🧵 Animals die in winter
Anonymous at Sat, 26 Oct 2024 18:59:47 UTC No. 16451087
What happens with the animals when it's freezing cold -25C during winter?
What happens with flies, deer, mice, birds, fish, ants, wolves, spiders, etc.
Even if they live in warmer places like Texas and Florida, there are rare days when even such places have very cold weather that a human will die in few hours if he isn't inside house.
Anonymous at Sat, 26 Oct 2024 19:08:45 UTC No. 16451095
>>16451087
Humans are a tropical species. We assume that every other animals prefers the same temperatures we do.
If you talk to a bovine veterinarian, for example, they will tell you that cows are most comfortable at about 5°C.
Anonymous at Sat, 26 Oct 2024 19:37:27 UTC No. 16451116
>>16451095
Pretty much. The weather somewhere like Hawaii is near perfect for humans. There are very rarely any days where you would freeze to death.
Anonymous at Sat, 26 Oct 2024 19:37:43 UTC No. 16451118
>>16451087
just burrow in, -25c is fine for a man. not comrtable but not lethal
Anonymous at Sat, 26 Oct 2024 19:44:11 UTC No. 16451122
>>16451087
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zkd
Anonymous at Sat, 26 Oct 2024 20:15:59 UTC No. 16451155
A thermodynamics professor at my university was rumored to have a refrigerated barn in which he kept cows in sub freezing temperatures and with only four hours of light per day because he was trying to breed a new species of cow that could live in arctic conditions.
Anonymous at Sat, 26 Oct 2024 20:24:21 UTC No. 16451159
>>16451087
They all die. Spontaneous macro generation is real.
Anonymous at Sat, 26 Oct 2024 20:45:35 UTC No. 16451189
>>16451095
If you are brown or black. White skin is adapted to low winter sun. Also, intelligence boost to seek heat sources.
Anonymous at Sat, 26 Oct 2024 20:48:44 UTC No. 16451199
>>16451189
Only because we wore clothing. Skin tone isn't at all the only thing that determines survival in a cold environment. Try going outside on a winter day with no clothes and see how long you last.
Anonymous at Sat, 26 Oct 2024 20:50:27 UTC No. 16451203
>flies,
Egg is in frozen shit. Wakes up on spring
>deer,
Has fur, seeks food
>mice,
Has fur, seeks shelter and food
>birds,
Flies to south
>fish,
Even a lake is frozen, there is +4C area near bottom that is not frozen. Their vitals will slow down accordingly
>ants,
Lives inside nests
>wolves,
Has shelter, fur, seeks food
>spiders
Idk lives in some cave
Anonymous at Sat, 26 Oct 2024 20:51:37 UTC No. 16451205
>>16451199
Making clothing is a part of evolution, sweaty
Anonymous at Sat, 26 Oct 2024 21:03:23 UTC No. 16451225
>>16451199
Laughs in Wim Hof.
Anonymous at Sat, 26 Oct 2024 23:51:22 UTC No. 16451396
>>16451095
>Humans are a tropical species. We assume that every other animals prefers the same temperatures we do.
The animals that I listed don't seem to be built for arctics. They don't have fat tissue like Penguins and Polar bears.
>If you talk to a bovine veterinarian, for example, they will tell you that cows are most comfortable at about 5°C.
I don't listen to veterinarians because they are psychopaths and retards, they don't know shit. How can they know that cows like 5C?
Anonymous at Sun, 27 Oct 2024 00:59:51 UTC No. 16451463
>>16451116
>There are very rarely any days where you would freeze to death.
But rarely, they happen. Cold air moves from north and it's -10C. What happens to humans there that live on trees and don't have clothes?
Anonymous at Sun, 27 Oct 2024 01:07:40 UTC No. 16451468
>>16451225
>hyperventilates
>dives under the ice
>shallow-water blackout
>dies
heh, nothing personnel
Anonymous at Sun, 27 Oct 2024 03:48:37 UTC No. 16451661
>>16451396
They tried to put a cow coat on them and they ran away instead.
Anonymous at Sun, 27 Oct 2024 10:52:11 UTC No. 16451965
>>16451118
Why didn't they just burrow in?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dyatl
Anonymous at Sun, 27 Oct 2024 14:23:01 UTC No. 16452205
>>16451155
Cows are fat and big, while humans have thin limbs and body. Humans have larger surface compared to mass, than a cow. Small animals also have very large surface but tiny mass and heat generation.
>cow that could live in arctic conditions.
And what are cows going to eat in arctics? Snow?
EBOK at Sun, 27 Oct 2024 14:27:29 UTC No. 16452213
>>16451661
YOULL BE PUNISHED FOR HOW YOU TREATED THIS COW. EACH AND EVERY ANIMAL IS OWED YOUR HELL. YOU WILL PAY FOR EACH CRIME.
