🧵 Can a computer running on zero-point energy live forever?
Anonymous at Sun, 20 Oct 2024 16:41:23 UTC No. 16441362
In theory, if we or artificial superintelligence ever invents a way to tap into zero-point energy, which would be an eternal energy source if I'm not mistaken, would any other physical phenomena or limitations make it impossible for a computer floating in the void of space expelling its waste heat out to stay turned on literally forever? I'm thinking perhaps a false vacuum decay would destroy it eventually (or destroy you eventually if mind uploading was possible and you lived inside that computer). Chatgpt is confusing me, though, suggesting that the heat death will make expelling waste heat impossible for some reason (I don't get that) and suggesting that the buildup of errors during to random quantum fluctuations would eventually outpace your ability to correct those errors. This also doesn't make sense to me, but maybe someone can explain.
6 at Sun, 20 Oct 2024 16:55:22 UTC No. 16441372
>>16441362
>in theory.
I think we have had enough theories. String theories and blackholes wormholes.
Yawn
It's all so tiresome
Anonymous at Sun, 20 Oct 2024 17:03:53 UTC No. 16441379
By its very definition you can't extract energy from zero-point energy. There is no value below it. It's like trying to walk north of the north pole.
Anonymous at Sun, 20 Oct 2024 21:21:15 UTC No. 16441714
>>16441379
Zero point energy is the new schizo nonsense. It's just a rebranding of perpetual motion because everyone by now knows perpetual motion isn't possible. Hence, using new fancy words it sounds plausible to someone not familiar with zero point
Anonymous at Mon, 21 Oct 2024 17:26:26 UTC No. 16442793
>>16441362
>but maybe someone can explain
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halti
Anonymous at Tue, 22 Oct 2024 11:17:50 UTC No. 16443940
>>16441362
zero point retardation: surely you can make energy out of that. but it will cost you. dearly.
Anonymous at Wed, 23 Oct 2024 02:12:20 UTC No. 16445161
>>16441362
no such thing as heat death finality.
Anonymous at Wed, 23 Oct 2024 02:18:47 UTC No. 16445173
>>16445161
>>16441362
allow me to elaborate. the last surviving particles will be photons. at this stage, time and distances are meaningless, yet the total energy of the universe has remained the same. you can't tell anymore if the universe is ending or beginning, so you may in fact return to initial conditions
Anonymous at Wed, 23 Oct 2024 02:38:58 UTC No. 16445197
>>16442793
>"Ha ha! Computers can 'halt', so they are inferior to we humans!"
>lock human in room with no external stimuli
>they go insane
Anonymous at Wed, 23 Oct 2024 03:14:19 UTC No. 16445229
>>16441362
It doesn't matter how much energy there is in empty space if you can't exploit a difference.
If it's the same everywhere there's no way to induce it to flow from a high toca low state.
Anonymous at Wed, 23 Oct 2024 03:47:24 UTC No. 16445259
>>16445229
fuck, I think you're right.
Anonymous at Wed, 23 Oct 2024 04:11:39 UTC No. 16445284
>>16441362
>which would be an eternal energy source if I'm not mistaken
You are
Anonymous at Wed, 23 Oct 2024 22:55:28 UTC No. 16446476
>>16445229
but mass prevents stretching of space so.. uh..
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 22:03:04 UTC No. 16447904
>>16441362
>would any other physical phenomena or limitations make it impossible for a computer floating in the void of space expelling its waste heat out to stay turned on literally forever?
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 22:16:27 UTC No. 16447920
>>16445173
based Penrose enjoyer
Anonymous at Thu, 24 Oct 2024 23:30:08 UTC No. 16447989
>>16441362
no the complexitie increases so in order to survive he hasto accelerate faster and faster to keep up wiht the inceasing complexitie of reality.
