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Anonymous at Sun, 27 Oct 2024 03:59:52 UTC No. 16451672
>this thing spins
>why does it spin?
>because it's connected by an unbroken copper loop with something else that also spins
make it make sense
Anonymous at Sun, 27 Oct 2024 04:11:59 UTC No. 16451679
>>16451677
naruhodo...
Anonymous at Sun, 27 Oct 2024 04:22:04 UTC No. 16451689
>>16451672
You already made it make sense.
Anonymous at Sun, 27 Oct 2024 04:56:50 UTC No. 16451731
>>16451672
the loop is a very large sided polygon
Anonymous at Sun, 27 Oct 2024 05:20:33 UTC No. 16451753
>>16451689
Literally this. OP gave the clearest explanation of electricity I have ever heard.
If only he understood his own genius.
Anonymous at Sun, 27 Oct 2024 05:28:29 UTC No. 16451767
>>16451672
it's several copper loops that are connected and disconnected sequentially to create a moving magnetic field that attracts the permanent or electromagnetic rotor.
Anonymous at Sun, 27 Oct 2024 10:21:56 UTC No. 16451953
>>16451672
>water flows through this
>why?
>because it's connected by an unbroken hollow tube to somewhere else where the water also flows
make it make sense
Anonymous at Sun, 27 Oct 2024 12:11:51 UTC No. 16452012
>>16451672
despite the losses in efficiency in terms of energy, electricity is cheaper to transport than rotational force. the market measures efficiency in dollars.
>>16451953
I don't know if this quite works 1:1 because the input/output is the same form it's transported in which is not true for the energy in a dremel
Anonymous at Sun, 27 Oct 2024 12:33:00 UTC No. 16452029
>>16452012
dremel spins
water pump spins
Anonymous at Sun, 27 Oct 2024 14:53:28 UTC No. 16452244
>>16451953
Is a battery like filling a barrel with water
And then dumping the barrel to flatten some grass.
Fill a battery with electrons, and when the circuit is completed, the electrons pour out?
Anonymous at Sun, 27 Oct 2024 15:16:36 UTC No. 16452264
>>16451672
It converts demonic energy into potential energy. Highly useful. But it is based on sorcery which has been rebranded as "technology." We all use it and we will all pay a price for the convenience. Nothing is free in this world - or the next.
Anonymous at Sun, 27 Oct 2024 15:22:35 UTC No. 16452269
>>16452244
If a battery has more electrons, and therefore more potential, how can a battery run out of power if the electrons return to the positive end of the circuit? Where do they go?
Anonymous at Sun, 27 Oct 2024 15:44:11 UTC No. 16452306
>>16452269
>if the electrons return to the positive end of the circuit? Where do they go?
OK well my complete ignorance kind of knows batteries are some chemical acid process, and considering the notions of electrons not riding throw wires like a train tunnel but more so being newton's cradled,
The electrons don't leave the battery but whatever chemical is in there, when circuit is connected, the introduction of more access of electrons in the battery pushes electrons out but they have no where to go so they push back, push out push back push out push back..
And the battery chemicals are losing their strength to do this as heat, until the electrons have enough room in the battery to stay stable, and there is no need to push in any direction.
Anonymous at Sun, 27 Oct 2024 15:56:01 UTC No. 16452318
>>16452012
>>electricity is cheaper to transport than rotational force
I like to imagine a reality where the opposite is true. I take out my KitchenAid mixer and connect its flexible line shaft to the wall port ("rotaptacle"), feeling the familiar hum and grind of meaning teeth through the rubber outer casing. The speed control on the mixer begins to vibrate slightly, indicating its readiness to be shifted into the low starting gear for the heavy sandwich bread dough I'd like to mix with the kneading hook.
How do I heat the oven with rotational force?
Also, how breathtaking would the "circuit panel" in the basement look?
Anonymous at Sun, 27 Oct 2024 16:03:49 UTC No. 16452329
>>16452318
>How do I heat the oven with rotational force?
brake disks on a car get pretty hot, maybe like that.
Anonymous at Sun, 27 Oct 2024 17:28:23 UTC No. 16452438
>>16452244
sure
Anonymous at Sun, 27 Oct 2024 18:06:23 UTC No. 16452509
>>16451672
>make it make sense
The electrons spin too. Spin conservation at work.
Anonymous at Sun, 27 Oct 2024 19:04:30 UTC No. 16452574
>>16452438
lol just looked it up more, and yeah it's all about chemical reactions in batteries.
Why I was always scared of chemistry I didn't get chemical bonds, I didn't get... I don't get how an electron holds things together, and then when the chemicals form new bonds the proportion of energy that is released.
Imagine I gave you 2 marbles and a third smaller 1 and I say using only these 3 objects make these strongly stick together, and do so such that when I successfully pull them apart some intriguing amount of force emanates upon releasing them.
So battery full of innert molecules.
The circuit is complete, let's call it the batteries North is touched by wire.
The molecules in the north have slots in them electron size, the wire has lots of electrons.