Mouf
Anonymous at Sun, 27 Oct 2024 15:49:36 UTC No. 16452313
Most cold adapted animals don't sweat for one thing. It's a bitch in winter. Sweating makes feet damp, which then cools dramatically and you get ice blocks for feet. If only we had wolf genes that never sweat on the body but very miniscule amount on the feet for running grip, that would make life so much easier to stay warm in winter. Also most true cold adapted animals have a counter current heat exchange vein and artery layout to their limbs whereas human have the very lossy inefficient con current heat exchange system. That's the reason 40kg huskys can sleep on the snow and stay healthy whereas big 90kg+ men can lose their fingers from a short period of time in the cold. Animals as big as humans should not be losing our fingers in the cold but we do because of our retarded vein layout. It's hypothesised that neanderthals had counter current veins. That would be nice.
Anonymous at Sun, 27 Oct 2024 15:50:39 UTC No. 16452314
>>16452313
https://www.snexplores.org/article/
https://iditarod.com/edu/a-super-ci
https://phys.org/news/2012-01-dogs-
https://wolfies.place/do-dogs-get-f
https://www.scirp.org/journal/paper
Lot a birds have it too a counter current vein layout,it's the optimal layout for blood carrying vessels. Maybe one day we'll engineer it into us
Anonymous at Sun, 27 Oct 2024 15:51:46 UTC No. 16452315
>>16452314
Also, counter current would average slightly warmer hands. Initially in a cold environment a dogs paws might be cooler than a humans but as we lose heat rapidly our core would shut off most blood going to the hands whereas the dog would still have a marginal amount flowing at all times. So over the long term a dogs paws with counter current would actually average higher temps then a humans who would start off warmer but then get progressively colder over the proceeding 10s of minutes untill it gets so cold the hand temp goes below freezing and ice form s inside the cells( frostbite) all the while dog is literally chilling in the corner unbothered. I tested this last year actually with a lazer thermometer. I was indoors in winter with the fire burning, my hands read 33c. My dog was outside sitting down staring at the birds during dusk, must have been 2c outside. Dogs paws read about 6c. I stayed out there smoking about 3 American spirit cigarettes, which if you know em, a typcial cig is a 3 minute affair but spirits are closer to 10 minutes. After half an hour with light layer on of shirt and denim jacket I read my hands: 4c. Just 2 above the ambient temperature, meanwhile the dog? 6c again, the exact same. So you can see if I stayed out there all night eventually as temps dipped even lower I'd risk losing my fingers. Anyway, inside the pair of us went to rewarm ourselves and I watched the green knight, an Arthurian legend film by david lowery,( very strange but lots of menaing to it's content so it was a confusing but deep experience). In conclusion, counter current beats con current everytime unless you live in an oven and like to go on long jogs ie the Saharan plains.
Anonymous at Sun, 27 Oct 2024 17:02:27 UTC No. 16452408
>>16452205
Polar bears. Not sure if cows would need to avoid the livers or not as their vitamin A needs might be very different than it is for humans.
Anonymous at Sun, 27 Oct 2024 17:57:02 UTC No. 16452500
>>16451199
what's your point? we wear clothes, don't we? how long will a hermit crab survive if it doesn't wear clothes?
Anonymous at Sun, 27 Oct 2024 19:01:45 UTC No. 16452572
>>16451965
They did
If they'd had enough food they all would have easily survived, barring illness or injury
Anonymous at Sun, 27 Oct 2024 20:17:56 UTC No. 16452697
>>16451189
White skin gives nothing, just more Vitamin D if you live outside equator, such as north or south africa.
White skin will not protect you from freezing. Humans that live outside africa would die without technology.
Anonymous at Sun, 27 Oct 2024 22:53:23 UTC No. 16452912
>>16451203
>flies
>Egg is in frozen shit. Wakes up on spring
So they die in winter and grow from eggs in spring? How do they know how to live, gather food, procreate, if they don't have parents and schools to teach them?
>deer,
>Has fur,
Not enough to survive cold. If human wears a "fur" like jacket he will die in -15C.
>seeks food
What?
>mice,
>Has fur,
It's thin fur and mice generates little heat.
>seeks shelter and food
In buildings and sewers? What do they eat?
What was before humans and cities? Mice didn't survive winter in Europe?
>birds,
>Flies to south
What about chickens?
>fish,
>Even a lake is frozen, there is +4C area near bottom that is not frozen. Their vitals will slow down accordingly
How they survive +4C and what they eat? Most fish have little fat to insulate them.
>ants,
>Lives inside nests
Nests also get -15C unless they are half meter underground.
>wolves,
>Has shelter
Where, what?
>fur
Too thin.
