 19 Oct 2024 21:11:58 UTC No. 16440328

>>16440304
Do you believe autism doesn't actually exist? I certainly hope not.
I can see why someone would be distrustful of psychiatrists diagnosing autism but I actually also covered this in the aforementioned discussion.
If you think they diagnose people with autism simply for profit, think about this;
Autism, unlike other disorders, is incurable and untreatable. The psychiatrist cannot make any money from prescribing some medication they've been sponsored by or in any other way provide snake-oils or treatments that he could line his pockets with.
If their goal was as such, it would be much easier to diagnose every autistic individual with some different umbrella term for a bad personality like BPD, from which they can actually profit.
Their only source of revenue comes from the initial diagnosis transaction, which is a one time thing, and could even end up costing them money, since every new autismo on gibs costs them their tax dollars just as much as anyone else's.
Other than profit, the psychologist/psychiatrist has no reason to lie. They just do their job, and don't gain or lose anything if their patient ends up with an autism diagnosis either way.
And let's say their professional and moral code (hah) prevents them from giving away said "liberal diagnoses" despite their patients not meeting the criteria.

Anonymous at Sat, 19 Oct 2024 21:15:21 UTC No. 16440331

>>16440322
>What makes the actual diagnosis so legitimate?
Credentials and experience in the field.
>What's an actually "autistic" individual?
Please refer to the DSM-5.

Anonymous at Sat, 19 Oct 2024 21:20:04 UTC No. 16440337

>>16440328
>Do you believe autism doesn't actually exist?
Can you provide me with the hard physiological evidence for that thing?
It's just a list of behavior and character traits. It's nothing more than a definition.
>Autism, unlike other disorders, is incurable and untreatable
That is... blatantly false.
>The psychiatrist cannot make any money from prescribing some medication they've been sponsored by or in any other way provide snake-oils or treatments that he could line his pockets with.
Ummm... 1. Psychiatrists don't diagnose autism. Developmental psychologists primarily do that. 2. That doesn't stop them from prescribing medications. 70 % of all autistic kids are on prescription drugs. 3. Autism services are notoriously known for trying to sell snake-oils to parents. Tons of media reports attest to that.
>Their only source of revenue comes from the initial diagnosis transaction, which is a one time thing, and could even end up costing them money, since every new autismo on gibs costs them their tax dollars just as much as anyone else's.
1. The initial diagnostic transaction already costs up to 2000 dollars - treatments transacted over the label like therapy or prescription drugs mean that more money will be spent.
2. An autism diagnosis doesn't automatically qualify you for disability claims.
3. It's a well-known issue, in the USA and elsewhere, that clinics enrich themselves by funnelling tax payer into their own enterprises.
>Other than profit, the psychologist/psychiatrist has no reason to lie.
Except for the profit which is usually the main reason why people professionally lie in the first place.

Anonymous at Sat, 19 Oct 2024 21:26:42 UTC No. 16440341

>>16440331
>Credentials and experience in the field.
Does that make it legitimate? Would you trust a priest simply because he has credentials and experience in his (religious) field as well?
What, exactly, makes you believe that psychiatrists have gotten autism right?
>Please refer to the DSM-5.
Is the DSM-5 a scientifically valid document, compare point 1. Do you think you can objectively measure things like "special interests", "a lack of eye contact" or any other subjective criteria? Do you believe "a slight case of Asperger's" and "severe non-verbal autism" are the same thing even if the latter is associated with some kind of genetic disorder?
Are you aware that more than 60 % of all board members responsible for the DSM-5 disclosed having received money from the pharmaceutical industry?
>>16440328
>And let's say their professional and moral code (hah) prevents them from giving away said "liberal diagnoses" despite their patients not meeting the criteria.
1. The criteria can be changed at will. They are not based on anything other than conventions.
2. You naively assume, for whatever reasons, that psychologists/psychiatrists specifically care about their professional and moral codes when psychiatric organizations are responsible for creating them in the first place. Very circular.
3. As I have already explained above, the issue of patients not meeting their criteria is a subjective notion because there is no independent test for autism.

