🧵 Animals die in winter
Anonymous at Sat, 26 Oct 2024 18:59:47 UTC No. 16451087
What happens with the animals when it's freezing cold -25C during winter?
What happens with flies, deer, mice, birds, fish, ants, wolves, spiders, etc.
Even if they live in warmer places like Texas and Florida, there are rare days when even such places have very cold weather that a human will die in few hours if he isn't inside house.
Anonymous at Sat, 26 Oct 2024 19:08:45 UTC No. 16451095
>>16451087
Humans are a tropical species. We assume that every other animals prefers the same temperatures we do.
If you talk to a bovine veterinarian, for example, they will tell you that cows are most comfortable at about 5°C.
Anonymous at Sat, 26 Oct 2024 19:37:27 UTC No. 16451116
>>16451095
Pretty much. The weather somewhere like Hawaii is near perfect for humans. There are very rarely any days where you would freeze to death.
Anonymous at Sat, 26 Oct 2024 19:37:43 UTC No. 16451118
>>16451087
just burrow in, -25c is fine for a man. not comrtable but not lethal
Anonymous at Sat, 26 Oct 2024 19:44:11 UTC No. 16451122
>>16451087
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zkd
Anonymous at Sat, 26 Oct 2024 20:15:59 UTC No. 16451155
A thermodynamics professor at my university was rumored to have a refrigerated barn in which he kept cows in sub freezing temperatures and with only four hours of light per day because he was trying to breed a new species of cow that could live in arctic conditions.
Anonymous at Sat, 26 Oct 2024 20:24:21 UTC No. 16451159
>>16451087
They all die. Spontaneous macro generation is real.
🗑️ Anonymous at Sat, 26 Oct 2024 20:45:35 UTC No. 16451189
>>16451095
If you are brown or black. White skin is adapted to low winter sun. Also, intelligence boost to seek heat sources.
Anonymous at Sat, 26 Oct 2024 20:48:44 UTC No. 16451199
>>16451189
Only because we wore clothing. Skin tone isn't at all the only thing that determines survival in a cold environment. Try going outside on a winter day with no clothes and see how long you last.
Anonymous at Sat, 26 Oct 2024 20:50:27 UTC No. 16451203
>flies,
Egg is in frozen shit. Wakes up on spring
>deer,
Has fur, seeks food
>mice,
Has fur, seeks shelter and food
>birds,
Flies to south
>fish,
Even a lake is frozen, there is +4C area near bottom that is not frozen. Their vitals will slow down accordingly
>ants,
Lives inside nests
>wolves,
Has shelter, fur, seeks food
>spiders
Idk lives in some cave
Anonymous at Sat, 26 Oct 2024 20:51:37 UTC No. 16451205
>>16451199
Making clothing is a part of evolution, sweaty
Anonymous at Sat, 26 Oct 2024 21:03:23 UTC No. 16451225
>>16451199
Laughs in Wim Hof.
Anonymous at Sat, 26 Oct 2024 23:51:22 UTC No. 16451396
>>16451095
>Humans are a tropical species. We assume that every other animals prefers the same temperatures we do.
The animals that I listed don't seem to be built for arctics. They don't have fat tissue like Penguins and Polar bears.
>If you talk to a bovine veterinarian, for example, they will tell you that cows are most comfortable at about 5°C.
I don't listen to veterinarians because they are psychopaths and retards, they don't know shit. How can they know that cows like 5C?
Anonymous at Sun, 27 Oct 2024 00:59:51 UTC No. 16451463
>>16451116
>There are very rarely any days where you would freeze to death.
But rarely, they happen. Cold air moves from north and it's -10C. What happens to humans there that live on trees and don't have clothes?
Anonymous at Sun, 27 Oct 2024 01:07:40 UTC No. 16451468
>>16451225
>hyperventilates
>dives under the ice
>shallow-water blackout
>dies
heh, nothing personnel
Anonymous at Sun, 27 Oct 2024 03:48:37 UTC No. 16451661
>>16451396
They tried to put a cow coat on them and they ran away instead.
Anonymous at Sun, 27 Oct 2024 10:52:11 UTC No. 16451965
>>16451118
Why didn't they just burrow in?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dyatl
Anonymous at Sun, 27 Oct 2024 14:23:01 UTC No. 16452205
>>16451155
Cows are fat and big, while humans have thin limbs and body. Humans have larger surface compared to mass, than a cow. Small animals also have very large surface but tiny mass and heat generation.
>cow that could live in arctic conditions.
And what are cows going to eat in arctics? Snow?
EBOK at Sun, 27 Oct 2024 14:27:29 UTC No. 16452213
>>16451661
YOULL BE PUNISHED FOR HOW YOU TREATED THIS COW. EACH AND EVERY ANIMAL IS OWED YOUR HELL. YOU WILL PAY FOR EACH CRIME.
Mouf
Anonymous at Sun, 27 Oct 2024 15:49:36 UTC No. 16452313
Most cold adapted animals don't sweat for one thing. It's a bitch in winter. Sweating makes feet damp, which then cools dramatically and you get ice blocks for feet. If only we had wolf genes that never sweat on the body but very miniscule amount on the feet for running grip, that would make life so much easier to stay warm in winter. Also most true cold adapted animals have a counter current heat exchange vein and artery layout to their limbs whereas human have the very lossy inefficient con current heat exchange system. That's the reason 40kg huskys can sleep on the snow and stay healthy whereas big 90kg+ men can lose their fingers from a short period of time in the cold. Animals as big as humans should not be losing our fingers in the cold but we do because of our retarded vein layout. It's hypothesised that neanderthals had counter current veins. That would be nice.
Anonymous at Sun, 27 Oct 2024 15:50:39 UTC No. 16452314
>>16452313
https://www.snexplores.org/article/
https://iditarod.com/edu/a-super-ci
https://phys.org/news/2012-01-dogs-
https://wolfies.place/do-dogs-get-f
https://www.scirp.org/journal/paper
Lot a birds have it too a counter current vein layout,it's the optimal layout for blood carrying vessels. Maybe one day we'll engineer it into us
Anonymous at Sun, 27 Oct 2024 15:51:46 UTC No. 16452315
>>16452314
Also, counter current would average slightly warmer hands. Initially in a cold environment a dogs paws might be cooler than a humans but as we lose heat rapidly our core would shut off most blood going to the hands whereas the dog would still have a marginal amount flowing at all times. So over the long term a dogs paws with counter current would actually average higher temps then a humans who would start off warmer but then get progressively colder over the proceeding 10s of minutes untill it gets so cold the hand temp goes below freezing and ice form s inside the cells( frostbite) all the while dog is literally chilling in the corner unbothered. I tested this last year actually with a lazer thermometer. I was indoors in winter with the fire burning, my hands read 33c. My dog was outside sitting down staring at the birds during dusk, must have been 2c outside. Dogs paws read about 6c. I stayed out there smoking about 3 American spirit cigarettes, which if you know em, a typcial cig is a 3 minute affair but spirits are closer to 10 minutes. After half an hour with light layer on of shirt and denim jacket I read my hands: 4c. Just 2 above the ambient temperature, meanwhile the dog? 6c again, the exact same. So you can see if I stayed out there all night eventually as temps dipped even lower I'd risk losing my fingers. Anyway, inside the pair of us went to rewarm ourselves and I watched the green knight, an Arthurian legend film by david lowery,( very strange but lots of menaing to it's content so it was a confusing but deep experience). In conclusion, counter current beats con current everytime unless you live in an oven and like to go on long jogs ie the Saharan plains.
Anonymous at Sun, 27 Oct 2024 17:02:27 UTC No. 16452408
>>16452205
Polar bears. Not sure if cows would need to avoid the livers or not as their vitamin A needs might be very different than it is for humans.
Anonymous at Sun, 27 Oct 2024 17:57:02 UTC No. 16452500
>>16451199
what's your point? we wear clothes, don't we? how long will a hermit crab survive if it doesn't wear clothes?
Anonymous at Sun, 27 Oct 2024 19:01:45 UTC No. 16452572
>>16451965
They did
If they'd had enough food they all would have easily survived, barring illness or injury
Anonymous at Sun, 27 Oct 2024 20:17:56 UTC No. 16452697
>>16451189
White skin gives nothing, just more Vitamin D if you live outside equator, such as north or south africa.
White skin will not protect you from freezing. Humans that live outside africa would die without technology.
Anonymous at Sun, 27 Oct 2024 22:53:23 UTC No. 16452912
>>16451203
>flies
>Egg is in frozen shit. Wakes up on spring
So they die in winter and grow from eggs in spring? How do they know how to live, gather food, procreate, if they don't have parents and schools to teach them?
>deer,
>Has fur,
Not enough to survive cold. If human wears a "fur" like jacket he will die in -15C.
>seeks food
What?
>mice,
>Has fur,
It's thin fur and mice generates little heat.
