Anonymous at Mon, 28 Oct 2024 17:44:06 UTC No. 16453784

Yes. Anti-materialists are morons. Literal fucking morons.

- “No! God isn’t material! He is outside the existence we’re in! Beyond physics!”

- “How is that extra existence not existent though? You just assumed it exists. How is that not material? How is meta-physics not more exotic, transcendent physics?”

>light matters
Kek. This is how I will look at matter from now on. Shit happens, shit matters.

Anonymous at Mon, 28 Oct 2024 17:47:43 UTC No. 16453787

>another stupid thread about semantics

Anonymous at Mon, 28 Oct 2024 17:48:21 UTC No. 16453790

> I don’t care if it doesn’t have mass.
But that is the very definition of matter, anything with mass.

Anonymous at Mon, 28 Oct 2024 17:48:46 UTC No. 16453791

>>16453787
Are photons matter or not? Does light matter? I’d say yes, light does matter, as it’s how we see the world around us. The eye is perhaps our most treasured sense.

Anonymous at Mon, 28 Oct 2024 17:49:46 UTC No. 16453794

>>16453790
So light doesn’t matter. Got it. It’s not there. There is nothing to it. No material.

Anonymous at Mon, 28 Oct 2024 17:52:43 UTC No. 16453800

>>16453790
There are massless particles, like gluons, and they certainly exist. They matter.

Matter in the sense of mass is finite, but matter in the sense of existential material, just has to exist. Even space exists. It’s a ‘fabric’ we’re embedded in.

Anonymous at Mon, 28 Oct 2024 17:54:54 UTC No. 16453805

Space is mega matter.

Anonymous at Mon, 28 Oct 2024 17:57:05 UTC No. 16453810

>>16453805
Matter that presents matter…

Anonymous at Mon, 28 Oct 2024 17:58:07 UTC No. 16453813

>>16453791
>>16453794
>>16453800
Cease your semantic sorcery.

Anonymous at Mon, 28 Oct 2024 18:00:58 UTC No. 16453817

>>16453813
It may be semantics, but it’s important to point out that scientists struggle agreeing on words. “What? No. Evolution is totally different from adaptability” “How?” “It just is, okay” “But even the universe evolves” “Shut up” “How is entropy not just a bitch of causality?” “STOP IT”

Anonymous at Mon, 28 Oct 2024 18:03:53 UTC No. 16453822

>>16453817
STOP IT.

Anonymous at Mon, 28 Oct 2024 18:49:06 UTC No. 16453859

>>16453732
Matter is any contribution to the stress-energy tensor. So everything that’s not gravity or the vacuum is matter.

Anonymous at Mon, 28 Oct 2024 19:05:26 UTC No. 16453883

>>16453859
>space isn’t a “fabric” fabric
Bullshit

Anonymous at Mon, 28 Oct 2024 19:46:20 UTC No. 16453917

>>16453883
wtf are you on about and what does this have to do with my post?

Anonymous at Mon, 28 Oct 2024 20:48:35 UTC No. 16453980

>>16453917
Space matters. It’s real.

Anonymous at Mon, 28 Oct 2024 21:13:30 UTC No. 16454012

>>16453980
Kek. Ok. And?

Anonymous at Mon, 28 Oct 2024 21:52:41 UTC No. 16454050

>>16453732
>>16453784
Worthless semantic fart sniffing
>>16453800
>>16453794
"matter" does not mean "something that matters"
In physics, it typically means "something with mass", but actually that doesn't really matter. Physicists don't sit around thinking about why they call massive things matter and nonmassive things something else, because it's a pointless and useless question.
>>16453817
The difference is that this "matter" distinction is a trivial one. It doesn't matter.

Anonymous at Mon, 28 Oct 2024 22:05:46 UTC No. 16454063

A pond is matter.
Is a ripple in the pond any more matter than was previously there?

Anonymous at Mon, 28 Oct 2024 22:35:04 UTC No. 16454100

>>16454050
>"matter" does not mean "something that matters"
Cope.
If it's real—if it's there, if it exists—then it matters.
It's real. It's a thing, and there is something there to it.
It doesn't matter if photons don't have mass, it matters because they (the photons) are there. They're real.
That's matter.
Fuck anyone who says it isn't.
Fuck anyone who claims space isn't real because it's "nothing there".
At best you have nuanced absences, like the cold, the dark, holes, etc.

Anonymous at Mon, 28 Oct 2024 22:58:04 UTC No. 16454126

>>16454100
OK bro, go tell r/philosophy or something

Anonymous at Tue, 29 Oct 2024 02:24:11 UTC No. 16454326

>>16454100
Water in a pool is matter.