>seeks food
How does food give him protection from -20C?
>spiders
>Idk lives in some cave
There are no caves. Caves are rare.
Anonymous at Mon, 28 Oct 2024 07:47:50 UTC No. 16453318
>>16451087
Did you know your body can produce a lot of heat? it just doesn't want to.
Anonymous at Mon, 28 Oct 2024 08:01:49 UTC No. 16453325
>>16452500
>what's your point?
The point is white people are not really adapted to winter, skin tone is a really simple thing to select for, evolutionarily speaking, its much harder to make a human be able to naturally live in sub-freezing weather. Only adaptation in that regards would be making people much bigger and fatter, like a bear. Some nordics are a bit like that but not even close to what is needed
Anonymous at Mon, 28 Oct 2024 09:56:24 UTC No. 16453389
>>16451199
>duhhh you only survived because of your instinct to make tools and clothing
no shit genius, that's what being a human being is
Anonymous at Mon, 28 Oct 2024 10:07:16 UTC No. 16453393
Animals are decked out in fur over basically every inch of their bodies and their heating systems are drastically different from ours. Yesterday I got into an argument with my dumbass bitch of a neighbour and she said im cruel because I keep my dog outside, even when its freezing. Well guess what, my dog has a double-layered coat, he doesn't sweat or regulate his heat like humans do AND on top of all that he undergoes body fat recomposition every autumn meaning he will suddenly start eating much more than usual, and I oblige him. His fur grows thicker and he gets an added layer of fat. Which is why I see him curled up comfily in snowpiles when its -15C outside and there is actually nothing detrimental to the animal's health about it, they have survived worse for millions of years now when there weren't even human.
Then when spring comes my dog will stop eating so much, drops his winter coat and slims down for summer, every year, like clockwork. Whoever said humans are literally african species was spot on, its us outside the norm, not animals.
Anonymous at Mon, 28 Oct 2024 11:15:38 UTC No. 16453424
>>16451205
What’s the best technology we have come up with? Wool?
Anonymous at Mon, 28 Oct 2024 15:51:45 UTC No. 16453639
>>16451205
Animals do not make clothes, so do they die in winter?
Anonymous at Mon, 28 Oct 2024 18:12:35 UTC No. 16453833
>>16452205
The Arctic has vegetation, and there are already large ruminants, moose, caribou, and muskoxen, that live there.
Anonymous at Mon, 28 Oct 2024 20:42:14 UTC No. 16453972
>>16451087
Depending on the animal, some combination of:
shelter (external insulation)
thermal mass of water/soil/wood/snow/ice
massing together
fur
thick skin
large size
shape minimizing surface area
insulating fat layer
counter-current heat exchange and/or rete mirabilia for extremities
minimal blood flow to extremities
supercooling
cryoprotectants
dehydration
feathers
high metabolism
food/fat reserves
migration
Every example you gave uses at least a couple of these strategies.
Anonymous at Mon, 28 Oct 2024 20:59:32 UTC No. 16453995
>>16451087
I survive by turning the heater to the max
Anonymous at Mon, 28 Oct 2024 22:54:03 UTC No. 16454122
>>16451661
That means shit. The cows might been scared of the coat or didn't like the touch. The experiment proves nothing.
Anonymous at Tue, 29 Oct 2024 00:29:47 UTC No. 16454229
>>16452912
>Nests also get -15C unless they are half meter underground.
No they don't
Anonymous at Tue, 29 Oct 2024 03:20:12 UTC No. 16454393
>>16453325
they are adapted to winter though, hence the white skin and further developed intelligence and cooperative behavior to allow survival in that environment
Anonymous at Tue, 29 Oct 2024 03:55:16 UTC No. 16454415
>>16451087
On a cold night a predator doesn't sleep, it prowls and finds sufficient body heat to keep itself warm through the night and rests in the heat of the daytime
Anonymous at Tue, 29 Oct 2024 06:12:29 UTC No. 16454506
>>16454393
>hence the white skin
This isnt enough adaptation
>>16454393
>urther developed intelligence and cooperative behavior to allow survival in that environment
This isnt a biological adaptation.
Anonymous at Tue, 29 Oct 2024 06:12:41 UTC No. 16454507
>>16452205
>And what are cows going to eat in arctics? Snow?
reindeer do fine, in situations where they can't dig to under-snow grasses they eat lichens off rocks.
Cows are naturally migratory like reindeer as well.
Though really we should just farm reindeer.
Anonymous at Tue, 29 Oct 2024 08:42:47 UTC No. 16454582
>>16454506
>This isnt a biological adaptation.
yes it is
Anonymous at Tue, 29 Oct 2024 08:44:41 UTC No. 16454584
>>16454582
No it isnt
Anonymous at Tue, 29 Oct 2024 14:35:10 UTC No. 16454784
>>16452313
Why the paws of Husky don't freeze and die if they don't get warm blood?