>seeks shelter and food
In buildings and sewers? What do they eat?
What was before humans and cities? Mice didn't survive winter in Europe?
>birds,
>Flies to south
What about chickens?
>fish,
>Even a lake is frozen, there is +4C area near bottom that is not frozen. Their vitals will slow down accordingly
How they survive +4C and what they eat? Most fish have little fat to insulate them.
>ants,
>Lives inside nests
Nests also get -15C unless they are half meter underground.
>wolves,
>Has shelter
Where, what?
>fur
Too thin.
>seeks food
How does food give him protection from -20C?
>spiders
>Idk lives in some cave
There are no caves. Caves are rare.
Anonymous at Mon, 28 Oct 2024 07:47:50 UTC No. 16453318
>>16451087
Did you know your body can produce a lot of heat? it just doesn't want to.
Anonymous at Mon, 28 Oct 2024 08:01:49 UTC No. 16453325
>>16452500
>what's your point?
The point is white people are not really adapted to winter, skin tone is a really simple thing to select for, evolutionarily speaking, its much harder to make a human be able to naturally live in sub-freezing weather. Only adaptation in that regards would be making people much bigger and fatter, like a bear. Some nordics are a bit like that but not even close to what is needed
Anonymous at Mon, 28 Oct 2024 09:56:24 UTC No. 16453389
>>16451199
>duhhh you only survived because of your instinct to make tools and clothing
no shit genius, that's what being a human being is
Anonymous at Mon, 28 Oct 2024 10:07:16 UTC No. 16453393
Animals are decked out in fur over basically every inch of their bodies and their heating systems are drastically different from ours. Yesterday I got into an argument with my dumbass bitch of a neighbour and she said im cruel because I keep my dog outside, even when its freezing. Well guess what, my dog has a double-layered coat, he doesn't sweat or regulate his heat like humans do AND on top of all that he undergoes body fat recomposition every autumn meaning he will suddenly start eating much more than usual, and I oblige him. His fur grows thicker and he gets an added layer of fat. Which is why I see him curled up comfily in snowpiles when its -15C outside and there is actually nothing detrimental to the animal's health about it, they have survived worse for millions of years now when there weren't even human.
Then when spring comes my dog will stop eating so much, drops his winter coat and slims down for summer, every year, like clockwork. Whoever said humans are literally african species was spot on, its us outside the norm, not animals.
Anonymous at Mon, 28 Oct 2024 11:15:38 UTC No. 16453424
>>16451205
What’s the best technology we have come up with? Wool?
Anonymous at Mon, 28 Oct 2024 15:51:45 UTC No. 16453639
>>16451205
Animals do not make clothes, so do they die in winter?
Anonymous at Mon, 28 Oct 2024 18:12:35 UTC No. 16453833
>>16452205
The Arctic has vegetation, and there are already large ruminants, moose, caribou, and muskoxen, that live there.
Anonymous at Mon, 28 Oct 2024 20:42:14 UTC No. 16453972
>>16451087
Depending on the animal, some combination of:
shelter (external insulation)
thermal mass of water/soil/wood/snow/ice
massing together
fur
thick skin
large size
shape minimizing surface area
insulating fat layer
counter-current heat exchange and/or rete mirabilia for extremities
minimal blood flow to extremities
supercooling
cryoprotectants
dehydration
feathers
high metabolism
food/fat reserves
migration
Every example you gave uses at least a couple of these strategies.
Anonymous at Mon, 28 Oct 2024 20:59:32 UTC No. 16453995
>>16451087
I survive by turning the heater to the max
Anonymous at Mon, 28 Oct 2024 22:54:03 UTC No. 16454122
>>16451661
That means shit. The cows might been scared of the coat or didn't like the touch. The experiment proves nothing.
Anonymous at Tue, 29 Oct 2024 00:29:47 UTC No. 16454229
>>16452912
>Nests also get -15C unless they are half meter underground.
No they don't
Anonymous at Tue, 29 Oct 2024 03:20:12 UTC No. 16454393
>>16453325
they are adapted to winter though, hence the white skin and further developed intelligence and cooperative behavior to allow survival in that environment
Anonymous at Tue, 29 Oct 2024 03:55:16 UTC No. 16454415
>>16451087
On a cold night a predator doesn't sleep, it prowls and finds sufficient body heat to keep itself warm through the night and rests in the heat of the daytime
Anonymous at Tue, 29 Oct 2024 06:12:29 UTC No. 16454506
>>16454393
>hence the white skin
This isnt enough adaptation
>>16454393
>urther developed intelligence and cooperative behavior to allow survival in that environment
This isnt a biological adaptation.
Anonymous at Tue, 29 Oct 2024 06:12:41 UTC No. 16454507
>>16452205
>And what are cows going to eat in arctics? Snow?
reindeer do fine, in situations where they can't dig to under-snow grasses they eat lichens off rocks.
Cows are naturally migratory like reindeer as well.
Though really we should just farm reindeer.
Anonymous at Tue, 29 Oct 2024 08:42:47 UTC No. 16454582
>>16454506
>This isnt a biological adaptation.
yes it is
Anonymous at Tue, 29 Oct 2024 08:44:41 UTC No. 16454584
>>16454582
No it isnt
Anonymous at Tue, 29 Oct 2024 14:35:10 UTC No. 16454784
>>16452313
Why the paws of Husky don't freeze and die if they don't get warm blood?
Anonymous at Tue, 29 Oct 2024 17:33:27 UTC No. 16454961
>>16454784
It's above freezing but below core temperature
EBOK at Tue, 29 Oct 2024 17:36:15 UTC No. 16454967
>>16454961
Just like your mom's anus
EBOK at Tue, 29 Oct 2024 17:40:39 UTC No. 16454971
>>16454967
Things are normal below average temperatures down there
Anonymous at Tue, 29 Oct 2024 22:17:59 UTC No. 16455337
>>16452315
I don't understand.
Even if human system puts too warm blood into the hands and loses a lot of energy, when the hand gets cold (5c) it loses less energy so it should be the same as dog has a paw with 5C even if he has counter current.
Anonymous at Wed, 30 Oct 2024 09:16:22 UTC No. 16455703
>>16452408
Cows cannot eat meat.
Anonymous at Wed, 30 Oct 2024 17:03:09 UTC No. 16455998
>>16455337
Human hands have a lot more exposed skin than dog paws so they lose a lot more heat at the same temperature
Anonymous at Wed, 30 Oct 2024 17:14:03 UTC No. 16456010
>>16452697
US military acknowledged niggers are significantly more prone to frostbite
>Humans that live outside africa would die without technology
Whites can survive here with pre-historic technology
Niggers require a highly interconnected economy and high technology to keep advanced indoor heating systems functioning
Anonymous at Wed, 30 Oct 2024 17:15:59 UTC No. 16456014
>>16453325
>its much harder to make a human be able to naturally live in sub-freezing weather
Melanin genes are inversely correlated with intelligence. This has been demonstrated both in humans and rodents.
Anonymous at Wed, 30 Oct 2024 18:35:18 UTC No. 16456098
>>16452697
It's more than skin deep. Subcutaneous fat layout among other optimizations.
I routinely go to work during 45F mornings in just the same thing anti-sun longnsleeve shirt as I wear when it's 90.
>dude aren't you cold
No, not really my mexiland friend. And as soon as the sun's up I'm not cold at all.
Anonymous at Wed, 30 Oct 2024 18:36:19 UTC No. 16456101
>>16456098
>just the same thin*
My bad.
Anonymous at Thu, 31 Oct 2024 01:58:26 UTC No. 16456530
>>16455337
But the human core temp continues to fall if you don't have heavy clothing on, and the arteries and capillaries won't relax and bring warm blood to the hand unless the core is warm, but our core wont stay warm without heavy clothes because we have a lossy artery configuration.
As such the human hand gets colder and colder until it's below freezing at which point cold injuries occur, whereas the dogs who have nothing but their fur pelt which offers only moderate cold protection, their internal temp remains stable because their efficient counter current layout, and so while it's paws might be cool, 5c, it'll stay at 5c even in frigid temperatures such as minus 25c. The dog and wolf can be in contact with snow and not lose their paws because just enough warm blood( warm blood that persists inside the core because of the efficient artery layout) is permitted to the paws. Humans just get colder and colder and try to shiver to generate some heat but that's a temporary solution afterwhich your hands feet nose freeze then you die of hypothermia.
humans have evolved to live in the great rift valley in Africa, one of the hottest places on earth. We are incredibly heat resistant but suck at cold.
Anonymous at Thu, 31 Oct 2024 02:03:57 UTC No. 16456535
>>16456010
https://youtu.be/v2uiW6acEAw&t=2m43
Anonymous at Thu, 31 Oct 2024 02:14:47 UTC No. 16456545
>>16453424
Wolf fur, bear fur, buffalo fur Is much much warmer than wool, but if you layer up heavyweight wool cloth ie, wool shirt, sweater jacket and overcoat, then that is also excellently warm, trouble is heavyweight 30oz + cloth is really only found in vintage early 20th century clothing, wool today is dogshit thin and expensive aswell.