Anonymous at Sat, 19 Oct 2024 21:29:55 UTC No. 16440344

>>16440337
>>16440341
nta but your "arguments" could be applied to almost any academic profession and the practices within it
you type without saying much

Anonymous at Sat, 19 Oct 2024 21:37:54 UTC No. 16440355

>>16440344
>nta but your "arguments" could be applied to almost any academic profession and the practices within it
>you type without saying much
For once. Most of my stuff relates to false claims he made which can be easily identified and verified.

Relating to your second point. My answer: "Not really. There is a difference between bad science, which you think I am complaining about, and not doing any actual science at all (which is what I complain about)."
There is, scientifically speaking, little to no point in creating lists of behavioral issues that someone MIGHT have (they don't necessarily need to have them) and reduce them to a single assumed but not proven biomedical disease entity. (I am aware that the DSM, among other things, specifically indicated that their diagnoses were not actually scientifically validated. This message was removed in the last edition.)
1. For once, you would preferably identify an actual physical thing, then study its consequences. Doing the opposite thing means conflating very different issues.
2. Second, since no actual physical thing is being studied (unlike geology, physics, medicine), it renders the concept much more vulnerable to interest groups. If all your "diagnosis" is is a list of traits, issues etc. what exactly prevents me, you, industrial interest groups, from influencing groups responsible for revisioning them?

Anonymous at Sat, 19 Oct 2024 21:39:46 UTC No. 16440356

>>16440355
>what exactly prevents me, you, industrial interest groups, from influencing groups responsible for revisioning them?
>That doesn't mean that this is happening. It's ALL IN GOOD FAITH.
Incredibly naive. Do you just so happen to believe in the scientific validity of putting people on anti-depressants, neuroleptics etc. for their mental illness even if there is no clear actual medical (read: physical) indication for their use?

Anonymous at Sat, 19 Oct 2024 21:44:47 UTC No. 16440363

>>16440337
You realize not every country has dog shit American-style healthcare system, right? In European countries it actually costs the state money to diagnose people with autism.

Anonymous at Sat, 19 Oct 2024 21:50:29 UTC No. 16440368

>>16440297
Self-diagnosis can be due to the person having little to no basis for that diagnosis beyond wanting to have a special label but it's also sometimes motivated by the difficulty in actually obtaining a medical diagnosis. In most states, there are zero providers who accept Medicaid and often private insurance doesn't cover the costs either. There are many providers who aren't up to date on criteria, rejecting the possibility of autism out of hand due to the patient being able to make eye contact or having friends. Finding a doctor who is current on the diagnostic criteria can be difficult even if you're willing to pay out of pocket, which typically ends up being in the $3000-$5000 range.
If a person is honest in their self-assessment, there is a high degree of certainty that a professional assessment will match the self-assessment, though sometimes there are other overlapping conditions involved that are good to have identified, especially ADHD.
Problem is that those who aren't honest about their self-assessment do exist and in the age of social media, there can be benefits for a non-autistic person to claim they're autistic. And there are some who aren't trying to be deceptive but simply aren't capable of accurately performing a self-assessment.
In general I give most people the benefit of the doubt but if they have a money making angle, my skepticism increases.

Anonymous at Sat, 19 Oct 2024 21:52:51 UTC No. 16440372

>>16440363
>In European countries it actually costs the state money to diagnose people with autism.
Which prevents the diagnostic units responsible for diagnosing it in what ways from handing diagnoses out like candy?
Insurance policies? Ye, technically you're right. Hence, why in Europe as well, they also specifically target people to go for private autism screenings. However, even in Europe. Industrial interest groups can and will hijack the whole process. If you think the USA diagnose a lot of autism, you are not aware that UK psychologists diagnose double that in their own country.

Anonymous at Sun, 20 Oct 2024 04:50:31 UTC No. 16440773

>>16437557
No, the actual data suggests that autism is still several times more common in men despite diagnosis rate differences

Anonymous at Sun, 20 Oct 2024 05:40:26 UTC No. 16440819

>>16437568
autisdick

Anonymous at Sun, 20 Oct 2024 07:26:34 UTC No. 16440895

>>16437557
I'm skeptical, if you are talking about high functioning autism where it is possible to not diagnose then maybe.

But for non functional autists where it would be impossible to not diagnose then you have much higher numbers of men.

So assuming that both have similar causes it would make sense to assume that higher functioning autism also "favors" men. Of course it's possible that most of what is considered high functioning autism is actually just something else entirely that we don't have a specific name for.