Anonymous at Tue, 29 Oct 2024 17:33:27 UTC No. 16454961
>>16454784
It's above freezing but below core temperature
EBOK at Tue, 29 Oct 2024 17:36:15 UTC No. 16454967
>>16454961
Just like your mom's anus
EBOK at Tue, 29 Oct 2024 17:40:39 UTC No. 16454971
>>16454967
Things are normal below average temperatures down there
Anonymous at Tue, 29 Oct 2024 22:17:59 UTC No. 16455337
>>16452315
I don't understand.
Even if human system puts too warm blood into the hands and loses a lot of energy, when the hand gets cold (5c) it loses less energy so it should be the same as dog has a paw with 5C even if he has counter current.
Anonymous at Wed, 30 Oct 2024 09:16:22 UTC No. 16455703
>>16452408
Cows cannot eat meat.
Anonymous at Wed, 30 Oct 2024 17:03:09 UTC No. 16455998
>>16455337
Human hands have a lot more exposed skin than dog paws so they lose a lot more heat at the same temperature
Anonymous at Wed, 30 Oct 2024 17:14:03 UTC No. 16456010
>>16452697
US military acknowledged niggers are significantly more prone to frostbite
>Humans that live outside africa would die without technology
Whites can survive here with pre-historic technology
Niggers require a highly interconnected economy and high technology to keep advanced indoor heating systems functioning
Anonymous at Wed, 30 Oct 2024 17:15:59 UTC No. 16456014
>>16453325
>its much harder to make a human be able to naturally live in sub-freezing weather
Melanin genes are inversely correlated with intelligence. This has been demonstrated both in humans and rodents.
Anonymous at Wed, 30 Oct 2024 18:35:18 UTC No. 16456098
>>16452697
It's more than skin deep. Subcutaneous fat layout among other optimizations.
I routinely go to work during 45F mornings in just the same thing anti-sun longnsleeve shirt as I wear when it's 90.
>dude aren't you cold
No, not really my mexiland friend. And as soon as the sun's up I'm not cold at all.
Anonymous at Wed, 30 Oct 2024 18:36:19 UTC No. 16456101
>>16456098
>just the same thin*
My bad.
Anonymous at Thu, 31 Oct 2024 01:58:26 UTC No. 16456530
>>16455337
But the human core temp continues to fall if you don't have heavy clothing on, and the arteries and capillaries won't relax and bring warm blood to the hand unless the core is warm, but our core wont stay warm without heavy clothes because we have a lossy artery configuration.
As such the human hand gets colder and colder until it's below freezing at which point cold injuries occur, whereas the dogs who have nothing but their fur pelt which offers only moderate cold protection, their internal temp remains stable because their efficient counter current layout, and so while it's paws might be cool, 5c, it'll stay at 5c even in frigid temperatures such as minus 25c. The dog and wolf can be in contact with snow and not lose their paws because just enough warm blood( warm blood that persists inside the core because of the efficient artery layout) is permitted to the paws. Humans just get colder and colder and try to shiver to generate some heat but that's a temporary solution afterwhich your hands feet nose freeze then you die of hypothermia.
humans have evolved to live in the great rift valley in Africa, one of the hottest places on earth. We are incredibly heat resistant but suck at cold.
Anonymous at Thu, 31 Oct 2024 02:03:57 UTC No. 16456535
>>16456010
https://youtu.be/v2uiW6acEAw&t=2m43
Anonymous at Thu, 31 Oct 2024 02:14:47 UTC No. 16456545
>>16453424
Wolf fur, bear fur, buffalo fur Is much much warmer than wool, but if you layer up heavyweight wool cloth ie, wool shirt, sweater jacket and overcoat, then that is also excellently warm, trouble is heavyweight 30oz + cloth is really only found in vintage early 20th century clothing, wool today is dogshit thin and expensive aswell.
Anonymous at Thu, 31 Oct 2024 02:54:46 UTC No. 16456584
Well, you see...not all animals are humans.
Some animals evolve to have this hairy stuff called "fur". It helps to keep them warm during the winter. Some animals will even huddle together with their own kind to help stay warm.
Fish adapt to the temperate around them.
Some insects are freeze resistant and some insects just die off during winter and the next batch hatches again when things warm up.
Birds migrate.