Anonymous at Thu, 31 Oct 2024 02:54:46 UTC No. 16456584
Well, you see...not all animals are humans.
Some animals evolve to have this hairy stuff called "fur". It helps to keep them warm during the winter. Some animals will even huddle together with their own kind to help stay warm.
Fish adapt to the temperate around them.
Some insects are freeze resistant and some insects just die off during winter and the next batch hatches again when things warm up.
Birds migrate.
Anonymous at Thu, 31 Oct 2024 12:14:37 UTC No. 16456849
>>16456098
Running about being active in a t shirt is a world of difference from standing still stationary. Wim hoff climbed some of mount everest in shorts and a t shirt, but he slept in winter clothing inside a winter sleeping bag inside a tent. You aren't a nordic ice warrior, your a well fed, well rested man running around doing errands, after which your back indoors to central heating and comfort.
https://youtu.be/-oOlAGKBXnA
Anonymous at Thu, 31 Oct 2024 13:46:25 UTC No. 16456917
>>16456545
>buffalo fur Is much much warmer
Damn 5 grand? Think I'll skip lol. Looks pretty fuckin G though, I'd imagine you'd never have to pay for heating again
https://www.merlinshideout.com/shop
Anonymous at Thu, 31 Oct 2024 15:06:07 UTC No. 16457036
>>16452572
They didn't. Read the article.
They died from cold, not from hunger and anorexia. Humans can survive few months without food.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dyatl
Anonymous at Thu, 31 Oct 2024 15:22:22 UTC No. 16457071
>>16451199
northerners literally have lower surface areas, thicker fat layers and higher metabolisms generating heat than africans
or look at the selk'nam people of the far tip of south america
Anonymous at Thu, 31 Oct 2024 15:23:35 UTC No. 16457073
>>16451203
there is a species of mice that was carried over to svalbard by russians that has managed to establish colonies there
Anonymous at Thu, 31 Oct 2024 15:26:03 UTC No. 16457075
>>16456545
I remember mors kochanski talking about old style hudson bay company issued wool blankets, super thick super warm and how they had to custom order replicas but they kept people warm like nothing else.
Anonymous at Thu, 31 Oct 2024 15:31:46 UTC No. 16457083
>>16451661
That's a calf jacket though? they are literally only used for like the first month on vulnerable animals because after a month calves should have developed a functional rumen fgermenting vat and those things just belch out heat, I think If I remember right as long as cows have access to enough fermentable fodder they can survive down at least to -20.
naturally wcalves would generally be born during the warm spring period where the cold shouldn't be a problem
Anonymous at Thu, 31 Oct 2024 15:32:57 UTC No. 16457085
>>16452205
>Cows are fat and big
nah, that's less important cows are literally carryning around there own little fermentation vat heater like all ruminants
Anonymous at Thu, 31 Oct 2024 23:07:36 UTC No. 16457534
>>16453318
No, humans produce little heat and they have to eat food all day. If you will exercise to produce heat this will make you tired and consume 3500 kcal per day.
Anonymous at Fri, 1 Nov 2024 00:21:50 UTC No. 16457586
>>16451199
white people literally evolved white skin to better absorb vitamin d in places with weak or little sunlight, which are cold places. whites and some Asians are simply better adapted to the cold than dark skinned people, whose skin is trying to block as much sunlight as possible because they're constantly exposed to it.
Anonymous at Fri, 1 Nov 2024 10:03:06 UTC No. 16457962
>>16451396
>How can they know that cows like 5C?
They use facts and logic
The surface-to-volume ratio of a cow means that they lose heat with more difficulty than we do. An ambient temperature of 5C provides adequate cooling.
Anonymous at Fri, 1 Nov 2024 15:36:46 UTC No. 16458290
>>16451199
I love seeing retarded redditors like this get shit on
Anonymous at Fri, 1 Nov 2024 15:43:48 UTC No. 16458297
>>16451095
> cows are most comfortable at about 5°C
Yet they would have nothing to eat in areas with 5°C
Anonymous at Fri, 1 Nov 2024 16:23:24 UTC No. 16458352
>>16451189
Please go out at -25°C with your superior white skin and show us how well adapted you are. The more naked the better.
Anonymous at Fri, 1 Nov 2024 17:06:34 UTC No. 16458414
>>16458352
What does that have to do with winter sun? Don't tell me you - a man of science - got so triggered by the correlation between white skin and intelligence you started talking about random scenarios apart from the comment you replied to.
Anonymous at Fri, 1 Nov 2024 19:45:45 UTC No. 16458756
>>16458414
He's saying white skin ain't all that. It'll help with vit d synthesis but it won't protect you from the cold
Anonymous at Fri, 1 Nov 2024 19:52:26 UTC No. 16458766
>completely braindead question
>ends up being just a flimsy excuse to spam /pol/shit
yep that tracks
Anonymous at Fri, 1 Nov 2024 23:55:59 UTC No. 16459052
>>16452313
Countercurrent heat exchange is a really neat trick in general.
Anonymous at Sat, 2 Nov 2024 00:43:52 UTC No. 16459106
>>16456010
That's only modern nigger cattle who are useless at everything. If you took a hunter gatherer tribe from africa and explained the rudiments of cold weather life, they would probably be fine after the first few keeled over from frostbite and they realised cold=dangerous. Only as Hunter gatherers with abundant game though. If you expected them to start cooperative agricultural settlements planning for the seasons ahead? Lol lmao.
Anonymous at Sat, 2 Nov 2024 00:56:10 UTC No. 16459119
>>16451087
Some animals burrow into the ground, which basically never gets cold enough to be lethal. In most places if theres snow on the ground and the air is 10 F, the ground will still be 40 F. Some animals, mainly birds, migrate to tropical areas. Some animals hibernate, and some animals just all die off while their eggs get frozen, mainly insects.
Anonymous at Sat, 2 Nov 2024 09:21:38 UTC No. 16459473
>>16457534
if you are even just constantly walking you will produce a lot more heat than normal
Anonymous at Sat, 2 Nov 2024 10:58:26 UTC No. 16459531
>>16453325
Another problem is that even nordic regions actually have high temperatures during summer. But humans could lose their fat for warm months and gain before winter.
How did people live and survive in the cold regions before we got heavy polyester jackets, central heating, houses with insulated walls, fridges?
Anonymous at Sat, 2 Nov 2024 12:54:50 UTC No. 16459586
>>16459052
Used in engineering all the time
Anonymous at Sat, 2 Nov 2024 17:11:30 UTC No. 16459783
>>16459531
They wore clothes and had fire
Anonymous at Sat, 2 Nov 2024 17:25:27 UTC No. 16459794
>>16451965
>Overnight, something caused them to cut their way out of their tent and flee the campsite while inadequately dressed for the heavy snowfall and subzero temperatures. After the group's bodies were discovered, an investigation by Soviet authorities determined that six of them had died from hypothermia while the other three had been killed by physical trauma. One victim had major skull damage, two had severe chest trauma, and another had a small crack in his skull. Four of the bodies were found lying in running water in a creek, and three of these four had damaged soft tissue of the head and face – two of the bodies had missing eyes, one had a missing tongue, and one had missing eyebrows.
Can't burrow away from an angry yeti
Anonymous at Sun, 3 Nov 2024 01:44:03 UTC No. 16460387
>>16453325
>>16459531
By that logic animals that survive winter by huddling, burrowing, hibernating etc. aren't really adapted to winter because if they didn't do those things they would die.
It's obvious that white people are adapted to winter because they have been thriving in winter environments naturally for hundreds of thousands of years. The only part you could debate is what traits contributed best to that adaption. Lowering the melanin was a clear example that helped but of course wasn't sufficient on its own.
Anonymous at Sun, 3 Nov 2024 03:12:30 UTC No. 16460471
>>16453389
But why did humans even try to survive in the winter, what is the point when you can just live in Africa and South Asia?
Anonymous at Sun, 3 Nov 2024 10:52:35 UTC No. 16460772
>>16453393
She was right, dogs are not made for -15C. Penguins are made for -15C.
Anonymous at Sun, 3 Nov 2024 18:58:23 UTC No. 16461247
>>16453833
Then why port cows to the Arctics if we already have arctic cows like the ones you listed?
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Nov 2024 12:14:33 UTC No. 16462010
>>16453972
>Every example you gave uses at least a couple of these strategies.
Then tell me what strategies are used by each of the animal I listed.
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Nov 2024 13:44:00 UTC No. 16462088
>>16452205
Small animals can be pretty warm. Ever been stepped on by a cat? Their paws are surprisingly hot tot he touch.
