Anonymous at Fri, 25 Oct 2024 04:25:49 UTC No. 16448385
The first drink of the natural sciences turns you into an atheist anon but god is waiting for you at the bottom of the glass. Unless demons keep tricking you and filling your glass with bullshit.
I think he's saying that the proof of god is in creation all around us. It is self evident in the design of our world and ourselves. His bit about the candle I think is also alluding to the scientific/technological designs of man on our world/universe pale in comparison to the majesty of natural creation.
There's that saying from the bible or wherever. I can't find it but it says something like: the kingdom of man is a poor imitation of the kingdom of god.
Anonymous at Fri, 25 Oct 2024 04:36:04 UTC No. 16448397
>>16448385
It's kind of incredible that the only place you don't see beauty in the natural world is when you're down in the weeds. If you took a microscope to those weeds you'd see beautiful woven lattices of cells and multi-protien complexes. Get an even more powerful microscope and you see the simultaneously elegant and mind-boggling geometry of physical chemistry.
If you got a 30,000 ft view above the forest you get to see the incredible wonder that is a natural ecology, with biosphere and geosphere engaged in a delicate balanced dance that sees millenia acting as the measures. Zoom out even further and you get to see the Eldritch and incomprehensible power of celestial bodies up to galactic scale.
It is only down in the weeds that you feel this world is so dark and devoid of life.
Anonymous at Fri, 25 Oct 2024 04:43:54 UTC No. 16448408
Which one?
>>16448385
Anonymous at Fri, 25 Oct 2024 04:45:32 UTC No. 16448409
>>16448397
And science being too "down in the weeds" and not seeing "the forest for the trees" is a large part of why it is in the current mess that it is. Overly autistic and strongly disincentives grand thinkers.
When I was doing my PhD, people kept talking about "finding your niche". Like finding a small topic that you could establish a presence in and ride with for your career. It seemed like such small time thinking for me and really pissed me off. Like your little niche was all you could be and what defined you.
And that small time thinking also leads to all the current disasters that we have designed in our pathetic "kingdom of men". Genetically engineering crops to be pest resistant without considering downstream effects of human health. Chemical insecticides with profound health consequences. Pummeling everyone with non stop radio waves that do God knows what to people. Etc. Etc. Just a disaster. Insane, catastrophic hubris.
Anonymous at Fri, 25 Oct 2024 14:11:09 UTC No. 16448987
Imagine a 3 year old approaching the strongest man in the world and someone in the audience shouts for the child to try to prove if the man is stronger
Anonymous at Fri, 25 Oct 2024 14:29:54 UTC No. 16449015
>>16448397
Diatoms are interesting. I hate seeing them in my fish tank as they look like ugly brown sludge but under a microscope they're pic related.
Anonymous at Fri, 25 Oct 2024 15:32:54 UTC No. 16449079
>>16448354
>Praise Ra!
He's just setting up a strawman for Carl Sagan to knock down. This was the plan all along.
Anonymous at Fri, 25 Oct 2024 15:34:53 UTC No. 16449082
>>16449015
My man, you are the real deal. Keep searching for and finding the beauty of life in all its infinite variety.
Stop guessing start learning at Fri, 25 Oct 2024 15:36:04 UTC No. 16449084
>>16448385
Agreed. Science led me to God. I'm not even joking
Anonymous at Fri, 25 Oct 2024 18:49:49 UTC No. 16449313
>>16449015
Hey man, >>16448397 guy here. Your response made me smile and made my day better. Thank you, anon. Keep it up.
Anonymous at Fri, 25 Oct 2024 19:04:55 UTC No. 16449347
>>16448354
>Duurrr it's OBVIOUS
To the Egyptians it was obvious that the sun was a god and that it died and was reborn every day.
Obvious doesn't cut it for truth. Truth demands proof
Anonymous at Fri, 25 Oct 2024 20:38:06 UTC No. 16449468
>>16449347
The language here is interesting.
> Truth demands proof.
Truth just is. Truth doesn't demand anything, WE demand proof so that we can understand whether something is the truth (let alone Truth with a capital T).
I think you're missing the forest for the trees. Yes, the Egyptians didn't believe in the same Abrahamic God as Judaism/Christianity/Islam of today, and the people of the future may not either. They will still be grasping at the same thing when they reach for the divine to explain the beauty, unimaginable scale and the complex interplay of and order around them.
Anonymous at Fri, 25 Oct 2024 20:46:43 UTC No. 16449476
>>16449468
Diluting your god into some abstract notion of divinity is a meaningless action.
>"My God is a perfectly spherical ball of light that controls all events in the universe past, present and future, all at once bla bla bla"
It proves nothing other than your ability to play an adult form of
>"well I have infinity + 1 more than you do!"