Anonymous at Thu, 31 Oct 2024 12:14:37 UTC No. 16456849
>>16456098
Running about being active in a t shirt is a world of difference from standing still stationary. Wim hoff climbed some of mount everest in shorts and a t shirt, but he slept in winter clothing inside a winter sleeping bag inside a tent. You aren't a nordic ice warrior, your a well fed, well rested man running around doing errands, after which your back indoors to central heating and comfort.
https://youtu.be/-oOlAGKBXnA
Anonymous at Thu, 31 Oct 2024 13:46:25 UTC No. 16456917
>>16456545
>buffalo fur Is much much warmer
Damn 5 grand? Think I'll skip lol. Looks pretty fuckin G though, I'd imagine you'd never have to pay for heating again
https://www.merlinshideout.com/shop
Anonymous at Thu, 31 Oct 2024 15:06:07 UTC No. 16457036
>>16452572
They didn't. Read the article.
They died from cold, not from hunger and anorexia. Humans can survive few months without food.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dyatl
Anonymous at Thu, 31 Oct 2024 15:22:22 UTC No. 16457071
>>16451199
northerners literally have lower surface areas, thicker fat layers and higher metabolisms generating heat than africans
or look at the selk'nam people of the far tip of south america
Anonymous at Thu, 31 Oct 2024 15:23:35 UTC No. 16457073
>>16451203
there is a species of mice that was carried over to svalbard by russians that has managed to establish colonies there
Anonymous at Thu, 31 Oct 2024 15:26:03 UTC No. 16457075
>>16456545
I remember mors kochanski talking about old style hudson bay company issued wool blankets, super thick super warm and how they had to custom order replicas but they kept people warm like nothing else.
Anonymous at Thu, 31 Oct 2024 15:31:46 UTC No. 16457083
>>16451661
That's a calf jacket though? they are literally only used for like the first month on vulnerable animals because after a month calves should have developed a functional rumen fgermenting vat and those things just belch out heat, I think If I remember right as long as cows have access to enough fermentable fodder they can survive down at least to -20.
naturally wcalves would generally be born during the warm spring period where the cold shouldn't be a problem
Anonymous at Thu, 31 Oct 2024 15:32:57 UTC No. 16457085
>>16452205
>Cows are fat and big
nah, that's less important cows are literally carryning around there own little fermentation vat heater like all ruminants
Anonymous at Thu, 31 Oct 2024 23:07:36 UTC No. 16457534
>>16453318
No, humans produce little heat and they have to eat food all day. If you will exercise to produce heat this will make you tired and consume 3500 kcal per day.
Anonymous at Fri, 1 Nov 2024 00:21:50 UTC No. 16457586
>>16451199
white people literally evolved white skin to better absorb vitamin d in places with weak or little sunlight, which are cold places. whites and some Asians are simply better adapted to the cold than dark skinned people, whose skin is trying to block as much sunlight as possible because they're constantly exposed to it.
Anonymous at Fri, 1 Nov 2024 10:03:06 UTC No. 16457962
>>16451396
>How can they know that cows like 5C?
They use facts and logic
The surface-to-volume ratio of a cow means that they lose heat with more difficulty than we do. An ambient temperature of 5C provides adequate cooling.
Anonymous at Fri, 1 Nov 2024 15:36:46 UTC No. 16458290
>>16451199
I love seeing retarded redditors like this get shit on
Anonymous at Fri, 1 Nov 2024 15:43:48 UTC No. 16458297
>>16451095
> cows are most comfortable at about 5°C
Yet they would have nothing to eat in areas with 5°C
Anonymous at Fri, 1 Nov 2024 16:23:24 UTC No. 16458352
>>16451189
Please go out at -25°C with your superior white skin and show us how well adapted you are. The more naked the better.
Anonymous at Fri, 1 Nov 2024 17:06:34 UTC No. 16458414
>>16458352
What does that have to do with winter sun? Don't tell me you - a man of science - got so triggered by the correlation between white skin and intelligence you started talking about random scenarios apart from the comment you replied to.
Anonymous at Fri, 1 Nov 2024 19:45:45 UTC No. 16458756
>>16458414
He's saying white skin ain't all that. It'll help with vit d synthesis but it won't protect you from the cold
Anonymous at Fri, 1 Nov 2024 19:52:26 UTC No. 16458766
>completely braindead question
>ends up being just a flimsy excuse to spam /pol/shit
yep that tracks
Anonymous at Fri, 1 Nov 2024 23:55:59 UTC No. 16459052
>>16452313
Countercurrent heat exchange is a really neat trick in general.
Anonymous at Sat, 2 Nov 2024 00:43:52 UTC No. 16459106
>>16456010
That's only modern nigger cattle who are useless at everything. If you took a hunter gatherer tribe from africa and explained the rudiments of cold weather life, they would probably be fine after the first few keeled over from frostbite and they realised cold=dangerous. Only as Hunter gatherers with abundant game though. If you expected them to start cooperative agricultural settlements planning for the seasons ahead? Lol lmao.