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Nov 2024 13:47:24 UTC No. 16462091
>>16452314
Maybe warmer hands mean better manual dexterity?
Anonymous at Tue, 5 Nov 2024 11:26:35 UTC No. 16463417
how did humans survive in Norway and Canada, before modern technology?
Anonymous at Tue, 5 Nov 2024 19:08:40 UTC No. 16463956
>>16463417
they were just hardcore, man
Anonymous at Tue, 5 Nov 2024 22:08:18 UTC No. 16464149
>>16451095
Speak for yourself I'd kill myself if I had to live around humid swamp shit heat my entire life. LOVE ME DEHYDRATED WINTER
Anonymous at Wed, 6 Nov 2024 10:15:57 UTC No. 16464787
>>16455998
Okay, humans have hands with large surface but little mass, dogs and cats have short hands and fingers.
Anonymous at Thu, 7 Nov 2024 11:25:35 UTC No. 16465906
>>16456010
>Whites can survive here with pre-historic technology
Like what? You cannot survive winter and Arctics with stupid "clothes" made of animal skins.
Anonymous at Fri, 8 Nov 2024 01:45:22 UTC No. 16466672
>>16458297
Grass grows fine at that temperature.
Anonymous at Fri, 8 Nov 2024 01:58:24 UTC No. 16466682
>>16462088
How the fuck does a sparrow get into a birdbath at 5 C, cover themselves in cold water and then fly off like it's nothing? If I dipped my whole body in there, I'd be dying.
Anonymous at Fri, 8 Nov 2024 11:24:44 UTC No. 16467010
>>16456530
>humans have evolved to live in the great rift valley in Africa, one of the hottest places on earth. We are incredibly heat resistant but suck at cold.
But why would anybody live in the cold?
Some animals live but only because they lost competition in the tropics and had to find new place. And there is not many animals and plants in the cold, the density of living things is low, there is no food and no energy.
Anonymous at Fri, 8 Nov 2024 13:53:09 UTC No. 16467139
>>16466672
It grows very slow and short
Anonymous at Sat, 9 Nov 2024 10:32:47 UTC No. 16468130
>>16456545
>wool today is dogshit thin and expensive aswell.
This is what capitalists do. They lower the quality and increase prices.
Anonymous at Sun, 10 Nov 2024 11:16:20 UTC No. 16469483
>>16456584
>Some animals evolve to have this hairy stuff called "fur". It helps to keep them warm during the winter. Some animals will even huddle together with their own kind to help stay warm.
Why don't Eskimo or Norwegian people have fur? Because it's too hot in the summer?
>Fish adapt to the temperate around them.
Why humans don't? Also water takes your heat away faster than air, so how can fish live?
>Some insects are freeze resistant
Why humans aren't? If we had more salt in our blood it wouldn't freeze.
>some insects just die off during winter and the next batch hatches again when things warm up.
Then how do the new baby insects know how to live and what to do if they don't have parents and schools to teach them? If you had a human like this, without parents and everything, this human wouldn't even speak, also baby human would just die from starvation and animals eating it.
>Birds migrate.
Why humans don't?
Anonymous at Mon, 11 Nov 2024 10:19:29 UTC No. 16470612
>>16457071
No, they don't. The fattest people live in America and Oceania.
Anonymous at Mon, 11 Nov 2024 12:43:24 UTC No. 16470690
>>16460471
Because that's the human spirit. Evolution granted us the ability to exceed our nature.
Anonymous at Mon, 11 Nov 2024 22:49:53 UTC No. 16471351
>>16451463
>What happens to humans there that live on trees and don't have clothes?
They get locked up
Anonymous at Mon, 11 Nov 2024 22:51:30 UTC No. 16471352
>>16451468
skill issue
Anonymous at Mon, 11 Nov 2024 22:52:59 UTC No. 16471354
>>16460471
Because Africa is full of niggers
Anonymous at Mon, 11 Nov 2024 23:07:43 UTC No. 16471369
>>16454784
Huskies sleep with their feet tucked into their fur.
When running on snow and ice they wear booties.
If their booties got soaked or fall off they typically lost their paws to frostbite and were shot or abandoned.
Sucks but that's just the way things happened back in the day.
Anonymous at Tue, 12 Nov 2024 10:24:08 UTC No. 16471828
>>16471369
>When running on snow and ice they wear booties.
They wear what????
Anonymous at Wed, 13 Nov 2024 11:50:05 UTC No. 16473258
>>16457586
People in North Africa and South Asia have white skin. So white skin is not evidence that humans evolved to live in Norway or Alaska. It is only evidence that humans evolved to live outside equator and central Africa.
Anonymous at Wed, 13 Nov 2024 12:52:47 UTC No. 16473300
>>16473258
> People in North Africa and South Asia have
dark skin. Yes, for a non white person it might seems to look like white skin.
🗑️ Anonymous at Thu, 14 Nov 2024 12:27:55 UTC No. 16474683
>>16451087
Niggers die in winter
Anonymous at Fri, 15 Nov 2024 00:24:47 UTC No. 16475444
>>16459119
>Some animals, mainly birds, migrate to tropical areas
Why do they come back? Why don't they stay all year there?
>and some animals just all die off while their eggs get frozen, mainly insects.
How to insect then know how to live and do things if they don't have parents and schools because everybody died in the winter?
Anonymous at Fri, 15 Nov 2024 00:37:00 UTC No. 16475458
>>16475444
>Why don't they stay all year there
More competition, disease, and predators
>How to insect then know how to live and do things if they don't have parents and schools because everybody died in the winter?
Instinct
Anonymous at Fri, 15 Nov 2024 10:28:09 UTC No. 16475886
>>16459473
You think you will walk 24 hours per day, even during sleep? Do you know that walking consumes energy?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dyatl
Why didn't they just walk to be warm?
Anonymous at Fri, 15 Nov 2024 11:04:29 UTC No. 16475918
>>16452912
>>16475444
Do better with the pretend retard act if (you) want more (you)s
Anonymous at Fri, 15 Nov 2024 12:36:07 UTC No. 16475999
>>16475886
>Why didn't they just walk to be warm?
Because they were russians and therefor stupid.
They probably undressed and had some anal rape before they all shot themselves while the weather was actually nice and sunny.
Anonymous at Fri, 15 Nov 2024 18:45:32 UTC No. 16476596
>>16458352
Work on your reading comprehension Jamal
Anonymous at Fri, 15 Nov 2024 18:48:21 UTC No. 16476599
>>16468130
>capitalism did this
retarded consumers such as yourself chose the inferior product
then you had more children, despite being retarded
Anonymous at Sat, 16 Nov 2024 08:21:37 UTC No. 16477596
>>16459794
It was aliens, they landed there because it was remote and with no witnesses.
Anonymous at Sat, 16 Nov 2024 19:19:36 UTC No. 16478071
>>16467139
It's better than >nothing
Anonymous at Sat, 16 Nov 2024 21:16:25 UTC No. 16478175
>>16452313
>wolf genes that never sweat
Genetically engineer humans to choose when and where to sweat.
>retarded vein layout
How does the tissue of the duck's foot stay alive at close to negative temperatures?
Anonymous at Sat, 16 Nov 2024 22:12:26 UTC No. 16478251
>>16478071
But not enough.
Anonymous at Sat, 16 Nov 2024 22:13:41 UTC No. 16478255
>>16478175
The OP is mistaken in the sense that counter-current heat exchange helps these things not loose their toes because it quite obviously doesn't. In fact it makes that problem worse since it actively makes extremities cooler. It's a neat system that reduces overall heat loss which is of course helpful but doesn't by itself help with freezing limbs or frostbite.
The actual answer why say a duck or a dog can just hand around on the snow while a human get it's toes frozen off is because of specific adaptions to cold. Furs and feathers are highly efficient insulator and bird legs for instance have way less fluids and muscles and come with thick skin so they are naturally resistant to freezing compared to the delicate mammal hands with loads of nerves and muscles in them. There's also chemical differences in cell walls and cell compositions as well and other such adaptations
Though I suppose in the end the heat exchange does help somewhat, namely in the sense that it allows for finer control over how much heat is being sent down to the feet. Many of these cold adapted animals can increase the amount of heat their bodies generate much more efficiently than a warm adapted animal like human and they can also control how much of that end up in the exposed parts better than a human can.
One thing to note is that the way humans freeze (pre technology) is trough overall heat loss e.g. a cold night or something. The best response to that is to shut off our limbs and conserve overall energy in the core. This backfires in the modern day where you may have a jacket or something that would keep you warm for days but your body suicides your fingers when it detects a whiff of cold hitting your nose by shutting your capillaries even though you would have enough hot blood to just keep them warm anyways. For a wolf that evolved to deal with snow that's not the way they freeze so they can afford to have their limbs to take way more cold because that's part of their normal life
Anonymous at Sun, 17 Nov 2024 04:06:44 UTC No. 16478555
>>16470612
Black Americans are 50% more likely to be obese than white Americans.