Anonymous at Sun, 20 Oct 2024 07:28:40 UTC No. 16440896

>>16437557
I sometimes go on a autism reddit for female. For me it dosent seems like they do it for attention, it seems more like they desire a reason for their life (especially social life) not being like they wanted it to be. And Autism seems perfect for that, especially because it takes away all the blame of them to some mental illness that they are just born with, one that stays forever so they can just be lazy and not change with a seemingly good justification. For many it become an important identity and they want an diagnosis to seal it for the public and there are just so many post on that reddit, about females being extremly upset that they werent diagnosed with their wish mental illness, which make me think that some diagnoss them with Autism to not make that poor little female upset.

Anonymous at Sun, 20 Oct 2024 07:47:08 UTC No. 16440900

>>16440896
The person you're quoting sounds very autistic and self-aware of her own mental issues

Anonymous at Sun, 20 Oct 2024 07:52:08 UTC No. 16440904

>>16440900
Exactly. Only autistic people get flustered.

Anonymous at Sun, 20 Oct 2024 09:33:18 UTC No. 16440954

>>16440896
People simply game the system. Autism is a popular diagnosis because 1. it's easy to fake, 2. doesn't come with mandatory drug treatment and 3. you're not really expected to do anything about it because there are no clear treatment protocols.

I have talked to several such "autistic" people and once you press on the issue, they become extremely aggressive. I have gotten death threats from them.
Maybe, someone at some point, figures out the psychology of the people and our society getting so attached to make-believe diagnoses also applies to ADHD or depression. No one gets that fed up over cancer or heart disease diagnoses, interestingly enough.

Anonymous at Sun, 20 Oct 2024 14:18:48 UTC No. 16441214

>>16437750
>It matches up my personal experiences too
Can you give some examples? If you speak in a disorganized and convoluted way and have a tendency to get lost between sentences, becoming flustered, then that can look like dishonesty. Additionally, if you rehearse expressions and conversational templates in your head as a way of mitigating instances of that then that can also contribute to an aura inauthenticity.

It could also be the case that they are worse at lying and you're underestimating the prevalence of competent normie liars.

Anonymous at Sun, 20 Oct 2024 14:37:53 UTC No. 16441238

It's so fucking Ober with the normies coming foe autism like they have done with everything else (imagine the autism turning out like what they did with the Internet). Hopefully it stays just with girls and doesn't carry over to all of the normies thinking they have autism like they did with other shit, because they are on a warpath to shit everything up in their wake so that we can go the way of Rome and Greece. Also breakfasting in the Olympics

Anonymous at Sun, 20 Oct 2024 14:38:40 UTC No. 16441240

>>16440954
How often do you tell people with cancer that they don't have cancer and are faking it?

Anonymous at Sun, 20 Oct 2024 14:39:18 UTC No. 16441241

>>16440297
This is what I meant in part
But this post puts the point more clearly

Anonymous at Sun, 20 Oct 2024 14:49:53 UTC No. 16441256

>>16441214
I am autistic (diagnosed, if that matters to you) and I often lie about extremely unimportant things because I know that if I tell the truth I'll have to explain myself or otherwise go into a complicated conversation I'd rather avoid.
I have read a fair few books by autists for autists and a common piece of advice in them is to be more honest and avoid making fabrication to cover your ass, which implies that it's a generalised trait between autists
Not to say that normies don't lie, they just lie in different ways. Pathological lying - that is, lying for no purpose other than an inherent predisposition to, seems to be in line with autistic behaviour patterns
Again, not exactly proof, just my own 2 cents.

Anonymous at Sun, 20 Oct 2024 16:06:54 UTC No. 16441328

>>16441240
You can't fake cancer (good luck trying it)
You can fake autism because you can adjust and manipulate your own behavior and interests.
>>16441256
>a common piece of advice in them is to be more honest and avoid making fabrication to cover your ass
That's funny. Theory of mind is compromised in autism and it's well known by decades of psychiatric observation that autistics can't lie well because they are impaired in precisely that cognitive domain that is needed to trick somebody else.
>lying for no purpose other than an inherent predisposition to, seems to be in line with autistic behaviour patterns
Not a part of the autism diagnostic criteria.
Research very clearly contradicts that statement.
It's in violation of research done on autism.

