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Anonymous at Sat, 19 Oct 2024 18:20:41 UTC No. 16440101
I don't understand the black hole information paradox. Where is the paradox? Black holes evaporate. So what? How does this violate any law of entropy?
Anonymous at Sat, 19 Oct 2024 18:39:47 UTC No. 16440136
>>16440101
Bro black holes are made up by a retarded guy in a wheelchair STEPHEN HAWKING. what point does this information have other than scamming grant money from the government on things that have no practice use for humans.
When will you travel to a black hole?
How does a black hole affect your life?
When does a black hole interfere with earth?
Theoretical physics Is the worst thing to happen to science.
Anonymous at Sat, 19 Oct 2024 18:41:28 UTC No. 16440139
>>16440136
I TOLD YOU
Don't come here
KEEP- OUT
Anonymous at Sat, 19 Oct 2024 18:47:56 UTC No. 16440147
>>16440139
Oh look chuddy is angry. What's wrong? Are you made that black hole theory doesn't create anything?
What can I make with black holes?
How does black holes progress science?
Can I build a black hole computer?
What about a black hole rocket ship?
When's the black hole iPhone coming out?
Anonymous at Sat, 19 Oct 2024 19:05:04 UTC No. 16440181
>>16440147
>abstraction is le bad and le patriarchal
>if it doesn't have to do with gender it's useless
Lmao, wokie. Go back to r/pol/. Nobody cares about your pronouns.
6 at Sat, 19 Oct 2024 19:11:16 UTC No. 16440192
>>16440181
Chud you need help
Anonymous at Sat, 19 Oct 2024 19:24:34 UTC No. 16440204
>>16440192
No, I'm not gonna cut off my dick.
Anonymous at Sat, 19 Oct 2024 19:40:15 UTC No. 16440215
>>16440101
>Library goes up in flames
>Where does information go?
I wasnt aware that theres an information conservation law. Isnt it the opposite, that entropy increases and destroys order and hence information?
6 at Sat, 19 Oct 2024 19:54:11 UTC No. 16440230
>>16440215
On conservative dynamic systems like the solar system it appears there is no entropy. Like the law of thermodynamics says the whole universe operates this way.
But where's the entropy and how do we mesure it in the universe. At some point we are just guessing and thermodynamics can only be observed and mesured on earth.
Sorry chud
Anonymous at Sat, 19 Oct 2024 20:20:27 UTC No. 16440255
>>16440101
there is no paradox
Anonymous at Sat, 19 Oct 2024 20:24:54 UTC No. 16440264
>>16440101
>Black holes evaporate
Matter goes in; only heat comes out. Information is not preserved as it should be. That's the paradox.
Anonymous at Sat, 19 Oct 2024 20:30:24 UTC No. 16440270
>>16440215
The difference there is that if you had sufficiently advanced technology you could track every particle of the library during the fire. You could, in theory, reconstruct everything - no information is lost.
However throw a book into a black hole and there is no way to recover that information, not even after it decays, which appears to break fundamental laws of physics.
Anonymous at Sat, 19 Oct 2024 20:31:13 UTC No. 16440272
>>16440215
>Library goes up in flames.
All the matter is still there. It just changed from bound paper to ash and smoke. But each atom can be accounted for.
>Now I mix meanings of "information".
You've confused two entirely different meanings of information.
Anonymous at Sat, 19 Oct 2024 20:40:35 UTC No. 16440280
>>16440264
But conservation of information is not a law.
Anonymous at Sat, 19 Oct 2024 20:41:18 UTC No. 16440281
>>16440280
Yes it is, you stupid faggot.
6 at Sat, 19 Oct 2024 20:42:32 UTC No. 16440283
>>16440270
>break fundamental laws of physics
No need to add complicated words this sums it up perfectly.
Say it with me chuddy.
Black holes aren't real.
Anonymous at Sat, 19 Oct 2024 20:43:06 UTC No. 16440284
>>16440281
No, it isn't, dummy.
Anonymous at Sat, 19 Oct 2024 20:46:08 UTC No. 16440288
>>16440283
prove it.
6 at Sat, 19 Oct 2024 20:51:03 UTC No. 16440295
>>16440288
That's like saying prove Santa Claus isn't real.
Chuddy. Some retarded guy in a wheelchair made it up.