Anonymous at Sun, 17 Nov 2024 11:31:15 UTC No. 16478819
>>16460387
>It's obvious that white people are adapted to winter because they have been thriving in winter environments naturally for hundreds of thousands of years.
Do you have evidence they did? What clothes and house heating they had? I don't see how they survived -10C in the winter.
>Lowering the melanin was a clear example that helped but of course wasn't sufficient on its own.
White skin is not evidence of adaptation to winter and Alaska, Greenland, Norway, Siberia.
Because even North Africans have white skin. Italians have white skin.
People with white skin are designed to live in Southern Europe, China, Florida, not in Alaska.
In northern countries, even people with white skin have low Vitamin D, that means their bodies are not adapted.
Anonymous at Sun, 17 Nov 2024 12:12:21 UTC No. 16478853
>>16452313
also humans sweat and need to drink water at a ridiculous rate. even compared to other apes it's a different world, and this is because those apes were in jungles and humans were on bare ass plains in extremely high heat
Anonymous at Sun, 17 Nov 2024 12:33:05 UTC No. 16478873
>>16457075
Hudson blankets are the shit. I had a hand-me-down years ago, so thicc
Anonymous at Sun, 17 Nov 2024 12:36:55 UTC No. 16478879
>>16467010
>But why would anybody live in the cold
It's free real estate
Anonymous at Sun, 17 Nov 2024 12:38:55 UTC No. 16478881
>>16468130
>This is what capitalists do
That's what financialisation of an economy does. We need to return to mercantile economies. Also ban usury and bring back hard money based on a rare commodity.
Anonymous at Sun, 17 Nov 2024 12:44:59 UTC No. 16478891
>>16478255
>Though I suppose in the end the heat exchange does help somewhat, namely in the sense that it allows for finer control over how much heat is being sent down to the feet.
That certainly helps a tonne. Human digits just go from cold to colder untill they fall off.
Anonymous at Sun, 17 Nov 2024 16:05:47 UTC No. 16479048
>>16452912
>If human wears a "fur" like jacket he will die in -15C.
no
Anonymous at Tue, 19 Nov 2024 01:34:50 UTC No. 16481557
COLD = DEAD
Anonymous at Tue, 19 Nov 2024 01:45:06 UTC No. 16481568
>>16459794
>two of the bodies had missing eyes, one had a missing tongue, and one had missing eyebrows.
What the fuck was the Yeti's problem?
Anonymous at Tue, 19 Nov 2024 03:25:34 UTC No. 16481665
>>16481568
Scavengers often go for the eyes and tongue first so that part doesn't surprise me
Anonymous at Tue, 19 Nov 2024 09:19:29 UTC No. 16481924
>>16462088
Small animals have small volume but large surface, they lose heat quickly, they cannot just eat 5000 kcal per day to keep up with the heat losses.
Anonymous at Wed, 20 Nov 2024 03:54:36 UTC No. 16485839
Get fat, fat insulates. But there is no fat on the fingers.
Anonymous at Wed, 20 Nov 2024 14:11:25 UTC No. 16486374
>>16451095
I'm white, faggot.
I loathe heat and long for the arctic desert.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xi8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_0B
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qg_
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?li
B00T at Wed, 20 Nov 2024 14:14:17 UTC No. 16486376
>>16486374
Lick my cup white faggot. I'm pink
Anonymous at Wed, 20 Nov 2024 15:30:21 UTC No. 16486459
>>16458756
Dark skin should absorb more solar radiation though, so light skin is a bad adaptation if you are only considering the temperature.
Anonymous at Wed, 20 Nov 2024 15:38:35 UTC No. 16486467
>>16454393
>further developed intelligence and cooperative behavior to allow survival in that environment
why do nazis like to pretend surviving in a place like that is any harder than a hot desert? at least you get big game, wood and water. even a fucking jungle is harder since barely anything there is edible (remote tribesmen eat mainly yams and grub worms) and what is will kill you with its venom or maul you to death
Anonymous at Wed, 20 Nov 2024 18:50:29 UTC No. 16486726
>>16462091
Why humans need dexterity? To put their fingers into female vagina?
Anonymous at Wed, 20 Nov 2024 22:24:26 UTC No. 16487100
>>16486726
climbing, tool manipulation, vagina fingering
Anonymous at Wed, 20 Nov 2024 23:20:36 UTC No. 16487179
>>16451189
White skin did not come about as a way to get more vit C, it came about via sexual selection (some group liked the color and only fucked you if you were pale).
Anonymous at Thu, 21 Nov 2024 10:35:57 UTC No. 16487712
>>16473300
Iranian people are white and it's hot in Iran.
Anonymous at Thu, 21 Nov 2024 11:30:55 UTC No. 16487745
>>16487712
> Iranian people are white
lol
lmao
Anonymous at Thu, 21 Nov 2024 11:40:31 UTC No. 16487749
>>16458297
bruh have you been to ireland
Anonymous at Thu, 21 Nov 2024 13:40:03 UTC No. 16487835
>>16487749
> Ireland
I'm British but the British Isles have to be one of the coldest places for humans to try and stay warm in. Humidity and rain are such killers
Anonymous at Fri, 22 Nov 2024 11:26:27 UTC No. 16489011
Why don't humans have salt in their blood and water and muscles, to prevent it from freezing?
Anonymous at Fri, 22 Nov 2024 12:01:31 UTC No. 16489036
>>16451087
Animals are basically automata. They just thaw out and resume their actions when the cold disappears
Anonymous at Sat, 23 Nov 2024 00:20:03 UTC No. 16489954
Humans are basically automata. they go to the wage cage almost every day.
Anonymous at Sat, 23 Nov 2024 01:30:49 UTC No. 16490042
>>16451396
>I don't listen to veterinarians because they are psychopaths and retards, they don't know shit
Unfathomably based
Anonymous at Sat, 23 Nov 2024 10:08:46 UTC No. 16490301
>>16475458
>Instinct
What is instinct?
Whatever it is, humans also have it, but humans are too retarded after birth to do anything, to even gather their food.
Anonymous at Sun, 24 Nov 2024 03:15:12 UTC No. 16491204
>>16475999
>They probably undressed
Some of them had clothes, but still died. Why?
Anonymous at Sun, 24 Nov 2024 10:31:06 UTC No. 16491470
>>16476599
I don't buy any products.
Anonymous at Sun, 24 Nov 2024 12:07:51 UTC No. 16491515
>>16487749
have you been to ireland? how could you ever call those people part of a 'tropical species' when they burn when it's anything over 18 degrees celsius and turn red like a tomato.
Anonymous at Sun, 24 Nov 2024 23:11:40 UTC No. 16492067
>>16453639
Its just basic Eugenics anon? Cows needa be taking home economics if they wanna survive right?
Anonymous at Sun, 24 Nov 2024 23:14:12 UTC No. 16492069
>>16478879
>>But why would anybody live in the cold
>It's free real estate
And usually less people and therefore less people-associated problems. When I had to live in a questionable neighborhood i loved it when Winter came because almost everyone stayed in inside
Anonymous at Sun, 24 Nov 2024 23:15:45 UTC No. 16492073
>>16486374
>I loathe heat and long for the arctic desert.
Reptilian genetics make it hard for you to dump excess heat? Either way why not live in northern Minnesota or upstate New York or somewhere like that?
Anonymous at Sun, 24 Nov 2024 23:18:47 UTC No. 16492078
>>16486467
>why do nazis like to pretend
When life is nothing but a narcissistic larp everything even the most basic things is cos muh {some physical feature that has nothing to do with given topc}. "So we were in ze cold and Hans had to grow a bigger brain one day so that he could find ze candy bar Gunther under in ze Tundra by ze frozen polar bear cadaver therefore master race." They have no idea how stupid they sound 99% of the time.
Anonymous at Sun, 24 Nov 2024 23:19:49 UTC No. 16492079
>>16492078
>Gunther dropped*
Anonymous at Sun, 24 Nov 2024 23:20:56 UTC No. 16492081
>>16489011
They do. Have you never eaten salty food?
Anonymous at Mon, 25 Nov 2024 01:22:56 UTC No. 16492236
>>16451087
Warm weather makes you small and low IQ.
Cold weather makes you tall and high IQ.
Anonymous at Mon, 25 Nov 2024 02:08:37 UTC No. 16492304
>>16478255
>Furs and feathers are highly efficient insulator
Humans made artificial fur in the form of clothes.
But if a human wears some winter jacket and hat, he can only survive outside if he moves a lot, if he tries to sleep in the winter in his jacket he will be dead by the morning or without hands and feet.
When humans sleep, even in warm house, they have to cover themselves in thick quilt.
Humans without warm dwellings instantly die in the winter.