Because electrons are always bouncing around, when the metal wire touches the metal batteries north, it becomes as if a bridge, 1 piece of metal object.
The always bouncing orbiting electrons in the wire, cross the bridge at the bat north, and start to fill up battery molecules with electrons.
Battery molecules when from at rest, to having a river of bouncing electrons cascade into their realm.
This pushes the molecules around, and they make or break new bonds, for some reason this makes electrons bounce and move even more, until they are shot out the south end. Which is also a bridge of metal. The circuit is now a tunnel for electron trains, passing through the steam engine of battery chain reaction em vibration waving pushes, to keep the trapped electrons flowing around the circle
Yeah no clue
Anonymous at Sun, 27 Oct 2024 19:14:01 UTC No. 16452586
>>16452318
>the entire world built in the fashion of 1890s line shaft and leather belt
what a vision
Anonymous at Sun, 27 Oct 2024 19:23:13 UTC No. 16452605
Big numbers have more to give to smaller numbers, so big numbers removing some numbers from themselves and throwing them at smaller numbers makes the smaller number do work
Anonymous at Mon, 28 Oct 2024 01:20:13 UTC No. 16453045
>>16452586
What a smell
Anonymous at Mon, 28 Oct 2024 05:46:14 UTC No. 16453228
>>16452318
Definitely interesting to think about. I think a typical house would have a central shaft running towards the street in the walls, and maybe a couple of mini-shafts to power other things like lights or fridges or whatever. It's a little bit lossy going around corners, so houses would be designed to keep them as straight as possible. There'd also be a second "control rod" over smaller power shafts, so you can disconnect it (via a clutch like mechanism) from the power. Probably little levers on the wall sockets to do the same thing.
You could also see a lot of use of compressed air. I work in a chemical plant that has a system of air pipes going around the whole place, you plug an air hose in and hook it up to run a pump. The downside is anything using compressed air will be loud. (The pipes at work leak, you have to go tighten them with a wrench or they hiss. Diaphragm pumps sound like steam engines too.) Very flexible though, so a typical house would have a rotation-driven air compressor and hoses for powering things like garden tools, or just using as an extention cord, probably by plugging the hose into another attachment that converts compressed air to rotational or electrical energy. Electrical outlets, where they exist, will probably have pneumatic or mechanical generators on that spot.
Typical household rotatrons or whatever might be 120-200 RPM at 40 to 100 ft-lbs, to provide about the same power output as residential power plugs on a cheap shaft that's not unreasonably thick (compare it to torque specs on cars). Gearing it up or down would be super-easy. Probably, you would want high gears for local stuff, so you can have thinner wires, for longer distance you would prefer heavier, slower gearing to minimise friction losses, at the cost of thick ass shafts.
Anonymous at Mon, 28 Oct 2024 06:03:18 UTC No. 16453242
>>16452012
>>16452318
How can we make rotational force cheaper to transport?
Anonymous at Mon, 28 Oct 2024 07:22:44 UTC No. 16453307
>>16452594
>its energy conservation, dumbass
Midwit detected. Your understanding of the world comes from a series of rules you memorized out of a textbook. "X happened and because of conservation of energy Y must happen" is not a valid statement. Of course we'll notice that energy is conserved, but there are many things that could happen that all conserve energy. You aren't actually explaining something unless your description is reducible to a series of direct cause-and-effect steps.
Anonymous at Mon, 28 Oct 2024 08:55:19 UTC No. 16453358
>>16451672
quarks spin, so they be arranged to spin other things. As below so above.
Anonymous at Mon, 28 Oct 2024 09:21:10 UTC No. 16453375
>>16451672
Rotation in a solid is caused by the complementary motion of its molecules, which are effectively masses bound together by electric forces that act like springs.
Imagine 2 masses connected by a spring, if you were to move them in opposite directions, off the initial spring axis, you'd get a rotating and oscillating spring. This occurs in all solids when you apply torque (i.e. opposite forces at opposite ends which spins the object). See:
https://youtu.be/IkuJPPEJSgk?si=WWj
Anonymous at Mon, 28 Oct 2024 14:40:56 UTC No. 16453568
>>16453242
>>How can we make rotational force cheaper to transport?
Ah, this will all be figured out once we achieve superconductivity. So maybe all rotational elements are contained in a high-pressure superfluid that somehow negates friction and weight of the elements. Probably through exotic physics, but I'm kind of approaching a Fantasy World with Magic that's actually Science Fiction World with Super-Advanced Femtomachinery Wielded By Users Whom Can Only Understand It As "Magic".
(so the "wizard" appears to yell Avada Kedavra and kill his opponent, when I'm fact his opponent had his strong nuclear bonds momentarily cancelled by those omnipresent femtomachines)
Anonymous at Mon, 28 Oct 2024 15:10:39 UTC No. 16453592
>>16452574
>I don't get how an electron holds things together
It is hard to conceive of varying sized marbles strongly sticking together, and then producing energy upon being shaken apart, so the fundamental particles must not be like marbles. What must they be like then? Snaps? Glue? Suction cups?
