Anonymous at Wed, 30 Oct 2024 03:12:01 UTC No. 16455537
>>16455474
yes it's physicist's modern day Orgone
Anonymous at Wed, 30 Oct 2024 04:03:32 UTC No. 16455580
No. "Dark matter" is a name for a set of observations. It's the opposite of cope. It's admitting "we have these observations and can't explain them with any known physics".
Anonymous at Wed, 30 Oct 2024 04:06:57 UTC No. 16455583
>>16455474
>>16455580
Furthermore, no physicists are saying that we don't need a new theoretical approach. Lots of physicists are working on theoretical explanations of dark matter. The problem is that it's difficult to eliminate many explanations because dark matter interacts so weakly. New experiments are still valuable (potentially) because they may give new information about dark matter, which could eliminate some of those theories.
Anonymous at Thu, 31 Oct 2024 08:58:39 UTC No. 16456761
>>16455474
Yes. As a matter (get it) of fact, another name for it is cope matter, sometimes called psychologium
Anonymous at Thu, 31 Oct 2024 09:01:46 UTC No. 16456763
>>16455474
"Cope" for what? The fact that we have observations we can't explain under our current theories because our current theories would require there to be a kind of matter in some galaxies but not others which interacts only gravitationally? Because that's exactly what the "dark matter" problem is. Everyone knows we need some way to explain it.
Anonymous at Thu, 31 Oct 2024 18:31:02 UTC No. 16457270
What is the rest mass of each virtual photon at every cubic planck volume of space?
The entire idea of dark matter is due to a handful of galaxy rotation speeds?
Spiral galaxy arms, due to the perfect measurement of a galaxies rotation speed, perfect measurment of mass in the galaxy, perfect understanding of the gravity mechanism, and how it fundamentally functions with solar systems and inter solar systems, and the conclusion that if:
Mass X (stars, planets, dust, gas) rotates at velocity Y, then over the course of 40 years of spiral arm observation, we should have detected them flinging off into space.
Everyone in the 'dark matter industry' should have worked in finance, they certainly do not possess the spirit of scientist, and maybe they could have funded public sculptures, since they like beautiful fancy art projects so much, just the public should be able to enjoy them.
The dark matter detectors do look like ancient Egyptian temples or something like they would have seen playing Zelda, very cool.
Anonymous at Thu, 31 Oct 2024 19:19:25 UTC No. 16457311
>>16457270
>The entire idea of dark matter is due to a handful of galaxy rotation speeds?
The necessity for something with matter-like properties only interacting through gravity arises in more observations and models than just the rotation curves
Anonymous at Thu, 31 Oct 2024 20:21:22 UTC No. 16457350
>>16456763
The common sense solution to this "problem" is that "our current theories" are wrong.
Anonymous at Thu, 31 Oct 2024 20:24:47 UTC No. 16457353
>>16457350
brainlet take
Anonymous at Thu, 31 Oct 2024 20:25:08 UTC No. 16457354
>>16455474
>Please visit my chan. I have almost 300 posts.
Buy an ad.
Anonymous at Thu, 31 Oct 2024 20:28:11 UTC No. 16457359
>>16457350
Your common sense solution doesn't work though. Theories like MoND or variants simply do not explain all the observations, they struggle two fit more than one or two at once. They are also heuristic, they require fune-tuning of various parameters to fit the data - not a glowing recommendation - without any explanation why that has to be the case or the physics involved. The reason why people keep talking about dark matter is some new particle is because that does fit. A single, simple idea that explains *everything* astronomers have observed.
Anonymous at Thu, 31 Oct 2024 20:32:25 UTC No. 16457364
>>16457311
What does science know about the materiality/rest mass of the gravity field itself?
Dark energy is the notion that the fundamentality of space seems different outside galaxies than in; that right there is one motivation for considering it's 'from-all-out-sides-inward-pushing-
So no theory about the rest mass of virtual photons and virtual gravitons which must exist daisychained at every cubic planck volume throughout the universe not occupied by matter. And yeah they may linearly united as a compressed wavefront, but when dealing with solarmass scales, rotation, and lateral drag, other multi effects could be possible.
Point being, using all available theory and observation and physics history, the notion of dark matter could have been fine if never thought of, perhaps more than fine, extremely beneficial. Same goes with higgs, entirely pointless bunk, discovered in 2012, it was not, but let's say it was, anything since?
The only value of a dark matter detector could have ever been is a very aesthetic bar/restaurant. They have a tremendous sense for design, but that's about it
It behooves(?) one to hope for a conspiracy, that its just a front to store energy, rather than waste it
Anonymous at Thu, 31 Oct 2024 20:40:11 UTC No. 16457370
>>16457270
>over the course of 40 years of spiral arm observation, we should have detected them flinging off into space.
Is any galaxy detected that is a messy arm drifting spiral?
It could be as simple and obvious as: (first of all not understanding all effects of EM, those images of root looking super cluster networks) as spiral arms get thinner and weaker, less massive, they are in turn that much more easily persuaded towards the center spinning pull of the whole
Anonymous at Thu, 31 Oct 2024 21:16:08 UTC No. 16457402
Scientists are supposed to be the best and brightest among us, the smartest, it is not their fault one of the smartest things you can do in this world Is steal money.