Anonymous at Mon, 25 Nov 2024 02:27:35 UTC No. 16492327
>>16492304
Actually...
I remember when once during new year (31 december), I was drunk as fuck and I break into some random car that was unlocked. It was a cold winter night, maybe 0C, with snow I think.
I survived to the morning, maybe I even slept for some time, in the morning I exit the car and walked in the city and it was fully empty, nobody there.
But this was different than surviving outside, in the wild because:
-I was inside car and it protected me from wind and rain, snow. Wind steals a lot of heat.
-The air inside car was trapped with car body and windows, car windows lose heat a lot, but I think the temperature inside car was a bit bigger than outside, my body heated it.
-I was not in standing/long position, but I put my thighs/legs to my chest, I was in compact rounded position
-I was on the car seat which is made from materials, it was insulating heat, at least on my back and buttocks, bottoms of feet.
-I had some winter clothing like jacket etc, not great winter clothing but some
So it is interesting that I survived in this car and didn't have body damage, but this doesn't prove much because the car was kind of dwelling, I was not in the open air, also I believe that temperature inside car was above zero so I didn't get frostbite.
If I was outside car and at -5 or -10C it would be different story.
Anonymous at Mon, 25 Nov 2024 02:48:36 UTC No. 16492349
>>16492327
In the body core it wasn't very cold, but hands and feet were very cold, it was suffering.
Hands I could put into jacket pockets or between legs etc.
But with feet I couldn't do anything, you cannot put feet into pockets or hide them under your fur like cats can.
I don't see how human feet could survive in the wild during cold, before super turbo thick modern winter shoes and socks.
So the history books are fraudulent, people did not live in cold regions, not even hundreds years ago, because they would lose the feet on the first cold day.
Maybe northern people made simple winter quilt after murdering northern animal and taking off his fur, and they put the "quilt" from fur over the feet and body? But even then, I don't see how they could survive -20C day.
Anonymous at Mon, 25 Nov 2024 13:11:59 UTC No. 16492762
>>16487835
Britain isn't all that cold you can wear just a jumper for most of winter and be fine.
Anonymous at Mon, 25 Nov 2024 13:45:31 UTC No. 16492780
>>16451087
>>16452912
ITT OP doesn't know that cold-blooded animals can survive freezing and no one pointed this out to him
Anonymous at Mon, 25 Nov 2024 16:31:49 UTC No. 16492957
>>16478555
>Black Americans are 50% more likely to be obese than white Americans.
Niggers in Africa are thin, athletic.
So it sounds like problem with America, not with niggers.
Anonymous at Mon, 25 Nov 2024 16:39:26 UTC No. 16492965
>>16478555
>>16492957
This is how bush niggers look. Are they obese?
Anonymous at Tue, 26 Nov 2024 01:48:37 UTC No. 16493590
>>16478853
>and humans were on bare ass plains in extremely high heat
But there is no water in such places. Arabs are producing fake water by desalting seawater.
Anonymous at Tue, 26 Nov 2024 01:50:57 UTC No. 16493592
>>16492965
hunter gatherers are a special exception
>no health problems related to obesity
>few if any dental problems
>high satisfaction with their lives
but the overwhelming majority of Africans are not hunter gatherers but they still live in poverty without fast food or processed foods like Americans have
Anonymous at Tue, 26 Nov 2024 10:50:30 UTC No. 16493921
>>16478881
So, basically, murder all jews. Noted.
Anonymous at Tue, 26 Nov 2024 11:31:58 UTC No. 16493933
>>16492762
it's not the cold it's the rain and damp they magnify the cold effect on body heat loss.
think of how marine mammals differ to arctic mammals
big puffy and fluffy hair is useless if it's damp
Anonymous at Tue, 26 Nov 2024 11:33:31 UTC No. 16493935
>>16487712
*were
Anonymous at Tue, 26 Nov 2024 11:43:47 UTC No. 16493946
>>16493935
Have we paid Hannah and mike? Good. Hated every second of them. And again if you like.
Anonymous at Wed, 27 Nov 2024 00:41:38 UTC No. 16494722
>>16493933
>the rain and damp they magnify the cold effect on body heat loss.
Yeah and unlike the snow, you can't insulate yourself from the humidity. If the snow could leap up from the ground and settle into your clothes, that's gives you an idea of what it's like in a high humidity cold country like britain.
Anonymous at Wed, 27 Nov 2024 10:07:44 UTC No. 16494995
>>16479048
Yes.
You can only survive in a jacket at -15C, if you will just go walk to a supermarket, so that you are moving constantly and you only spend half hour outside.
But try to survive the whole day and night at -15C with just a stupid jacket. At night, go to sleep outside, lie under some tree, we will see how long you will survive, and your hands and feet.
Anonymous at Thu, 28 Nov 2024 11:54:04 UTC No. 16496106
>>16481665
How do you eat eyes if they are deep in the eye socket? Animals do not have fingers like human, that they could use to take eyes out.
How can they eat tongue if it's hidden inside mouth?
Anonymous at Fri, 29 Nov 2024 04:23:40 UTC No. 16496861
COLD KILLS ANIMALS
Anonymous at Fri, 29 Nov 2024 07:02:51 UTC No. 16496942
>>16481568
the entity collected samples
Anonymous at Fri, 29 Nov 2024 07:54:31 UTC No. 16496991
>>16451095
>If you talk to a bovine veterinarian, for example, they will tell you that cows are most comfortable at about 5°C.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DF-
Anonymous at Fri, 29 Nov 2024 07:55:40 UTC No. 16496993
>>16496106
With a long beak. The tongue and eyes are the first things ravens go for
Anonymous at Sat, 30 Nov 2024 01:24:47 UTC No. 16497764
stop cold
Anonymous at Sat, 30 Nov 2024 01:36:31 UTC No. 16497777
>>16486374
You're a sessile fat ass.
Anonymous at Sat, 30 Nov 2024 12:16:33 UTC No. 16498173
>>16486459
Light skin increases Vitamin D harvesting, but it also increases skin cancer if white people live on equator or Australia.
Anonymous at Sun, 1 Dec 2024 02:54:31 UTC No. 16498828
Evolution is fraud, GOD created animals.
Anonymous at Sun, 1 Dec 2024 03:07:29 UTC No. 16498843
>>16498828
God is an evolution, animals created FRAUD.
Anonymous at Sun, 1 Dec 2024 11:10:07 UTC No. 16499116
>>16486467
desert and jungle might be also hard, but what is unique about polar and cold, is that you need to plan for seasons and the whole year, not just some tactics for next few days
also, you don't need to build advanced dwellings, insulated clothes, oven/fireplace inside dwelling, in the desert and jungle
Anonymous at Sun, 1 Dec 2024 11:23:32 UTC No. 16499127
>>16492349
People simply made shoes/boots to handle the cold. Look at the shoes Otzi the ice man (famous body found frozen in the Alps) was wearing - people have made replicas and tested the shoes out, and reported that they are quite warm and comfortable. And your idea about the "history books being wrong" about people living in the North is simply dumb. Consider all the castles, churches, and other ancient buildings you can find in Northern Europe; if you ever visit them you can tell they are really old from simply looking at them.
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Dec 2024 02:58:35 UTC No. 16499811
Humans die in Antarctica.
Anonymous at Mon, 2 Dec 2024 07:51:11 UTC No. 16500000
>>16452912
>How do they know how to live, gather food, procreate, if they don't have parents and schools to teach them?
instinct, dumbfuck. it's hardcoded, like cats flipping themselves around to land on their feet. it's like asking how animals breathe since their parents didn't teach them.
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Dec 2024 06:40:38 UTC No. 16500985
what about the animals that can fly to warmer lands?
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Dec 2024 09:57:14 UTC No. 16501069
>>16500985
do you mean birds?
Anonymous at Tue, 3 Dec 2024 10:47:12 UTC No. 16501087
>>16501069
no. angels
Anonymous at Wed, 4 Dec 2024 10:37:35 UTC No. 16501959
>>16487179
This is false.
How do you explain that:
-on equator, native people (niggers) have very black skin
-in North Africa or Middle East, people have a bit dark skin but not black
-in northern and polar regions, people have very light skin
This is not possible to be coincidence and that sexual selection made people white in polar but not in Africa.
Anonymous at Wed, 4 Dec 2024 10:59:28 UTC No. 16501969
>>16452205
I avoided taking his class and signed up for Dynamics instead of Thermodynamics, which was his specialty. He did substitute teach our class once, trying to convince us that all of dynamics was a special case of thermodynamics but it obvious he just wanted an angle to teach the class in his preferred specialty.
The cow thing was a rumor, no idea if it was true or not. I was an ag and engineering type of school so I wouldn't be all that surprised if he did have something like that going on. If so, I'd wager that it was meant for places like northern communities in Scandinavia where feed would be provided for the cows during the long winter rather than them grazing. Of course the whole thing might have been made up. He was the textbook definition of a kooky engineering professor so it would have been easy to start up a crazy rumor about him and have everyone believe it.