Anonymous at Sun, 20 Oct 2024 16:11:44 UTC No. 16441332

>>16441328
>Not a part of the autism diagnostic criteria.
Never claimed it was, only that it is in adjacent
>Research very clearly contradicts that statement.
>It's in violation of research done on autism.
"autists tend to be bad liars" does not imply "autists tend to be honest"

Anonymous at Sun, 20 Oct 2024 16:31:32 UTC No. 16441351

>>16441328
Anyone can fake cancer.
>Anon, I have cancer.
See, I just faked having cancer. When you start randomly accusing people of faking autism, you haven't done anything diagnostic, you just wanted attention and to be an asshole to someone you know probably will not punch you. If someone tells you they have cancer, you don't demand their medical records to confirm, you simply accept that they are being truthful even if they're showing no signs of illness. There are plenty of cases of people lying about having cancer and yet you just always accept such claims as truthful.
Sounds like you're a sociopath who seeks out autistic people because you know you can bully them with no consequences as being conflict avoidance is one of the traits of autism. That a few get angry at you for harassing them and you become so quickly butthurt over them speaking up for themselves shows just how much of a coward you really are.
Do people exist that fake autism for pity points, attention, and other reasons? Sure. But you've made clear your motivation here is to find people to be an asshole to because you're a cowardly loser who enjoys picking on the weak. Hopefully you mouth off sometime to one of them who happens to have a loved one nearby that will help you not fake being physically assaulted.

Anonymous at Sun, 20 Oct 2024 16:37:52 UTC No. 16441358

>>16441351
>Sounds like you're a sociopath who seeks out autistic people because you know you can bully
Sounds more like an autist in denial to me. Seen many of those, they don't want to believe in autism because if they have a real mental illness then there's very little they can do to become "normal" no matter how hard they try.
Almost everyone on 4chan is somewhere on the autistic spectrum

Anonymous at Sun, 20 Oct 2024 19:12:45 UTC No. 16441535

>>16441351
>See, I just faked having cancer.
They can independently check for cancer. That's the whole point. How can you independently verify autism if people can and DO fake it?
>you just wanted attention and to be an asshole
pointless ad hominem.
>they are being truthful even if they're showing no signs of illness
If you have cancer, you, by definition, have an illness and SHOW signs of it.
>There are plenty of cases of people lying about having cancer and yet you just always accept such claims as truthful.
First, we don't. Your workplace definitely won't cover your sick leave without a formal diagnosis. Hence why we have independent tests for cancer.
>Sounds like you're a sociopath who seeks out autistic people
ad hominem
>conflict avoidance is one of the traits of autism.
No, it isn't. Stop making up stuff when it's clear by now that you know absolutely nothing about it and have turned autism into an identity.
>just how much of a coward you really are.
another ad hominem. Yawnn... The rest is just more ad hominems.
>>16441358
>they don't want to believe in autism because if they have a real mental illness
Oh, don't get me wrong. I absolutely believe in a form of brain damage that can cause autistic behavior in kids. I've seen that happen before. I just don't believe in all those 20 to 30-year-old women suddenly discovering their wombtism when they have no childhood indication of it (Which they should have by definition).
>Almost everyone on 4chan is somewhere on the autistic spectrum
You project your own impairment on people you communicate with because you have a hard time believing that normal, healthy and sane people might enjoy some of the things you do.

Anonymous at Sun, 20 Oct 2024 19:18:13 UTC No. 16441543

>>16441332
>"autists tend to be bad liars" does not imply "autists tend to be honest"
That's not what I meant. Lying is the act of being deliberately deceptive or misleading often meant to gain a personal advantage over somebody else. The definition is very straight-forward. Someone who gives false testimony doesn't automatically lie, for example.
Autists cannot be good at lying because they, by definition, should suffer from an impairment that makes it difficult for them to understand what other people want. That many "autists" don't fit into this description has more to do with how meaningless the label has become.
In the classic case, autists should not even be capable of cognitively grasping the concept of lying in the first place because other people don't actually exist for them.
>Autists aren't honest
Yes, but not out of malice. Since autists can't deceive others, their dishonesty is the result of them not understanding the world properly in the first place.