Anonymous at Sat, 2 Nov 2024 00:56:10 UTC No. 16459119
>>16451087
Some animals burrow into the ground, which basically never gets cold enough to be lethal. In most places if theres snow on the ground and the air is 10 F, the ground will still be 40 F. Some animals, mainly birds, migrate to tropical areas. Some animals hibernate, and some animals just all die off while their eggs get frozen, mainly insects.
Anonymous at Sat, 2 Nov 2024 09:21:38 UTC No. 16459473
>>16457534
if you are even just constantly walking you will produce a lot more heat than normal
Anonymous at Sat, 2 Nov 2024 10:58:26 UTC No. 16459531
>>16453325
Another problem is that even nordic regions actually have high temperatures during summer. But humans could lose their fat for warm months and gain before winter.
How did people live and survive in the cold regions before we got heavy polyester jackets, central heating, houses with insulated walls, fridges?
Anonymous at Sat, 2 Nov 2024 12:54:50 UTC No. 16459586
>>16459052
Used in engineering all the time
Anonymous at Sat, 2 Nov 2024 17:11:30 UTC No. 16459783
>>16459531
They wore clothes and had fire
Anonymous at Sat, 2 Nov 2024 17:25:27 UTC No. 16459794
>>16451965
>Overnight, something caused them to cut their way out of their tent and flee the campsite while inadequately dressed for the heavy snowfall and subzero temperatures. After the group's bodies were discovered, an investigation by Soviet authorities determined that six of them had died from hypothermia while the other three had been killed by physical trauma. One victim had major skull damage, two had severe chest trauma, and another had a small crack in his skull. Four of the bodies were found lying in running water in a creek, and three of these four had damaged soft tissue of the head and face – two of the bodies had missing eyes, one had a missing tongue, and one had missing eyebrows.
Can't burrow away from an angry yeti
Anonymous at Sun, 3 Nov 2024 01:44:03 UTC No. 16460387
>>16453325
>>16459531
By that logic animals that survive winter by huddling, burrowing, hibernating etc. aren't really adapted to winter because if they didn't do those things they would die.
It's obvious that white people are adapted to winter because they have been thriving in winter environments naturally for hundreds of thousands of years. The only part you could debate is what traits contributed best to that adaption. Lowering the melanin was a clear example that helped but of course wasn't sufficient on its own.
Anonymous at Sun, 3 Nov 2024 03:12:30 UTC No. 16460471
>>16453389
But why did humans even try to survive in the winter, what is the point when you can just live in Africa and South Asia?
Anonymous at Sun, 3 Nov 2024 10:52:35 UTC No. 16460772
>>16453393
She was right, dogs are not made for -15C. Penguins are made for -15C.
Anonymous at Sun, 3 Nov 2024 18:58:23 UTC No. 16461247
>>16453833
Then why port cows to the Arctics if we already have arctic cows like the ones you listed?
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Nov 2024 12:14:33 UTC No. 16462010
>>16453972
>Every example you gave uses at least a couple of these strategies.
Then tell me what strategies are used by each of the animal I listed.
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Nov 2024 13:44:00 UTC No. 16462088
>>16452205
Small animals can be pretty warm. Ever been stepped on by a cat? Their paws are surprisingly hot tot he touch.
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Nov 2024 13:47:24 UTC No. 16462091
>>16452314
Maybe warmer hands mean better manual dexterity?
Anonymous at Tue, 5 Nov 2024 11:26:35 UTC No. 16463417
how did humans survive in Norway and Canada, before modern technology?
Anonymous at Tue, 5 Nov 2024 19:08:40 UTC No. 16463956
>>16463417
they were just hardcore, man
Anonymous at Tue, 5 Nov 2024 22:08:18 UTC No. 16464149
>>16451095
Speak for yourself I'd kill myself if I had to live around humid swamp shit heat my entire life. LOVE ME DEHYDRATED WINTER
Anonymous at Wed, 6 Nov 2024 10:15:57 UTC No. 16464787
>>16455998
Okay, humans have hands with large surface but little mass, dogs and cats have short hands and fingers.
Anonymous at Thu, 7 Nov 2024 11:25:35 UTC No. 16465906
>>16456010
>Whites can survive here with pre-historic technology
Like what? You cannot survive winter and Arctics with stupid "clothes" made of animal skins.
Anonymous at Fri, 8 Nov 2024 01:45:22 UTC No. 16466672
>>16458297
Grass grows fine at that temperature.
Anonymous at Fri, 8 Nov 2024 01:58:24 UTC No. 16466682
>>16462088
How the fuck does a sparrow get into a birdbath at 5 C, cover themselves in cold water and then fly off like it's nothing? If I dipped my whole body in there, I'd be dying.
Anonymous at Fri, 8 Nov 2024 11:24:44 UTC No. 16467010
>>16456530
>humans have evolved to live in the great rift valley in Africa, one of the hottest places on earth. We are incredibly heat resistant but suck at cold.