Anonymous at Wed, 4 Dec 2024 11:04:28 UTC No. 16501972
>>16461247
Because it's a crazy campus story? If it is a true story, maybe he was just nuts. Or he was trying to make something hardier and more cold adapted than what already exists.
Anonymous at Wed, 4 Dec 2024 12:45:27 UTC No. 16502011
>>16451155
A refrigerated barn is pretty doable, it'd make sense if you were already fairly far north instead of florida but as long as you had the right ventilation and coolers it'd be doable.
I doubt it would make sense as a way to breed a new arctic tolerant type but it would make sense as a research tool to test how they respond to such conditions
Anonymous at Wed, 4 Dec 2024 13:20:31 UTC No. 16502017
>>16502011
East Alabama where it gets hot in the summer... and the spring... and autumn... and sometimes in winter. But he's crazy enough to think it's a good idea and who knows, maybe he has some thermodynamics secret he's using to keep things chill.
https://www.ratemyprofessors.com/pr
🗑️ Anonymous at Wed, 4 Dec 2024 22:55:40 UTC No. 16502857
>>16453318
That sucks. I'm fat and could really do with using it for heat on this cold day.
Anonymous at Wed, 4 Dec 2024 23:49:23 UTC No. 16502937
>>16502857
do exercises?
Anonymous at Thu, 5 Dec 2024 11:44:43 UTC No. 16503459
>>16489036
No, humans are automata and should be murdered for food.
I don't see difference between animals and humans.
Anonymous at Thu, 5 Dec 2024 12:01:12 UTC No. 16503470
>>16496106
It's really not that deep in the socket, and for a juicy eyeball any amount of digging with paws / tongue is easily worth it.
It's like how a cat would get a piece of tuna / treat stuck in the corner. They're not leaving until they have it.
Anonymous at Fri, 6 Dec 2024 11:06:02 UTC No. 16504698
>>16492236
You think that russians or native polar people that live in igloos are high IQ?
Anonymous at Sat, 7 Dec 2024 12:23:55 UTC No. 16505711
>>16492762
You can only if you walk to a shop and go back to your home. If you were to sleep outside at night, you would die.
Anonymous at Sat, 7 Dec 2024 13:26:34 UTC No. 16505737
>>16451116
If you are physically active and in good health its ideal to be in very cold weather with thick clothes. This allows your blood vessels to dilate well so your muscles are working optimally, while your head is cooled off to keep your brain from overheating without having to lose tons of salt and water for sweat, which can be hard to make up for especially when the only foods in our culture with lots of salt are seed oil slop
Anonymous at Sun, 8 Dec 2024 00:40:38 UTC No. 16506304
>>16492069
Yeah, it's great. It's also why places like Brazil are such shitholes. Easy to be outside all day and night being nuisances.
Anonymous at Sun, 8 Dec 2024 00:41:43 UTC No. 16506306
>>16493921
Pretty much. Although murder implies a crime.
Anonymous at Mon, 9 Dec 2024 04:20:16 UTC No. 16507351
>>16492780
Then why are all polar animals (polar bears, penguins) warm-blooded? They just have a lot of fat and fur.
Cold-blooded animals? Lizards? There are no lizards in polar regions.
Anonymous at Mon, 9 Dec 2024 04:50:10 UTC No. 16507366
🗑️ Anonymous at Mon, 9 Dec 2024 12:19:17 UTC No. 16507574
>>16456010
>Niggers require a highly interconnected economy and high technology to keep advanced indoor heating systems functioning
Uh... who doesn't?
Anonymous at Tue, 10 Dec 2024 00:05:39 UTC No. 16508242
>>16451155
this seems kinda stupid, were scottish highlander cows not a thing when this was taking place?
Anonymous at Tue, 10 Dec 2024 02:28:00 UTC No. 16508348
>>16451189
White skin isn't a winter trait it is a low sun trait to increase the ability to gain vitamin D from sunlight. An actual """winter trait""" is what the Inuits have e.g. increase deposits of brown fat which directly help against winter.
For animals outside of humans some have literally gain the ability to generate and circulate natural anti-freeze throughout their body.
Anons like you and other posters in this thread need to fucking retake biology again.
Anonymous at Tue, 10 Dec 2024 18:49:05 UTC No. 16508974
>>16494722
High humidity in air will not do much to clothes, you will still be warm.
Rain can make clothes soaked in water and cold, but you can insulate from rain by using umbrella or a dense tree.
There are also anti rain clothes.
Anonymous at Wed, 11 Dec 2024 20:19:57 UTC No. 16510027
>>16508974
You can't insulate from the rain you've conflated two separate properties
Anonymous at Wed, 11 Dec 2024 20:33:22 UTC No. 16510038
>>16508974
As somwhat a native outside worker who deals regularly with the inclement british weather the problem stems more from the combination of factors
perpetual damp
perpetual chill
perpetual wind
the combination is quite miserable especially when it persists for weeks and pretty much every piece of clothes and workwear you own just just stays damp
the period of dry winter cold around january is bliss by comparison to the wet stretches of autumn winter and spring around it.
Dealing with these conditions without modern heating, housing and weatherprotective gear is of a bit grim prospect.
It's better if you're doing something very active since you can generate enough body heat to warm up but the rain just gets everywhere, saturates your trousers fills your boots, numbs your hands gets down your neck.
Anonymous at Thu, 12 Dec 2024 12:25:59 UTC No. 16510582
>>16499127
> Look at the shoes Otzi the ice man (famous body found frozen in the Alps) was wearing
no way this shit from photo is giving any warmth, it's full of holes, it's not even made of wool
>And your idea about the "history books being wrong" about people living in the North is simply dumb. Consider all the castles, churches, and other ancient buildings you can find in Northern Europe
Castles are from medieval, medieval was not long time ago and there was already technology for clothes, ovens etc. What was before medieval? Any evidence people lived in the north?
Also, there are no medieval castles in northern norway, Siberia, Alaska. Coincidence?
Anonymous at Thu, 12 Dec 2024 14:58:47 UTC No. 16510658
>>16510582
Plenty of structures in northern Europe from before the medieval period - Stonehenge would be an obvious example, and there are bunch of similar, albeit smaller and less maintained megaliths dotting Europe, the Romans wouldn't have built Hadrian's wall unless there were enough people living North of it to cause problems, and so on. Northern Norway and Siberia didn't have the population density to build full on castles, but there are plenty of remains old villages and forts - link below is about the remains of a Siberian fort that are from 8,000 years ago.
https://www.livescience.com/archaeo
Anonymous at Thu, 12 Dec 2024 15:21:43 UTC No. 16510672
>>16510658
I don't know about the mainland but the orkneys are pretty remote islands in the north atlantic and there are several ancient archaeplogical sites there such a huge cattle sacrifice altar that had been there a long time.
I don't remember the exact age of the megalithic sites but they were a good couple of thousand years old
one article suggests 4500-5000 years ago
Anonymous at Fri, 13 Dec 2024 17:31:38 UTC No. 16511748
Why doesn't face, skin, eyes get frozen to death when you have uncovered face in the winter, but other areas and fingers do freeze to death?
Anonymous at Fri, 13 Dec 2024 19:16:06 UTC No. 16511819
>>16511748
blood supply prioritisation
Anonymous at Sat, 14 Dec 2024 09:12:39 UTC No. 16512494
>>16451087
they just die of dehydration - all the water is frozen
Anonymous at Sat, 14 Dec 2024 09:15:05 UTC No. 16512496
>>16511748
you can get nose and ears frozen to death easily
Anonymous at Sat, 14 Dec 2024 18:27:49 UTC No. 16512885
When animals that hibernate get cold, they start to switch to an ANAEROBIC system using lactose as their cellular metabolism. They switch out regular glucose for trehalose.
Aerobic and anaerobic metabolism in oxygen minimum layer fishes: the role of alcohol dehydrogenase
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/225
Despite the very low oxygen, mesopelagic fishes (primarily lanternfishes: Mytophidae) inhabiting the Arabian Sea and California borderland perform a daily vertical migration into the low-oxygen layer, spending daylight hours in the oxygen minimum zone and migrating upward into normoxic waters at night. To find out how fishes were able to survive their daily sojourns into the minimum zone, we tested the activity of four enzymes, one (lactate dehydrogenase, LDH) that served as a proxy for anaerobic glycolysis with a conventional lactate endpoint, a second (citrate synthase, CS) that is indicative of aerobic metabolism, a third (malate dehydrogenase) that functions in the Krebs' cycle and as a bridge linking mitochondrion and cytosol, and a fourth (alcohol dehydrogenase, ADH) that catalyzes the final reaction in a pathway where pyruvate is reduced to ethanol. Ethanol is a metabolic product easily excreted by fish, preventing lactate accumulation.