Anonymous at Fri, 25 Oct 2024 13:43:15 UTC No. 16448943
>>16441362
Even if we ignore the fact that zero point energy is sci-fi stuff you should read these two articles:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Futur
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_R
Basically, there's a possibility that protons or maybe even neutrons have a finite lifespan, so eventually all the atoms in the universe will be destroyed. Even if that is not the case, all the atoms in the universe will eventually turn into iron thus no electronic circuits will be able to exist. Plus, if the expansion of the universe will keep accelerating indefinitly, eventually all the large scale structures like the stars and eventually even atoms will be torn apart by those forces, so once again no computers will be able to exist. So you'll need more sci-fi ideas to make your computer work forever like migrating to a younger parallel universe, time traveling to the past or creating your own baby universe with the physical laws of your choosing.
Anonymous at Fri, 25 Oct 2024 18:45:16 UTC No. 16449304
>>16448943
>all atoms will be destroyed or turned to iron
if you can use e=mc^2 to convert zero-point energy into matter, you can do so at any time and get whatever type of element you want.
>expansion of the universe tearing apart atoms
I think that's only in the big rip scenario, which most physicists don't buy into, preferring heat death
>migrating to a younger parallel universe, time traveling into the past or creating own baby universe
Yeah I'm thinking migrating to a younger parallel universe is probably the best idea for a civilization.
Anonymous at Fri, 25 Oct 2024 21:38:42 UTC No. 16449529
>>16441362
What's then point of making these retarded questions?
Anonymous at Fri, 25 Oct 2024 21:59:54 UTC No. 16449572
>>16441362
Zero point energy is a finite amount of energy a quantum system has in it's ground state.
During electron capture the system collapses and the associate zero point energy of the electron gets added to the total energy of the nucleus.
Where do people get the idea that zero point energy is infinite?
Anonymous at Fri, 25 Oct 2024 23:49:23 UTC No. 16449726
>>16449572
idk chatgpt said it would be an eternal source of energy if tapped. I'm not a physicist. ask it yourself. I trust it more than I trust you.
Anonymous at Fri, 25 Oct 2024 23:53:23 UTC No. 16449730
>>16449726
>if
If you could perpetually dig a hill, gravity would be eternal as well.
elefski at Fri, 25 Oct 2024 23:59:34 UTC No. 16449736
They think the sacrifices are over
because they never knew how to live.
elefski at Sat, 26 Oct 2024 00:12:06 UTC No. 16449766
They think the sacrifices are over
because they never knew how to live.
Anonymous at Sat, 26 Oct 2024 01:16:41 UTC No. 16449855
>>16449726
>I'm not a physicist
No shit
Anonymous at Sat, 26 Oct 2024 01:51:09 UTC No. 16449929
>>16449855
it's finite in watts but eternal
Anonymous at Sat, 26 Oct 2024 05:44:37 UTC No. 16450101
>>16441362
i think you're vastly overestimating how much vacuum energy is available. It's doubtful you would be able to power anything even if somehow you could harness some. There's very very little of it.
Anonymous at Sat, 26 Oct 2024 19:43:23 UTC No. 16451121
>>16450101
there isn't a consensus on how much vacuum energy there is. it could be 10^-9 watts per cubic meter, 10^40-10^50 watts per cubic meter, or I think chatgpt said the highest estimate is more than 10^100 cubic watts per meter. I know this board doesn't believe in aliens because NASA would never lie to us, but Dr. Steven Greer said the grey aliens he's talked to invented zero-point energy long ago, and there is supposedly enough energy in a cup of space to boil off all the world's oceans. This is not in line with the 10^-9 watts so of the other options, the most conservative estimate is 10^40 watts per cubic meter, which is 100 trillion times more power output than the sun in just a cubic meter of tapped space. This is why Greer says the men in black kill anyone who invents zero-point energy. The power elites are evil and want us enslaved to them. Of course, *they* have zero-point energy, it's just that they don't want us to have it. I'm just wondering if it's a matter of time if we get it, like perhaps when the singularity happens, and if we do get it, will that make us be able to outlive the heat death?