Anonymous at Sat, 19 Oct 2024 20:55:39 UTC No. 16440299
>>16440255
>there is no paradox
At least, some say. Black holes always capture people's imagination because they are the most extreme objects in the entire universe and know almost absolutely nothing about them. It also makes them kinda boring at the same time becauese you can only speculate so much before you run out of ideas and just repeat "lol we don't know." over and over.
Anonymous at Sat, 19 Oct 2024 21:01:08 UTC No. 16440308
>>16440295
Hawkings didn't invent black holes. Einstein theorized their existence through relativity. The first black hole was discovered in 1970 and we have photos of accretion discs and other void spaces surrounded by stars being distorted by gravitational lensing.
Pic related is a real photo of a black hole.
Anonymous at Sat, 19 Oct 2024 21:01:18 UTC No. 16440309
>>16440270
>The difference there is that if you had sufficiently advanced technology you could track every particle of the library during the fire.
Nah nah nah
Literally the physical law says entropy must increase
you cannot preserve information, by physical law
Plus, why would physical laws require advanced technology to hold?
You are fucking retarded
6 at Sat, 19 Oct 2024 21:07:01 UTC No. 16440318
>>16440308
Yawn.
Who are you trying to convince me or you chuddy?
6 at Sat, 19 Oct 2024 21:08:02 UTC No. 16440321
6 at Sat, 19 Oct 2024 21:10:10 UTC No. 16440324
Anonymous at Sat, 19 Oct 2024 21:15:41 UTC No. 16440333
>>16440324
Most images are illustrations yes but the one I posted is an actual photo of a black hole.
https://eventhorizontelescope.org/p
6 at Sat, 19 Oct 2024 21:28:23 UTC No. 16440342
>>16440333
No it isn't chud. But keel dreaming.
Anonymous at Sat, 19 Oct 2024 21:28:51 UTC No. 16440343
>>16440309
> Literally the physical law says entropy must increase
Wrong. It says entropy must increase *in a closed system*. Fortunately the Earth isn't a closed system, if that wasn't the case we wouldn't exist.
Anonymous at Sat, 19 Oct 2024 21:30:41 UTC No. 16440345
>>16440295
There is plenty of observational evidence for objects that behave exactly like black-holes are predicted to. There is zero evidence showing they don't exist.
6 at Sat, 19 Oct 2024 21:40:11 UTC No. 16440357
>>16440345
>behave like black hole.
>trust me bro that thing far away that's a blurry smuge on my telescope that we can never travel to or physically observe yea see its a black hole.
Ok buddy time to take your meds
Anonymous at Sat, 19 Oct 2024 21:54:27 UTC No. 16440374
>>16440345
>>16440342
You have to be baiting because no one is this retarded. The evidence is right in front of your face.
6 at Sat, 19 Oct 2024 22:37:11 UTC No. 16440403
>>16440374
Refer above there's no evidence anon just wishful thinking.
Anonymous at Sat, 19 Oct 2024 23:13:21 UTC No. 16440436
>>16440403
>https://eventhorizontelescope.org/
literally right there.
Anonymous at Sat, 19 Oct 2024 23:18:58 UTC No. 16440440
>>16440403
You realize that pretending to be retarded still makes you a retard, right?
Anonymous at Sun, 20 Oct 2024 03:20:20 UTC No. 16440716
>>16440436
Its med time for you chud
Anonymous at Mon, 21 Oct 2024 03:54:29 UTC No. 16442127
>>16440101
It's dark matter conversion complex as result of material singularity causing interplay between positive and negative mass, which fucks with space and time locally around the event horizon and causes dark matter to "leak" through and be ejected as positive mass. Once conversion of negative mass reaches specific threshold the event horizon reaches destabilization and the "portal" closes.
Anonymous at Tue, 22 Oct 2024 07:58:15 UTC No. 16443762
>>16440101
Because black hole radiates thermal radiation which is just a bunch of photons with wavelengths on a spectrum.
Quantum Mechanics requires that you always be able to "rewind the tape" on the universe and figure out what the previous state was from the current one.
So if you take this to it's logical conclusion it implies that you can take the thermal radiation from a black hole and rewind it and figure out what kind of star created the black hole in the first place, and you can do this from the information encoded in the radiation itself. Except you can't actually do this because all thermal radiation follows the same equation, so there is the paradox.
Anonymous at Tue, 22 Oct 2024 12:49:04 UTC No. 16444049
>>16440101
it's about the conservation of information or something. I'm not a physicist and don't have a genius iq, but I can't help but suspect that physics is full of people who pretend to understand stuff they actually don't.