Anonymous at Sun, 20 Oct 2024 22:27:12 UTC No. 16441801

>>16441267
It's not a problem with too many people. These people satisfy a demand (even if that demand is for PhD slaves). The main problem is technology. Modern experiments require an obscene amount of technology and cooperation. Even the least "collaborative" subfield of physics, AMO, requires expensive lasers, vacuum pumps, lenses that it can't produce on its own. Galileo created his own telescope because all he needed was knowledge of lens making. No experimentalist today can do their own independent research, even if privately funded.

What this produces is a field of work that is highly dependent on the system it is immersed in. The system therefore adapts science to its own needs. 99% of scientists in the academia aren't concerned with scientific pursuit per se. They are concerned with producing technology. And it's not their fault because they simply adapted to the needs of the technological system, while those who didn't got filtered. A natural selection of sorts.

We have constant debates on whether or not we need another collider, while nobody questions these investments in fission/fusion research. Can a tokomak reveal something about nature that we don't already know? Not really. It's an engineering problem and not a scientific one. Science is concerned with investigation and not application. But application is always preferred. You can clearly see that eventually, science will die out not because we will have reached the limit of human knowledge, but simply because that knowledge is completely irrelevant to the industrial system.

Anonymous at Mon, 21 Oct 2024 01:05:59 UTC No. 16441986

>>16441801
>No experimentalist today can do their own independent research, even if privately funded.
I'm doing my own research

Anonymous at Mon, 21 Oct 2024 08:07:22 UTC No. 16442275

>>16441801
Also this. Lazzaro Spallanzani (picrel) became an eminent voice amongst other contemporaries like Lavoisier simply cause he told the rabble that mice don't magically generate out of dirty laundry. Being a scientist in a time when most couldn't read had its advantages, ie it took very little to make laws and do elementary experiments that have the same relevance, if not more, than multi billion dollar projects of today like the CERN

Anonymous at Mon, 21 Oct 2024 11:51:19 UTC No. 16442418

>>16441267
What they all discovered were low hanging fruits for today's grad students standards, in terms of raw intellectual capability. Its simply not possible to have such a high iq concentration at one point in time, one place on earth, most of these people tackled the right problems at the right time in history. Not undermining any of their discoveries and of course I can only dream of being that smart and influential, but statistically speaking, at least half of them worked on problems that could be tackled by any MIT/Stanford undergrad today.
We respect them for their findings, of course, but we also mischaracterize their intelligence greatly. They would all struggle doing science today given that we now live in a technocracy and thus science is purely governed by the industry needs, leading 95% of researcher in a publish or perish rat race.
Back then, they had all the time in the world to discuss about shit like philosophy of science, and wrote whole ass articles on how to interpret the wave function collapse. Today, you are NOT getting published if you dont either:
1. beat SOTA by 10% on whatever industry mandated metric for engineering research
2. come up with a set of unnecessarily convoluted equations to describe an extremely niche phenomenon
3. fake or at least slightly alter your experimental data to get a positive result

Also count the fact that elite institutions are flooded with asian-american tryhards who do not give a shit about science and are only here for box-ticking and climbing the social ladder, resulting in everyone graduating with a CS degree even though they could be the next Einstein of chemistry, and institutions over-investing in computer related science and engineering.

Today, Marie Curie would be a chinese MIT/Harvard/Stanford CS grad, and her time and energy would be spent grinding leetcode questions, writing linkedin blogposts about LLMs and doing big tech internships in the hopes of getting a FAANG job out of school.

Anonymous at Tue, 22 Oct 2024 12:55:20 UTC No. 16444061

>>16442418
GOOD MORNING SAAR

Anonymous at Wed, 23 Oct 2024 12:16:22 UTC No. 16445603

>>16442418
>Today, Marie Curie would be a chinese MIT/Harvard/Stanford CS grad, and her time and energy would be spent grinding leetcode questions, writing linkedin blogposts about LLMs and doing big tech internships in the hopes of getting a FAANG job out of school.
Kind of a funny picture, ngl

EBOK at Wed, 23 Oct 2024 12:25:12 UTC No. 16445611

>4chan made entirely of hetero gigachads
>A dozen years later
>Fags everywhere, every post, every comment

4chan needs a dislike button

Anonymous at Wed, 23 Oct 2024 13:06:05 UTC No. 16445636

>>16442418
>What they all discovered were low hanging fruits for today's grad students standards, in terms of raw intellectual capability.
This is such a cope lmfao. People who say this are under the delusions that if they were alive back then, they'd become a nobel laureate. LOL. You're not Einstein bub.

Anonymous at Wed, 23 Oct 2024 13:17:31 UTC No. 16445648

>>16441267
>modern scientific community is made out of starving graduates
Graduate students are not starving. They are poor but they are not starving.

Anonymous at Wed, 23 Oct 2024 13:19:56 UTC No. 16445651

>>16445636
>People who say this are under the delusions that if they were alive back then, they'd become a nobel laureate
No one thinks this, and also its stupid to imagine yourself as being alive "back then". You would have a completely different life and different parents and different experiences, you would not be you

Anonymous at Wed, 23 Oct 2024 16:54:15 UTC No. 16445976

>>16442275
Ah yes the “low hanging fruit” conceit
You realize if you had lived back then you would still be a retard with no accomplishments just like you are now, right?