But why would anybody live in the cold?
Some animals live but only because they lost competition in the tropics and had to find new place. And there is not many animals and plants in the cold, the density of living things is low, there is no food and no energy.
Anonymous at Fri, 8 Nov 2024 13:53:09 UTC No. 16467139
>>16466672
It grows very slow and short
Anonymous at Sat, 9 Nov 2024 10:32:47 UTC No. 16468130
>>16456545
>wool today is dogshit thin and expensive aswell.
This is what capitalists do. They lower the quality and increase prices.
Anonymous at Sun, 10 Nov 2024 11:16:20 UTC No. 16469483
>>16456584
>Some animals evolve to have this hairy stuff called "fur". It helps to keep them warm during the winter. Some animals will even huddle together with their own kind to help stay warm.
Why don't Eskimo or Norwegian people have fur? Because it's too hot in the summer?
>Fish adapt to the temperate around them.
Why humans don't? Also water takes your heat away faster than air, so how can fish live?
>Some insects are freeze resistant
Why humans aren't? If we had more salt in our blood it wouldn't freeze.
>some insects just die off during winter and the next batch hatches again when things warm up.
Then how do the new baby insects know how to live and what to do if they don't have parents and schools to teach them? If you had a human like this, without parents and everything, this human wouldn't even speak, also baby human would just die from starvation and animals eating it.
>Birds migrate.
Why humans don't?
Anonymous at Mon, 11 Nov 2024 10:19:29 UTC No. 16470612
>>16457071
No, they don't. The fattest people live in America and Oceania.
Anonymous at Mon, 11 Nov 2024 12:43:24 UTC No. 16470690
>>16460471
Because that's the human spirit. Evolution granted us the ability to exceed our nature.
Anonymous at Mon, 11 Nov 2024 22:49:53 UTC No. 16471351
>>16451463
>What happens to humans there that live on trees and don't have clothes?
They get locked up
Anonymous at Mon, 11 Nov 2024 22:51:30 UTC No. 16471352
>>16451468
skill issue
Anonymous at Mon, 11 Nov 2024 22:52:59 UTC No. 16471354
>>16460471
Because Africa is full of niggers
Anonymous at Mon, 11 Nov 2024 23:07:43 UTC No. 16471369
>>16454784
Huskies sleep with their feet tucked into their fur.
When running on snow and ice they wear booties.
If their booties got soaked or fall off they typically lost their paws to frostbite and were shot or abandoned.
Sucks but that's just the way things happened back in the day.
Anonymous at Tue, 12 Nov 2024 10:24:08 UTC No. 16471828
>>16471369
>When running on snow and ice they wear booties.
They wear what????
Anonymous at Wed, 13 Nov 2024 11:50:05 UTC No. 16473258
>>16457586
People in North Africa and South Asia have white skin. So white skin is not evidence that humans evolved to live in Norway or Alaska. It is only evidence that humans evolved to live outside equator and central Africa.
Anonymous at Wed, 13 Nov 2024 12:52:47 UTC No. 16473300
>>16473258
> People in North Africa and South Asia have
dark skin. Yes, for a non white person it might seems to look like white skin.
Anonymous at Thu, 14 Nov 2024 12:27:55 UTC No. 16474683
>>16451087
Niggers die in winter
Anonymous at Fri, 15 Nov 2024 00:24:47 UTC No. 16475444
>>16459119
>Some animals, mainly birds, migrate to tropical areas
Why do they come back? Why don't they stay all year there?
>and some animals just all die off while their eggs get frozen, mainly insects.
How to insect then know how to live and do things if they don't have parents and schools because everybody died in the winter?
Anonymous at Fri, 15 Nov 2024 00:37:00 UTC No. 16475458
>>16475444
>Why don't they stay all year there
More competition, disease, and predators
>How to insect then know how to live and do things if they don't have parents and schools because everybody died in the winter?
Instinct
Anonymous at Fri, 15 Nov 2024 10:28:09 UTC No. 16475886
>>16459473
You think you will walk 24 hours per day, even during sleep? Do you know that walking consumes energy?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dyatl
Why didn't they just walk to be warm?
Anonymous at Fri, 15 Nov 2024 11:04:29 UTC No. 16475918
>>16452912
>>16475444
Do better with the pretend retard act if (you) want more (you)s
Anonymous at Fri, 15 Nov 2024 12:36:07 UTC No. 16475999
>>16475886
>Why didn't they just walk to be warm?
Because they were russians and therefor stupid.
They probably undressed and had some anal rape before they all shot themselves while the weather was actually nice and sunny.