It's not their fault as a bright eyeed bright brained bushy tailed child they were directed toward a field by random authorities and superiors.
Science is maybe 1 individual cloned a billion times with slight and more than slight variations, we must pity those who were shuffled down the corridors of dark matter, or wait, they should pity me
Anonymous at Thu, 31 Oct 2024 23:47:50 UTC No. 16457556
>>16455474
in case you need a short answer.
dark = unknown
yes, thats it.
Anonymous at Fri, 1 Nov 2024 13:00:00 UTC No. 16458100
>>16457350
kek that's exactly the same conclusion that every living physicist has come to. How is this board so retarded on the dark matter issue? Literally everyone agrees with you and you guys are too dumb to even notice it.
Every single physicist alive has noticed either
(a) there exists some kind of matter which interacts only with gravity,
(b) our current theories of gravity are wrong,
(c) or some combination of both.
And you guys think you're somehow arguing against the mainstream when everyone already thinks this.
>>16457359
This is too generous to MoND. MoND fails instantly because it doesn't explain why some galaxies have lots of dark matter and some appear to have none.
Anonymous at Fri, 1 Nov 2024 13:58:02 UTC No. 16458181
>>16455474
Link to board?
Anonymous at Fri, 1 Nov 2024 20:19:06 UTC No. 16458801
>>16458100
>it doesn't explain why some galaxies have lots of dark matter and some appear to have none.
It's only about spiral galaxies, the arms of spiral galaxies.
Other galaxies are rings or cluster or ball it makes sense:
Seems that ball galaxy has X amount of mass, wow all the matter seems to be staying together as a ball of galaxy, I geuss gravity is just keeping it together.
Spiral galaxy they say:
This spiral galaxy seems by our count to have Y amount of mass, it's not a ball, it has arms like a twirling octopus.
If we understand mass, and we understand gravity, according to our understanding, there is not enough massive matter to hold the spiral arms at bay, how possibly are the spiral arms stable and remaining a part of a galaxy.
You know that German or Swedish merrygo round with the sitting girls and it spins and they are flung off the sides because of the spinning, but it's easier to remain if you sit in the center. They are massive stars, and if they get further from the center they are flung off the spinning platform.
The platform does not have enough friction or grip or gravitational mass to keep them from being sent off.
Anonymous at Fri, 1 Nov 2024 20:22:33 UTC No. 16458807
>>16455474
lol yes
literally the same shit as saying god exists. Mainstream cosmologists are fucken retarded
Anonymous at Sat, 2 Nov 2024 06:10:47 UTC No. 16459328
>>16458181
I don't think your allowed to link other chans
Anonymous at Sat, 2 Nov 2024 10:35:29 UTC No. 16459515
>>16458801
sounds cute, if only we didn't have mountains of real observations which explanations like these failed to explain
Anonymous at Sat, 2 Nov 2024 13:28:05 UTC No. 16459610
>>16459515
How long were the spiral arms in question observed for?
What direction of relative travel is the galaxy in question believed to be moving, or is it believed to be quite linearly stationary but just spinning in place?
More questions but I'll wait for those answers
Anonymous at Sun, 3 Nov 2024 02:22:26 UTC No. 16460440
>>16459515
Excuse me:
>>16459610
Anonymous at Mon, 4 Nov 2024 14:17:53 UTC No. 16462116
>>16455474
Yes
Anonymous at Tue, 5 Nov 2024 13:10:37 UTC No. 16463488
>>16455474
what if galaxies are actually more alive than we know and they are using their energy to hold in their arms like u would urself if u were spinning fast. they dont even have to think they can be like trees just the way they respond to their environment.
Anonymous at Thu, 7 Nov 2024 04:09:47 UTC No. 16465705
>>16463488
thats pretty much whats happening. galaxies out to about a 1 or 2 kiloparsec radius are contracting space and outside of that the rest of the matter is in expanding space
Anonymous at Thu, 7 Nov 2024 04:16:02 UTC No. 16465712
>>16455474
Matter isn't even real.
Anonymous at Fri, 8 Nov 2024 18:24:22 UTC No. 16467397
>>16458100
I think a point a lot of them (the "maybe the models are wrong!" types) are missing is that our knowledge of what kinds of matter and energy exist in the universe, and in what amounts, is itself just a model. And that is a model that has had to be changed in the past, as new technology lets us detect new forms of energy and mass, like neutrinos or xrays.
Anonymous at Sun, 10 Nov 2024 01:00:49 UTC No. 16469042
>>16467397
> like neutrinos or xrays.
those aren't new
this isn't the 1800s
Anonymous at Sun, 10 Nov 2024 02:30:39 UTC No. 16469130
>>16469042
Okay, for a more recent example, the Higgs-boson was theorized as possibly existing in 1964, but physicist were not able to actually detect it until 2012. The point is though is that the model of what forms of matter exist has had to be changed in many times in the past as new discoveries were made; assuming that we have fully figured that out and no more forms of matter could possibly exist strikes me as hubris.