Anonymous at Mon, 28 Oct 2024 15:18:07 UTC No. 16453601
>>16453592
>What must they be like then? Snaps? Glue? Suction cups?
Snaps work via sturdy physical differences precisely aligning, overcoming an energy requirement to be locked in place.
Glue works via... no clue, probably kicking the electron chemical reaction can down the road.
Suction cups work via, vis a vis, don't really know, pressure gradient whatever that means,
There are also hooks/clasps, which may be in the first sturdy geometry objects interaction connections category.
Anonymous at Mon, 28 Oct 2024 15:29:06 UTC No. 16453615
>>16453592
fundamental particles are like fundamental particles
Anonymous at Mon, 28 Oct 2024 15:36:24 UTC No. 16453619
>>16453307
They were joking, and pointing to a forrest aware it's full of many things and trees
Anonymous at Mon, 28 Oct 2024 15:49:00 UTC No. 16453631
>>16453615
>fundamental particles are like fundamental particles
Every possible thing can be classified and categorized into groups and types
Quantities and qualities have qualities and in physics, or the study of the real, or the study of that which exists, the interactions of qualities that result in the actions of qualities must have physical reasons for occurring as they do, intelligible or not, intelligible of itself for physically functioning
Anonymous at Mon, 28 Oct 2024 16:00:22 UTC No. 16453650
>>16453242
electricity is cool and all but have you considered shipping enormous fucking flywheels everywhere?
>>16453631
the group and type possessed by the electron is "electron". it is a probability bundle. there is nothing to the electron not described by its wave function. all observable properties of the electron are direct consequence of the application of operations on its wavefunction. to put it into a category other than "a math thing" or label it as itself would be very silly.
Anonymous at Mon, 28 Oct 2024 16:23:57 UTC No. 16453679
>>16451767
that seems hard, the wrong timing would have it stalling or going the wrong way
give me a different explanation
Anonymous at Mon, 28 Oct 2024 16:29:11 UTC No. 16453686
>>16452586
the economy worked better that way
Anonymous at Mon, 28 Oct 2024 16:46:28 UTC No. 16453708
4 Pole induction motors were the biggest mystery ever for me, i could never understand how the rotating magnetic field made a whole turn, basically reaching the starting point, while the rotor spun only half a turn.
Every book of electrical engineering skipped that over, saying it was like a 2 pole motor and details were left as an exercise for the reader.
Then i figured out how they worked, just saw a drawing of them, it was such a simple concept.
Anonymous at Mon, 28 Oct 2024 16:48:42 UTC No. 16453710
>>16453650
>to put it into a category other than "a math thing
Math things occur for precise reasons. Especially math things that are also real physical things if they are real physical things.
There is a physical reason 1+1=2
Do you know the physical reason an electron sticks to positive charges, or holds bonds together?
Are electrons and protons real, or are they black line symbols?
Anonymous at Mon, 28 Oct 2024 17:05:24 UTC No. 16453726
>>16452244
>Is a battery like filling a barrel with water
Yes, both should be returned to the ocean.
Anonymous at Mon, 28 Oct 2024 19:18:29 UTC No. 16453900
>>16453679
a universal brushed motor uses carbon brushes and a stator, so the energized coil is always offset.
a three phase motor always has a rotating field
and they you've got shaded pole and cap start that employ wizard magic.
Anonymous at Mon, 28 Oct 2024 21:18:09 UTC No. 16454015
>>16453242
A series of underground driveshafts and U-joints
Anonymous at Wed, 30 Oct 2024 04:01:31 UTC No. 16455579
>>16453710
>Do you know the physical reason an electron sticks to positive charges, or holds bonds together?
Anonymous at Wed, 30 Oct 2024 04:49:29 UTC No. 16455611
>>16451672
Same reason a water wheel turns. The current generates a force which turns the wheel.
Anonymous at Thu, 31 Oct 2024 13:52:18 UTC No. 16456923
>>16451672
Obviously there is a brushless electric motor inside, it is composed from rotator with some magnets glued to it and an excitor made from 3 or more closed loops of copper.
now by applying voltage on one of the loops you are creating a magnetic field which makes rotator move in order to aligned said glued magnets with it, when that happens it swithches off that loop and applies voltage to next one wich also moves rotator, this cylce continues so that it rotates.
funny thing is that there is a need for an elaborate controll curcuit which needs to know where are the rotator magnets right now in order to switch loops on and off at right times to get it to right speed.
sometimes it checks rotators position by using hall sensor (magnetic field sensor) to keep track of the magnets and sometimes it works by measuring voltage on loops that are currently switched off (that works because moving a magnet around said loop will generate small amount of electricity inside that loop, by measuirng it you can calculate at what position the rotor is and how fast it is spinning at the moment)
Anonymous at Thu, 31 Oct 2024 19:23:43 UTC No. 16457316
>>16456923
>Obviously there is a brushless electric motor inside
Maybe they don't anymore, but I think some have induction motors instead.