Anonymous at Fri, 15 Nov 2024 18:45:32 UTC No. 16476596
>>16458352
Work on your reading comprehension Jamal
Anonymous at Fri, 15 Nov 2024 18:48:21 UTC No. 16476599
>>16468130
>capitalism did this
retarded consumers such as yourself chose the inferior product
then you had more children, despite being retarded
Anonymous at Sat, 16 Nov 2024 08:21:37 UTC No. 16477596
>>16459794
It was aliens, they landed there because it was remote and with no witnesses.
Anonymous at Sat, 16 Nov 2024 19:19:36 UTC No. 16478071
>>16467139
It's better than >nothing
Anonymous at Sat, 16 Nov 2024 21:16:25 UTC No. 16478175
>>16452313
>wolf genes that never sweat
Genetically engineer humans to choose when and where to sweat.
>retarded vein layout
How does the tissue of the duck's foot stay alive at close to negative temperatures?
Anonymous at Sat, 16 Nov 2024 22:12:26 UTC No. 16478251
>>16478071
But not enough.
Anonymous at Sat, 16 Nov 2024 22:13:41 UTC No. 16478255
>>16478175
The OP is mistaken in the sense that counter-current heat exchange helps these things not loose their toes because it quite obviously doesn't. In fact it makes that problem worse since it actively makes extremities cooler. It's a neat system that reduces overall heat loss which is of course helpful but doesn't by itself help with freezing limbs or frostbite.
The actual answer why say a duck or a dog can just hand around on the snow while a human get it's toes frozen off is because of specific adaptions to cold. Furs and feathers are highly efficient insulator and bird legs for instance have way less fluids and muscles and come with thick skin so they are naturally resistant to freezing compared to the delicate mammal hands with loads of nerves and muscles in them. There's also chemical differences in cell walls and cell compositions as well and other such adaptations
Though I suppose in the end the heat exchange does help somewhat, namely in the sense that it allows for finer control over how much heat is being sent down to the feet. Many of these cold adapted animals can increase the amount of heat their bodies generate much more efficiently than a warm adapted animal like human and they can also control how much of that end up in the exposed parts better than a human can.
One thing to note is that the way humans freeze (pre technology) is trough overall heat loss e.g. a cold night or something. The best response to that is to shut off our limbs and conserve overall energy in the core. This backfires in the modern day where you may have a jacket or something that would keep you warm for days but your body suicides your fingers when it detects a whiff of cold hitting your nose by shutting your capillaries even though you would have enough hot blood to just keep them warm anyways. For a wolf that evolved to deal with snow that's not the way they freeze so they can afford to have their limbs to take way more cold because that's part of their normal life
Anonymous at Sun, 17 Nov 2024 04:06:44 UTC No. 16478555
>>16470612
Black Americans are 50% more likely to be obese than white Americans.
Anonymous at Sun, 17 Nov 2024 11:31:15 UTC No. 16478819
>>16460387
>It's obvious that white people are adapted to winter because they have been thriving in winter environments naturally for hundreds of thousands of years.
Do you have evidence they did? What clothes and house heating they had? I don't see how they survived -10C in the winter.
>Lowering the melanin was a clear example that helped but of course wasn't sufficient on its own.
White skin is not evidence of adaptation to winter and Alaska, Greenland, Norway, Siberia.
Because even North Africans have white skin. Italians have white skin.
People with white skin are designed to live in Southern Europe, China, Florida, not in Alaska.
In northern countries, even people with white skin have low Vitamin D, that means their bodies are not adapted.
Anonymous at Sun, 17 Nov 2024 12:12:21 UTC No. 16478853
>>16452313
also humans sweat and need to drink water at a ridiculous rate. even compared to other apes it's a different world, and this is because those apes were in jungles and humans were on bare ass plains in extremely high heat
Anonymous at Sun, 17 Nov 2024 12:33:05 UTC No. 16478873
>>16457075
Hudson blankets are the shit. I had a hand-me-down years ago, so thicc
Anonymous at Sun, 17 Nov 2024 12:36:55 UTC No. 16478879
>>16467010
>But why would anybody live in the cold
It's free real estate
Anonymous at Sun, 17 Nov 2024 12:38:55 UTC No. 16478881
>>16468130
>This is what capitalists do
That's what financialisation of an economy does. We need to return to mercantile economies. Also ban usury and bring back hard money based on a rare commodity.
Anonymous at Sun, 17 Nov 2024 12:44:59 UTC No. 16478891
>>16478255
>Though I suppose in the end the heat exchange does help somewhat, namely in the sense that it allows for finer control over how much heat is being sent down to the feet.
That certainly helps a tonne. Human digits just go from cold to colder untill they fall off.
Anonymous at Sun, 17 Nov 2024 16:05:47 UTC No. 16479048
>>16452912
>If human wears a "fur" like jacket he will die in -15C.
no