Anonymous at Sun, 10 Nov 2024 02:37:09 UTC No. 16469135
>>16455474
>dark matter dark matter
how about you read some books?
>but its so exhausting for my eyes
how about you realize this is not a 5 minute job to understand fundamental physics?
>but somebody might give me a short rundown to get things settled for me
how about you realize the physics we managed to understood cant be explained in a simple answer?
Anonymous at Sun, 10 Nov 2024 02:41:49 UTC No. 16469137
>>16469130
Why was the theory for higgs needed?
Why did they think mass could not be an inherent quality?
Why they assume in the beggining was the big bang and the big bang was with the big bang and the big bang big banged and saw that it was good, but it was all massless because ______________
Anonymous at Sun, 10 Nov 2024 06:05:47 UTC No. 16469298
>>16455474
"...expensive ways to....." <----- There's your answer ;) It's just a massive Govt. Gibbs program. Welfare for smart people who are too spergy or prideful to work in the real world.
Indeed, the less they "know for sure" the better! That just means (say it with me) "We need a bigger detector!".
They can never admit that their entire "Particle Physics" paradigm has been false or "not quite right". After all, they're the smartest people in the whole wide world and couldn't possibly be wrong....
Anonymous at Sun, 10 Nov 2024 07:17:06 UTC No. 16469361
>>16455474
Dark matter as a particle seems unlikely.
MOND also seems unlikely.
This leaves us in a strange position.
Anonymous at Sun, 10 Nov 2024 08:31:49 UTC No. 16469420
>>16456763
>our current theories would require there to be a kind of matter in some galaxies
Observations suggest a force not fully documened. So the solution is to add invisible matter as a substitute for force so we can arbitrarily dial in the correct amount according to observations?
If we did the same thing in the early days of relativity we'd probably still use Newtonian mechanics with Dark Time sprinkled into the equations as an arbitrary variable.
It's a fucking hackjob of a solution and it could be retroactively applied to fix all of the historically rejected bullshit theories.
"Phlogistons + dark heat"
"Luminiferous aether + dark aether"
"Geocentrism + dark coordinates"
Anonymous at Sun, 10 Nov 2024 10:15:53 UTC No. 16469460
>>16469420
Dark matter de-facto exists until a new model says it doesn't. Scientists don't want dark matter to exist, but they don't have a choice until some savant has an epiphany and comes up with a new model that makes it disappear.
Anonymous at Sun, 10 Nov 2024 15:41:05 UTC No. 16469679
It's that physical laws aren't universal, because space is different elsewhere.
Anonymous at Sun, 10 Nov 2024 19:37:30 UTC No. 16469873
>>16469420
By that logic, Neptune and Neutrinos are both hack jobs as well. Back in the day astronomers noticed that Uranus's orbit didn't make sense; some proposed that gravity worked differently far away from the sun, while others suggested another planet was out there, causing the anomalies. Like wise, beta decay seemed to violate the conservation of momentum; some physicist suggested that the conservation of momentum may not apply here, others suggested that some super hard to detect particle was carrying away the extra momentum. In both cases it took decades of work to find the missing matter. So sometimes missing matter is in fact the answer to unsolved problems in physics. Personally I think it would be silly to assume that we have discovered every possible kind of matter and there is nothing else to look for.
Anonymous at Mon, 11 Nov 2024 00:58:03 UTC No. 16470196
I detect dark matter all the time. Just last week it made off with my bike!
Anonymous at Mon, 11 Nov 2024 13:55:17 UTC No. 16470747
Why was the theory for higgs needed?
Why did they think mass could not be an inherent quality?
Why they assume in the beggining was the big bang and the big bang was with the big bang and the big bang big banged and saw that it was good, but it was all massless because ______________
Anonymous at Mon, 11 Nov 2024 15:40:15 UTC No. 16470862
>>16455474
Alright how about this:
>The gravity field has no reason to be constant and uniform
>the observable deviations of our models are not caused by a low interaction element, but by the uneveness of the field
>all attempts to observe this low interaction matter are then fucking useless, as usual
Anonymous at Mon, 11 Nov 2024 16:56:24 UTC No. 16470987
the alleged accuracy of physics in describing the universe is nothing more than a coincidence
Anonymous at Mon, 11 Nov 2024 18:12:14 UTC No. 16471094
I have a solution:
ROPE, but cosmic
Anonymous at Tue, 12 Nov 2024 19:25:23 UTC No. 16472258
>>16469135
>we managed to understood
you've never studied physics
Anonymous at Tue, 12 Nov 2024 19:51:51 UTC No. 16472288
Anonymous at Tue, 12 Nov 2024 20:13:18 UTC No. 16472323
>>16455474
yes
plasma physics solves ALL of the issues mainstream has. Mainstream people are literal NPC trash
Anonymous at Thu, 14 Nov 2024 11:55:28 UTC No. 16474646
>>16455474
Niggers rope