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Of course, this system isn't free energy. Lactose has way less energy value and they don't have unlimited calcium to convert into lactose. For hibernating bears, they eat lots of calcium rich food (bones) which increases bear bone thickness because they need that calcium to create lactose as chemical energy.
Ideally, you'd genetically cross a bear, goat, beaver, and fish. Bear builds thick bones for calcium. Goat can convert most grass cellulose into calcium and lactose. Beaver can convert wood cellulose into calcium and lactose. And fish can use lactose to convert into booze (ethanol).
This hybrid creature would create more milk than a cow & piss whiskey, so long as you give it grass or wood and sunshine.
Anonymous at Sat, 14 Dec 2024 18:35:17 UTC No. 16512891
https://www.sciencedirect.com/scien
The mechanisms by which trehalose protects biologic molecules can be divided into three categories, namely water replacement, glass transformation and chemical stability (Colaço and Roser, 1995). These three mechanisms are not mutually exclusive and all may contribute to the stabilizing effects of trehalose. The water replacement theory proposes that all biologic macromolecules are normally stabilized by water that forms hydrogen bonds around these molecules. Trehalose appears to have greater flexibility in the glycosidic bond between the two d-glucose molecules as compared to other disaccharides. This property may allow trehalose to conform with the irregular polar groups of macromolecules (Colaço and Roser, 1995).
The glass transformation theory suggests that sugars in solution can transform into or maintain a glass state instead of crystallizing. Trehalose is unique in that it forms a non-hygroscopic glass that is stable at high temperatures and also when the glass is essentially completely desiccated (Crowe and Crowe, 2000). This property allows trehalose glasses to remain intact over a wider range of extremes than other sugars. This glassy state may hold biomolecules in a form that allows them to return to their native structure and therefore function following rehydration (Franks, 1990, Colaco & Roser, 1995, Crowe & Crowe, 2000). Although a range of temperatures have been reported, the glass transition temperature of trehalose is higher than other common sugars (Green & Angell, 1989, Roos, 1993, Saleki-Gerhardt & Zografi, 1994).
Anonymous at Sun, 15 Dec 2024 12:49:54 UTC No. 16513719
>>16500000
Then why are humans so useless?
A human child would starve to death in a week and be eaten by birds and foxes. A human child is too dumb to even drink water from river.
I don't know more stupid animal than a human.
Anonymous at Sun, 15 Dec 2024 19:10:36 UTC No. 16513941
>>16513719
Plenty of animals have offspring that are extremely helpless when born and need extensive parental care to survive, that is hardly unique to humans. Human children just have longer growing & developing period before they can survive without adult assistance than most creatures.
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Dec 2024 04:04:33 UTC No. 16514349
>>16501969
>Of course the whole thing might have been made up. He was the textbook definition of a kooky engineering professor so it would have been easy to start up a crazy rumor about him and have everyone believe it.
Did he say that children can consent?
Anonymous at Mon, 16 Dec 2024 05:00:26 UTC No. 16514368
>>16491515
the pina coladas make it worth it for them
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Dec 2024 02:23:21 UTC No. 16515389
>>16503470
Why they only ate eyes and tongue and nothing else? There was no other parts of the body missing.
Anonymous at Tue, 17 Dec 2024 22:33:38 UTC No. 16516293
>>16506306
That's good, I love crime.
Anonymous at Wed, 18 Dec 2024 15:14:59 UTC No. 16517081
>>16507366
This is cold but not polar. Polar bears and penguins live on Antarctica and Arctica. But not lizards.
Anonymous at Wed, 18 Dec 2024 15:25:14 UTC No. 16517085
>>16451087
insects hibernate, most 4 season animals change their coat depending on the changing weather, birds either stay put or fly for the winter, a lot of insects plan for the winter by staying underground and building up food storage, fish tend to be migratory spawning in rivers but living in oceans. winter months animal life usually slows down and fat reserves are depleted. there are some exceptions with animals that like to dig or forage (rabbits, ungulates) and the animals that like to eat them, foxes, badgers, wolves etc.
where the ground freezes the story is a little different. if you have permafrost it makes like more difficult and unpredictable and only large predators like bears and pack animals can survive them long term. has to do with no trees growing which means no deadfall which means less insects and insect eaters, no pollinators etc.
here is a picture.
Anonymous at Wed, 18 Dec 2024 17:14:41 UTC No. 16517167
>>16515389
Possibly because searchers found the bodies before more difficult to eat parts of the bodies were consumed. The eyes and tongues would be easier to tear out, especially for a small animal in freezing conditions. Not saying that's definitively what happened, just that it's a possibility that is sensible. Or maybe it was a Soviet sonic death ray that made their eyes and tongues explode and vaporize.
Anonymous at Wed, 18 Dec 2024 18:17:28 UTC No. 16517247
>>16514349
Not something I thought to ask him the one time he subbed for the class I was in. Why do you want to know?
Anonymous at Thu, 19 Dec 2024 02:46:33 UTC No. 16517631
COLD = guaranteed death
Anonymous at Thu, 19 Dec 2024 03:07:38 UTC No. 16517641
>>16517631
COLD = BULLET
🗑️ Anonymous at Fri, 20 Dec 2024 00:02:08 UTC No. 16518498
Niggers die in cold.
Anonymous at Fri, 20 Dec 2024 19:45:05 UTC No. 16519359
>>16508348
All fats help. Fat insulates, you lose less heat from the body.
Anonymous at Fri, 20 Dec 2024 20:12:30 UTC No. 16519375
>>16475999
kekd and checked
Anonymous at Sat, 21 Dec 2024 19:29:59 UTC No. 16520203
>>16510027
You can, you wear umbrella or anti-rain clothes and you don't get wet.
Anonymous at Sat, 21 Dec 2024 19:52:17 UTC No. 16520218
>>16510038
Continentals don't know our pain
Anonymous at Sat, 21 Dec 2024 20:08:45 UTC No. 16520228
>>16465906
Someone should have told that to the prehistoric humans living in arctic locations, then.
Anonymous at Sat, 21 Dec 2024 21:24:56 UTC No. 16520270
>>16461247
>Then why port cows to the Arctics if we already have arctic cows like the ones you listed?
Compare the dairy yield of a muskox with a holstein cow and you might realize why.
Anonymous at Sat, 21 Dec 2024 22:41:41 UTC No. 16520333
>>16516293
It's not a crime to kill criminals
Anonymous at Sun, 22 Dec 2024 16:18:01 UTC No. 16520902
>>16510038
Why don't british people support global warming so they will get better weather and warmer place? Why do you lower CO2 emissions?
Anonymous at Sun, 22 Dec 2024 18:12:30 UTC No. 16521015
>>16520902
because they are on an island and will be flooded first
Anonymous at Sun, 22 Dec 2024 20:31:31 UTC No. 16521130
>>16451087
Fish and amphibians manufacture a glycol-like solution that stops ice crystals from forming when the temperature starts to drop. They literally have antifreeze in their blood.
Fur and feathers trap air which acts as insulation.
Anonymous at Mon, 23 Dec 2024 15:19:20 UTC No. 16521796
Cold
Anonymous at Wed, 25 Dec 2024 02:02:22 UTC No. 16523240
>>16510658
>Plenty of structures in northern Europe from before the medieval period - Stonehenge would be an obvious example
This is not evidence of anything. Maybe people went to the north during summer, they built Stonehenge but they run away from there before winter or they died.
>Northern Norway and Siberia didn't have the population density to build full on castles, but there are plenty of remains old villages and forts
How did they live without modern heating systems, housing insulation, clothes? This is a fraud.
>link below is about the remains of a Siberian fort that are from 8,000 years ago.
The fort was used during summer only, or the climate was different 8,000 years ago.
Anonymous at Fri, 27 Dec 2024 05:27:49 UTC No. 16524888
Cold are dead
Anonymous at Fri, 27 Dec 2024 14:39:19 UTC No. 16525214
>>16524888
hungry are dead
Anonymous at Fri, 27 Dec 2024 16:33:22 UTC No. 16525274
>>16451095
I keep bougie chiggens in Texas and am far more concerned about the summer heat than then winter cold. In the heat they'll just keel over, in the cold they're out pecking and scratching before dawn in subfreezing temps. Fucking deer, too, though they can freeze/cook for all I care.
Anonymous at Sun, 29 Dec 2024 03:33:50 UTC No. 16527168
There are no communities in the cold regions in the medieval or older times.
Anonymous at Sun, 29 Dec 2024 03:43:06 UTC No. 16527174
>>16527168
What about the Inuit?
Anonymous at Sun, 29 Dec 2024 04:25:44 UTC No. 16527241
>>16486374
teenagers all like "VGH... the call of hyperborea" til they deal with 4 inches of snow in the appalachian mountains