Is a wave made in the pool, different matter?

Anonymous at Tue, 29 Oct 2024 02:31:18 UTC No. 16454339

I must ask the smartest physics student on the board this question:

When the smallest single unit of light is emitted from a single source, describe the form of that light as it travels away from the source?

-------------
wvwvwvwvwv

))))))))

**********

>>>>>>>>

••••••••••••••

Or concentric circle like pond ripple

Anonymous at Tue, 29 Oct 2024 02:41:33 UTC No. 16454348

>>16454339
Well they say it's up down makes left right makes up down makes left right makes up down makes left right

Or up makes left makes down makes right makes up makes left makes down makes right makes up makes left makes down makes right.

So it's kind of like a wobbly cylinder that grows in length, though maybe it's just a wobbly short nub plug of a cylinder and it's behind is always being collapsed upon which keeps pushing it forward.

Anonymous at Tue, 29 Oct 2024 02:44:50 UTC No. 16454354

>>16454348
Or up left makes right down makes up left makes right down

Or up right makes left down makes up right makes left down.

If you pause this, and tilt it 45° it's the same as saying, up goes down goes up goes down goes up goes down goes up

Anonymous at Tue, 29 Oct 2024 03:11:03 UTC No. 16454384

>>16454326
It's certainly made/caused by something.

Anonymous at Tue, 29 Oct 2024 03:16:28 UTC No. 16454389

>>16454326
A WAVE IS NOT MATTER YOU DUMB FUCKING APE A WAVE IS A PATTERN OF ENERGY PROPAGATING *THROUGH* MATTER YOU FUCKING DENSE BUFFOON GO FUCK YOUR INBRED MOTHER YOU FUCKING BLOODY FUCK. And guess what? ENERGY ISNT FUCKING MATTER YOU FUCKING JEWISH PIECE OF SHIT. FUCK YOU

Anonymous at Tue, 29 Oct 2024 03:36:05 UTC No. 16454402

>>16454384
>It's certainly made/caused by something.
This is why I'm asking this:
>>16454339

Is space = water ::: light = wave

Or space = nothing :::: light = projectile ejected from source some shapely way

Anonymous at Tue, 29 Oct 2024 03:52:38 UTC No. 16454414

>>16454389
>a wave is not matter
>it is energy
Is matter matter because it has mass, or is matter matter because it means something is there?

Anonymous at Tue, 29 Oct 2024 04:04:14 UTC No. 16454420

>>16453732
the laws of nature objectively exist and are not matter
if you deny natural laws then you reduce science to a purely recreational activity, expedient for practicality or some other social construct

Anonymous at Tue, 29 Oct 2024 12:18:31 UTC No. 16454683

>>16454420
>a purely recreational activity
People already postulate that existence could be just some kickstarted larger than life simulation. By that point, science is a form of art. Actually, it already is—since you cannot technically separate art from science.

Anonymous at Tue, 29 Oct 2024 12:28:40 UTC No. 16454688

>>16454420
>the laws of nature objectively exist and are not matter
Okay but they matter

Anonymous at Tue, 29 Oct 2024 15:20:39 UTC No. 16454819

Nothing matters. Ergo nothing is matter.

Anonymous at Wed, 30 Oct 2024 05:15:01 UTC No. 16455626

>>16454414
>Is matter matter because it has mass, or is matter matter because it means something is there
Who is the ultimate authority of the defining of definitions, and how is it determined how absolutely meaningful and impacftul some distinctions are?

Light cannot be halted. A rock can be halted.

A water wave can be halted if frozen.
But then aspects of its wave quality are lost.

Perhaps light can be halted, as magnetic field. But then aspects of lights wave quality is lost.

Anonymous at Wed, 30 Oct 2024 05:18:44 UTC No. 16455629

>>16453732
>>16454050
Why you keep using the glowie pepe?

Anonymous at Wed, 30 Oct 2024 06:00:45 UTC No. 16455639

>>16455629
It activates my neurons. And I want to tell my assigned glowie a story.

Anonymous at Wed, 30 Oct 2024 06:10:21 UTC No. 16455646

Water waves are made of water particles
Air waves are made of air particles
Light waves are made of light particles
Earth waves are made of earth particles

Anonymous at Thu, 31 Oct 2024 12:49:45 UTC No. 16456873

>>16453732
Yes. I've always said this. Fuck anyone who says a particle can't be matter.